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== December 27 ==
| article = 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes
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| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
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| blurb = Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in ] in ].
| recent deaths =
| ongoing = yes
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = ,
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = AsteriodX <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = AsteriodX
| updaters = AsteriodX
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 05:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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== January 3 ==
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==== RD: Olivia Hussey ==== ==== 2025 PDC World Darts Championship ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Olivia Hussey<!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = 2025 PDC World Darts Championship
| image = Luke Littler.png
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb = In darts, ] (pictured) wins the ''']'''.
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = OZOO <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = British-Argentine actress.<!-- Additional comments go here --> | nom cmt = ITNR sporting final.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | sign = ] ] ] 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''<s>Weak support''', found two uncited claims, which I've added CN tags to. Article is fine otherwise.</s> '''Support''': CN issues now resolved. No more outstanding article issues from what I can see. ] (]) 11:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Comment''' I've ] bolded the target article since it was missing bolding per ITN norm. ] (]) 23:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape, cn issues appear to have been solved. ] (]) 18:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *:Article is currently '''not ready''' since some parts <s>is still in future tense (Overview)</s> and has some sourcing issues (Most subheadings under qualifications). ] (]) 23:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


:Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of ]? Would this hinder it being posted? ] (]) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
==== RD: Greg Gumbel ====

==== RD: Britt Allcroft ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Greg Gumbel | article = Britt Allcroft
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = | sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Thriley | nominator = Ollieisanerd <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = TDKR Chicago 101, CAWylie | creator = 66.185.84.206
| creator = | updaters = TheStarSwitcher
| nom cmt = American sportscaster who called N.F.L. and N.C.A.A. games for CBS. | nom cmt = Date death announced.
| sign = ] (]) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (] • ]) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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==== (Closed) Devastating eruption located ====
:'''Support''' First African-American sportscaster to call the Super Bowl. ] (]) 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
{{atop|SNOW closing (volcanic winter snow?), since there is a clear consensus that this will not get posted. If expanded enough, DYK is a good alternative. --''']''' 14:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)}}
::That's not relevant here, only article quality is. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose for now''' due to justified orange tag for lack of citations. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''<s>Not Quite Ready''' A handful of CN tags and there is currently no mention of his death in the body.</s> -] (]) 16:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' -] (]) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Ad Orientem}} & {{ping|Muboshgu}} Article has been fixed up to shape. --] (]) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is now in good shape. --] (]) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== Kamal Adwan hospital burning====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges | article = Zavaritski Caldera
| image = Simushir ISS006-E-24468.jpg
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Israeli troops ''']''', the last one remaining in the northern ], forcing its staff and patients to leave | blurb = The ''']''' ''(pictured)'' which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line --> | recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = | altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = , | sources = ,
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Vice regent <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| nom cmt = I know there's a daily tragedy in the Israel-Hamas war, but this is significant development given that its the last functioning one in northern Gaza Strip and hospitals have been a critical lifeline for Gazans. Further, burning down much of the hospital is fairly unprecedented even in this brutal war. Feel free to suggest alternative blurbs.
| updaters = Wtmitchell
| sign = ''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 20:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as ] and ]. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the ] caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.
| sign = ]🐉(]) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Oppose''' basically covered by ongoing; I don't see how this one specific event is that significant to bring out of that. Just more to add onto the pile of war crime charges that international courts have against Israel here. --] (]) 20:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 22:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


:'''Oppose the blurb''': Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Misplaced Pages have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. {{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Covered by ongoing. --] (]) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:: The meteorological use of ] doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. ] 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Already covered by ongoing, and is just one of many war crimes already done by Israel. By far the biggest one done. ''']''' (]) 13:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::: I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. ]🐉(]) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Sad but not a major event of the war. ] (]) 19:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''': the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. ] (]) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --] (]) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. ] (]) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in ] - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. ] ] 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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====(Ready) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo==== ==== RD: Tariana Turia ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Impeachment of Han Duck-soo | article = Tariana Turia
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = Han Duck-soo
| sources = ,
| image = File:Prime Minister Han Duck-soo meets with Jeju Governor Oh Young-hun 20240516 (01) (cropped).jpg
| updated = yes
| blurb = The ] and ], ] ''(pictured)'' is ''']''' by the ].
| nominator = MtPenguinMonster <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| altblurb = ] and ], ] ''(pictured)'' is ''']''' by the ] and is succeeded by ].
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no | nom cmt = Co-founder of ]
| sign = ] (]) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| ITNR = yes
| sources = , ,
| updated =
| nominator = Haers6120 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = Queen of Hearts
| updaters = Borgenland
| nom cmt = Impeachement of Acting President of South Korea is unprecedented, and deputy prime minister will be both acting President and acting Prime Minister will also unprecedented. I also feel that we may need an ongoing article title like "2024-2025 South Korea Political Crisis"
| sign = ] (]) 06:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Support:''' Reference 32 is a dead raw link, but other than that I don't see any problems (and it's a minor detail that shouldn't stop the article) ] (]) 13:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:UPDATE: Han seems accept National Assembly's decision . ] (]) 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' looks good to me. A giant in NZ politics for sure. ] (]) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Satis. ] (]) 18:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== January 2 ==
* '''Support''' ] ] 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose on quality''' the direct cause ] and the subsequent protests are buried deep in the article rather than in the lede and the article goes at length about procedural matters which is great but it's missing all the other context. Furthermore the martial law and protest articles should really be in the blurb. An event infobox would be nice too. ] (]) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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*:we could nominate a seperate ongoing article if needed. ] (]) 08:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I disagree that your concerns are enough to oppose on quality, but I will try to work on this. Already added an infobox. ] ] 08:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

* '''Support''' --] (]) 08:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' SK's government seems to be gridlocked and this impeachment just seems to be a procedural tactic which passed easily because only a simple majority was required as this was considered a ministerial-level matter. It reminds me of the difficulty in getting a stable Speaker of the US House. It's internal politics and there's more to come before they are out of the woods. Other countries such as France and Germany have similar issues and so we should have a fairly high bar for posting. ]🐉(]) 11:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' significant news from the crisis ] (]) 11:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Change of head of state and effective executive of the nation. And isn't this ITNR? ] (]) 11:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::I don't ''think'' it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. ] (]) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Well the nom is listed as such and I don't think our ITNR rules for heads of state/government (state leaders) have ever been that granular to exclude such changes .
:::Also, I think we need to appreciate the difference between those countries where single state leaders hold effective power (South Korea) versus where where power distribution maybe more shared (France, Germany that have been cited here). ] (]) 15:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - Clearly the first impeachment following the attempt to declare martial law was major. Following that impeachment and resignation, the role of acting president fell to the PM, which was not meant to be a long-term determination. This impeaching is a result of more political infighting, and nothing specifically that Duck-soo did, and far less impactful than the original impeachment. Its basically a game of partisan musical chairs, since now the finance minister becomes next in line as acting president. --] (]) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb''' Notable event. Han is the first acting president is the country's history to be impeached. This is a significant update from the fallout of the martial law crisis. Also, the altblurb is best as it illustrates the change in power so to speak. Article is in good shape too. --] (]) 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - While this is significant, it's part of the continuing crisis. As Andrew notes correctly, France and Germany are also both experiencing unstable government at the moment, and we're not posting blow-by-blow accounts of those to ITN, but only the substantive changes at the top. South Korea's situation, while a bit more volatile, is broadly similar. ] (]) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:*France and Germany are bad analogies in this case, not least because South Korea's case already involves an attempted self-coup and two impeachments. Though I ultimately agree that a third blurb about largely the same crisis might be too much, there may be merit in instead adding this to Ongoing (if it can be maintained). ] (]) 16:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Another successful impeachment? Really? Unprecedented event in the South Korea's history. ] (]) 16:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' This is another major and unprecedented development in a situation that has already proven itself to be blurb-worthy on at least 2 occasions ] (]) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

: '''Support''' For this is unprecedented situation and technically change of head of state. Would oppose another impeachment (which is probable in less than a week) as per Andrew. ] (]) 18:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Nobody saw this coming ] (])
*'''Comment''' This is an extension of the initial coup. The root cause for both, is that for some reason I can't fathom, having a solid majority in the Parliament, doesn't give you any control of the government. Similar to the issues in the USA, but without the ability of the Parliament to pass legislation, or change the speaker. For some reason the party controlling the presidency and PM believe that letting the other party into power is some existential crisis - hence the extremes they'll go to (first illegally, and now legally). This will continue until a presidential election is triggered. I have no doubt the new acting President will be impeached quickly if he doesn't approve the nominations to the constitutional court. Perhaps South Korean Constitutional Crisis or something should be an ongoing? ] (]) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. ] (]) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Weak Support:''' This is just a greater part of the coup attempt by Yoon, but something I didn't see coming. ] (]) 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}} I see consensus to post here. (I am of course far too involved to do it myself.) ] ] 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::I agree that there's consensus. May I suggest that we wait half a day or so? I've just posted the ] and it sits in the bottom slot. If we were to post this item now, it'll nuke the bridge article after only a few minutes. ''']]''' 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Fine with me. ] ] 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== December 26 ==
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==== RD: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier) ====

==== (Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Manmohan Singh ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Manmohan Singh | article = Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)
| recent deaths = yes
| image = Official Portrait of the Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh.jpg
| sources =
| blurb = Former ] ''']''' ''(pictured)'' dies at the age of 92
| updated = yes
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| creator = Rundstef
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| nominator = Grimes2
| ITNR = no
| updaters = Grimes2
| altblurb =
| nom cmt = German luthier in Erfurt. He worked until 90 in his workshop.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
| sources = ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = Sportsnut24 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = TDKR Chicago 101, Fylindfotberserk
| nom cmt = Potential blurb, but he's not sitting, so at least RD.
| sign = ] (]) 16:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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==== RD: Rosita Missoni ====
*'''Support Blurb''' He was one of the most influential individual of the modern Indian history and was the prime minister of India for a decade. The Degrees and posts held section needs some work but otherwise article is in good shape. ]<sup> ]</sup> 17:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Important and influential figure in modern India - he served 2 terms as ] and he was an important figure in ] India's economy ] (]) 17:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose on quality''' Article has some cn tags and there's a refimprove section tag at the end of the article. Once these issues are addressed, I would</s> '''strongly support blurb''' seeing how Singh was a highly influential prime minister of India and a dominant figure in modern Indian politics. --] (]) 17:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*General '''Support blurb''' as this is basically there in quality (I see a few noncritical tags but sourcing is basically there) and with the Public Image section, clearly outlines his status as a major figure on Indian politics. ] (]) 17:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' One of few individuals who significantly shaped world history. As Finance Minister, brought accelerated economic growth to India that continues to this day and has helped raise standard of living for over a billion people and transformed global geopolitics. As Prime Minister, reduced rural poverty, brought India into global nuclear order, averted war in the aftermath of major terrorist attacks, and many other accomplishments. ''']''' (] • ]) 17:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' once outstanding CN tags are fixed. '']'' <sup>]·]</sup> 17:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Issues fixed {{ping|UndercoverClassicist}} ] (]) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Long-serving, influential leader of a major nation. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Unanimous support for blurb. ] (]) 19:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' as per others above. ] (]) 19:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' blurb. ] ] 19:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:] was created. ] (]) 12:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== December 25 ==
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==== RD: Jax Dane ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Jax Dane | article = Rosita Missoni
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = , , | sources = ,
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = The Kip | nominator = Thriley
| updaters = | updaters =
| nom cmt = Italian knitwear designer. With her husband ], she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house ]. Death reported 2 January.
| nom cmt = American professional wrestler. Still needs a few citations, but honestly in pretty good shape compared to most wrestlers' articles.
| sign = ] (]) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
| sign = ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
}} }}
*'''Oppose on quality''' Way too short to be posted to the Main Page. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
====(Posted) RD: Osamu Suzuki (businessman) ====
*'''Oppose:''' Article is still a stub. It also merely says that she died, but not the causes of death or any reactions to it. ] (]) 13:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Unless something has changed here recently, cause of death does not need to be mentioned for people who die of old age. RD does not require that degree of depth. ] (]) 18:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Ján Zachara ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Ján Zachara
| article = Osamu Suzuki (businessman)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = {{cite web |title=Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara |url=https://dennikn.sk/minuta/4386742/?ref=mwat |website=Denník N |language=sk-SK |date=2 January 2025}} {{Cite web |title=Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away |url=https://enrsi.rtvs.sk/articles/news/388238/legendary-boxer-jan-zachara-passed-away |access-date=2025-01-02 |website=rtvs.sk |language=en}}
| sources = https://apnews.com/article/japan-suzuki-motor-india-495bf88bbc55c2e96faa447a5b5806f0 <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes
| nominator = Di (they-them)
| updaters = Borgenland <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (])
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
| sign = Japanese businessman, chairman of ]. --14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Comment''' Current page size is 1427 B (243 words), generally still barely considered a ].—] (]) 18:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose:''' Article is very short, and does not mention the causes of death. ] (]) 14:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*We don't post stubs. ''']]''' 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Ágnes Keleti ====
*'''Support''' Article is in good shape, significant death. ''']''' (]) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape indeed. --] (]) 18:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --] (]) 13:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Paul Abine Ayah ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Paul Abine Ayah | article = Ágnes Keleti
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = <ref>{{cite news |title=Meghalt Keleti Ágnes |url=https://www.blikk.hu/sport/meghalt-keleti-agnes/08q17gr |work=Blikk |date=2 January 2025 |language=hu}}</ref>
| sources =
| updated = yes <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Jmanlucas
| nominator = 94.44.118.57
| updaters = Jkaharper, Dominus Moravian
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Cameroonian lawyer and politician.
| nom cmt = The oldest living Olympian in history <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 02:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| sign = <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:Second and and third citation above from {{user|Spworld2}}'s duplicate . His comment was
==== 2024 Estlink 2 incident ====
:{{tq|Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman}}. ] (]) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
'''Comment''' Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both ] and ] were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. ] (]) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''', she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. ] (]) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:* This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). ]] (]) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Procedural oppose''' as per ]. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. ]] (]) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the ] policy: {{tq|This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.|q=yes}}—] (]) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is in quality to post. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' denying a non-offending article's RD eligibility just because it so happened to be initially nominated by a sockpuppet account is a bad precedent to set. It sends a message that if you really dislike someone and don't want them to be memorialized, the solution is for you to quickly create a sockpuppet account and push out an RD nom, so that the target article is never allowed on the main page. The article is well sourced and ready. ]]] ] 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament ====
{{atop
| result = This won't gain consensus. ''']]''' 19:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2024 Estlink 2 incident | article = Yoav Gallant
| image = File:Estlink map.png | image = Yoav_Galant_1.jpg
| blurb = The submarine power cable ] 2 ''']'''. | blurb = ''']''', member of the ] (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November.
| recent deaths = no | recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb = Finnish police take over oil tanker '']'', suspected of ''']'''.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed --> | altblurb2 =
| sources =
| sources = https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes
| nominator = NotAGenious <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = ArPerfectlyEdits <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | nom cmt = I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet.
| sign = ] (]) 14:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources.
| sign = ] (]) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Oppose''' as it's yet clear the exact cause, whether intentional sabotage or something else. Just having massive reporting doesn't necessarily make it an appropriate WP topic since WP is not a newspaper. ] (]) 16:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Thanks for the information, but resigning from parliament is not ITN-worthy. He was already ITN with the fact, that the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant. ] (]) 14:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I disagree that finding an exact cause should be a requirement for appearing on the main page: the article, which has speculation from reliable sources, is useful by itself. ] (]) 18:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Oppose'''. Resigning after being fired is hardly the news bombshell he might have hoped for, even if he is an international criminal. ] (]) 15:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' since it's not the first cable damaged in the area this past month and I doubt the impact will be anywhere near the ] in 2022. ] (]) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Strong oppose''' first this doesn't meet ]. Also, this nomination was made by an editor with 29 edits, and so violates ] (need to have 500 edits to edit this topic area). ]] (]) 17:30, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. Sorry, but we don’t post speculations.--] (]) 18:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *:I don't understand your last sentence. Why should an ITNC editor have 500 edits? ] (]) 17:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::That's coming from the Arbcom decision on anythibg related to the Israel/Palestine conflict, which includes when these topics appear on ITN.<span id="Masem:1735843709420:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 18:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</span>
*:it's confirmed that an outside force destroyed the cable, just the cause is under investigation ] (]) 22:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}
*'''Support''' there's nothing speculative about an international sabotage incident that is an act of economic terrorism, and given the type of incident it is we may never know the full true story (just like in falsified elections for example), that shouldn't barr a posting though; ] isn't a compelling argument either. ] (]) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--] (]) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::the article does mention it. ] (]) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--] (]) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::: {{quote|the tanker Eagle S, registered to the Cook Islands and part of Russia's shadow fleet...}}
*::::{{quote|The police confirmed that the tanker is suspected of having caused the failure}} ] (]) 14:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', although the blurb needs to be updated. A bigger story here is that Finland has seized a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in cutting the cable. ] (]) 23:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' even on the off-chance it was accidental, still a series incident. ] 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* I've added an alternative blurb and ]. ] (]) 10:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Notified ] and ] for further input here. ] (]) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ] (]) 02:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. ]] 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::It's a major incident with huge coverage and international reactions. ] (]) 19:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: Bill Bergey ==== == January 1 ==
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{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Bill Bergey | article = David Lodge (author)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -> | nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:3531:2BB0:7F04:241F <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = Jkaharper <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = American football player | nom cmt = British author and critic.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (]) 02:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* '''Weak support''', I spotted two CN notes and I feel certain sections could use more references. Article is fine otherwise. ] (]) 15:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair ==== ==== RD: Wayne Osmond====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = M. T. Vasudevan Nair | article = Wayne Osmond
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = , ,
| sources =
| blurb = | updated = yes
| nominator = TheAstorPastor <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated = yes
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -> | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Renowned Malayalam writer | nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (]) 08:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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==== (Closed) 2025 Trump International Hotel explosion ====
* '''Support:''' Added sources. ] (]) 19:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
{{atop|result=Consensus to post will not develop. {{NAC}} <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 08:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)}}
* '''Support'''. Obviously a major figure in literature and film. Did a bit of copyediting. ] (]) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
* '''Suppport''' Significant RD, He was an Indian author, screenplay writer and film director ] (]) 9:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| article = Trump International Hotel Las Vegas Tesla Cybertruck explosion
* '''Not Ready''' Certain sections rely entirely on a single source. ] (]) 16:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| image = Trump International Hotel Las Vegas.png
*:Where? The citing looks fine to me - there are plenty.
| blurb = One person is killed and seven others are injured when a ] ''']''' (pictured) outside of the ] in ], ], United States.
*:This is already several days old and risks losing currency if not posted soon. ] (]) 02:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| altblurb =
*::Asuravithu, Manju and Kaalam are the major offenders, reusing existing citations inline should be enough to fix. ] (]) 14:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| sources =
*:<s>Also '''oppose blurb''' since the blurb A) does not mention the subject B) contains ] wording. C) subject is not as well known to the average person as a world leader.</s> Comment withdrawn per below. ] (]) 14:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
|nominator = Spworld2
::* This is an RD candidate and does not need a blurb, someone added one in error. I have removed it. ] 14:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 09:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The whole of the ''Varanasi'' paragraph was copied verbatim from the source and so I have also removed that; this paragraph is therefore now very short. ] 14:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Strong oppose''' This was deliberated before but it was taken down. Now a few hours on, we have more coverage than ], but it still doesn't appear that important. Also, ], but that appears to be SNOW keep at the moment. ] (]) 05:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 ====
*:@] This is in favor of the ], but the article should maintain its current status.
*:This does not appear to be a normal explosion, there is international media coverage, one person was killed and 7 were injured, and there are reports that this is related to the ] ] (]) 05:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Whether it was intentional or not, a single death is not significant to post as a story, unless it was determined to be an act of terrorism (which doesn't seem to be the case at this point). --] (]) 05:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] Was it determined to be intentional or not? There was one death and more than 7 injuries, and this did not happen near a normal hotel. 2025 New Orleans truck attack still under investigation -
*:FBI is trying to determine if the incident was an act of terrorism, CNN reports ] (]) 05:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Are you suggesting MINIMUMDEATHS > 1? ] (]) 08:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::It ]. —] (]) 08:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - this nomination has already been closed once. This could easily be just an accident or a grandiose suicide. The only reason there may be more coverage than local is because of the (possibly conincidental) timing with the New Orleans attack; which would make it the same story if there is a link. ] (]) 05:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] It seems that the previous nomination was terminated due to lack of quality. This does not seem to be a normal occurrence. ] (]) 05:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:] was withdrawn by the nominator.—] (]) 08:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' . I share the sentiments of one of the original comments. A car fire? Some Tesla cars seem to have this issue. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 09:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:To be fair, mass shootings (and other kind of mass-murders) are objectively more common in the US than car fires. ] (]) 11:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:: In 2021, 650 Americans died in motor vehicle fires and 48,000 by firearms, but most are suicides; only about 480 were in mass shootings. ] ] 05:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as a single item, merge with the New Orleans blurb IF a connection is officially confirmed. ] (]) 10:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' we do not report incidents where only one person died unless if it is the assassination of a notable person.
:] (]) 11:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::Yes, Vice President Elect Musk has "broken silence" to reassure us that Tesla Cybertrucks are perfectly safe. But he is still alive. ] (]) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Vehicles explode (and cause injuries from said explosions) all the time, I don’t see what makes this particular instance so special. I may reconsider if concrete proof of the explosion being intentional comes out, but I doubt it. ] (]) 13:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I also see that this nom was closed already, another reason for opposition ] (]) 13:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::{{small|Note: I'm pretty sure that Tesla Cybertrucks are not concrete-proof.}} ] (]) 14:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' It seems fairly clear that this wasn't a routine vehicle fire as the explosion was set up with fireworks and gas canisters. It seems conceivable that it's connected with the other truck terrorism incident and so we should await further investigation. ]🐉(]) 14:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' @] is right. Some new articles are now calling this a possible act of terrorism. , <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
::The this is likely a '''Suicide'''. I'm horrified that people keep recreating the article and reopening the discussion, when this was pretty obviously a good likelihood at the time this discussion was reopened! Close this abortion now. ] (]) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' This was already previously nominated, discussed, and quickly closed. --] (]) 19:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' I was rejected from nominating it, however now that it was a terrorist attack and one person died, it only makes sense for it to be nominated. Two terrorist attacks in one day, sad. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*:There's no indication, ], that this was a suicide. Why do you think this wasn't a suicide? ] (]) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::@] well I've heard from some news sources that it is a terrorist attack. ] (]) 20:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Do you have any references, ]? I haven't seen any since they declared that they believe it's a suicide. ] (]) 20:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' my alt blurb. ] (]) 20:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Strong oppose (again) that altblurb. These attacks are not related in method or scope (active attack with 10+ deaths vs. a suicide with no additional deaths). Also, while most know where New Orleans is, Paradise in English internationally overwhelmingly is not used to refer to the Nevada location. ] (]) 20:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Sorry, I don't live in the US and I'm not familiar with American cities. ] (]) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Our article ] says it's in Paradise, not Las Vegas. Our blurbs shouldn't be factually wrong. Though why anyone wants to ITN a suicide I don't know. That's highly concerning. ] (]) 21:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Trying to think of it as an '''explosion''' rather than a suicide might alleviate some of that concern. People nominate exploding meteors, exploding pipelines, exploding all kinds of stuff. Humans are often involved, but they're not the basis, like in ''pure'' death cases. ] (]) 21:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The authorities have officially announced that this incident was ''not'' linked to the New Orleans incident. With that in mind, this is not nearly important enough for the main page. ] (]) 20:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*I'm just...appalled with this discussion, between the last nom and this one. I do agree with the consensus that this is a single isolated incident and not really ITN worthy, I really think the civility was lost some time ago with this one. Just a recommendation everyone - let's chill out a bit. ] (]) 20:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It's free forum open to divergent opinions. The only civility lost was due to the tragedies. ] (]) 20:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::When divergent opinions go to reopening closed debatess and glorifying suicide, then that's a step too far. The article is a huge violation of ]. ] (]) 21:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::The original nomination was withdrawn, not closed otherwise. Reporting by major reliable sources has improved since then so reopening this wasn't quite as big of a problem as that, in my opinion. ] (]) 21:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - This is now being reported as an isolated incident. As no-one but the victim/perpetrator died, I don't think it comes anywhere near the usual threshold for ITN, and I'm rather suprised it's still being debated. ] (]) 23:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' -- this really ought to be closed; clearly consensus won't develop to post this. --]] 05:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}

