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== My user page ==


I got a tag saying using the sandbox and everything, but the thing is, it was my own user talk page? --] 17:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


== response to message (March 27 2007) ==


when did i "blank out" info of ]. The only think i have done is remove wrong members of G-Unit.
--] 20:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


As cited by the "Official website" there are more then 4 members of G-Unit. Please do not remove cited content. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


== ] ==


Just as an FYI, I added a hangon tag to this page, as I don't believe it's a speedy deletion candidate (although it may prove non-notable, it does ''assert'' notability, and there are enough unique Google hits to lead me to believe that ] may exist to establish notability. I'm not, of course, claiming that such sources definitely exist . More information on ] - feel free to add your comments as well. ] 22:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


== Signature ==


==Karen Bausman==
Thanks for adding the unsigned note to one of my blocks. I didn't sign because I recall reading once that the vandalblock (indefinite) template doesn't take a signature, but perhaps I was confusing that with the "indefblockeduser" template that goes on the userpage. I think that may be right because Hagermanbot doesn't add signatures to these templates. But on balance maybe you're right that on the talkpage it's better to sign. Regards, ] 23:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi,


I'm sure I'm missing something, but I don't see any overlap between the text of her article, and the link you provided in the speedy tag. What parts are copyvio, exactly? Best wishes, ] 03:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:Then again, you may be right. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 23:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
This section is copy and past "copy vio". A rewrite would keep it from CSD G12. I will check back in a couple of days to see if any progress has been made, otherwise I will tag it again.


"Bausman's indelible mark on contemporary architecture has been widely acknowledged. In 1994 she was awarded the Rome Prize at a White House ceremony . In the same year, she was awarded The Cooper Union Citation for Outstanding Contributions to the Field of Architecture. She was elected a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome in 1995.
How is removing false claims, unhelpful?


In 2005 the city of New York awarded Bausman a Design and Construction Excellence contract as part of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's ambitious effort to improve the architectural quality of government-financed libraries, community centers, and other structures in New York ."
The article has no fact basis and there was no reason for reverting my edit.


Bausman undertook some high-profile interior work early in her career, including the New York headquarters for private clients Warner Bros. and Elektra Entertainment Group, offices that serve as important incubators in New York's vibrant entertainment scene . She also executed commissions for numerous private residences. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 23:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
== ] ==


==]==
I saw you reverted this page. It is suffering some vandalism at the moment, but I have been trying to build something useful there and a couple of my changes got lost. Is there anything wrong with ? I welcome any advice on what should/should not be included. When I figure out how to do it I would like to a table of local details as featured on other town pages. Thanks ] 10:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Sorry that you think my post is not relevant.....but I can assure you that it is.
I am truly sorry that some of your edits got lost in the revision of that article. That can some times happen when reverting multiple vandals. I hope you can find them. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Just ask the 90 thousand people that listen to my morning radio show every day.
No problem. I've restored them and taken the opportunity to improve the page. ] 12:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


== G-unit ==


thanks
There are only 4 members of ], just becuase there on ] doesnt mean there part of the group and check ]. If you knew anything about G-Unit you would know this.
--] 17:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


OK, I have an idea. If you can cite this supposed fact then you will need to do so. I will be adding a "citation needed" tag to that part of the article. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 17:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC) Please read] also Misplaced Pages is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products, or articles created as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, will be deleted in accordance with our ]. For more information, see ]. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


== indian (motorcycles): Fubar edit-reverts "explanation" ==
== Re: G-Unit Article ==


Dear Fubar
Hi Not sure if I am contacting the correct person but i have recently had a message that has informed me that my article is a copyright infringement of an article on AOL's Website.

