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If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct method if you tried to move a page, but you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:..." or "The/This page could not be moved, for the following reason:..."

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• To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the bottom of the list, filling in pages and reason:

  {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new title|reason=edit summary for the move}}
  

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• If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
• If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

• Thừa Thiên Huế province → Huế (currently a redirect back to Thừa Thiên Huế province) (move · discuss) – The whole province became Hue city yesterday. This is an upgrade of a province to a centrally-governed city of Vietnam, not a merger of this province into the former Huế provincial city. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 08:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Muwatta Imam Malik → Al-Muwatta (currently a redirect back to Muwatta Imam Malik) (move · discuss) – The work has a shorter, just as precise colloquial and more common form that is actually more likely to be recognised as the name of a work, rather than potentially be confused with the name of an individual. I went to move this myself, but was inhibited for some technical reason. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
• Operation Kilshon → Operation Pitchfork (currently a redirect back to Operation Kilshon) (move · discuss) – Move to common name in English, as abundant in sources – https://www.google.com/search?udm=36&q=%22operation+pitchfork%22 – and away from the current wiki-invented bilingual mash-up of a title Iskandar323 (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Contested technical requests

• Mouse-gray flycatcher → Mouse-grey flycatcher (currently a redirect back to Mouse-gray flycatcher) (move · discuss) – to conform to Misplaced Pages standard of using IOC bird names Craigthebirder (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Don't WP:ENGVAR and MOS:RETAIN apply? Minor spelling variations are not really different names. Note that Gray hawk does not use the IOC's spelling. See prior discussions at Talk:Gray hawk. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

• United States amusement park accidents → Amusement park accident (move · discuss) – WP:SINGULAR, article not supposed to cover only accidents in the US and contains lists that include global incidents, Template:Globalize placed to address the potential issue –Tobias (talk) 21:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been at its current title for almost two years which IMO is a bit late to revert a previously undiscussed WP:BOLDMOVE. Unsure a case for globalization should be made here given the article currently only covers US amusement part incidents and Incidents at European amusement parks already exists in a much more advanced state. Note there is a previous version of the article that had much more thorough coverage of US incidents here before it was gutted in 2022; perhaps that could be fixed up.Further discussion would probably help here. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Tobiasi0 your move request has been contested. If you wish to continue, please open a full requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. RachelTensions (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Venkateswara → Venkateshwara (currently a redirect back to Venkateswara) (move · discuss) – Correct spelling as per Hunterian transliteration Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 13:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Tstcikhthys1 Warrants a discussion. "Venkateswara" appears much more common according to ngrams. C F A 02:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Ngrams can't be the only source used; this is a typo that needs to be fixed. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  You can start a requested-move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. C F A 18:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

• Theodore Roosevelt III → Theodore Roosevelt IV (currently a redirect instead to Theodore Roosevelt V) (move · discuss) – To avoid current confusion: President Roosevelt's father was Theodore Roosevelt Sr., and while the same-named son did not commonly use a "Jr." name suffix, his same-named son, grandson, and great-grandson count Theodore Roosevelt Sr. as the first in the name order, not the President. Mrn5768 (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  This is a complicated rationale and definitely would require a full requested move discussion. In addition, there are previous requested moves here and here which make this move ineligible for a bold, undiscussed move per the requirements at WP:RMUM. You can start a full requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. RachelTensions (talk) 03:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Mrn5768 your move request has been contested. If you wish to continue, please open a full requested move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. RachelTensions (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hemipenthes alba → Hemipenthes albus (currently a redirect back to Hemipenthes alba) (move · discuss) – H. albus remains the valid spelling (see http://www.diptera.org/Nomenclator/Details/205521) until and unless it is corrected in a peer-reviewed journal. Nomenclatural changes should not be performed in a Misplaced Pages article. Moreover, from what I can tell, πένθος (pénthos) is neuter, so I do not believe an emendation to the name is warranted. I cannot perform the move because of the redirect Shawnbrescia (talk) 04:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@Shawnbrescia Search shows that current name is also commonly used. Full RM might be needed ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Where are you seeing H. alba used? The only case I can find is BioLib, which changed the page after the Misplaced Pages page for H. alba was created. Also, even if H. alba is used by secondary sources, the rules of scientific nomenclature forbid renaming of species unless it is done in a peer-reviewed journal, which I can find no evidence of. Shawnbrescia (talk) 15:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Better do a full RM ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 05:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bunnypranav: would you be willing to move the page first, then if you are still concerned about sourcing, do an RM from albus back to alba? My strong concerns about potential WP:circular reporting (as implied in Shawnbrescia's reply to you) compel me to ask for this deviation from standard procedure. The sources in the article itself suggest alba is WP:OR: the ICZN source cited says nothing about H. albus itself. My own searches on Google Scholar found the one source cited, Ávalos-Hernández 2009, for albus but absolutely nothing for alba. Thank you, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 08:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your arguments and the nom is fine, but I'm still not that confident about the move. Feel free to move it to the above discussion if you think another PM can take care of it. Or just simply start an RM, that will have comments from many more editors about the confusion in sources. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