====(Posted) Schengen Area expansion ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 | article = Schengen Area
| blurb = Romania and Bulgaria join the ''']''', the European passport-free zone.
| image = File:Azerbaijan Airlines - Embraer 190AR (ERJ-190-100IGW) 4K-AZ65 Antalya Airport June 18, 2016 (cropped).jpg
| altblurb = ] and ] join the ''']''' and lift land border checks.
| blurb = ''']''' ''(aircraft pictured)'' crashes near ], Kazakhstan with 67 people on board.
| altblurb2 = ] and ] both become full members of the ''']'''.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| altblurb3 = ] and ] both become full members of the ''']''' by removing land border checks, seven months after their initial admission.
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| sources = ,
| ITNR = no
| nominator = UCinternational
| altblurb = ''']''' ''(aircraft pictured)'' crashes near ], Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
| updaters = WikiContributor0830
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources =
| updated = no
| nominator = Tofusaurus <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = A few dozen have been reported dead as a result of the crash.
| sign = ] (]) 09:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Support''', I would argue that any changes to the composition of the ] are inherently relevant as the largest area with free movement in the world, and for years it has been a major topic of discussion here in the European Union that Romania and Bulgaria were the last EU members to not have been admitted (excl. Ireland who have an opt-out) because of a veto from Austria in the Council of the European Union. So it was very significant when the vote finally passed last month in the ].
* '''Support:''' Recent plane crash with a high number of fatalities is definitely notable and certainly deserves attention. (Although, it would be slightly better if the fatality number is confirmed). However, I <u>'''''Oppose''''' </u> the blurb. ] (]|]) 09:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:However, that wording is probably not ideal—''in a legal sense'', Romania and Bulgaria joined the Schengen Area on 31 March 2024 when border controls were lifted for air and sea travel. The news are that land border checks have also just been lifted, granting the countries full participation on the same level as all other 27 member states.
*'''Support original blurb''' until the number of deaths is clarified. A crash of a flag carrier. ]<sup>]</sup> 09:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:So I would propose re-phrasing the blurb to something like ''] and ] become full members of the ], with land border checks lifted on 1 January 2025.''
*'''Wait,''' there's no actual confirmation yet on the number of dead right? Only the number of survivors. ] (]) 09:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - an airliner crashes with significant loss of life. Event is in the news, so eligible here. ] (]) 09:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC) : ] (]) 05:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 39 deaths ] (]) 11:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC) :'''Support''', but agree with BochiBochiGalaxy, so also '''added altblurb 1.''' ] (]) 10:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' (by the way, ] is sadly known due to the increase of ]s) ] (]) 11:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC) :'''Support on notability''' This is a major change in international policy. --] (]) 11:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Support ALT1''' as a major change in policy that is in the news, so meets ]. And target article has enough information about this event to pass ]. ]] (]) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major aviation and international news. ] (]) 12:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' This item is misleading because, currently, many major EU nations are actually operating border controls – Austria, Denmark, Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden, etc. – see . Schengen is effectively in abeyance and the article/blurb do not explain this. ]🐉(]) 14:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Positive news, and any complaints about the article or story being misleading can be addressed in the article itself. ] (]) 16:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - important moment for those countries. Very notable event. - ] (]) 18:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' per Eugen. ] (]) 20:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


:'''Support''' Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ] (]) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC) :'''Oppose''' - 2 nations joining the Schengen isn't that exciting. ] (]) 20:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major development. {{ping|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} ITN articles do not have to be "exciting", they simply must be important. ] (]) 20:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – This article are notable and the plane crash have several deaths. Rest in peace to the people who died in the plane crash. ] '''|''' ] 13:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Recent and significant plane crash that has received extensive media coverage. --] (]) 14:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support altblurb2''' as nominator. ] (]) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Both are major European countries with relatively large populations. I like the original blurb the most, but I'm fine with any of them. This is certainly a development worthy for ITN. --] (]) 22:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''': but '''WAIT'''
:] (]) 16:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC) *:With the edits to the blurbs, I now prefer '''Altblurb 1''' to the others. ] (]) 06:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' alt blurb which includes the death toll. ] (]) 17:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support alt2''' - Significant development in international relations. ] (]) 23:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::NB: Since I made the above post, the blurbs have been edited by another user to be more verbose than they were previously. I liked the conciseness of alt2, which is why I voted for it. The current alt2 is not what I voted for; I would support '''the original blurb''' in preference to it. ] (]) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Support''' . ] (]) 17:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|GenevieveDEon}} I've restored altblurb2 and moved the appended altblurb2 to a new altblurb since it was significantly appended by another editor without my knowledge. ] (]) 02:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*I feel some blurb that indicates the was a very haphazard emergency landing rather than what is normally envisioned when we say a crash, as to indicate this was not as deadly as it was, would be helpful. ] (]) 17:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ALT2. ''']]''' 07:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I don't think 'emergency landing' should be added. The plane crashed nearly 6 kilometers from the runway. So even though it was preparing for an emergency landing, that's not really the reason why it came down at that location. Maybe it could say "near ]" instead of "near Aktau". ] (]) 18:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – ''']]''' 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – Given the latest developments, the blurb should be changed to reflect that the plane was specifically shot down. ] (]) 19:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:It's always good to make a specific suggestion, {{u|Sandvich18}}. What would you like the ALT blurb to say? ''']]''' 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Change blurb''' to ''''']''' is shot down near ], Kazakhstan, killing 38 people.'' or, if there's no consensus yet on the cause, ''38 people die in the ''']''' crash near ], Kazakhstan, amid Azerbaijani claims of Russian involvement in the downing of the plane.'' ] (]) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::When did Misplaced Pages start spreading speculative information? That the aircraft was shot down or that there's Russian involvement in the incident are both hypotheses without sufficient evidence.--] (]) 08:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::To be fair everything involving Russia is always "speculative", it's how Russia operates. ] (]) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::That's not Misplaced Pages's business. We should always stick to facts, not speculations.--] (]) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::Not only Azerbaijani say that ] (]) 21:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::All those sources report that there are indications that the aircraft was shot down by Russia’s defensive system, but that’s still in the zone of speculations with no official statements made by any involved party.--] (]) 01:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' adding that plane was '''shot down'''. ] (]) 21:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support saying shot down'''. The article indicates that the Azerbaijani government believes the aircraft was shot down, and RS are increasingly saying so. (see the article) ] (]) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Yes, it's obvious. But the blurb has to follow the article, where things are still less decided. ] (]) 21:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::The article says in the lead "Azerbaijani investigators believed a Russian Pantsir-S1 air-defense system was responsible for the damage" and the article itself states investigators independent of the nations involved have come to that conclusion as well. Seems to me that's as good as we could get. If we don't want to say "shot down" we could at least add "hit by a missile and crashes". ] (]) 09:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Putin reportedly had a phone call with Aliyev and applogised for shooting down the aircraft, so I support amending the blurb to reflect this.--] (]) 15:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
** My reading of the reporting on that subject is that Putin apologized for the aircraft being shot down, but not conceding ''shooting'' it down, i.e., a ] kind of statement. ] ] 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
***The point is that now we have some sort of a confirmation that it was shot down.--] (]) 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: John B. O'Reilly Jr. ====
== December 24 ==
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{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Dorthy Moxley | article = John B. O'Reilly Jr.
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = | sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes
| nominator = TJMSmith | nominator = History6042
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = Moeqas, Jkaharper,
| nom cmt = American educator and crime victim advocate. | nom cmt = 6th mayor of Dearborn, Michigan.
| sign = ] (]) 22:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] '''(])''' 22:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
}} }}
*In its current form, the article isn't ready. Date and place of birth are unreferenced. There is absolutely nothing about his early life, education, or work history. ''']]''' 19:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Joe Average ==== ==== RD: Chad Morgan ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Joe Average | article = Chad Morgan
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = | sources = https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-02/chad-morgan-australian-country-music-singer-dies/104778248
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| nominator = Ktin | nominator = HiLo48 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Canadian artist and activist. | nom cmt = Australian comedy country music performer known as "The Sheik of Scrubby Creek".
| sign = ] (]) 16:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (]) 22:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}


==== 2025 Cetinje shootings ====
*'''Oppose''' needs better article organisation and appropriate subsections, at the moment it's just a big block of text furthermore with key information missing. ] (]) 21:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
|article = 2025 Cetinje shootings
|blurb = Thirteen people including the perpetrator are killed and four others are injured in ''']''' in ], Montenegro.
|altblurb = Thirteen are killed in ''']''' in ], Montenegro. The shootings are the deadliest in Montenegro since 1944 during Nazi occupation.
|sources =
|nominator = SimpleSubCubicGraph}}
*'''Support on notability, oppose on quality''' Quite similar in scope as the ], also taking place in ]. Removed mention of terrorism in the blurb as it's not in the source beyond the involvement of counter-terrorist government agencies. The second shooting targeted the restaurant owner's family. ] (]) 22:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