Your "explanation" on 6 May about the reverts to my edits to this page still does not constitute an explanation - you have simply made the same bald assertion as before, that "the page is correct as it stands". It is demonstrably not correct, and you can see this for yourself by visiting this company's website. May I ask, are you in some way connected with this company? It is hard to thimk of any other reason why you would allow them to use a wikipedia page to advertise their product. Can you please address the issue I have raised in a way that is supported by facts, rather than as dogmatic assertion unsupported by any facts or explanation. Regards, TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 23:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:Comprehension level, grade school. The article ] is about the company history and the name Indian (motorcycle) then and now. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Akash page edits - not me! ==

Dear Fubar - further, on 6 May you seem to be attributing to me some edits that have occurred on a page about "Akash". This is not me. I have never visited this page, nor do I have any interest in its subject. Why have these edits been attributed to me?

Regards TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 23:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:The edit to ] was reverted by ] for page blanking from your IP. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

==]==

Greetings.

Thank you for your informative inquiry. I did not realize that my username was in conflict with Misplaced Pages policy. The origins of my username stem from the name of an autonomous robot I made for a robotics competition when I was younger. It has then transferred over into my username on the Internet. I would like to keep this username and I hope that this quells your concern over the matter.

Regards, ] 00:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


You may then want to go to ] as the policy is clear. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 01:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== indian (motorcycle) reverts - thanks for explanation, but now for facts! ==

Dear Fubar, Thanks for providing some explanation that at least now allows me to understand your viewpoint, which had been hidden from us up 'til now. However please note that I do not dispute the presence of information about this new "Indian" company on a page about the original Indian company of 1901 - 1953. What I dispute is (1) this new company placing an advert for its products on this page (which appears to go beyond "neutral"), and (2) the new company purporting to have the same founders, foundation date, and city location as the original company, which is plain incorrect and is contradicted by their own company website. I propose edits (see my previous "talk" entries above) which would allow the material they placed on the page to remain, but with the true founders, true year of foundation, and true location, substituted for the erroneous information that is there at present. Please, please, pretty-please, may I be allowed to make these changes? Regards, TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 05:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:You still just don't get it. The new company is originated from the old. The copyrights ect.. from the old, belong to the new. There may be a better way to explain this, but for now, trust me, the article is correct. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 15:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::"''For now, trust me, the article is correct''"&mdash;could you provide more explanation, please ~ ] 17:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The first part of the article is about the old Indian motorcycle company and it's founders, {George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedström) the decline and demise followed by the rebirth of the company "A new company with facilities in Gilroy, California began manufacturing motorcycles badged under the famous "Indian" name in 1999 '''after purchase of the Indian trademark'''". It's in the article, just need to read it. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 16:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar - me again (Tim). Two comments, one on a matter of substance, and one on a matter of style. Substance - purchase of a trademark does NOT mean the new company originated from the old. There is no corporate connection whatsoever. From the late fifties the Indian Sales Corporation simply stopped defending its rights to the Indian name and trademark, because they had no products with which to defend it. The Indian name became a flotsam of corporate America, with a number of firms laying spurious claim to it at one time or another but without clearly and definitively purchasing it from anyone. In the nineties two corporations both simultaneously laid claim, went to court over it, and Gilroy won (because they hurriedly made Harley clones with Indian badges to prove they had "Indian products"). The present company bought the "copyright" from Gilroy, and now plan to make another batch of Harley clones. Apart from the fact that they lucked out in getting rights to the Indian name which had gone undefended by the successors of the original Indian company for some fifty years, there is NO connection between this new "Indian" company and the original one that traded from 1901 to 1953 as manufacturers, and then traded for a further 10 years or so as a sales organisation selling British imports. This is a point that enthusiasts of "real" Indians feel passionately. The announcement of a new "Indian" is made at the end of the article - this ought to suffice. There is no need for an "advertisement" containing misleading information to also appear at the top of the article. I still propose that this misleading information be corrected, by substituting the information that appears in the company's own website.