In that case, I ask a pagemover please move to albus before opening a RM discussion back to alba if pagemover still has concerns about sourcing. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Dracunculus medinensis → Guinea worm (currently a redirect back to Dracunculus medinensis) (move · discuss) – WP:COMMONNAME. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:51, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Any evidence for this? C F A 02:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Courtesy pinging @Closed Limelike Curves. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Trends – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Trends collects data on search terms, not sources. Ngrams, on the other hand, collates hits in sources and also backs up this COMMONNAME trend. Toadspike 21:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

  Contesting as controversial since a previous RM was unsuccessful. Feel free to start another discussion, Closed Limelike Curves. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

• William H. Natcher Parkway → Natcher Parkway (currently a redirect back to William H. Natcher Parkway) (move · discuss) – The shorthand form of the name was and continues to be the common name for the roadway, even after its official decommissioning, per local news reporting. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 10:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@OrdinaryScarlett Quick search shows that sources are using the long name as well. Full RM might be needed to due no clear common name. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Rana (2012 film) → Rana (film) (currently a redirect instead to Rana) (move · discuss) – Both the 1998 and cancelled film lack articles. Kochadaiiyaan is a prequel to the unreleased film Rana as per the article. DareshMohan (talk) 10:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@DareshMohan There seems to be no primary between the two films. @Wbm1058: recently moved an article away from this title. So this is not uncontroversial, full RM is required ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Phong Điền district, Cần Thơ (currently a redirect to Phong Điền district) → Phong Điền district (move · discuss) – This place name is no longer easily confused. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 14:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Khanh Nguyen There is not primary topic yet per Pageviews, the dab page lists two place with the same name and district suffix. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Phong Điền district, Thừa Thiên Huế has been redirected to Phong Điền (town). Currently, this location no longer carries the district suffix. Khanh Nguyen (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• Matheus Pereira (footballer, born 1996) → Matheus Pereira (move · discuss) – It was previously moved via copy-paste so we reverted it and are requesting this move, there's no need to add the suffix "footballer, born 1996" as the player is greatly more known when compared to others of the same name as he's part of the Brazilian national team and was an important player on the English Premier League. Mastertales (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Mastertales Primary topic grabs are not uncontroversial. Feel free to start a requested-move discussion by clicking the "discuss" link next to your request. C F A 21:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

• WNYT (TV) → WNYT (move · discuss) – Primary topic; WP:SMALLDETAILS; no terrestrial radio station with this call sign; WNYT (internet radio) just got AFDed Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • WNYT → WNYT (disambiguation)

@Mvcg66b3r You yourself just filed the AfD on WNYT (internet radio) three minutes before requesting the move here. I suggest to wait until the AfD is closed before we start moving the pages around. cyberdog958 05:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

• Alternate reality → Alternative reality (currently a redirect back to Alternate reality) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Alternate reality game → Alternative reality game (currently a redirect back to Alternate reality game) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Alternate history → Alternative history (currently a redirect back to Alternate history) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning for the word is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
• Alternate ending → Alternative ending (currently a redirect back to Alternate ending) (move · discuss) – MOS:COMMONALITY. The word "alternate" means "every other", not "something other than the current". The latter meaning is only used in US English, while the former is used in all Englishes. Also, "alternative" means the latter meaning in every English, so "alternative" should be used. Tstcikhthys1 (talk) 11:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Tstcikhthys1 I am contesting all of these "alternate" to "alternative" moves, as they are not uncontroversial and should go through a full move discussion to determine the COMMONNAME of their subjects. Toadspike 13:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

See for instance the third footnote of Alternate history, which reads Brave New Words: The Oxford Dictionary of Science Fiction (Oxford University Press, 2007) notes the preferred usage is "Alternate History", which was coined in 1954; "Alternative History" was first used in 1977, pp. 4–5. This directly contradicts the claim that British sources prefer "alternative". Toadspike 13:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has dealt with this terminology issue in the past. At Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Albums there have been several flips over the years about what to call an extra album cover used in other countries and the like. Sometimes it was "Alternate cover" but it is currently "Alternative cover" (see Template:Infobox album). The earliest such discussion I can find was way back in 2009 at Template talk:Infobox album/Archive 5#Mistake, and note the dictionary definitions like those brought up by the requester here. So no matter how messy they may be, these requests have some precedents. All will be controversial, regardless. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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