:@] Changed it once more to deadliest shooting in Montenegro since 1944. ] (]) 22:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
====(Posted) Parker Solar Probe ====
::That's almost certainly not relevant. "Deadliest since X" isn't needed in a blurb. ] (]) 22:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:::@] Please clarify if I am wrong but doesn't blurb mean short description? ] (]) 22:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Blurbs are almost always a single sentence and typically don't contain context in the blurb. For instance, we wouldn't have the second sentence read "Shootings in Montenegro are rare due to strict gun laws" either - that can be implied from the source or the article. ] (]) 22:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I turned SSCG's changes into an altblurb. ] (]) 22:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on quality. Article is all of eight sentences. Notability is unclear. -] (]) 22:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*:@] how is a terrorist attack that has killed as many people as the New Orleans truck attack not notable? ] (]) 22:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*::The article does not indicate that this is a terrorist incident. If that is established I would likely support on the merits, though article quality does not meet the customary standards for ITN as of this comment. -] (]) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@] its still people dying... ] (]) 22:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::I am not questioning the basic notability of the subject for inclusion in the encyclopedia. But we have a higher bar for blurbs at ITN. All of which said, the immediate problem is article quality. -] (]) 22:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability, oppose on quality'''. This is the worst shooting in the country since World War II, so it definitely warrants inclusion. However, the article is way too short for the main page. ] (]) 22:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Note: I oppose the altblurb, since those facts may not be correct. ] (]) 00:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> - there's no mention in the article about these being the largest shootings since WWII. Perhaps because 11 died in the same location less than 30 months ago - ] (which was ITN). Also there were higher death counts for sprees murdering Albanians during the 1990s Yugoslav wars. This nomination is ]. ] (])
*<s>'''Oppose''' per Nfitz. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 23:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</s> Changed to '''Support''' on notability due to increased death count. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 18:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb on notability, wait on quality'''. This is definitely notable with 10 dead, but the article is a very short stub. I also oppose the alternative blurb per Nfitz. --] (]) 00:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I now fully '''Support the original blurb''' seeing as the article quality has improved and the casualty count has risen. ] (]) 20:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*<s>'''Oppose'''</s> '''Weak Oppose''' - This doesn't seem terrorism related at all, and is rather a crazy person with a gun angry at the world after perceived slights. --]] 00:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC) (Note: with the updated death count, I only weakly oppose posting-- ]] 22:11, 2 January 2025 (UTC))
*:@] he killed as many people as the new orleans truck attack, what makes this not in the news? ] (]) 03:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I supported this for ITN, did you mean to ping Rockstone? ] (]) 03:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@] Yes, I am sorry. @] read above please ] (]) 03:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::@] we typically don't post things that are notable only for the number of deaths without something more. We wouldn't have posted a mass shooting that killed 10 people in the US, for example. -- ]] 03:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::@] so 10 people dying mean nothing to you? What if you were a family member of those people? Wouldnt you want everyone to hear what that person did? You cant be apathetic to these people just because they dont affect you. You need to understand how that not only affected the family and friends of the 10 but the entire city and nation of Montenegro. ] (]) 04:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::::Opposing this doesn't mean I don't condemn the attacks or mourn the lives lost. Please don't set up a strawman. Of course I feel awful for the victims, as anyone would. But ITN isn't a newsticker. -- ]] 16:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::::@], please read ]. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' per Ad Orientem and Nfitz. Beyond deaths, special notability seems shaky. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 03:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, '''oppose''' on quality. '''Wait''' until the article is not a stub to post it. ] (]) 06:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The deadliest shooting since World War II is notable itsslf. Article looks better now.--] (]) 19:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::There is no indication this this is the deadliest shooting since "Workd War II (sic)". And this isn't stated in the article. ] (]) 19:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::The government of Montenegro declared three days of mourning, which is a sign that this is a serious incident on national level. Furthermore, there's no reason why lives of Americans should be valued more than lives of Montenegrins as we already have a similar incident in New Orleans posted on the main page. After careful examination, there's indication that the opposition to this nomination on significance comes from editors who regularly support shootings in the US and complain about anti-American bias when they don’t succeed.--] (]) 20:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Please answer the question. I'm not sure what the USA has to do with this. The nomination is seriously flawed - that's the issue I have. ] (]) 21:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|Nfitz}} You state that something isn’t the case without providing any evidence that proves the contrary. The ] you’re referring to had 11 deaths, which is clearly less than 13 deaths in this one. Moreover, there were no murders of Albanians in Montenegro during the 1990s. Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia whose authorities committed murders in Kosovo. You’re welcome to provide additional evidence if you don’t agree with it. There are reliable sources reporting this as ‘the greatest massacre’ in the history of Montenegro (see as an example), so you need to better elaborate your view that it’s not the case. After all, we typically don’t include such lines in the blurbs we post, so this is a relatively minor issue considering how the story is unfolding (there are three days of mourning, and a country-wide gun ban was proposed).--] (]) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::If you are say that there were no murders of Albanians (contrary to our own Encyclopaedia), I have concerns. My point here is that the article nowhere mentions that this is the deadliest shooting since Work War II, itsslf (sic). Surely, ], looking at the article makes that clear (at least at the time that posted). The deaths are indeed now higher than the other recent shooting in this town; I don't see the relevance to my comment. ] (]) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::{{reply|Nfitz}} I think you should learn some geography and history before participating in such discussions with claims that what you don’t like is flawed (note first that Montenegro and Albania are different countries that haven’t been part of the same political entity over the past 100 years).--] (]) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry, of Albanians. There's no reason to be rude, and for you to violate one of Misplaced Pages's most basic principles, just because I've correctly pointed out that the article didn't mention that it was the biggest shooting since World War II. ] (]) 09:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm not rude, just honest, and I wasn't bothered by your repeated sarcasm ("Workd War II (sic)"). Fair enough. Let's leave some room for others in this discussion.--] (]) 09:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I think the situation in New Orleans is significantly different than the situation in Montenegro. Namely, the one in New Orleans is a terrorist attack, while this is a domestic violence incident that became a spree shooting. Would you support posting a similar shooting that happened in the US? Personally, I would not. Also, please don't cast aspersions, I do not appreciate your insinuations. -- ]] 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|Rockstone35}} Is there a specific Misplaced Pages policy that terrorist attacks should be assigned higher significance in ITN nominations? Innocent people died in both incidents, so the motives shouldn’t matter.--] (]) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::{{reply|Kiril Simeonovski}} there isn't a specific policy that we shouldn't include mass shootings in countries where they're common, and yet that's consistently what happens, so I don't know what your point is. If the motive doesn't matter, then neither should how often it happens or where. -- ]] 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::My point is that you cannot dismiss a shooting if it’s not a terrorist attack as we don’t have such policy. There are other indicators of notability, such as public response and policies. If there are days of mourning and proposals for country-wide gun ban, then it’s clear that this is a serious incident that affects the whole society.--] (]) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::The main reason I opposed posting was because these types of shootings are routinely not posted if they happen in the US, despite the fact that they had the same number of deaths. -- ]] 15:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on Quality'''. Significance seems to be there, but as many of noted, the article is fairly short. ] (]) 21:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - While the article would still benefit from expansion, it's just about sufficient. Despite the fact that Cetinje has had two of them in four years, shootings of this kind are generally very rare in Europe, and this is clearly more than noteworthy. I am not impressed by arguments attempting to differentiate the New Orleans killings from these by applying the politicised label of 'terrorism'; in a murder on this scale, the puported reason for the killings should not generally be a deciding factor in whether to post. ] (]) 23:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - As noted above, the article is short and could benefit from more people writing to expand it, but it is more than enough to understand the event. Regardless of whether Cetinje was unlucky enough to have two modern shootings, these shootings are still extraordinarily rare in Europe. I will also note that I do not understand why so many people have tried to argue on the semantics of the word ''terrorism'' when twelve people have died, and that to most of the world this and the New Orleans terrorist attack have equal relevance – I think there is very clear ] at display in this discussion. ] (]) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It isn't Americentricism, please don't cast aspersions. -- ]] 15:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability; weak support on quality''' per GenevieveDEon and BochiBochiGalaxy. The article could and should be further expanded, but I think it conveys the basics of what happened sufficiently with some recent additions by editors. It is a landmark mass casualty event for a country that has caused a day of national mourning. The ripple effects of the shooting are also spurring a nationwide conversation about banning firearms. The call for gun reform are in turn attracting global news coverage, e.g. from to . Opposing votes have mentioned the attack being motivated by mental health or family issues, but I point out these were also motivations of the Sandy Hook or Aurora shooters in the USA, attacks which had a lasting impact and which we did post without question. A non-terror motive does not negate that it is an impactful event, with casualties, that is leading to global media coverage. ]]] ] 18:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - I'm changing my vote as the death toll has increased and I'm sold on the arguments of how rare such events are in Europe compared to other areas. Support blurb - I'm concerned the alt-blurb about WW2 is neither mentioned in the article, nor necessarily correct. ] (]) 20:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:Do we have a consensus now? ] (]) 20:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Even though I opposed posting... I think we do have consensus. --]] 03:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::@] What is the consesus? ] (]) 03:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::@] that it ought to be posted. --]] 04:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Then we need someone to ping an admin. ] (]) 04:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*::::@] can you please ping an admin ] (]) 05:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::::I'm not sure what the rules are regarding that so I'm not gonna risk it. You should mark this nom as (Ready) though ] (]) 05:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb''' or a variation thereof. I'm not sure the comparison to World War II makes a lot of sense even were it factually accurate - certainly what larger massacres occurred in 1944 were of another nature than this one. This is bad enough on its own. ] (]) 21:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

====(Posted) 2025 New Orleans truck attack ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Parker Solar Probe |article = 2025 New Orleans truck attack |image=700 block of Canal Street New Orleans.jpg
|blurb = 11 people are killed and 36 others are injured in ''']''' in ] ''(street pictured)''.
| image = Parker Solar Probe.jpg
|altblurb = Eleven people are killed and thirty-six others are injured in a ''']''' in ] ''(intersection pictured)''.
| blurb = The ''']''' ''(pictured)'' successfully completes its closest approach to the Sun
|sources =
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
|nominator = Personisinsterest
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
}}
| ITNR = no
*{{Strikethrough|'''Wait''' on quality,}} '''support''' on notability. Going through some international news websites, this is the very top story on most of them and one of the top on all of them. {{Strikethrough|I think a bit more information is needed in the article, but it's a matter of time as new information comes in.}} ] (]) 13:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
*:I, along with other users, have edited the article as more information has surfaced to the point where I believe that the article is of high enough quality. '''Support'''. ] (]) 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
*'''Comment''' We typically do not post shootings in the US due to their frequency, but I will note that the fact that they found improvised explosives in the truck and the suspect was wearing armored gear suggests this is more than a run of the mill shooting, very likely premeditated. Should at least wait until some more info on the motive (if they can figure it out, the driver was killed) --] (]) 14:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
| sources = , , , , ,
*:For what it's worth, this was more a vehicle attack than a shooting. ] (]) 15:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*: The article is called "car attack" (actually now "truck attack"), so it is puzzling why one would ignore that central aspect when assessing the article's notability. ] (]) 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' on quality and '''support without image''' for notability, however, the current image of just the street is, in my opinion, irrelevant. We don't need an image for every blurb. ] (]) 14:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*Use '''Terrorist attack''' instead of 'Car attack' if confirmed. ] (]) 15:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' quality is ok now. ] (]) 15:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' This is the worst terrorist attack on American soil in years. ''']'''<sub>&nbsp;(]•])</sub> 15:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Ping|Personisinsterest}} Would you be able to change the link in your nomination to ]? The article has been renamed since you nominated it. ''']'''<sub>&nbsp;(]•])</sub> 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Got it! ] (]) 18:02, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Its the new year and a terrorist attack happened. ] (]) 17:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Quality is fine given the amount of publicly available information. Notable based on high number of casualties for a vehicle-ramming attack. ] (]) 17:46, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Similar to the ] that was posted at couple weeks earlier. Even more dead though and with an ISIS flag, bombs and guns, this is not run-of-the-mill in any way. Quality is good considering the amount of info available at the moment. --]<sup>]</sup> 17:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – ''']]''' 18:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Closed) 2025 Trump Tower fire ====
{{atop|result=Withdrawn by nom. {{NAC}} <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small> 21:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
|article = 2025 Trump tower explosion |blurb = A cybertruck catches on fire near the Trump Tower with casulaties still unknown. |sources = https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-trump-tower-explosion-horror-34403879]|nominator = SimpleSubCubicGraph}}
*'''Oppose''' and topic ban ] from ITN. A car fire? And the sole source in the nomination is from a somewhat questionable tabloid list as ]. ] (]) 18:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*: Don't ]. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>🔥]]🔥</i></span> <small>]</small>
* '''Strong oppose''' ] - no casualties confirmed or reported yet, damage unclear but doesn't appear much, reporting is coming from inside the tower implying most inside are more or less safe but they're saying that ''the fire wasn't even at the tower.'' The "big story" is literal reporting on '']''. ] (]) 18:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
* '''Wow''' Great to see some serious sources wading in: , , and . ] (]) 18:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

:@] I assumed it was a terrorist attack given that another one happened in New Orleans just a few hours ago. ] (]) 18:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
{{abot}}

== December 31 ==
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==== RD: Buddy MacKay ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Buddy MacKay
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = Davey2116
| updaters =
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| nom cmt = American politician, ] for three weeks (1998–99), dies at age 91.
| updaters = Andi Fugard
| sign = ] (]) 04:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
| nom cmt = We might also mention that it will be travelling at 430,000 miles per hour – a new speed record. But it's stormy as it's a ]...
| sign = ]🐉(]) 08:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}

*<s>Still personally determining on notability, but '''oppose on quality''' - a two-sentence update to the lead is not enough to post.</s> ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 09:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
==== RD: Fraser Stoddart ====
*:The article is already quite large and detailed but I've added an update about the timing of this perihelion to the body. ]🐉(]) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' now - article sufficiently updated and other comments have made good cases as to scientific notability. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as notable a solar space mission as you can get without landing. At least so far. Maybe post on the 27th when Parker is scheduled to send back information. ] (]) 09:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. ]🐉(]) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. ] (]) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::: The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. ]🐉(]) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. ] (]) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. ] (]) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::::FYI, what's wanted mainly here are opinions whether we should post this news on the main page. These should focus mainly on the adequacy of the quality of the article. The blurb wording is open to discussion too and alternatives can be proposed. ]🐉(]) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*This is not an ITNR, it has been in this close orbit of the sun for the last several years, just that this time it will swing closer than any previous time. ] (]) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". ]🐉(]) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::This pass by the sun is at 6.9M km, last year it got to 7.3M km, which on the order of magnitude of space, essentially the same. Its clear it reached its final destination, this unstable orbit between the sun and venus, four years or so ago. This is not ITNR, but note I'm not saying that this can't be considered as a normal ITNC candidate due to attention on being it's closest approach. ] (]) 15:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::This is wrong. It flies by Venus to slow down. If it slowed to zero it'd then fall straight down starting at 1 mph per dozens of seconds ending at ] (if it could survive till the ] I assume no). If it slowed down a little less than that it does this. Also in 2025 they'll point it at the Sun exposing it to tens of thousands percent sunlight killing everything except the shader in seconds. Especially if it can briefly transmit through that (I don't know) that seems like another interesting time (science fiction like ] becoming science fact). ] (]) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Good points. The gravity assists from Venus were used to make its orbit more eccentric and this gives the closer approach to the sun and that's when its speed is greater.
*:::I also wondered what was going to happen to the probe afterwards and so to the article to explain.
*:::]🐉(]) 07:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. Its ''final'' flyby is scheduled for June 19, 2025. That seems to be the most appropriate time to post, not the two incidental records being set tomorrow. (Which records, by the way, will not be broken by Parker's remaining flybys.) ] (]) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until the December 27 confirmation. ] (]) 06:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I '''Support''' now. ] (]) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It was noteworthy enough for BBC top story status, and it'll be interesting to see if it survived on the 27th. For heliophysics this is a major, decades-long effort, and it won't be so close to the surface of the Sun ever again. ] (]) 13:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as the sources said it's an important milestone, and it is now in the news. ] (]) 07:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', an interesting event that's been compared to the Moon landing, and an interesting article as well. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">]</span> (]) 20:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Update''' It's Dec 27 now and the probe's beacon signal has been received, showing that it has successfully completed its closest pass through the solar corona. ]🐉(]) 08:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*How is this ITNR? It's been orbiting the Sun for years. ] (]) 09:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The destination was not to orbit the sun – we're all doing that – but to make this closest approach which was just achieved for the first time. This took it deep inside the solar corona and Alfvén surface so that it could make the observations which were its mission. ]🐉(]) 09:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Again, its destination was this series of tight orbits around the Sun with some Venus flybys, which it reached 6-some years ago and has been doing since. It was inside the corona and broke the Alfven surface as early as 2021 . That this one orbit reached the closest approach to the sun does not make its destination.<span id="Masem:1735305762887:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support''' - Important achievement for humanity and now in the news. Article well-sourced and informative. Opposers fail to convince that this should not be posted now. ] (]) 15:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' definitely in the news now and has been confirmed. Meets ] and ]. ]] (]) 17:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. In the news. Important event. Sufficiently updated article.
:] (]) 18:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in great shape and has been greatly updated. Important scientific news (which is always refreshing to see). --] (]) 18:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
==== RD or Blurb: Dési Bouterse ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Dési Bouterse<!-- Do not wikilink --> | article = Fraser Stoddart<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
|image=Дези Баутерсе.jpg
| sources = , <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
|blurb=Former military ruler and later president of ], ''']''' (pictured) dies at the age 79 while on the run following his conviction
|altblurb=Former ]'s leader and convicted criminal ''']''' (pictured) dies at the age of 79
|altblurb2=Former military ruler and later president of ], ''']''' (pictured) dies at the age of 79
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = Grimes2<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = V8rik
| updaters = Borgenland<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| updaters = Grimes2<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Former ].<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| nom cmt = Nobel Prize laureate in chemistry in the fields ] and ].<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 03:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign = ] (]) 13:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}


==== RD: Jocelyn Wildenstein ====
*'''Oppose''' huge amount of content is unsourced. And reading his role as dictator and later president, and convicted for several crimes, a blurb is suggestive. ] (]) 12:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''', article currently lacks citations for several sections, I also agree with Alsor above to '''blurb'''. ] (]) 19:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' Added Altblurb2. ] (]) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''', I definitely agree with the above regarding a blurb. ] (]) 22:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support when ready''', given that we had Manmohan Singh posted as a blurb I don't see why not, aside from the problem that the others mentioned regarding unsourced content. ] (]) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Zero indication of why he was a major/key figure; notorious due to his convictions, but there's no sourcing or significant discussion to indicate what impact he had on the country or international politics (as there was for Singh). And '''Oppose RD''' due to numerous sourcing tag issues. --] (]) 13:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article needs to be fixed up before it could even be posted to RD. Would '''support blurb''' due to his convictions and crimes committed. --] (]) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' but '''Support blurb''' per TDKR. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 22:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: George Petak ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = George Petak | article = Jocelyn Wildenstein<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -> | nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:58D9:DCBF:4F69:EC26 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = Jkaharper<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Swiss socialite best known for her extensive cosmetic surgery.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| nom cmt = American Republican politician
| sign = ] (]) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (]) 02:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support''' Article is in good shape. ] (]) 20:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: Richard Perry ==== ==== RD: Arnold Rüütel ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Richard Perry | article = Arnold Rüütel
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = | sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TheCorriynial <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = 3rd ] from 2001–2006.
| nom cmt = Article needs help, but it was announced today that Richard Perry had died. He was best known for his work as a producer for artists like Carly Simon (] and "]"), Ringo Starr (] and "]" and "]") and along with owning ], launching ] with "]", "]", "]", "]" and "]". He also had other credits with many other artists.
| sign = ] (]) 02:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (]) 04:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}


:'''Not Ready''' Multiple CN tags --] (]) 08:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
== December 23 ==
*'''Oppose''' Several instances in the article of sourcing issues which need to be fixed. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 14:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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==== RD: Angelo Amato ====
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==== RD: Michael Burkard ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Michael Burkard | article = Angelo Amato
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| sources = ;
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Trauma Novitiate | nominator = History6042
| updaters = Trauma Novitiate | creator = LCahill
| creator = | updaters = History6042, Grimes2
| nom cmt = Italian cardinal who died yesterday.
| nom cmt = Article is Start class, but it is well-cited and sourced and updated. It meets the minimum BLP requirements and is Ready to post on ITN, imo.
| sign = ] '''(])''' 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
| sign = <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
}} }}
*'''Almost there''' One CN tag. But it's an entire list of his publications. -] (]) 04:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*No, the article is still a stub; please note the stub tag. I've changed the rating accordingly. We don't post stubs, hence the bio needs to be expanded. ''']]''' 22:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{Added}} ISBNs ] (]) 04:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' In my opinion, it is now Start Class. I’d be grateful if an Editor would look it over and mark it as Start Class. Thanks. ] (]) 11:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' article now seems cited. ]]] ] 18:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
** I'd be more supportive if there are 300+ words of prose. 200 words is too stubby. When and where was he born and raised? What did he do to earn the awards listed after the prose? --] (]) 03:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
**:Thank you, that’s good feedback! I’ll try to get more prose in there, and then I’ll get back to you for more oversight. Much appreciated. ] (]) 10:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: Sophie Hediger ==== ==== RD: Johnnie Walker ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Sophie Hediger | article = Johnnie Walker (DJ)
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = | sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Abcmaxx | nominator = Ollieisanerd <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = | creator = R. fiend
| creator = | updaters = Cameron Scott
| nom cmt = Article currently a stub, needs major expansion. | nom cmt = English disc jockey.
| sign = ] (]) 15:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = ] (] • ]) 16:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}