On style - it is better that you do not make offensive comments that treat us like idiots, e.g. when you say things like "You still just don't get it". I feel that this approach is not within the spirit of wikipedia, to remain neutral, to carefully consider and to respect other people's opinions. We certainly do "get it" when it comes to Indian history, we know our stuff. I know you probably do have to deal with a lot of idiots on a daily basis, but don't assume that all newbies are idiots. You are supposed to be encouraging newcomers to become worthwhile wikipedians with words of guidance. We are willing to help improve the quality of the wikipedia entry, however you have no call to treat us like idiots. This is not the first time that this issue of style and behaviour has been raised with you. Regards- TIM

We? Who's we? Do you have the facts to back up your claim? <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do. It is set out in a number of Indian marque histories, for example, The Iron redskin by Harry Sucher, Indian Motorcycles by Jerry Hatfield, and Illustrated Indian Buyers Guide also by Jerry Hatfield. If you wish, I can scan relevant pages and email them to you. Best regards, TIM P.S. "We" are enthusiasts of the original Indian company's products.

You can leave links here on this talk page. And if you don't mind me asking how many of you use your user name besides you? <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
:Also could you ] by typing four tildes. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar - I'll gather some material at home tonight and lodge it here tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time now to consider my point of view. User name - do you mean my IP address? I work for a University which has about 2000 employees, all sharing this IP. This is why I opened a wikipedia account now.

Tim, read my last comment please. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try doing that now - TIM ] 03:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

AND NOW, LINKS:

This first one is by the loser of the Gilroy case, and sets out the whole history since 1953:

http://www.indiantrademark.net/

A short discussion of Indian trademark use and abuse appears at the end of this page by an impartial motorcycle historian - he makes the point that a lot of companies have done this, but none (including those recently successful in court)were a successor to, bought outright, or had any unbroken corporate link with, the original Indian Motorcycle Company founded by Hedstrom and Hendee:

http://www.kiwi-indian.com/100-years.html

According to this site, rights to the original Indian trademark fizzled out with English company AMC, who themselves ceased trading in the 1960s. US companies who "puchased" the trademark in the 1990s were actually in a race to claim in court a name that was owned by nobody in particular at that time.

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/compendium/I.htm

Here's another summary of all the attempts to cash in on the Indian name by companies with no connection to the original Indian company.

And this, showing that the latest company is British, with NO connection to the original Indian company, who bought the Indian name from a company who won the name in court afetr several competing claims were settled between companies ALL of whom had NO connection wiht the original Indian company.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/11/27/8394338/index.htm

I can find more if you want it, however web links are less authoritative than print sources which have been through an editorial process. Do you want me to provide print sources too, or do these websites provide enough evidence for this purpose?

Regards TIM ]

Dear Fubar - I checked my library at home last night, and found that print sources provide the most succinct summary of the Indian trademark story. Please allow me to quote from Illustrated Indian Motorcycle Buyers Guide by Jerry Hatfield, a noted American motorcycle historian.

"The English firm Brockhouse began financing Indian in mid-1949, when Indian started importing several brands of English motorcycles to be sold in Indian dealerships. A new marketing organization, Indian Sales, was formed to handle these English bikes. In early 1950, Brockhouse took control of Indian, and installed a new management plan which included killing 220cc singles and drastically reducing vertical twin production. Beginning in 1954, Indian dealers offered only the Brockhouse-built Corgi folding mini-bike and Royal Enfield motorcycles .... re-labelled as Indians. 1959 was the last year of the Royal Enfield charade. 1960-1963: Although no Indian-labeled motorcycles were forthcoming, for purposes of historical continuity I'll mention in passing the next phase of the Indian trademark. Associated Motorcycles (AMC) of Great Britain, manufacturers of AJS and Matchless motorcycles, bought the right to the Indian name in 1960. National Headquarters remained in the Springfield, Massachusetts, area to keep up the connection with Indian's roots. To their credit, AMC didn't bother to stick the Indian logo on any motorcycles. The AMC connection lasted until 1963, at which time the national distributorship for Matchless motorcycles passed into the hands of the Berliner Motor Corporation, and all references to the Indian name were dropped. This marked the last period in which the Indian logo could be continuously traced from its historic beginnings."

