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| *{{tq| that a reviewer identified an "audible contempt" for men in the songs of Ceechynaa, who entered the UK singles chart earlier this month with "Peggy?}} I fail to see how this does not living person"]]. I'd think contempt for half the populace is a negative thing. Pinging {{u|Launchballer}} and {{u|Jolielover}}. ] 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| * ... that ''']''' refers to how "groupy" a group is? | |||
| ::Not undue; she is literally notable for songs about that. Otherwise, "that the "''']'''" musician ''']''' worked in the sex industry before her music career?" should work instead. Pinging also {{yo|Crisco 1492|Z1720}}.--<span style="background:#FF0;font-family:Rockwell Extra Bold">]]]</span> 00:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Yeah, I wouldn't call that "undue", or even necessarily negative. Same reason I'd expect a bon mot like "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" to be allowed for a blurb for ] or ]. — ] (]) 01:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| This violates ] and ]. It seems to suggest that there's something wrong with the word "groupy" but the '']'' has this as a reasonably regular usage: "" | |||
| :::Seconding this; the hook also specifically refers to songs by her which should not be a violation. ]] 09:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::This is a blatant breach of WP:DYKBLP. Her having a "contempt for men" is not something that sources widely agree on, and is clearly a negative description of her, so is unudue negativity in a DYK Hook. There is no issue with having it in the article, where it sits in context, but not as a standalone one-liner on the main page. Not keen on focusing on her work in the sex industry either for similar reasons. I've amended to mention the review which is more positive sounding "proudly waving the sexual liberation flag". If this is no good then I think a pull might be the only other option. — ] (]) 09:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ]🐉(]) 11:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::For the future, I'd also point out that we've got a ] violation here: we shouldn't use "identified X" for a subjective judgement, but a more subjective phrase like "considered", "believed", "judged", "opined" or so on. "Identified" implies that we are endorsing this judgement. '']'' <sup>]·]</sup> 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *{{tq| ... that nearly 300 construction workers showed up to work at 8 am to continue building reactors 5 and 6, unaware of the Chernobyl disaster?}} The source reads "Despite the disaster unfolding next door at 8am that morning, the 286 construction workers of the day shift clocked on." I can't find any mention as to whether the workers were aware, though it's possible the reference didn't fully load for me. Pinging {{u|Hawkeye7}} and {{u|Bollardant}}. ] 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| * At "more than 3000 years" maybe insert comma in 3000 per all over thousands in blurb? ] (]) 09:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *:{{done}} — ] (]) 10:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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that a reviewer identified an "audible contempt" for men in the songs of Ceechynaa, who entered the UK singles chart earlier this month with "Peggy?
I fail to see how this does not "unduly focus on negative aspects of living person". I'd think contempt for half the populace is a negative thing. Pinging Launchballer and Jolielover. Sincerely, Dilettante 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not undue; she is literally notable for songs about that. Otherwise, "that the "Peggy" musician Ceechynaa worked in the sex industry before her music career?" should work instead. Pinging also @Crisco 1492 and Z1720:.--Launchballer 00:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I wouldn't call that "undue", or even necessarily negative. Same reason I'd expect a bon mot like "a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" to be allowed for a blurb for Irina Dunn or Gloria Steinem. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Seconding this; the hook also specifically refers to songs by her which should not be a violation. jolielover♥talk 09:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is a blatant breach of WP:DYKBLP. Her having a "contempt for men" is not something that sources widely agree on, and is clearly a negative description of her, so is unudue negativity in a DYK Hook. There is no issue with having it in the article, where it sits in context, but not as a standalone one-liner on the main page. Not keen on focusing on her work in the sex industry either for similar reasons. I've amended to mention the review which is more positive sounding "proudly waving the sexual liberation flag". If this is no good then I think a pull might be the only other option. — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- For the future, I'd also point out that we've got a MOS:SAID violation here: we shouldn't use "identified X" for a subjective judgement, but a more subjective phrase like "considered", "believed", "judged", "opined" or so on. "Identified" implies that we are endorsing this judgement. UndercoverClassicist 14:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Not undue; she is literally notable for songs about that. Otherwise, "that the "Peggy" musician Ceechynaa worked in the sex industry before her music career?" should work instead. Pinging also @Crisco 1492 and Z1720:.--Launchballer 00:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
... that nearly 300 construction workers showed up to work at 8 am to continue building reactors 5 and 6, unaware of the Chernobyl disaster?
The source reads "Despite the disaster unfolding next door at 8am that morning, the 286 construction workers of the day shift clocked on." I can't find any mention as to whether the workers were aware, though it's possible the reference didn't fully load for me. Pinging Hawkeye7 and Bollardant. Sincerely, Dilettante 00:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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- At "more than 3000 years" maybe insert comma in 3000 per all over thousands in blurb? JennyOz (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Done — Amakuru (talk) 10:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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