* With only 103 words of prose, this wikibio is too stubby for use on ITN. Please expand it. --] (]) 02:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC) :'''Support''' He seems to be quite popular as a DJ, including winning many awards. ] (]) 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{tqq|Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see ] and ]). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets ].}} ] (]) 12:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:'''Note:''' currently 18 {cn} tags. ] (]) 18:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not Ready''' per Martinevans123. Referencing is not up to scratch. -] (]) 04:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Shyam Benegal ==== ==== (Closed) 2024 United States Treasury Hack====
{{atop
{{ITN candidate
| result = Good faith nom. However, consensus to post will not develop. ] (]) 02:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
| article = Shyam Benegal
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters =Pachu Kannan
| creator =
}} }}
{{ITN candidate|recent deaths=no|article=2024 United States Department of the Treasury hack|blurb= The Chinese Communist Party hacks into the United States Treasury, stealing valuable data|altblurb=The ] states that it was ''']''' by a Chinese intelligence agency.|sources=|nominator=SimpleSubCubicGraph|nomcmt=A major scandal within the Treasury that involves a foreign adversary.}}
Indian filmmaker. ] (]) 14:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


* '''Oppose''' First, that blurb is extremely misleading on two angles: Chinese hackers are suspected, but there's not yet any connection to the CCP. Second, the data took was "unclassified documents", which means it is unlikely to be "valuable" data from the Treasure department. As such, this is nowhere close to a major scandle, they just had to report it after reporting it to Congress. At this point, its not a significant incident. --] (]) 01:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support:''' Article is in good shape. Deserves attention. ] (]|]) 18:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is lengthy and well sourced ] (]) 23:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment'''. I have tagged the article with {{cn}} tags. Tagging {{u|Pharaoh of the Wizards}} and {{u|Pachu Kannan}} to see if they can fill some of those {{cn}} tags in preparation for homepage. ] (]) 00:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Done. ] (]) 04:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
* The Awards and nominations section needs more sourcing done. Please add more REFs. --] (]) 02:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


:@] To your first point, yes that is true, a "suspicion" but 99% likely CCP hackers. Secondly, unclassified does not mean publicly available data, there are unclassified documents in the military, but that does not mean you can go around looking at it. Also the extent of the hack is still unreported. ] (]) 01:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
== December 22 ==
::Nonetheless I will still leave it up to garner a community census. ] (]) 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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::Which is why at this point, how significant this is is unknown, particularly compared to the phone network hacks earlier this previous month. As this happened earlier this month and only being reported on now, we should wait until we see if there's a serious diplomatic issue that develops. ] (]) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' Oh no, my data! Seriously though, per above this isn't a major or important development yet. Much larger cyberattacks have happened since, such as ] where actual valuable information was confirmed to be leaked, and that wasn't posted because we couldn't muster enough editors to get that up to quality. Tell me, what was stolen exactly? I'll reconsider if this gets more coverage. I'd give '''weak support''' on quality here. ] (]) 04:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@] you know the Treasury will not leak what was stolen, but it was likely the programs that monitor and communicate with funding. ] (]) 05:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' the blurb, it is laughably breaking many WPian notions. '''Nothing''' to say on posting another blurb. ] ] 08:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Please do not ]. ] (]) 09:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::I didn't mean it in a devious way, but that in the process of forming a blurb, it produced something which is a bit humorous, as well as not fit few Wiki guidelines. I hope {{u|SimpleSubCubicGraph}} didn't get it the wrong way. It is a good faith nom anyway. --{{User:ExclusiveEditor/Signature}} 11:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@ExclusiveEditor I'm sorry, I won't make a new post anymore if thats what you want ] (]) 18:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@] You got me, I meant you to not post anything ever again, stop editing and take a pretty much ] from this wiki world of illusions.{{FBDB}} --{{U|ExclusiveEditor}}] 18:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::@] I can not tell if that is humor or not, and yes I am being serious. ] (]) 22:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Just the latest in ] (], ]) and ]. ] was another one of these along with the ]; this isn't as unique of a story as it would initially seem. If things escalate we can re-consider. ] (]) 09:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. ] (]) 12:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Insignificant ''']''' (]) 16:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. -- ] (]) 23:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' and ] ] for a horrid nomination. ] (]) 23:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per everybody. --] (]) 23:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per further thought. After rethinking about the grand scope of the article, I have changed my opinion on the matter and no longer think it is newsworthy enough to end up on the front page. ] (]) 5:04:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}

== December 30 ==
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==== Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line opens ==== ==== RD: Loretta Di Franco ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = HCMC Metro | article = Loretta Di Franco
| image = | recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| blurb = ]'s ''']''' begins operations
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 =
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Banedon | nominator = Gerda Arendt
| creator = | updaters = Gerda Arendt
| creator = 4meter4
| updaters = Ytrewq098, Jussie2024, George13lol2
| nom cmt = Soprano who performed more than 900 times at the Metropolitan Opera, many small roles and some lead roles. The article was mostly there, but the referencing not quite. The earliest obit is from 30 December, - we don't know (yet) when she died.
| nom cmt =
| sign = ] (]) 08:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC) | sign = --] (]) 20:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
}} }}


==== RD: Jorge Lanata ====
:'''Weak support''' on quality and notability. Article could stand to be a bit more updated but is pretty good where it is now. I really think we ought to post more blurbs that aren't disasters, space missions, and geopolitics, and this is a good alternative. ] (]) 13:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article has some cn tags and some ref issues to address. '''Weak support on notability''' per Departure. --] (]) 13:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| article = Jorge Lanata
*'''Weak support''' on notability. I agree with Departure that this sort of story is a good choice for ITN: it's a significant improvement in the lives of millions of people in a major city we very rarely otherwise report on, in a field (transportation) that's very impactful but often doesn't make our headlines unless there's an accident, and we have a relevant article. Unfortunately, that leads me to '''oppose on quality''' for the time being, because the article is a bit of a mess, as TDKR Chicago 101 observes. ] (]) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
*'''Oppose''' Seems rather a routine metro system outside of being the city's first. In addition to the quality issues that have bveen addressed. --] (]) 14:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| sources =
*'''Oppose''' Metro lines begin operation in many other cities all the time, so this is pretty much a routine event. There’s an exception if this is an innovation that makes it first of its kind, but there’s no indication that this is it.--] (]) 15:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| updated = yes
*'''Oppose''' so many countries have metro lines, this doesn't meet ] therefore. ]] (]) 17:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| nominator = Cambalachero <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*Whether significant or not, the quality is just not there, hence it's a no-go. ''']]''' 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| updaters = Cambalachero

| nom cmt = Journalist from Argentina. It too me a pair of days to post this, as the article was mostly unreferenced and had to basically use ]. I hope that it is ready for RD status.
==== 2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash ====
| sign = ] (]) 02:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
{{atop
| result = Consensus won't be reached for private plane crashes. ''']]''' 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
}} }}

==== RD: Michael Newberry ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash | article = Michael Newberry (footballer)
| recent deaths = yes
| image = 2024_Gramado_Piper_PA-42_crash.jpg
| sources = ,
| blurb = ''']''' in Brazil's ] kills 10 people and injures 17 others.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Chronus <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = The C of E <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = The C of E
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| nom cmt = English-born Northern Irish footballer
| updaters =
| sign = <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 10:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt =
| sign = ] (]) 09:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support''' Quality looks good to me. ] (]) 18:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


==== RD: Jamshid bin Abdullah ====
*This should be under December 22 (see nomination steps above) ] (]) 12:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
*:{{ping|Yo.dazo}}<span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| article = Jamshid bin Abdullah of Zanzibar
*:@]: fiz uma proposta que ''linka'' todos os três acidentes em uma só frase. Só rolar pra baixo. ] (]) 13:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
*::@] that doesn’t change the fact that this entry is on the wrong date. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 16:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| sources =
*:::{{ping|The Kip}} <span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
*'''Comment''': blurb should be changed to either "10 people and injures 17 others" or "ten people and injures seventeen others" to keep the numbering consistent. ] • ] • ] 17:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| nominator = Mr. Lechkar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*:{{ping|Kline}}<span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
*'''Oppose''' We have generally not posted private aviation disasters in the past, as unlike commercial aviation, there is typically not going to be a long-term investigation into the causes of the accident due to lack of regulation on private pilots. I know that several of the deaths were from those on the ground in addition to those in the plane, but this seems like more an unfortunate aspect, and not getting anywhere close to the coverage that I'd expect to see for a significant aviation disaster. --] (]) 14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| nom cmt = Last ], claimant to the defunct throne since the monarchy was overthrown in 1964.
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| sign = ] (]) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
:'''Support''' Article looks good, though it's also pretty short. ] (]) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*There's nothing on his early life and I conclude that it’s not fit for posting in its current state. ''']]''' 16:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


:'''Oppose''' He is insignificant. Although he may be the heir, that is about the peak of his fame. Zanzibar is apart of Tanzania now and even then was a state that nobody cared about, both strategically and relevance. This would not be good for In the news but rather Did you know and even then, its very hard if that should appear on that page. ] (]) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
==== (Posted) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse ====
::FYI, for RD we normally only oppose due to the quality of the article. If it has an article, the subject is notable enough to appear in RD. ] (]) 01:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per Schwede66. Article needs a lot more info such as about early life, which could be expanded a bit. Plus, there's some cn tags. --] (]) 01:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

====RD: Linda Lavin====
{{ITN candidate|recent deaths=yes|article=Linda Lavin|sources=|nominator=QalasQalas|nom cmt=great loss actress and she deserves|sign= --] 23:38, 2024 December 30 (UTC)}}
*'''Comment''': Article looks fine except the whole filmography is unsourced. ] (]) 01:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
* ] has remained largely unsourced. Please add more REFs. --] (]) 01:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

==== Ethiopian Truck Crash ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
|article = 2024 Sidama truck crash |image=Ethiopiantruckcrash.webp|blurb = ] ] crash kills 71 people.|altblurb = 71 people die in an ] ] crash|71 People dead after an ] Truck Crash|
| article = Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse <!-- Do not wikilink -->
altblurb2= ] over the ] in ], ], Ethiopia, killing 71 people and injuring 4 others.|sources = |nominator = Alexgmail2000}}
| image = Coletiva ministro4.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
*'''Oppose''' Article is a stub. --] (]) 12:14, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
| blurb = At least eleven people die and 6 others are missing after a ''']''' (pictured) between the states of ] and ] in Brazil.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
:*It is no longer a stub, I believe. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
:*:I still believe it is a stub / article needs expansion. ] (]) 16:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:*::Someone with local sources to help us? ] (]) 17:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is decent and significant as the ]. The year 2024 is ending very badly. ] (]) 12:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*Is "disaster" the right word for the article name? the sources seem to leave it as "accident" even with a toll that high? --] (]) 13:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Like ] and ]. ] (]) 13:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The move from truck crash to this new title was not discussed and should be reverted. "] because this characterization is too subjective. It is preferable to use specific event names, such as collision, collapse, explosion, outbreak, pandemic, sinking, oil spill, and the like."
*:Also '''Oppose''' on quality and sourcing.
*:] (]) 16:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::I moved the article. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 16:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The article significant because of many sources reported it numerous times. ] (]) 15:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notabilty, '''Wait''' on quality, hopefully the article will improve eventually. ] ] 17:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' What is it with disasters this week? ''']''' (]) 17:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@] what is with the entire year, so many incidents happening. its crazy, espically the latter half ] (]) 18:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Oh and '''Support''' ] (]) 18:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' on article quality ] ] (]) 20:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' for article quality then '''support altblurb2 without picture''' as the current image is too low quality. ] (]) 22:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' ] ] (]) 22:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:"Truck" plunge. ] (]) 00:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:This is actually a very good point about how news media, now with 24/7 operations, needs news to cover, and why as an encyclopedia we should be wary of giving attention to every single accident that gets reported.<span id="Masem:1735607177358:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 01:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Wait''' until article quality improves, then '''Support Altblurb 2''' due to the high number of casualties. ''P.S. is going into edit source the correct way to reply to an ITN nom? This is my first time and I couldn't find info about it.'' --] (]) 00:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support on notability''' once the article is no longer a stub. high number of casualties, significant coverage. ]]] ] 01:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*Article is a stub and we don’t post those. ''']]''' 16:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Little encyclopedic value to our readers. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I'm trying to do something but no updates yet. ] (]) 00:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''support''' just posted N'orleans with a dozen dead. Only logical.] (]) 21:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::We can make an exception here. It's so tragical. ] (]) 02:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support in principle''' - This is a truly unusually high number of fatalities for a road accident. I'm not at all sympathetic to the terse deployment of 'bus plunge' as a 'reason' to oppose this nomination. It's an overused cliche used to dismiss genuinely significant stories from less-reported countries, simply because they feature a particular class of road accident. ] (]) 23:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Schwede66}} we have a consensus here. ] (]) 23:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Nah, at 1106 B (172 words) "readable prose size", that is most certainly still a stub. And we don't post stubs. ''']]''' 04:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::So, we have a consensus with a stub. Can anyone help us to expand it? ] (]) 12:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' but '''support on notability''' Horrifying accident, but the article's still a stub. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 02:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

== December 29 ==
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==== (REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Dada Masilo ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Dada Masilo
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Gerda Arendt
| updaters = Gerda Arendt
| nom cmt = Internationally acclaimed South African dancer and choreographer, who transformed classical ballets into stories about today's characters, in a fusion with contemporary dance and African dancing. The article was stubbish, with lost references. There's still room for more detail, but I'm looking at the next two already.
| sign = --] (]) 09:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
}}

==== 2024 Estlink 2 incident ====
Note that I've moved the item to 29 Dec, the date of the ship's transfer to ] (see ALT2), as otherwise, this would be stale by now. ''']]''' 18:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:Striking the stale original (25 Dec) blurb.—] (]) 10:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
| article = 2024 Estlink 2 incident
| image = File:Crude oil tanker Eagle S at Porvoo 2024-12-31 a.jpg
| blurb = <s>The submarine power cable ] 2 ''']'''.</s>
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR --> | ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = Finnish police take over oil tanker '']'', suspected of ''']'''.
| altblurb = <s>In two consecutive days, ], ] and ] occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 62 deaths.</s> <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = ], suspected of ''']''', is transferred to ] for investigation.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure --> | updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this --> | nominator = NotAGenious <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant --> | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources.
| nom cmt = Deadly structural collapses like ] and this one needs more attention on ITN. Events coverage on en-wiki is so American-European-]-biased. Let's change it! <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this --> | sign = ] (]) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Oppose''' low death toll and seemingly local/very limited impact. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' as it's yet clear the exact cause, whether intentional sabotage or something else. Just having massive reporting doesn't necessarily make it an appropriate WP topic since WP is not a newspaper. ] (]) 16:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I disagree that finding an exact cause should be a requirement for appearing on the main page: the article, which has speculation from reliable sources, is useful by itself. ] (]) 18:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There is no article for the bridge itself, yet there are detailed articles in Portuguese and German. I could not find articles in other languages about the collapse. I wonder whether the scope of this article should be broadened to include the bridge itself to align it with the two articles that exist in other languages. Such a change in scope would not prevent the article from consideration at ITN. ''']]''' 23:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Gee, it seems we've had a lot of transport-related disasters in Brazil the past few days. Would it be best to merge them all into a single blurb? ] (]) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' since it's not the first cable damaged in the area this past month and I doubt the impact will be anywhere near the ] in 2022. ] (]) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. Sorry, but we don’t post speculations.--] (]) 18:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, like: "In two consecutive days, a ], a ] and a ] occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died." ] (]) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::No, they’re completely unrelated so we wouldn’t have a combination blurb. ]] 03:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *:it's confirmed that an outside force destroyed the cable, just the cause is under investigation ] (]) 22:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure last year we had two unrelated tornado outbreaks in the United States get a combined blurb. I don't see how this is much different - multiple major events involving transit and traffic causing a similar amount of fatalities all occurring in the same country, each with merits to their own blurb. ] (]) 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' there's nothing speculative about an international sabotage incident that is an act of economic terrorism, and given the type of incident it is we may never know the full true story (just like in falsified elections for example), that shouldn't barr a posting though; ] isn't a compelling argument either. ] (]) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--] (]) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::It's reasonable to combine two separate tornado outbreaks that occurred with a few days if each other as long as the blurb does not imply they were the same weather system. But combining several completely unrelated disasters simply due to bear term and location is not appropriate<span id="Masem:1735243360677:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 20:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Comment''' In the original blurb "are died" ⇒ "are killed" or "die". ]] 14:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *::the article does mention it. ] (]) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{done}}. ] (]) 18:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *:::Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--] (]) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::: {{quote|the tanker Eagle S, registered to the Cook Islands and part of Russia's shadow fleet...}}
*::Update: . ] (]) 18:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::@]: consegue atualizar o artigo em português? Meus dedos estão com tendinite já! Kkkkk ] (]) 19:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *::::{{quote|The police confirmed that the tanker is suspected of having caused the failure}} ] (]) 14:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', although the blurb needs to be updated. A bigger story here is that Finland has seized a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in cutting the cable. ] (]) 23:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::@] <span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 20:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. A major bridge collapsed, killing 17 people. It's serious and relevant enough. ] (]) 20:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' even on the off-chance it was accidental, still a series incident. ] 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* I've added an alternative blurb and ]. ] (]) 10:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@]: . ] (]) 16:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@] It's clear that the disappeared are also dead. That's what I meant. ] (]) 18:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC) *:Notified ] and ] for further input here. ] (]) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurbs''' Supporting altblurb. Quite unique (although tragic) that in two consecutive days Brazil has experienced heavy losses in transportation-related deaths. --] (]) 18:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' ] (]) 02:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. ]] 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 3 major accidents, killing a large amount of people. ''']''' (]) 19:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Ten bodies were found by today. ] (]) 02:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *::It's a major incident with huge coverage and international reactions. ] (]) 19:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support original only''' as meets ] and ]. Strongly oppose the merging of two blurbs into one, as these are 2 different, separate, non related events, just because they were in same country, that doesn't mean we should arbitrarily combine the blurbs. ]] (]) 12:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' - Unusual international incident that our well-sourced article is being updated on. No tags, though the redlinks are arguably distracting. NATO response is highly notable. Given increasing tensions in the Baltic and the continuing news coverage, this altblurb is a good fit for ITN. ] (]) 16:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