What happened next is described in another book "Indian motorcycles" by Jerry Hatfield and Hans Halberstadt.

"In 1959, the remnants of the once mighty Indian firm passed on to Associated Motorcycles, the British builders of Matchless and AJS. What the British bought was the network of Indian dealerships, which now became "Matchless-Indian dealers". From 1959 through 1962, these dealers sold Matchless motorcycles that were never labelled "Indian". In 1962, Associated Motorcycles sold their American operation to Joseph Berliner, who, thankfully, laid the Indian name to rest - at least for the time being.

So powerful is the Indian name that various attempts have been made over the years to resume production of the American-made classics. These efforts have varied in sincerity and effort, ranging from obvious scams to fruition in the form of prototype machines. In 1968, Floyd Clymer, former publisher of Cycle magazine, wasn't contested in his use of the Indian name on several imported two-wheelers. Following Clymer's death in 1970, his widow sold the so-called trademark rights to the new Indian Motorcycle Company of Gardena, California. This outfit imported minibikes and for a while operated its own factory in Taiwan before going broke in 1976.

From 1978 through 1990, in subplots to complicated to report here, the trademark supposedly passed through the hands of Mr Carmen De Leone, Derbi Motor Corporation, back to De Leone, then a half-interest to Phillip S. Zanghi .

"The others have made much ado about trademark claims. These claims are murky at best, each reaching back to the estate of the late Floyd Clymer, who apparently didn't purchase the trademark from "The Indian Company" of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts, last known legitimate trademark holder and importer of British-built Matchless Motorcycles."

Hatfield goes on to mention in an "Appendix: Indian timeline" that "The Indian Company" of Chicopee Falls, mass. went into liquidation in 1962. They did so without disposing of the Indian trademark or authorising its use by anybody else.

The websites above, and a quick google search using "indian motorcycle trademark", will soon illustrate what happened in the 1990s. Essentially the Indian name, not defended by any legitimate successor of the original company since 1962, was now "up for grabs". All the rival competing claims were consolidated into a single court case, and the judge found in favour of the company that was actually producing motorcycles bearing the Indian name, rather than just t-shirts or belt-buckles. The lucky winner was the Gilroy company, who has now sold this name to the present company mentioned in the wikipedia page.

I do not challenge the right of this company to use the Indian name on new motorcycles. I wish them all the best in their endeavours. I simply want to correct the impression created by the "advert" placed on the indian (motorcycles) wikipedia page that this new company has the same founders, date of foundation, and location, as the original Indian company that ceased manufacture in 1953. This is patently untrue. The corporate thread was broken in 1962 when Joe Berliner liquidated the company that was the last direct descendant of the original Indian company.

I propose that the edits I made earlier be allowed to stand: that the founders be "Steve Heese and Stephen Julius" not George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom, that the founding date be "2004" not 1901, and the founding location be "Kings Mountain, North Carolina" and the reference to Springfield, Mass., be deleted.

Best regards, TIM ] 22:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the main part of the article is about the old indian founded in 1901. You can start a new article but I am assuming that eventually it will be merged back into the original article.
As for the "Indian trademark use and abuse " you can always add a Controversy section to the article that claims to have purchaced the trademark, example, insted of the header, "The new Indian (1999-2003)" it could be "Controversy" and you can add the citations to this section. How ever, the date of 1901 and the founders "George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom" are historically correct. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 23:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar, please take the time to read the above print sources, and my editorial recommendations, carefully. There is no controversy from me that this new "Indian" company has purchased the Indian trademark and is entitled to use it (although there is certainly controversy from the Cow Creek Band- refer to the first link provided above). Rather, the controversy from me is whether or not this new "Indian" company is the same company as the original Indian company, with same founders, year of founding, and founding location. I have provided proof that it is not. The date 1901 and the founders Hendee and Hedstrom are only historically correct for the original Indian company that ceased manufacture of motorcycles in 1953 and was finally liquidated in 1962 without disposing of its trademark. No "Indian" company since 1962 has been entitled to claim 1901, Hendee & Hedstrom, and Springfield Mass., as its founding date, founders, and location. By adopting the small, simple editorial changes I have proposed, the indian (motorcycle) page can accurately reflect this. There is no need to start any new article, or add a controversy section. No other party is disputing here. Only you are disputing. You seem reluctant to adopt simple editorial changes, even when provided with clear evidence in support. You have me extremely puzzled. I ask again, can my proposed editorial changes be adopted? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice, and if "no", then you need to provide sound reasons. Regards TIM ] 06:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:The main part of the article is about the old Indian founded in 1901 and the founders "George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom". I would make no since to have Seve Heese and Stephen Julius as the key people when they are not. Seve Heese and Stephen Juliusare are not now nor have ever been the founders of the ] company that the article is about. The article is about the Indian (motorcycle) company that George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom founded in 1901. If you want to create an article about ] founded by Seve Heese and Stephen Juliusare you are free to do so but, what I said above would most likely happen. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 19:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Dear Fubar - okay, you make a good suggestion here, which I will be happy to have adopted if you are also in agreement. Following your logic to tackle the whole issue from a different direction, may I now propose that we leave intact the references to Hendee&Hedstrom, Springfield, and 1901 in that text-box at the top of the article, and simply delete from it the references in that same box to "Kings Mountain, North Carolina" and the web-link to the new company's web-page. This web-link is also present in the "external links" at the bottom of the article, so there is no need for it to be duplicated at the top in this text box. There is already sufficient information about the new Indian company in a short section at the bottom of the article, so I see no need to create a fresh article about this new company.

With those two small changes made (i.e. delete "Kings Mountain, North Carolina" and the web-link from the top box) the text box at the top of the page will then relate to the original Indian company, it will cease to be a surreptitious advertisment for a modern-day company's products in what is supposed to be a historical article about the Indian company of old, and the historical accuracy of the indian (motorcycle) page will be restored. Are you in agreement with this proposal? Regards TIM ] 20:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great. It's what I said yesterday...smiles... <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

To just let you know, the article like it is now is similar to past and present. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)



So ... what happens next? Should I go ahead and make these two edits, without worrying that I may be banned from the face of the earth? TIM ] 22:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 22:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar - I may need your help to delete the word "Headquarters" - the html is not co-operating with me. This word still appears in the text box when saved, but doesn't appear in the html code. Regards TIM ] 00:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It must be the nature of the info box. I tried to remove that section but failed. Best idea is to just leave it blank. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 00:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Okeydokes. TIM ] 01:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Akash edits - still not me ==

Dear Fubar, the Akash edits are not by me, however my IP belongs to an organisation with hundreds of employees so it is conceivable that someone else here did these edits. I have read the wikipedia "advantages of registration" page and now understand that registering with a user-name will help avoid me being punished for the sins of others. I have now registered, and will use my user name in future. Regards, TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 05:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

Very good. I hope you enjoy editing under your registered accout. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 15:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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I have appealed against you false allegation against me on the above page. ] 19:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Commented there. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 16:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

==God's Graveyard==

I fail to see how the above username is in any way offensive. The username doesn't imply anything about God, not to mention, it's not specific to any religion. It only has the word "god" in it. From a google search, apparently "God's Graveyard" is a potential translation of ], and as near as I can tell is not used anywhere in a derogatory way. At the very least, this is nothing like a blatant violation, so if you have a problem with the name, you need to discuss it with the user. And if they have good-faith contributions and you can't make a clear explanation as to why this name offends ''you'', I'd just drop it. If you think it might potentially offend someone ''else,'' but it doesn't offend you, I'd still drop it. See ]. (And, btw, the place to report usernames these days is ], not ]). ]]<sup>]</sup> 17:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up on ]. Im not sure why we even have ] in the policy if we are not going to follow it verbatim.Does ] trump policy? But never the less, I will drop it. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 17:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