*:The road one is already posted, so this one would overlay it. ] (]) 17:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::There has never been a consensus to actually do this "overlay" or put 2 events in one blurb. It's a stupid idea. ]] (]) 17:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC) :'''Support''' - There was a covering of the Baltic Sea Disruptions in current events a few weeks ago. This is also notable due to rising geopolitical tensions. ] (]) 19:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Right! Two significant events that needs to be posted separately. ] (]) 17:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' Important enough in the context of the present cold war between East and West. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|Schwede66}} I think it's '''ready''' now. ] (]) 19:07, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *Is this stale? The earliest item on ITN is from December 26. ] (]) 07:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:If we're going with the alternative blurb, it's actually the 26th. If we want a blurb telling about the transfer to Porvoo for investigation, it was yesterday, the 29th. ] (]) 12:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – ''']]''' 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::The admins didn't check the consensus in time. A pity. ] (]) 02:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:I've added a second alt blurb (transfer to Porvoo) and request further comments.<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)</small>
*::Updated image. ] (]) 18:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' {{re|Abcmaxx|Dmartin969|ArionStar|SimpleSubCubicGraph|Tradedia}} The original blurb is now stale. Please confirm which, if any, of the alt blurbs is suitable.—] (]) 10:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:It is not suitable… a pity. :( ] (]) 20:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::either altblurb is fine ] (]) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' whether stale or not. Article fails to demonstrate the impacts of the cable damage beyond what generally appear to be mild monetary concerns, without knowing how per-person energy prices will exactly be impacted by this. ] (]) 20:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:what about the reactions on a political basis? ] (]) 21:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' the newest alt-blurb. This is a widely reported story about a specific prominent incident relating to a signficant wider crisis. It's not covered by ongoing, and I think the strongly suspected involvement of the Russian government is very relevant. ] (]) 23:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment re: stale''' The orig blub was already stale by 29 Dec, when the oldest blurb was ]'s death on the 26th.—] (]) 07:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The power failure is stale news. Blurbs should generally avoid speculation of what is suspected, leaving the nuanced NPOV details for the article. Stick to blurbing more tangible events like formal charges, sanctions, retaliation, etc.—] (]) 08:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' as per GenevieveDEon. The story now is not the power failure, but Finland's actions against the Russian shadow fleet. The way this nomination has evolved is very confusing, however. It would have been better to close the original nomination, and start a new one with the capture of the tanker by the Finns. ] (]) 21:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


====2024 Chadian parliamentary election====
====(Posted) RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
|article = 2024 Chadian parliamentary election
| article = Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri
|image= File:Flag of Chad.svg
| recent deaths = yes
|blurb = Chad holds its ] that have been delayed several times since 2011.
| sources = , ,
|altblurb =
| updated = yes
|altblurb2 =
| nominator = Khaatir
|altblurb3 =
| creator = Khaatir
|recent deaths = no
|sources =
|nominator = History6042
}} }}
An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at ]. ] (]) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Wait''' until official results are in. ] (]) 01:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Reluctant oppose''' No results posted yet and otherwise, quality just isn't there. This nom is likely to roll off or become stale before either of those issues are addressed. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 19:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks well cited and comprehensive enough to post. However, the article would be much improved if his theological / academic views and theories were included. ] (]) 07:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' G2G. Article in good quality. --] (]) 18:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. AGF on non-English REFs. --] (]) 02:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


====(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb Jimmy Carter====
== December 21 ==
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==== RD: Jack Bond ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Jack Bond (director) |article = Jimmy Carter
|image=File:JimmyCarterPortrait2.jpg
| recent deaths = yes
|blurb = Former American president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate ''']''' dies at the age of 100
| sources =
|altblurb = Former United States president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate ''']''' dies at the age of 100.
| updated = yes
|altblurb2 = Former president of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize laureate ''']''' dies at the age of 100.
| nominator = 31.44.227.152
|altblurb3 = ] and former U.S. President ''']''', behind the ], dies at 100.
| updaters = ClaireFiona, Mohamad Darilin, Erksahin
|recent deaths = yes
| nom cmt = British film producer and director.
|sources =
| sign = ] (]) 20:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
|nominator = Nableezy
}} }}
*Not ready, as the section "Selected works" is mostly unreferenced. ''']]''' 20:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


* ''' Definite Support''' No questions about it, as a former president and humanitarian that recently passed away. He a left lasting legacy and impact on the world. -- ] (])
==== (Posted) Minas Gerais road crash ====
* '''Support blurb''' - obviously. No quality concerns as its a GA. --] (]) ] 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' The death of a former US President is notable, and the story is being reported by basically every source. ] (]) 21:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Strong support blurb''' - A bit more of an update is needed, and a few floating "is" etc are still about, but obviously this should be a blurb. ] (]) 21:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:These seem to have been fixed. ] 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::'''Strong support -''' Death of a former president. ] (]) 21:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
: '''Strong support blurb''' Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. - ] (]) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
: '''Strong support blurb''' Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. – <span style="font-family: Georgia;">''''']'''''</span> (] • ]), 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Strong Support blurb''' - I've been vocal about the US-bias of many nominations here. But this is a no-brainer. ] (]) 21:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Strong support blurb''' This should be an uncontroversial one. No quality concerns. May he rest in peace. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 21:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support blurb''' no brainer, article is in good shape ''''']''''' (]) 21:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''', Normally against US-bias but I think this is a fairly straightforward yes to a blurb here. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 21:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support blurb with picture''' - extraordinarily influential figure, especially given his prolonged and impactful post-presidential career. ] <small>(] &#124; ])</small> 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support blurb''' Article is updated and a GA. ] 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted blurb''' ] ] 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Is it a caching error? I don't see it. -- ]] 21:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*::It should be there now. I couldn't see it earlier either. ] (] &#124; ]) 21:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' per above. ] (]) 21:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support blurb/picture blurb''' GA article of a significant U.S. president. ] (]) 21:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Added altblurb2''' -- {{tooltip|AFAICT|as far as I can tell}} we usually say "president of X" not "X president", e.g. right now with Manmohan Singh. ] (]) 21:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Thanks for the correction! ] (]) 21:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' I think it's pretty evident; rest well. ] (] 21:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support blurb with picture''', but suggest the following expansion to honor what he described as his most important legacy:{{tqb|''] laureate and former U.S. President ''']''', behind the ], dies at 100.''}} ] (]) 21:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Weak oppose''' only the part mentioning dracunculiasis, since it's only briefly mentioned once in the target article. '''Support''' everything else. ] (] &#124; ]) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*::I'm adding more; it's probably his most important work in terms of overall impact, but nobody's heard of it. Carter, along with ], is probably one of two human beings who can claim credit for eradicating a major disease. ] (]) 21:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*::(BTW this isn't me saying this, it's Carter—seeing them dead was .) ] (]) 01:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*Post-posting - ], would you be willing to also add "Nobel laureate" to the blurb, as suggested by the blurbs listed? ] (] &#124; ]) 21:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I don't think him being a Nobel laureate is significant enough (relative to him being president) to include in the blurb, but happy to add it/have it added if consensus here/one of the ITN admins think it should be there. ] ] 22:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*::That was the blurb supported by everybody? ''']''' - 22:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' (but its been posted so too late for this) - the article does not provide a reason why he was a great or major figure - even though I know this should be the case. The Legacy section addresses his mediocere presidency but does not touch on his post-presidency efforts which is where this factor is coming from. I know this can be made, either from existing sources or from the obits coming out, but this should really be in place, a crystal clear section for reader to review of why a person was posted as a blurb on death, rather than all the hand-waving that is going on. Also, we should not be assuming that every former world leader should be blurbed. ] (]) 21:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Your wishes are demanding. '''Support''' addition of Nobel Prize laureate, only presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Barack Obama, Al Gore (Vice) are recipients. ] (]) 22:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The final paragraph of the lede & the lengthy ] do a fine enough job articulating his post-presidency efforts that opposing posting altogether is a bit much. That said, there is a lot of information in ] which could be used to further expand the section on his main biographical page. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 22:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*::The statement in the lede "but his post-presidency period (the longest in U.S. history) has received near-universal praise, including a Nobel Peace Prize in 2002." is not directly supported by sources in the bio article, though I'm sure the post-presidency article has that. This is a quality issue that should have been addressed before posting; I'm not doubting this, but absence of this type of information with sources on the main bio page ''is'' a problem even if that seems apparently obvious. ] (]) 04:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' RIP. ] (]) 22:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' for it being posted. Storied career, amazing, that he had such long marriage. ] (]) 22:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''', at least he made it to 100. ] (]) 23:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*Can Nobel laureate be added to the blurb as the nomination that all the support votes at the time of posting were referencing? Carters post-presidency is widely regarded as a defining trait of his life. ''']''' - 03:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support addition of Nobel laureate''', as this is prominently noted, often in the headlines, for major media sources covering this death. ] ] 03:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''': Rest in peace to an incredible man, while not the most spectacular during his presidency, he definitely shaped a shining legacy after leaving office. Carter will continue to live on as one of the most memorable presidents the United States has ever had. ] (]) 03:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' Article is in good shape, has been updated to the bone and Carter is an example of what warrants a death blurb. Remarkable legacy, treated harshly by history. Rest well, to a great humanitarian and humble being. '''Support adding Nobel to blurb''' I mean, he's also a nobel winner and most obits are including his laureate status to their headlines as well. --] (]) 08:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Added Nobel laureate'''. ] ] 08:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Queen of Hearts}} please could you revert this. You were correct in your comment above. There is a standard format for death blurbs, particularly of former leaders, and we don't usually "editorialise" in ITN blurbs. Him being the preskdent is the reason he's blurbed rather than his Nobel prize, and it should simply state that, in the same way as the former Indian PM further down. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 08:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::That isn’t editorializing and since when did we substitute an admins judgment over consensus for a blurb? ''']''' - 09:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::It's totally editorializing. Inserting fluff about Carter winning a Nobel prize that isn't really relevant to the story of his death. To maintain NPOV and avoid bias at ITN, we stick to a standard blurb format for all politician deaths rather than going with bespoke wording for individuals that people happen to like, based on whatever random ] forms. Henry Kissinger also won a Nobel prize, but our made no mention of that, so why the difference here? Admins are precisely supposed to use their judgment in these matters, as indeed charlotte did above, that's always been part of the remit. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 10:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::I have to agree with Amakuru, no need to add extra honours when its the office that he held that the vast majority of the world know him for. We didn't list Singh with his Indian of the Year or his Adam Smith awards so why do we need to further decorate Carter when President is prestigious enough. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> ''']''' (])</span> 11:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::Removed the Nobel. ]] 12:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::To be fair, the Adam Smith Prize or the Indian of the Year honor is not even close to the Nobel Prize. When ] died, we into the blurb. Same with . ] (]) 12:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::That isn’t fluff, and there isn’t any overriding consensus that you can point to to claim that this is a local one that can be ignored. This is one of his main legacies, his work for habitat for humanity and the Carter center are absolutely as notable as his presidency. It is not fluff, it is not editorializing, and that part of the main page is not the fiefdom of a few admins here. This should be restored and this discussions consensus respected. ''']''' - 12:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::Even if {{tq|his work for habitat for humanity and the Carter center are absolutely as notable as his presidency}}, a questionable premise, he would be notable for that and not for being a Nobel prize laureate. Look at the first sentence of his article as it's always been: Only mentions president (and later humanitarian), no mention of Nobel laureate. The article itself indicates that being a laureate wasn't notable at all in comparison to what he's actually primarily known for, which is a president of the United States. Therefore (imo), saying that he's a Nobel prize laureate in ITN would indeed fall under UNDUE editorializing fluff. ] (]) 02:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::::{{tq|1=Only mentions president (and later humanitarian)}}<br>So... it mentions the work that earned him the Nobel Prize. ] (]) 02:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::He's notable for his work as a president and a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate or the receiver or any other prizes (or otherwise) that resulted from his work as a president and a humanitarian. If you want to push for adding in the blurb that he was a humanitarian, be my guest. ] (]) 02:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::::] ''']''' - 03:49, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::My point is that if the article indicates that Carter's notable for first being a president, and second being a humanitarian, ITN should reflect that and not go off on its own bizarre mini RFCs to establish local consensus about Carter's notability outside of the article's talk page. If you want to establish that Carter was as notable for being a Nobel lauereate as he was for being the president of the United States or a humanitarian, then first get that changed in the first sentence of the article and then come back here and have the blurb reflect this change. ] (]) 04:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Every death blurb (for death by old age or other natural causes) leaves it as the principle profession that the person had, and avoids editorization. Definitely should not be adding "Nobel winner" here.<span id="Masem:1735564162709:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 13:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*:::And just to add, keeping the death blurb to just the profession prevents further bickering around the whole death blurb nomination aspect already. The inclusion of profession and profession only is a nice neutral way to present the blurb without trying to fight consensus on what other apsects to include. If the article is of good quality, other key factors (like Carter's humanitarism) should be identified within the lede.<span id="Masem:1735565861467:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 13:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*:::That isn’t true as demonstrated by the examples cited already. Whatever, this place doesn’t exactly abide by our rules anyway, what’s one more example? ''']''' - 13:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::: For the record, media reporting on the death widely reference the Nobel Prize in what would be the equivalent of our blurb. See:
*:::* ''Reuters'': ""
*:::* ''ABC News'' leads with "";
*:::* ''The Washington Post'' leads with "";
*:::* ''BBC News'' reports, "";
*:::* ''The Guardian'' reports that "";
*:::* The Associated Press blurb on the subject says "".
*::: This is not fluff, this is the key fact. ] ] 17:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post posting support blurb''' No brainer support for death of former head of state/government. News across the world, article is in fantastic shape. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 13:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' inclusion of '''Nobel Prize''' and agree with other supporters above, his article quotes {{xt|Polls of historians and political scientists generally rank Carter as a below-average president. Scholars and the public more favorably view his post-presidency}}, and winning a noble prize precisely shows this with other things. It may seem editorializing to few, but many disagree. ] ] 17:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This was closed, who reopened it? Can someone re-close it? Further blurb deliberation should be at ]. ] (]) 17:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:This is an editorial decision, not a content error.—] (]) 19:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Significant blurb changes are at ITNC. Errors are used only for small corrections.<span id="Masem:1735586159648:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 19:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support including something about the humanitarian post-presidency career''' (e.g. the Nobel), which is ''the'' thing Carter is known for. It would make more sense to cut out the presidency TBH. (Though I wouldn't do that either). ] (]) 19:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': all blurbs in this widely-supported nomination mention the Nobel Peace Prize, showing a ''very'' clear consensus for its inclusion. So why are we unilaterally ''not'' including it? ] (]) 21:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*Adding my '''support''' for including "Nobel Peace Prize laureate" in the blurb; his post-presidency was arguably as transformative as his time as president, and has received comparable RS coverage in the obits. Given that all the proposed blurbs included the Nobel, I did not feel the need to state this in my !vote above. ] (]) 22:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' mention of Nobel Prize per Amakuru as it is editorializing the blurb to choose to add that secondary piece of info, which wasn’t included in Henry Kissinger’s blurb. ''']''' (] • ]) 05:37, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*{{ec}} '''Restored Nobel''' to the blurb. It's been in the blurb candiates from the beginning, and there is consensus since the post for its inclusion. As mentioned above with Annan and Peres previously, it's not unprecedented. In other fields, I also see some recent examples beyond a simple listing of their occupation. This is not required, and there are merits to avoiding squabbles with a more vanilla blurb. But there's no current rule at ] barring it, and the community can apply ], where needed, as was done here. This is consistent with the ] policy: {{tq2|As such, the neutral point of view does not mean the exclusion of certain points of view; rather, it means including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight.}}—] (]) 05:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The community establishes WP:WEIGHT in the article's talk page, not in ITN. The article indicates that Carter is first and foremost notable for being a president and secondarily as a humanitarian, not for being a Nobel laureate. If ITN doesn't directly reflect that's written in the corresponding article, this sets a ridiculous precedent where anything can be written in ITN blurbs so long as there is local consensus for it here (if tomorrow we'll have a blurb that Carter has come back to life while the article's obviously unchanged, and enough people vote for that blurb, would that also be posted?) ITN discussions have significantly less editorial rigor and oversight than an actual article talk page, and shouldn't be the place to make substantive arguments about content, especially ones that very clearly would not, and have not, passed in the article's talk page itself (e.g. in this case that Carter's Nobel prize is anywhere near as notable as his occupation as a president). ] (]) 06:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::{{tq|this sets a ridiculous precedent|q=yes}}: I had written, "This is not required". This blurb, in itself, does not set a precedent, any more than Annon or Peres did. The community is free to update ] to provide more guidance to posters on blurbs w.r.t. article leads, if there is consensus. Regards. —] (]) 07:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::He was a noted humanitarian, not a Nobel prize winner. And which Nobel anyways? Explains nothing about what the prize was for. ]] 09:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::The blurb says <u>Nobel Peace</u>. Nobody had proposed ''humanitarian'' in the blurb, but feel free to gain consensus whether it makes more sense to be generic. —] (]) 09:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post-posting support''' for inclusion of some mention of his post-presidency humanitarian efforts, whether that means mentioning the Nobel Peace Prize or some other language. (I already !voted so this second !vote is only on the language and not the notability or quality.) It isn't a double standard that we didn't mention this for Kissinger. It was simply less relevant for Kissinger and more relevant for Carter. The post-presidency work Carter did to earn that Nobel was arguably more transformative than anything he did in his role as president, so mentioning it separately from his presidency makes sense. The same can't be said of Kissinger. I'd still be fine with replacing the word Nobel Laureate with the word humanitarian since some editors take issue with the decoration, but I'm also fine with just leaving it how it is right now and keeping the Nobel Laureate phrasing. Just as long as the phrasing acknowledges that this is a unique case where him being the president was perhaps not even the most important thing he did with his life. This isn't setting a dangerous precedent or slippery slope, he legitimately may be the only president in US history and one of few leaders worldwide who left the highest office in the land and then went on to do bigger and better things after that. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 14:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{tq|simply less relevant for Kissinger}} is an opinion and the double standard here. Both individuals won a Nobel prize, and the articles of both individuals indicate that neither are notable for receiving that Nobel prize. The only discernible difference is personal opinion in ITN. ] (]) 15:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*::It ''would'' be a double standard if my position was that the Nobel Prize is itself inherently blurbworthy, but that isn't my view. It's worth mentioning separately for Carter because the reason ''why'' he received the award was for noteworthy contributions separate from his presidency. Kissinger's award was for his official duties as the Secretary of State, not for something separate. It's not about liking Carter more than Kissinger. For transparency I also won't deny that myself and likely many others ''do'' hold Carter in higher regard than Kissinger, but this isn't relevant to the discussion or the reasoning. It's simply about communicating that Carter's post-presidency is at least half of the reason why he's blurbworthy, even to those who are against blurbing just any former US president. With Kissinger, his time as Secretary of State was the sole reason. As I said before, I'm fine with replacing the award with the word humanitarian if it looks too decorative. I just don't take issue with the current wording. <b style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">]]</b> ] 16:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Yeah, then say humanitarian, not nobel laureate. Ok, it looks like this isn't going to change, but this is an error that'll come back to bite us the next time somebody decides to editorialize some other news event. ] (]) 16:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

==== (Removed) Remove Ongoing: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon====
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| nom cmt = The Ongoing section would benefit from some shortening, and this item seems like the best candidate for removal. The Israeli incursion in Lebanon is not in the news anymore (and the last event mentioned in the article dates back to 17 Dec). This is in contrast to the war in Gaza, or Israel's actions in Yemen, which are much more prominently covered in global news. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| nom cmt = Very high number of deaths. Help me to improve the article. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
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:'''Support removing'''—looks like the most sensible thing to trim. ] (]) 23:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
}} }}
*'''Strong oppose''' the only reason nothing is happening is because the ] is in place. However than will end soon as it is only a 60 day ceasefire. 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC) ] '''(])''' 22:33, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:If it ends and the war restarts, we post again ] (]) 07:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': Im wondering if maybe we need to do a () next to ] with all of the other Middle East battles that are also involving Israel, like Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, so on. ] (]) 20:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::There was a recent suggestion to include the entire listing of conflicts in the Middle East, but the problem is that they are not all directly related. While we can point to the Israel-Lebonon conflict as directly related to the Israel-Hamas one, events in Yemen or Syria are absolutely not part of that. That makes it all synthesis to combine them all. --] (]) 21:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support removing''', no updates recently. ] (]) 22:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support removing''' This is no longer hot, as indicated by lack of recent updates. There are low intensity incidents happening and might continue for months, but does not justify "Ongoing". ]<sup>]</sup> 02:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Strong oppose''' not only has Israel violated the ceasefire almost every single day its been in force, but there is no signs that they are going to continue the ceasefire after its 60 days. ]] 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ongoing is not about if the event is still going on, but if the target article or an appropriate subarticle has been receiving updates, which has not been happening here.<span id="Masem:1735572289131:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 15:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support removal''' Lack of recent updates; per nom. If hostilities resume after the ceasefire, this can be re-nominated for addition at that time. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 06:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Removed''' There's consensus for removal. If things flare up again, for example when the ceasefire expires, we can re-evaluate the situation. ''']]''' 07:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Closed) Houston Tornado Outbreak ====
:'''Oppose''' until the article Isn't a draft or stub ] (]) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::@]: look at this now! ] (]) 11:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC) {{Atop|Good faith nom, but clear consensus against. ] ] 23:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}}
{{ITN candidate
{{hat|Extended content, unrelated to current nom}}
| article=Tornado outbreak of December 28–29, 2024|image=File:December 28, 2024, storm clouds 02.jpg
:I see that you have moved here with your usual ] of instead of learning how to do things yourself. Please, at least try to write the article before showing up here and asking others to do it for you. ] <small>]</small> 16:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
| blurb= Tornado outbreak in the Houston Area killing 2 people and injuring many others
::{{ping|W.carter}} I'm checking the domestic sources and adding them. I don't know about you, but I work for parts; by the way, the information is still being disclosed. ] (]) 18:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
| altblurb= 2 people dead after tornado outbreak in the Houston area}}
:::A good practice is to create a passable draft first, get it accepted into article space, and then nominate it at ITN/C. You've been on the project for ten years, but you still do this "helpless newbie" routine. ] <small>]</small> 18:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
* <s>'''Support''' but with a completely reworded blurb. Three or more are dead, so the blurb is innacurate. How about "At least three people are killed during ''']''' across the ]." I oppose adding an image as of now.</s>
::::Yes, I'm relatively "newbie" on English wiki. There are no drafts on Portuguese wiki. ] (]) 19:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Meh. '''oppose''' per below. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 20:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Then I suggest you take the ] to get more acquainted with how things work here on en-wiki. ] <small>]</small> 19:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. Seems pretty minor, hard to find coverage outside the US media. ] (]) 20:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
{{hab}}
*'''Strong oppose''' - not important overall. {{ping|EF5}} we hardly post tornado outbreaks on ITN, and the smallest one I think that got posted was Rolling Fork's outbreak. The most recent was March 31, 2023, and almost every outbreak since then (with the possible exceptions of May 25 and April 26) have been well below the bar of importance for ITN. I'll add '''conditional weak support''' if the record-breaking claim of the Port Arthur tornado's duration is confirmed, but I highly doubt that. ] (]) 20:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*This is currently a one sentence stub, and was (correctly) moved to draft space. ] (]) 16:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I’ve re-opened this nomination as the lack of article isn’t a valid reason for closure.--] (]) 18:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Not significant, at least not yet. Very minor. ''']''' (]) 20:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' The oddness here is how late in the year this came, likely a result of global warming, but even with that, the relatively small death toll makes this a minor outbreak in the larger scheme of things. --] (]) 21:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*{{ping|ExclusiveEditor}} is ] good enough? ] (]) 18:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Late-season outbreaks have always happened. We posted the last big December outbreak (]) on merit as an outbreak, not based on climate change. I couldn't tell you why actual climate-change related blurbs (such as the yearly "hottest day in history" blurbs) never get posted. ] (]) 21:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Re|ArionStar}} Don't add too many citations just to prove the notability. See ] to understand how to add more citations. ] ] 19:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Because as long as there's little progress to stall climate change by major nations, these records are always going to get broken year after year. And the 2021 outbreak was likely posted due to the high death toll (70+).<span id="Masem:1735511037173:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 22:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Oppose''' 1. The article is in draftspace, which should be enough to reject this nomination. 2. The draft article doesn't demonstrate passing ], yet alone ]. ]] (]) 18:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong Oppose''' Tragic, but it’s a typical tornado outbreak. Two deaths is very small compared to very notable tornado outbreaks like the 2011 Super Outbreak. ''']<span style="color:#C0C0C0">Need</span>]''' 🎄 21:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Not significant coverage? Aljazeera, CNN, The Guardian, Sky News? ] (]) 18:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
{{Abot}}
*::AP? ] (]) 18:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::* ] and ] have not been met. ]] (]) 22:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*The discussion about ArionStar is irrelevant; behavioral concerns should be reported to the relevant noticeboard. Concerns as to the sourcing are misguided, as it clearly passes GNG based on what's currently used alone. The article will soon be moved back into mainspace, so concerns regarding its draftification will be assuaged. It could, however, be longer, per WP:ITNQUALITY, as it is rather stubby atm. Conversely, per WP:ITNUPDATE, it's not far short of ]. --]'']''] 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
**It doesn't pass the GNG or NEVENT ''yet''. This is a burst of news coverage with no current indication of having a long term impact. It is a sadly large scale disaster but unlike many natural disasters or the like, there's not a current expectation there will be a lot of Followup coverage.<span id="Masem:1734914802701:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 00:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*<s>'''Oppose for now''' page got deleted, but I will be happy to support it, if its back up and improved.</s>
*:'''Support''' Article is short, but is notable, and looks well sourced ] (])
*:@]: the article is ready now. ] (]) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{reply|ArionStar}} should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. ]'']''] 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Ok. I got it! ] (]) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' One of the worst road crashes in Brazil's history. ] (]) 23:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, I've seen bus accidents of this scale not reported on ITN, but this seems to have got good coverage, {{small|(continued below)}} <br />'''Oppose''' on quality/ size. Thou tragic and widely reported, it is very short. ] ] 06:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Size''' is currently 1349 B (227 words).—] (]) 06:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', significant accident, article is well sourced. ] (]) 11:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Joseph2302|Bloxzge 025|Bagumba}} the article is bigger now. ] (]) 12:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Passes GNG. Also noting we posted a car cash in Magdeburg the other day. --]'']''] 13:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I guess when the police catch the truck driver, we'll have some extra information to add. ] (]) 14:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Yes, it doesn't look at all good for the driver, whom the police have identified. ] (]) 18:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:*Commenting in mostly because I nominated the Magdeburg blurb—apples to oranges. Magdeburg's was a premeditated and (likely) politically-motivated attack, this was an accident. ] (]) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:*Commenting in not mostly but wholly because other stuff exists. --]'']''] 18:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article is in good shape and well-referenced now. ] (]) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support in principle, oppose on quality'''</s> This is a very notable accident by its record-breaking fatality count alone. However, article is pretty sparse and two-thirds of the Collision section rely on a single BBC article in Portuguese. In addition, it implies a certainty about the details of the accident when, as far as I can tell, there are multiple conflicting accounts as to what exactly happened. ] (]) 18:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Likely = possibly? ] (]) 18:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Could you possibly raise the "multiple conflicting accounts" at ]? Many thanks. ] (]) 18:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*::{{Done}}. ] (]) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:* Fixed, I think. '''Support.''' ] (]) 19:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - the article is now in an appropriate state for posting. --]] 21:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{question|Ready?}} ] (]) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. Just a traffic accident on a road that has these regularly. The details seem unclear but the coverage is not lasting. ]🐉(]) 08:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:It's exactly what ] said: there's a follow-up coverage as a long term impact. ] (]) 11:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::By long term impact I would something along the lines of a safety investigation or changes to road laws that would be aimed to prevent this, but all there seems to be is the driver turning himself in. That's not really a lot for a traffic accident even if the most deadliest in Brazil history. Wp is not well suited for news stories that show little long term encyclopedic relevance.<span id="Masem:1735050025006:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 14:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*:If the event is not notable, do you think the article should be ]? Exactly which details do you think need further clarification? Thanks. ] (]) 11:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Pertinent questions. ] (]) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::In addition and by the way: a ] in Canada with fewer deaths a year ago. Thoughts? ] (]) 16:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::It's not always about how much people died. ] (]) 17:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::What's it about? Canada? ] (]) 17:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::Fatal accidents involving buses are quite common. For example, there was a just yesterday. See also ]. ]🐉(]) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::With 41 fatal victims? It was a ]. ] (]) 18:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::: According to ], Brazil has about 34,000 road deaths each year. That's more than twice 41 every day. 41 is therefore nothing special; they just happened together because that's the way buses work -- people ride together. ]🐉(]) 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::It's only special because it's.... in the news? ] (]) 21:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::::::One of the deadliest road accidents in the country's history. It is special itself. ] (]) 22:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Mark as Ready''' These arguments are a little shallow and some seem ]-biased to me. ] (]) 18:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''; up to a decent ITN quality. Don't see how this is routine with 41 deaths. ] • ] • ] 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' With article issues resolved, there's clear consensus to post. ''']]''' 22:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@]: please, keep the original setence. ] (]) 23:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::"A survivor on the bus said the vehicle that left São Paulo was replaced by what crashed." Is this sentence grammatically correct? ] (]) 00:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::{{yo|ArionStar}} No, fixed, thanks for pointing this out. ] (]) 01:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::The original blurb (At least 41 people are killed in ] involving a bus, a road train and a car in ], Brazil) is more explanatory. ] (]) 02:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. ''']]''' 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ] (]) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::If the number changes, we'll update it; that is standard practice. ''']]''' 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Don Martina ==== ==== (Posted) 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Don Martina | article = 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis
| image = Tbilisi - election protests 28 October 2024.jpg<!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = ''']''' continues with ] inaugurated and ] claiming to remain ].<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
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| altblurb2 = Amidst ''']''', ] inaugurated ].
|altblurb3 = ''']''' occurs in ], as ] is inaugurated as ] while incumbent ] intends to remain in office.
|altblurb4 = ] is inaugurated as ] while incumbent ] intends to remain in office amidst ''']'''.
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| nom cmt = The ] that have accompanied this crisis have been ongoing daily for two months with the biggest participation estimated at around 100,000 people - several percent of the total Georgian population.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 11:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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* ''Comment'' The expression "claiming that" is a bit ]ly; {{tq|and ] stating that she retains her legitimacy as ]}} would be more neutral, avoiding the connotation that Misplaced Pages is sceptical about her POV. I've added ''altblurb'' which seems less weaselly to me. ] (]) 11:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Ongoing?''' The nomination is not clear whether it's proposing this as an ongoing entry. Many other places have ongoing political tensions and rivalries so I reckon we need some big incident or civil war for this to stand out. ]🐉(]) 12:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The event itself - the overall crisis - is ongoing, but the Western mainstream media news coverage is not intense enough to justify ''ongoing'' in the ITN sense. This is not a proposal for ITN "Ongoing". In terms of the wording, it would be inaccurate to suggest that today's inauguration was a sudden crisis - it's a key symbolic event within the overall crisis - so "continuing" in the blurb is accurate. ] (]) 12:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Definitely has more encyclopedic value than the electoral college vote a few weeks earlier. Depending on how the world reacts, it could be a repeat of the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. ] (]) 13:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

*'''Strong Oppose''' There is a similar ] ], ]. ] (]) 16:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Response''' Somalia has been in a civil war for decades now, it has gotten its place in the spotlight but has faded away with time. ] (]) 19:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''<strike>strong</strike> weak support altblurb2''' came here to nominate it, glad to see I was beaten to it. The inauguration is perhaps more important than the non-popular election itself with the repercussions per Scaramouche33 (day-before form PM and GD leader was sanctioned with many other by the state department). What the now former president claims is not relevant ''encyclopaedically''/ITN. It is for the sub-article/s though. <strike>She'll likely be arrested before the new year if not tonight. It's 21:15 atm.</strike> , despite .] (]) 17:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' Definitely something to take note of. Additionally, I suspect Russia might invade Georgia again, to prop up the Dream Party. ] (]) 19:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support altblurb 3''' per above. Added altblurb 3. ] (]) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::''oppose'' '''altblurb3''' she has left the presidential palace. She cannot conduct an enforeceable actions such as signing bills.] (]) 21:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' No one knows who the president of georgia is now, but it is an inauguration ''']''' (]) 21:01, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
::everybody knows who the new prez is after being sworn in with his predecessor leaving the presidential palace.] (]) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Leaving ] has some but not much significance; it's not ''the'' presidential palace, it's ''a'' presidential palace; Zourabichvili was the first president to reside there: . ] (]) 01:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Important enough in the context of cold war between East and West. Georgia is one of the battlegrounds. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' Article is a bit short for a leadership dispute of this magnitude, but it's good enough for posting. --] (]) 08:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' Per TDKR. ] (]) 13:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@admins, please, check the consensus. ] (]) 02:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:''Comment'' The article has increased in length, and attracting more editors to ] would be useful, since the situation is even more complicated than stated in any of the blurbs: most of the sources seem to say that the ''de facto'' ruler of Georgia is a third person, ], but they also consider it so obvious ("everyone" knows it) that it's not worth paying much attention to. Misplaced Pages content about his role in this context will improve with more people editing with good sources. I'm ''not'' proposing to change the blurb further - I would go for either ''Alt I'' or ''Alt IV''. (''Alt II'' seems a bit narrow, focussing on the protests rather than the broader political/institutional crisis. ''Alt III'' is not quite correct, since in principle, the government is run by the prime minister.) ] (]) 18:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*::Blurb IV is ready. ] (]) 20:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - A major political crisis. ] (]) 23:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Schwede66}} It's ready. ] (]) 14:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ALT4. ''']]''' 18:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

====(Posted) Jeju Air Flight 2216====
{{ITN candidate|article=Jeju Air Flight 2216|image=File:Boeing 737-8AS Jeju Air HL8088 3012 (MSN 37541) Cheongju Intl Airport May 14, 2021.jpg
|blurb=A Jeju Air Boeing 737-800 ''']''' at ], South Korea, after hitting a fence while attempting to land with 47 casualties reported out of 181 passengers on board.|altblurb=At least 47 people are killed when a Jeju Air plane carrying 181 passengers ''']''' at ] in South Korea.|altblurb2=''']''' crashes at ], South Korea, killing at least 47.|sources=|creator=Dora the Axe-plorer|nominator=QalasQalas|nom cmt=I think it needs a bit of work.}}

*'''Support''' Absolutely horrific footage, definitely worthy of the front page. --] (]) 02:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' holiday season is deadly this year. ] (]) 02:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Terrible year for Korea ] (]) 11:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

:Absolutely three deadly crashes within a month. ] (]) 02:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' A no brainer, major plane crash with dozens of fatalities. ] (]) 02:18, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt Blurb III''' Article probably needs its quality improved, but absolutely a notable event. ] <small>(] - ])</small> 02:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support Alt Blurb II''' in line with the Flight 8243. Also, the death toll has reportly risen to 47. ] (]) 02:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Considering that if the death count ends up being over 132 it will have been the deadliest crash since 2020, this is quite a major incident and it deserves to be here. (offtopic but why was both the start and end of this year so bad for aviation?) <span style="background:#000dff; padding:2px;">''']]'''&nbsp;</span> 02:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' could become the deadliest crash this year with 178 possible fatalities and its already the second deadliest. ] ] 9:49 PM, 28 December 2024 (EST)
*'''Strong Support''' Dozens of fatalities have been found. Major news coverage. Article is a bit short but that is because there is no conclusive info yet, as the incident happened three hours ago. ] ] 9:49 PM, 28 December 2024 (EST)
*'''Support''' seems to have extensive coverage from South Korean News sources, some western sources are also picking up on the accident. ] ] 10:02 PM. 28 December 2024 (EST)
*'''Strong support altblurb 2'''. For a new disaster article less than half an hour old it's of fantastic quality. This might be less geopolitically important than the crash in Kazakhstan but the human toll is telling. ] (]) 03:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' Altburlb II Fatality numbers can be updated via ]. ] (]) 03:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