:Reread ]. It prohibits usernames that are offensive, not really all usernames in all those subcategories. Also, re: Ganan, apparently it's been taken care of. ]]<sup>]</sup> 18:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::Who decides if the user name is offensive? I had help with restoring the page moves from {{User|Ganan}}, but thanks anyway. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, ] does not apply as the account is almost 6 months old. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 22:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

== Apology. ==

Allow me to apologize. I just get mad when users ruin other peoples' hard work through vandalism. Won't hpapen again ;]. ] 20:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to change all of the ones that you have done. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

== Question about deletion ==

I would like to know why you deleted the page for WhyAbe.com
First off, WhyAbe.com is a non-profit website and we get lots of questions about what it is used for and why it is free. It would be good to have in the Wiki world since many people ask questions about it.

Secondly, there are plenty of sites on wiki that are actual blatant advertisements and they are allowed to stay. Take for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/Iasta which is actually a for-profit company that sells the same things that whyabe offers for free.

Or look at http://en.wikipedia.org/Reverse_auction which is mainly an advertisement for another reverse auction vendor, carefully written so that it looks like a definition for something.

Or how about Ebay http://en.wikipedia.org/Ebay , which has pages and pages dedicated to it. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 15:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:I do not have the power to delete articles, that is left up to ] <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 16:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== re: Online colleges ==

Sure, but don't take my word for it, I'm not particularly interested in the subject. I proposed the merge since the content currently at ] isn't very well-written, but something from it could be incorporated somewhere else. The singular ] already redirects to the same article, so I just figured it could be a decent enough target. - ] 15:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

Would love to hear your basis for the tags. For source, though not on the web, the published material by the couty archivist seems more ] than lots of material on the web. And since it is not about him, it is about a building, it is like believing the congresional record for info about congress. For POV, suggest you just edit out whatever you think is biased.] 18:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:The section under "Today" is very much, a ] statment. Since I don't know much about the subject, I will let those who do fix the problem. This keeps me from stepping on other peoples toes. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Don't template the regulars==

Hi. I noticed that you ] or ] a ] to respond to or notify a regular editor ]. The main purpose of many of these templates is to inform the receiver of ] (e.g., that there is a ] of an article within a time period, that ] or ] can result in a ], that they can ] constructively ], etc.) It is likely that this editor knows this, and if he or she has breached or ignored these, ]. Thanks!<!-- ], based off of ] --> ]<sup>]</sup> 19:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Onassis Foods ==

(error..I mentioned the wrong company. I'm a bit busy and losing track of things)
I edited the article as best I could, using my own words.

I'm in no way affiliated with this company. It is a Greek company that employees Greeks and contributes to the Greek economy and is part of the country's history for almost 50 yrs. --] 22:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it ok to recreate this article as it is part of the ] topic? I'm not affiliated with any of the companies I've added to the ], I just like creating and editing articles about topics that relate to Greece and Cyprus. Cheers, FC. --] 11:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

== READ BEFORE REACTING ==

It would be a good idea to first read changes before reacting on your idea of information, not very good if one wants to have the truth of the orign of information, im a bit sick and tired of the editors in chief on this website that think they know more than the people who understand the orgins of the subjects that are listed. READ BEFORE REACTING! THANK YOU


THE ORDER OF THE DEFEATED DRAGON not just the order of the dragon.