== December 28 ==
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==== RD: Mary Anne Krupsak ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Mary Anne Krupsak
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = | sources =
| updated = | updated = yes
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards | creator =
| updaters = Crispulop | nominator = Engineerchange
| nom cmt = Curaçaoan politician | updaters = CmdrDan, Connormah
| nom cmt = Lieutenant governor of New York
| sign = ] (]) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
| sign = --] (]) 15:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
}} }}
*'''Comment''' Served two impactful terms as Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles. I made some further additions to the article. ] (]) 13:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC) *'''Support''' Sources {{ok}}, no dead refs, size {{ok}}, high quality NYT obit. Summary: passed. ] (]) 17:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. Appropriate depth, fully referenced. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *{{tq|Krupsak, however, was the first woman nominated for (and elected to) the lieutenant governorship}} is a key sentence in this bio and it's unreferenced. ''']]''' 19:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good length, fully referenced, comprehensive. ] (]) 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC) *:{{Added}} Ref: New York's first female lieutenant governor, Mary Anne Krupsak, has died at age 92. ] (]) 20:11, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' Pretty close, but article could use some additional info regarding what she accomplished in her position as Lieutenant Governor. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 05:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Joanne Pierce Misko ==== ==== (Posted) RD: Martin Karplus ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Joanne Pierce Misko | article = Martin Karplus
| recent deaths = yes | recent deaths = yes
| sources = ] | sources =
| updated = yes
| creator =
| nominator = Grimes2
| updaters = Grimes2, Math-ghamhainn
| nom cmt = Theoretical chemist, Nobel Prize laureate
| sign = ] (]) 15:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*Unreferenced date of birth. ''']]''' 19:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*:{{Done}} ] (]) 20:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 05:26, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Shigeko Sasamori ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Shigeko Sasamori
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| creator = TJMSmith
| nominator = TJMSmith
| updaters =
| nom cmt = Survivor of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and an advocate for peace and nuclear disarmament. Died on December 15. Death reported on December 28.
| sign = ] (]) 02:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
}}
*'''Support''' The article is mainly based on the NYT obit, but this is ok. Every paragraph is sourced. 2989 characters (465 words) "readable prose size". Article was created on December 31, 2024. ] (]) 16:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 05:24, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

==== RD: Kari Dziedzic ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Kari Dziedzic
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = ForsythiaJo | nominator = Malvoliox
| updaters = ForsythiaJo | updaters =
| nom cmt = Sitting Minnesota state senator and former majority leader, hoping to expand the article a little/add electoral history and more details about political work, but also want to make sure we can clean up any issues with citations etc. that I didn’t catch.
| creator = Thriley
| sign = ''']''' ''(] &#124; ])'' 14:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = One of the ]'s first two female agents.
| sign = ] (]) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC) *@], the better source needed tag should ideally be resolved. Otherwise, '''support'''. ] ] 01:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
}} }}
*'''Comment''' I am not altogether sure this is not a case of ]. -] (]) 03:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC) ::Replaced the bad source with a reliable recent one that details the case. ''']''' ''(] &#124; ])'' 15:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment:''' As mentioned in nom, needs additional info about what she accomplished while in office. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 05:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
** Would the first, the longest tenured, and getting inducted to a HoF count as 3E? --] (]) 03:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== (Posted) RD: Charles Dolan ====
* With 482 words, this wikibio is long enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. . This wikibio, judging from its edit history, was already '''READY for RD a few days ago''', within 7 days after the Dec.19th publication of her death. --] (]) 14:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
* '''Posted'''. ] 14:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| article = Charles Dolan <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:9DCE:E014:DC2:B389 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = American billionaire businessman, founder of Cablevision and HBO.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
* '''Support''', article is well-cited and I don't see any quality issues. ] (]) 22:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', article is long enough and well-sourced, with no apparent issues. Could use some spot verification. ] 01:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ] ] 01:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


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(Top) 358 358
Archives 157 157
Sections 263 263
January 4 167 1,368
2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes 1,201 1,201
January 3 119 119
2025 PDC World Darts Championship 2,182 2,182
RD: Britt Allcroft 693 693
(Closed) Devastating eruption located 4,778 4,778
RD: Tariana Turia 1,246 1,246
January 2 119 119
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RD: Rosita Missoni 1,333 1,333
RD: Ján Zachara 1,354 1,354
RD: Ágnes Keleti 4,453 4,453
(Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament 2,663 2,663
January 1 119 119
RD: David Lodge 902 902
RD: Wayne Osmond 1,038 1,038
(Closed) 2025 Trump International Hotel explosion 13,120 13,120
(Posted) Schengen Area expansion 5,898 5,898
RD: John B. O'Reilly Jr. 927 927
RD: Chad Morgan 610 610
2025 Cetinje shootings 20,862 20,862
(Posted) 2025 New Orleans truck attack 5,025 5,025
(Closed) 2025 Trump Tower fire 2,370 2,370
December 31 126 126
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RD: Fraser Stoddart 854 854
RD: Jocelyn Wildenstein 927 927
RD: Arnold Rüütel 1,129 1,129
RD: Angelo Amato 1,134 1,134
RD: Johnnie Walker 1,631 1,631
(Closed) 2024 United States Treasury Hack 7,018 7,018
December 30 125 125
RD: Loretta Di Franco 726 726
RD: Jorge Lanata 628 628
RD: Michael Newberry 923 923
RD: Jamshid bin Abdullah 2,092 2,092
RD: Linda Lavin 696 696
Ethiopian Truck Crash 8,358 8,358
December 29 125 125
(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Dada Masilo 727 727
2024 Estlink 2 incident 10,432 10,432
2024 Chadian parliamentary election 1,092 1,092
(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb Jimmy Carter 32,189 32,189
(Removed) Remove Ongoing: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon 5,279 5,279
(Closed) Houston Tornado Outbreak 3,784 3,784
(Posted) 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis 10,086 10,086
(Posted) Jeju Air Flight 2216 4,029 4,029
December 28 125 125
RD: Mary Anne Krupsak 1,568 1,568
(Posted) RD: Martin Karplus 1,009 1,009
(Posted) RD: Shigeko Sasamori 1,114 1,114
RD: Kari Dziedzic 1,739 1,739
(Posted) RD: Charles Dolan 1,483 1,483
References 830 830
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January 4, 2025 (2025-01-04) (Saturday)

2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes

Article: 2024–25 Ethiopian earthquakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Signs of a volcanic eruption appears in Awash Fentale in Afar Region. (Post)
News source(s): Al Alarabiya English, BBC News
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 AsteriodX (talk) 05:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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2025 PDC World Darts Championship

Proposed image Article: 2025 PDC World Darts Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In darts, Luke Littler (pictured) wins the 2025 PDC World Darts Championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: ITNR sporting final. OZOO (t) (c) 22:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Aren't all tables under the "Schedule" section violations of MOS:COLHEAD? Would this hinder it being posted? Howard the Duck (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Britt Allcroft

Article: Britt Allcroft (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Evening Standard
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Date death announced. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Devastating eruption located

SNOW closing (volcanic winter snow?), since there is a clear consensus that this will not get posted. If expanded enough, DYK is a good alternative. --Tone 14:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image Article: Zavaritski Caldera (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The site of the volcanic eruption (pictured) which caused blue suns and global famine has been identified. (Post)
News source(s): AAAS, Jerusalem Post
Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: A long-standing mystery has been solved. There's still work to do on expanding the article and updating related topics such as Graham Island and Little Ice Age volcanism. Those who measure significance by deaths should note that the resulting famines such as the Tenpō famine caused hundreds of thousands of deaths. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose the blurb: Average reader would not understand what is this even about, at least in first few glances. Blue suns? Should be wikilinked, googling it gives weird things. Which global famine(s)? Too vague. If it is about some 1831 global climate catastrophe, does Misplaced Pages have an article about or related to it? Googling 'Zavaritski Caldera' on news tab currently only serves one news item by daily mail. It should first be reported by few major general news media outlets so that we may 'it is in news'. I don't say it is not interesting, but very confusing. ExclusiveEditor 🔔 Ping Me! 11:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
The meteorological use of Blue sun doesn't have an article, but it probably could, there's enough material out there i.e. . Meanwhile, the article is a stub and I don't see it significantly in the news at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I was working on getting this started but got an edit conflict. Will leave it for now but my impression is that there's lots of work to be done around this. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose: the article is still a stub, and the blurb is not clear for non-initiated readers. Cambalachero (talk) 13:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose Using the Little Ice Age article as a reference, there's multiple volcanic events that contributed to the changing climate from 1600-1900, and while discovering one of the sources is of scientific interest, this is not as key a breakthrough as the blurb seems to want to suggest. --Masem (t) 13:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose due to target article length/overall quality and a far too vague blurb for the average reader. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 13:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. This is a proposed (unconfirmed) interpretation of an event that happened in 1831. It's a mildly interesting result but has no major impact. I don't think this reaches the level of significance or broad interest that would merit an ITN blurb. In addition, the article is a stub with a single reference. We don't seem to have any article about the 1831 atmospheric phenomena, just a single bullet point in Little_Ice_Age_volcanism#1809–1831 - an indication that the event wasn't particularly influential or historically significant. Modest Genius 14:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Tariana Turia

Article: Tariana Turia (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, The NZ Herald
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Co-founder of Te Pāti Māori MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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RD: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)

Article: Wilhelm Brückner (luthier) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MDR
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German luthier in Erfurt. He worked until 90 in his workshop. Grimes2 (talk) 18:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Rosita Missoni

Article: Rosita Missoni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NY Times
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian knitwear designer. With her husband Ottavio Missoni, she co-founded Italian luxury fashion house Missoni. Death reported 2 January. Thriley (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ján Zachara

Article: Ján Zachara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): "Vo veku 96 rokov zomrel bývalý slovenský boxer a olympijský víťaz Ján Zachara". Denník N (in Slovak). 2 January 2025. "Legendary boxer Ján Zachara passed away". rtvs.sk. Retrieved 2025-01-02.
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1952 Olympic gold medalist, died on the same day as another 1952 gold medalist (Ágnes Keleti) Di (they-them) (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Ágnes Keleti

Article: Ágnes Keleti (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): blikk portfolio hvg
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Nominator's comments: The oldest living Olympian in history — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.44.118.57 (talk) 07:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Second and and third citation above from Spworld2 (talk · contribs)'s duplicate nomination. His comment was
Ágnes Keleti has died, at the age of 104 , Hungarian Olympic champion, gymnast and Sportswoman. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Comment Actually, she wasn't the oldest at the time of her death. Both Yvonne Chabot-Curtet and Iris Cummings were older then Ágnes Keleti. She was the oldest living champion, however. But its almost there, the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 10:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Support, she's a notable Hungarian athlete who not only won 10 Olympic medals, but was also inducted into the International Jewish Sports Hall of Fame, the Hungarian Sports Hall of Fame, the International Women's Sports Hall of Fame, and the International Gymnastics Hall of Fame. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • This is a recent deaths nomination, and so as per the notice, only the article quality should be considered (every person with an article is eligible to be nominated). Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Procedural oppose as per WP:DENY. The nominator is blocked for sockpuppetry/block evasion, so we shouldn't be supporting that by allowing this nomination of theirs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
    If they verifiably died, they qualify. It doesn't help readers in this case to DENY. Per the WP:EVASION policy: This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a banned editor (changes that are obviously helpful, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert.—Bagumba (talk) 18:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support Article is in quality to post. Armbrust 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support denying a non-offending article's RD eligibility just because it so happened to be initially nominated by a sockpuppet account is a bad precedent to set. It sends a message that if you really dislike someone and don't want them to be memorialized, the solution is for you to quickly create a sockpuppet account and push out an RD nom, so that the target article is never allowed on the main page. The article is well sourced and ready. FlipFlopped ツ 20:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) Yoav Gallant resigns from Israel parliament

This won't gain consensus. Schwede66 19:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: Yoav Gallant (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Yoav Gallant, member of the Israel Parliament (pictured), resigns at the age of 66, after being fired in November. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV The Times Of Israel
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Article updatedNominator's comments: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet. ArPerfectlyEdits (talk) 14:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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January 1, 2025 (2025-01-01) (Wednesday)

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RD: David Lodge

Article: David Lodge (author) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Euronews
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Nominator's comments: British author and critic. 240F:7A:6253:1:3531:2BB0:7F04:241F (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Wayne Osmond

Article: Wayne Osmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS, YourErie, ABC
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 The AP (talk) 08:41, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Closed) 2025 Trump International Hotel explosion

Consensus to post will not develop. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 08:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: Trump International Hotel Las Vegas Tesla Cybertruck explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ One person is killed and seven others are injured when a Tesla Cybertruck explodes (pictured) outside of the Trump International Hotel Las Vegas in Paradise, Nevada, United States. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times BBC ABC News
Credits:  Spworld2 (talk) 09:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Djprasadian (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, Vice President Elect Musk has "broken silence" to reassure us that Tesla Cybertrucks are perfectly safe. But he is still alive. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
The police are saying this is likely a Suicide. I'm horrified that people keep recreating the article and reopening the discussion, when this was pretty obviously a good likelihood at the time this discussion was reopened! Close this abortion now. Nfitz (talk) 19:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) Schengen Area expansion

Article: Schengen Area (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Romania and Bulgaria join the Schengen Area, the European passport-free zone. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Romania and Bulgaria join the Schengen Area and lift land border checks.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Romania and Bulgaria both become full members of the Schengen Area by removing land border checks, seven months after their initial admission.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters
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Support, I would argue that any changes to the composition of the Schengen Area are inherently relevant as the largest area with free movement in the world, and for years it has been a major topic of discussion here in the European Union that Romania and Bulgaria were the last EU members to not have been admitted (excl. Ireland who have an opt-out) because of a veto from Austria in the Council of the European Union. So it was very significant when the vote finally passed last month in the Justice and Home Affairs Council.
However, that wording is probably not ideal—in a legal sense, Romania and Bulgaria joined the Schengen Area on 31 March 2024 when border controls were lifted for air and sea travel. The news are that land border checks have also just been lifted, granting the countries full participation on the same level as all other 27 member states.
So I would propose re-phrasing the blurb to something like Romania and Bulgaria become full members of the Schengen Area, with land border checks lifted on 1 January 2025.
BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 05:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Support, but agree with BochiBochiGalaxy, so also added altblurb 1. Yo.dazo (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Support on notability This is a major change in international policy. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:47, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Support ALT1 as a major change in policy that is in the news, so meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. And target article has enough information about this event to pass WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Oppose - 2 nations joining the Schengen isn't that exciting. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
NB: Since I made the above post, the blurbs have been edited by another user to be more verbose than they were previously. I liked the conciseness of alt2, which is why I voted for it. The current alt2 is not what I voted for; I would support the original blurb in preference to it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@GenevieveDEon: I've restored altblurb2 and moved the appended altblurb2 to a new altblurb since it was significantly appended by another editor without my knowledge. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: John B. O'Reilly Jr.

Article: John B. O'Reilly Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: 6th mayor of Dearborn, Michigan. History6042😊 (Contact me) 22:41, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

  • In its current form, the article isn't ready. Date and place of birth are unreferenced. There is absolutely nothing about his early life, education, or work history. Schwede66 19:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Chad Morgan

Article: Chad Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-02/chad-morgan-australian-country-music-singer-dies/104778248
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Nominator's comments: Australian comedy country music performer known as "The Sheik of Scrubby Creek". HiLo48 (talk) 22:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

2025 Cetinje shootings

Article: 2025 Cetinje shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thirteen people including the perpetrator are killed and four others are injured in spree shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thirteen are killed in spree shootings in Cetinje, Montenegro. The shootings are the deadliest in Montenegro since 1944 during Nazi occupation.
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  • Support on notability, oppose on quality Quite similar in scope as the 2022 Cetinje shooting, also taking place in Cetinje. Removed mention of terrorism in the blurb as it's not in the source beyond the involvement of counter-terrorist government agencies. The second shooting targeted the restaurant owner's family. Departure– (talk) 22:00, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Departure– Changed it once more to deadliest shooting in Montenegro since 1944. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
That's almost certainly not relevant. "Deadliest since X" isn't needed in a blurb. Departure– (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
@Departure– Please clarify if I am wrong but doesn't blurb mean short description? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 22:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
Blurbs are almost always a single sentence and typically don't contain context in the blurb. For instance, we wouldn't have the second sentence read "Shootings in Montenegro are rare due to strict gun laws" either - that can be implied from the source or the article. Departure– (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
I turned SSCG's changes into an altblurb. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
There is no indication this this is the deadliest shooting since "Workd War II (sic)". And this isn't stated in the article. Nfitz (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
The government of Montenegro declared three days of mourning, which is a sign that this is a serious incident on national level. Furthermore, there's no reason why lives of Americans should be valued more than lives of Montenegrins as we already have a similar incident in New Orleans posted on the main page. After careful examination, there's indication that the opposition to this nomination on significance comes from editors who regularly support shootings in the US and complain about anti-American bias when they don’t succeed.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Please answer the question. I'm not sure what the USA has to do with this. The nomination is seriously flawed - that's the issue I have. Nfitz (talk) 21:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Nfitz: You state that something isn’t the case without providing any evidence that proves the contrary. The 2022 Cetinje shooting you’re referring to had 11 deaths, which is clearly less than 13 deaths in this one. Moreover, there were no murders of Albanians in Montenegro during the 1990s. Montenegro was part of Yugoslavia whose authorities committed murders in Kosovo. You’re welcome to provide additional evidence if you don’t agree with it. There are reliable sources reporting this as ‘the greatest massacre’ in the history of Montenegro (see this as an example), so you need to better elaborate your view that it’s not the case. After all, we typically don’t include such lines in the blurbs we post, so this is a relatively minor issue considering how the story is unfolding (there are three days of mourning, and a country-wide gun ban was proposed).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
If you are say that there were no murders of Albanians (contrary to our own Encyclopaedia), I have concerns. My point here is that the article nowhere mentions that this is the deadliest shooting since Work War II, itsslf (sic). Surely, User:Kiril Simeonovski, looking at the article makes that clear (at least at the time that posted). The deaths are indeed now higher than the other recent shooting in this town; I don't see the relevance to my comment. Nfitz (talk) 00:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
@Nfitz: I think you should learn some geography and history before participating in such discussions with claims that what you don’t like is flawed (note first that Montenegro and Albania are different countries that haven’t been part of the same political entity over the past 100 years).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, of Albanians. There's no reason to be rude, and for you to violate one of Misplaced Pages's most basic principles, just because I've correctly pointed out that the article didn't mention that it was the biggest shooting since World War II. Nfitz (talk) 09:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm not rude, just honest, and I wasn't bothered by your repeated sarcasm ("Workd War II (sic)"). Fair enough. Let's leave some room for others in this discussion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I think the situation in New Orleans is significantly different than the situation in Montenegro. Namely, the one in New Orleans is a terrorist attack, while this is a domestic violence incident that became a spree shooting. Would you support posting a similar shooting that happened in the US? Personally, I would not. Also, please don't cast aspersions, I do not appreciate your insinuations. -- Rockstone 22:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Rockstone35: Is there a specific Misplaced Pages policy that terrorist attacks should be assigned higher significance in ITN nominations? Innocent people died in both incidents, so the motives shouldn’t matter.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
@Kiril Simeonovski: there isn't a specific policy that we shouldn't include mass shootings in countries where they're common, and yet that's consistently what happens, so I don't know what your point is. If the motive doesn't matter, then neither should how often it happens or where. -- Rockstone 00:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
My point is that you cannot dismiss a shooting if it’s not a terrorist attack as we don’t have such policy. There are other indicators of notability, such as public response and policies. If there are days of mourning and proposals for country-wide gun ban, then it’s clear that this is a serious incident that affects the whole society.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
The main reason I opposed posting was because these types of shootings are routinely not posted if they happen in the US, despite the fact that they had the same number of deaths. -- Rockstone 15:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose on Quality. Significance seems to be there, but as many of noted, the article is fairly short. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - While the article would still benefit from expansion, it's just about sufficient. Despite the fact that Cetinje has had two of them in four years, shootings of this kind are generally very rare in Europe, and this is clearly more than noteworthy. I am not impressed by arguments attempting to differentiate the New Orleans killings from these by applying the politicised label of 'terrorism'; in a murder on this scale, the puported reason for the killings should not generally be a deciding factor in whether to post. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - As noted above, the article is short and could benefit from more people writing to expand it, but it is more than enough to understand the event. Regardless of whether Cetinje was unlucky enough to have two modern shootings, these shootings are still extraordinarily rare in Europe. I will also note that I do not understand why so many people have tried to argue on the semantics of the word terrorism when twelve people have died, and that to most of the world this and the New Orleans terrorist attack have equal relevance – I think there is very clear U.S.-centrism at display in this discussion. BochiBochiGalaxy (talk) 05:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    It isn't Americentricism, please don't cast aspersions. -- Rockstone 15:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support on notability; weak support on quality per GenevieveDEon and BochiBochiGalaxy. The article could and should be further expanded, but I think it conveys the basics of what happened sufficiently with some recent additions by editors. It is a landmark mass casualty event for a country that has caused a day of national mourning. The ripple effects of the shooting are also spurring a nationwide conversation about banning firearms. The call for gun reform are in turn attracting global news coverage, e.g. from the Washington Post to the Toronto Star. Opposing votes have mentioned the attack being motivated by mental health or family issues, but I point out these were also motivations of the Sandy Hook or Aurora shooters in the USA, attacks which had a lasting impact and which we did post without question. A non-terror motive does not negate that it is an impactful event, with casualties, that is leading to global media coverage. FlipFlopped ツ 18:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support - I'm changing my vote as the death toll has increased and I'm sold on the arguments of how rare such events are in Europe compared to other areas. Support blurb - I'm concerned the alt-blurb about WW2 is neither mentioned in the article, nor necessarily correct. Nfitz (talk) 20:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    Do we have a consensus now? SpectralIon (talk) 20:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
    Even though I opposed posting... I think we do have consensus. --Rockstone 03:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Rockstone35 What is the consesus? SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 03:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    @SimpleSubCubicGraph that it ought to be posted. --Rockstone 04:13, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    Then we need someone to ping an admin. SpectralIon (talk) 04:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    @SpectralIon can you please ping an admin SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
    I'm not sure what the rules are regarding that so I'm not gonna risk it. You should mark this nom as (Ready) though SpectralIon (talk) 05:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Support original blurb or a variation thereof. I'm not sure the comparison to World War II makes a lot of sense even were it factually accurate - certainly what larger massacres occurred in 1944 were of another nature than this one. This is bad enough on its own. Khuft (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) 2025 New Orleans truck attack

Proposed image Article: 2025 New Orleans truck attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 11 people are killed and 36 others are injured in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack in New Orleans, Louisiana (street pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Eleven people are killed and thirty-six others are injured in a vehicle-ramming and shooting attack in New Orleans, Louisiana (intersection pictured).
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(Closed) 2025 Trump Tower fire

Withdrawn by nom. (non-admin closure) 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 21:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: 2025 Trump tower explosion (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A cybertruck catches on fire near the Trump Tower with casulaties still unknown. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-trump-tower-explosion-horror-34403879]
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@Nfitz I assumed it was a terrorist attack given that another one happened in New Orleans just a few hours ago. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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RD: Buddy MacKay

Article: Buddy MacKay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
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Nominator's comments: American politician, governor of Florida for three weeks (1998–99), dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 04:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Fraser Stoddart

Article: Fraser Stoddart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Twente University
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Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize laureate in chemistry in the fields supramolecular chemistry and nanotechnology. Grimes2 (talk) 13:28, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jocelyn Wildenstein

Article: Jocelyn Wildenstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People
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Nominator's comments: Swiss socialite best known for her extensive cosmetic surgery. 240F:7A:6253:1:58D9:DCBF:4F69:EC26 (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Arnold Rüütel

Article: Arnold Rüütel (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: 3rd President of Estonia from 2001–2006. 2A00:807:C7:C82A:2859:B355:BAAD:86AD (talk) 04:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Not Ready Multiple CN tags --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Angelo Amato

Article: Angelo Amato (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Italian cardinal who died yesterday. History6042😊 (Contact me) 04:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

plus Added ISBNs Grimes2 (talk) 04:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Johnnie Walker

Article: Johnnie Walker (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: English disc jockey. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Support He seems to be quite popular as a DJ, including winning many awards. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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Note: currently 18 {cn} tags. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 United States Treasury Hack

Good faith nom. However, consensus to post will not develop. – robertsky (talk) 02:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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Article: 2024 United States Department of the Treasury hack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Chinese Communist Party hacks into the United States Treasury, stealing valuable data (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The United States Department of the Treasury states that it was hacked by a Chinese intelligence agency.
News source(s): (Reuters)
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  • Oppose First, that blurb is extremely misleading on two angles: Chinese hackers are suspected, but there's not yet any connection to the CCP. Second, the data took was "unclassified documents", which means it is unlikely to be "valuable" data from the Treasure department. As such, this is nowhere close to a major scandle, they just had to report it after reporting it to Congress. At this point, its not a significant incident. --Masem (t) 01:02, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
@Masem To your first point, yes that is true, a "suspicion" but 99% likely CCP hackers. Secondly, unclassified does not mean publicly available data, there are unclassified documents in the military, but that does not mean you can go around looking at it. Also the extent of the hack is still unreported. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Nonetheless I will still leave it up to garner a community census. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Which is why at this point, how significant this is is unknown, particularly compared to the phone network hacks earlier this previous month. As this happened earlier this month and only being reported on now, we should wait until we see if there's a serious diplomatic issue that develops. Masem (t) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Loretta Di Franco

Article: Loretta Di Franco (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oberon's Grove
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Nominator's comments: Soprano who performed more than 900 times at the Metropolitan Opera, many small roles and some lead roles. The article was mostly there, but the referencing not quite. The earliest obit is from 30 December, - we don't know (yet) when she died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jorge Lanata

Article: Jorge Lanata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Nominator's comments: Journalist from Argentina. It too me a pair of days to post this, as the article was mostly unreferenced and had to basically use WP:TNT. I hope that it is ready for RD status. Cambalachero (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Michael Newberry

Article: Michael Newberry (footballer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTE, BBC
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Nominator's comments: English-born Northern Irish footballer  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Jamshid bin Abdullah

Article: Jamshid bin Abdullah of Zanzibar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Atheer.om
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Nominator's comments: Last sultan of Zanzibar, claimant to the defunct throne since the monarchy was overthrown in 1964. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 10:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good, though it's also pretty short. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Oppose He is insignificant. Although he may be the heir, that is about the peak of his fame. Zanzibar is apart of Tanzania now and even then was a state that nobody cared about, both strategically and relevance. This would not be good for In the news but rather Did you know and even then, its very hard if that should appear on that page. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
FYI, for RD we normally only oppose due to the quality of the article. If it has an article, the subject is notable enough to appear in RD. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Linda Lavin

Article: Linda Lavin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (ABC)
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Nominator's comments: great loss actress and she deserves --QalasQalas 23:38, 2024 December 30 (UTC)

Ethiopian Truck Crash

Proposed image Article: 2024 Sidama truck crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ethiopian truck crash kills 71 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 71 people die in an Ethiopian truck crash
Alternative blurb II: ​ A truck falls off a bridge over the Ganale Doria River in Bona Zuria, Sidama Region, Ethiopia, killing 71 people and injuring 4 others.
News source(s):
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We can make an exception here. It's so tragical. ArionStar (talk) 02:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

December 29

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December 29, 2024 (2024-12-29) (Sunday)

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(REVIEWERS NEEDED) RD: Dada Masilo

Article: Dada Masilo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Internationally acclaimed South African dancer and choreographer, who transformed classical ballets into stories about today's characters, in a fusion with contemporary dance and African dancing. The article was stubbish, with lost references. There's still room for more detail, but I'm looking at the next two already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

2024 Estlink 2 incident

Note that I've moved the item to 29 Dec, the date of the ship's transfer to Porvoo (see ALT2), as otherwise, this would be stale by now. Schwede66 18:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Striking the stale original (25 Dec) blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 10:27, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
Proposed image Article: 2024 Estlink 2 incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The submarine power cable Estlink 2 is damaged by an oil tanker suspected of belonging to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Finnish police take over oil tanker Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2, is transferred to Porvoo for investigation.
News source(s): https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
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Nominator's comments: I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources. NotAGenious (talk) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Support - There was a covering of the Baltic Sea Disruptions in current events a few weeks ago. This is also notable due to rising geopolitical tensions. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 19:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Chadian parliamentary election

Proposed image Article: 2024 Chadian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chad holds its legislative elections that have been delayed several times since 2011. (Post)
News source(s):
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(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb Jimmy Carter

Proposed image Article: Jimmy Carter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former American president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former United States president and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former president of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Jimmy Carter dies at the age of 100.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Nobel Peace laureate and former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, behind the campaign to eradicate dracunculiasis, dies at 100.
News source(s): Washington Post
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Strong support blurb - A bit more of an update is needed, and a few floating "is" etc are still about, but obviously this should be a blurb. Departure– (talk) 21:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
These seem to have been fixed. Mooonswimmer 21:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Strong support - Death of a former president. SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 21:21, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Strong support blurb Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. - Sebbog13 (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Strong support blurb Oldest former U.S. president ever and it's a GA. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Strong support blurb This should be an uncontroversial one. No quality concerns. May he rest in peace.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

(Removed) Remove Ongoing: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon

Article: 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The Ongoing section would benefit from some shortening, and this item seems like the best candidate for removal. The Israeli incursion in Lebanon is not in the news anymore (and the last event mentioned in the article dates back to 17 Dec). This is in contrast to the war in Gaza, or Israel's actions in Yemen, which are much more prominently covered in global news. Khuft (talk) 19:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Support removing—looks like the most sensible thing to trim. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 23:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
There was a recent suggestion to include the entire listing of conflicts in the Middle East, but the problem is that they are not all directly related. While we can point to the Israel-Lebonon conflict as directly related to the Israel-Hamas one, events in Yemen or Syria are absolutely not part of that. That makes it all synthesis to combine them all. --Masem (t) 21:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Strong oppose not only has Israel violated the ceasefire almost every single day its been in force, but there is no signs that they are going to continue the ceasefire after its 60 days. Scuba 15:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Ongoing is not about if the event is still going on, but if the target article or an appropriate subarticle has been receiving updates, which has not been happening here. — Masem (t) 15:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Houston Tornado Outbreak

Good faith nom, but clear consensus against. charlotte 23:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Proposed image Article: Tornado outbreak of December 28–29, 2024 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tornado outbreak in the Houston Area killing 2 people and injuring many others (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2 people dead after tornado outbreak in the Houston area
Meh. oppose per below. EF 20:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Seems pretty minor, hard to find coverage outside the US media. Nfitz (talk) 20:44, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose - not important overall. @EF5: we hardly post tornado outbreaks on ITN, and the smallest one I think that got posted was Rolling Fork's outbreak. The most recent was March 31, 2023, and almost every outbreak since then (with the possible exceptions of May 25 and April 26) have been well below the bar of importance for ITN. I'll add conditional weak support if the record-breaking claim of the Port Arthur tornado's duration is confirmed, but I highly doubt that. Departure– (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose Not significant, at least not yet. Very minor. Setarip (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose The oddness here is how late in the year this came, likely a result of global warming, but even with that, the relatively small death toll makes this a minor outbreak in the larger scheme of things. --Masem (t) 21:00, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    Late-season outbreaks have always happened. We posted the last big December outbreak (the one in Kentucky, USA) on merit as an outbreak, not based on climate change. I couldn't tell you why actual climate-change related blurbs (such as the yearly "hottest day in history" blurbs) never get posted. Departure– (talk) 21:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    Because as long as there's little progress to stall climate change by major nations, these records are always going to get broken year after year. And the 2021 outbreak was likely posted due to the high death toll (70+). — Masem (t) 22:23, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose Tragic, but it’s a typical tornado outbreak. Two deaths is very small compared to very notable tornado outbreaks like the 2011 Super Outbreak. INeedSupport 🎄 21:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis

Proposed image Article: 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis continues with Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated and Salome Zourabichvili claiming to remain President. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 2024–2025 Georgian constitutional crisis continues with Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated while Salome Zourabichvili says she remains President.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Amidst opposition protests, Mikheil Kavelashvili inaugurated President of Georgia.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A governmental crisis occurs in Georgia, as Mikheil Kavelashvili is inaugurated as president while incumbent Salome Zourabichvili intends to remain in office.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Mikheil Kavelashvili is inaugurated as President of Georgia while incumbent Salome Zourabichvili intends to remain in office amidst a constitutional crisis.
News source(s): Al Jazeera; The Guardian; Associated Press; BBC
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Nominator's comments: The 2024–2025 Georgian post-election protests that have accompanied this crisis have been ongoing daily for two months with the biggest participation estimated at around 100,000 people - several percent of the total Georgian population. Boud (talk) 11:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment The expression "claiming that" is a bit WP:WEASELly; and Salome Zourabichvili stating that she retains her legitimacy as President would be more neutral, avoiding the connotation that Misplaced Pages is sceptical about her POV. I've added altblurb which seems less weaselly to me. Boud (talk) 11:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Ongoing? The nomination is not clear whether it's proposing this as an ongoing entry. Many other places have ongoing political tensions and rivalries so I reckon we need some big incident or civil war for this to stand out. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    The event itself - the overall crisis - is ongoing, but the Western mainstream media news coverage is not intense enough to justify ongoing in the ITN sense. This is not a proposal for ITN "Ongoing". In terms of the wording, it would be inaccurate to suggest that today's inauguration was a sudden crisis - it's a key symbolic event within the overall crisis - so "continuing" in the blurb is accurate. Boud (talk) 12:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Definitely has more encyclopedic value than the electoral college vote a few weeks earlier. Depending on how the world reacts, it could be a repeat of the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis. Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
oppose altblurb3 she has left the presidential palace. She cannot conduct an enforeceable actions such as signing bills.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
everybody knows who the new prez is after being sworn in with his predecessor leaving the presidential palace.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:46, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
Leaving Orbeliani Palace has some but not much significance; it's not the presidential palace, it's a presidential palace; Zourabichvili was the first president to reside there: "Salome Zurabishvili to relocate Presidential Residence from Avlabari to Orbeliani Palace", 29 Nov 2018. Boud (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Jeju Air Flight 2216

Proposed image Article: Jeju Air Flight 2216 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Jeju Air Boeing 737-800 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, after hitting a fence while attempting to land with 47 casualties reported out of 181 passengers on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 47 people are killed when a Jeju Air plane carrying 181 passengers crashed at Muan International Airport in South Korea.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Jeju Air Flight 2216 crashes at Muan International Airport, South Korea, killing at least 47.
News source(s): (Bloomberg)
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Nominator's comments: I think it needs a bit of work.

Absolutely three deadly crashes within a month. QalasQalas (talk) 02:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

December 28

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December 28, 2024 (2024-12-28) (Saturday)

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  • The Afghanistan's Taliban government bans windows overlooking to places "used by women", and says that existing ones should be blocked. (RFI)

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RD: Mary Anne Krupsak

Article: Mary Anne Krupsak (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Lieutenant governor of New York --Engineerchange (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Martin Karplus

Article: Martin Karplus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Theoretical chemist, Nobel Prize laureate Grimes2 (talk) 15:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Shigeko Sasamori

Article: Shigeko Sasamori (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Survivor of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and an advocate for peace and nuclear disarmament. Died on December 15. Death reported on December 28. TJMSmith (talk) 02:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

RD: Kari Dziedzic

Article: Kari Dziedzic (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ‘’Minnesota Public Radio’’
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sitting Minnesota state senator and former majority leader, hoping to expand the article a little/add electoral history and more details about political work, but also want to make sure we can clean up any issues with citations etc. that I didn’t catch. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 14:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Replaced the bad source with a reliable recent one that details the case. ~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 15:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Charles Dolan

Article: Charles Dolan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American billionaire businessman, founder of Cablevision and HBO. 240F:7A:6253:1:9DCE:E014:DC2:B389 (talk) 07:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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