I have made certain corrections on this artical firstly the 0rder was not created in 1408 but 1418 please see page 181 of the chivalry book ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD AWARDS AND THE HOLY SEE by Peter Bander van Duren, there have been many mistakes on the orgin and history of this order, it would be common sense of the writer of this artical to first verify the orgin of the order its true date and why it was created, it would be a bit strange if the sovereign lords who were the orders first members joined to protect the royal family of hungary? not a sensible reason for the time! The true history is as folllws the Order of the Defeated Dragon was formally established in the year 1418 by the Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund, after the Council of Constance, to defend the Church against the heretics, especially the Hussites. The defeated dragon is a symbol of the destruction of heresy. The Order flourished in Germany, and Italy. the order is not a order of the kingdom of hungary but the holy roman empire please note the aforementioned information. thank you


Please''''' DO NOT''''' delete content from Misplaced Pages. Please read ] to learn how to contribute to articles. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Ervin Santana==
No worries.] 21:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== read please! ==

It would be nice if you could contact me not just make threats on a subject you quite clearly know nothing about, thank you

:Try to be a little more ] when using the ] and also please read ] like you did


Also please read ] before adding to articles. Thank you. Oh and one last thing, please ] by typing four ]s ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button ] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I would just like to point ou tthat the article is not copyrighted by AOL and has been used by many other official sites.


==Shoreline and Morris Ruskin==
I, Being a G-Unit fan, find it very informative and it should therefore be left on the website for people whi wish to find out about G-Unit.


Hi,


I'm wondering what I can do to make my pages on "Shoreline Entertainment" and "Morris Ruskin" permissible for use. You mentioned that the photo is the one from imdb.com, but because it belongs to our company I figured it's ok. Let me know what I must do to correctly have the page up and running.
Thanks Thanks
HSKHAMESH


Please do not add copyrighted material to articles with out first getting the approval of the copyright holder. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC) Please read the comment I left on your talk page reguarding Copyright violations. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 22:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


I did what I think should cover it. Please let me know if the pages are now cleared or what else I must do. Thanks.
== Um... ==


That's not me. I'm the one who reverts the page back to normal (it was like that earlier). Apologies for "Piss off".--] 22:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Although I have taken the aforementioned changes, I have not heard back regarding the status of my new pages, so I am concerned they may be deleted without notice. What can I do to ensure that these pages are not deleted without my having a chance to work out their issues? I am doing my best to meet the Wikistandards but this is my first time and I would appreciate your guidance and reciprocity. Thank you.
I'm not too sure about that image up there at the moment, though (I'm pretty new to editing wikipedia)...--] 22:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


The hang on tag is good enough right now, however you may want to address the issue on the articles talk page where an ] may have time to review your comments also two other things. please read ] and please ] by typing four ]s ( &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126; ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button ] located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 23:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
== Peterborough ==


Hello. Why have you reverted my edits to Peterborough? ] 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks--] 23:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


am sorry sir i am a real fan of boro n i just wanted to point out we r the best team in the north east , i wasn't intending to vanalise the page once again i am realy sorry
==WP:AIV==
Thank you for making a report {{#if:{{{1|}}}|about {{userblock|{{{1}}}}}}} on ]. Reporting and removing vandalism is vital to the functioning of Misplaced Pages and ] to revert, warn, and report vandalism. However, administrators are generally only able to ] users if they have received a recent final ] (one that mentions that the user may be blocked) ''and'' they have recently vandalized after that warning was given. The reported user has not yet been blocked because it appears this has not occurred yet. If this user continues to vandalize even after their final warning, please report them to the AIV noticeboard again. {{{2|Thank you!}}} <!--Template:Uw-AIV--> - ''']''' ] 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi there
Sorry about that. There were two IP vandals with almost identicle IP's. I must have reported the wrong one. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Can I ask why you requested the article on UEFA Champions League 2008/09 be deleted. I can't quite understand why this should be, it may not be the next one that is coming up, but there are a lot of articles on this website that do this
:No problem and I've blocked the other IP. Keep up the good work. - ''']''' ] 20:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


e.g. F1 is in the 2007 season now, but there are pages created for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons.
Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


another example is the Olympic Games, this has articles for 2008, 2012 and even 2016 (which doesn't even have a venue yet)
== Proactiv ==


I'm not upset or moaning in this message, but I just want an answer pure and simple, why is it everytime I do something on wikipedia you go ahead and delete it, when 99% of the things I do are accurate.
I didn't vandalize the proactiv page, I also believe that the edit should not have been reverted because there are many products of proactiv besides the 4 included.


Please explain
==Q Television Network==
Hello. I noticed you reverted my cleanup of ]. I felt much of the information it contained was outdated and/or unencyclopedic. I'd be happy to discuss it with you if you feel otherwise. Please visit my Talk Page for more info and to share your own thoughts. Thanks! ] 19:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


Sheephead
Hi Fubar, just trying to get a handle on all this crazy talking business...


== About the 'Dragon Order' of Hungary ==
I just updated the Lego in Art section of the 'Lego' article, which you or a colleague reverted. It may have been reported unduly as'self promotion'.


I included some months ago exact informations about the Orders current state, and the promintent members of today.
While I was indeed adding information about my own company, I was also correcting and disambiguating various other inaccurate or vague information in that section. Reference to my work already existed in the section (and has now been reverted) that is vague or innacurate, which was primarily why I edited it. Additional information was also valid, accurate, and of broad interest. I removed various irrelevant points and links that were not, and also improved the grammar or, and clarified the content of, other material covered under that section. I also clarified or corrected numerous specific innacuracies (now reverted) with reference to terminologies used and to technical processes.
I see after i did that some people fully deleted it claiming its 'pseudo-aristocratic propaganda', but he also removed a huge part of other things. (some were already restored as i see, but not anything)


All of these improvements can be verified by following the associated links etc.


In Hungary the Order is a legal, existing thing also today.
I am letting you know this because I intend to reinstate the corrected information and consider it would be in peoples best interest if it essentially stayed there. My apologies for not discussing it first, this was my first wiki edit. Also, I hope I'm using this talk page correctly. My apologies if I am not
It is true some other nations deny it, but as it exists I don't know to react to its deletion, I am right now simply suprised.


Please do not add self promotion to Misplaced Pages articles. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


I am a Knight of the Order myself, that is why I thought a refreshing of the informations might be good on Misplaced Pages.
== ] ==
Thanks for the note about moving. I'm confused, though, when did I move it? Before your message, I don't think I'd even been to the page in over a year. -] 01:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


If needed I can proove it, or you can ask about the Order in the Hungarian Parliament or in any other way from the State.
Actually, the section that i was modifying has nothing to do with Russia or Japan, it had to do with Payment Methods. I was editing to say that JCB is no longer supported as of April 1st. I even provided a reference to the news article! No offense, but I was not expecting to have such a hard time contributing. *sigh*


== Your opinion needed, please ==


I hope the deleted part will be restored, it was mostly about the current situation.
Purgatory Fubar: If you are so inclined, could you please visit and offer your opinion to the debate there? Thanks. ] 03:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


What i don't understand is what that person meant under 'pseudo-aristocratic', as nobility is existing today in Hungary, just as in many other nations, like UK too.
== Lego ==
Hungary is not a Kingdom anymore, but that doesn't mean that after the end of the communistic era some things weren't restored.


As i never edited Misplaced Pages before this I was not able to include the current (a bit modern) seal of the order.
Re subsection, '''Lego in art'''. You reverted my changes to this section, which has now reverted back to being full of inaccuracies and poor construction - and there seems to be a block on my rechanging them. The changes are under discussion in the Lego discussion page, which if you visit, you should see that my changes were both valid and magnanimous in spirit.


== Proactiv ==


Thank you for listerning to me.
I didn't vandalize the proactiv page, I also believe that the edit should not have been reverted because there are many products of proactiv besides the 4 included.


] 01:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


== removal of a forum link from the folkestone page ==


PS: the Order was created in 1408. december 12 by the King and his wife, with the aid of Bishop Albeni Ébenhardt. I see even the creation date is disputed what is nonsene. Also it was started by the ruler, thus the Holy See only later acknowledged it (the Bishop was who 'allowed' it, but the Pope didn't know about it then yet)
Just wondering why you removed the folkestone forums link from the folkestone page, and not the onfolkestone forums link. Seems a tad unfair that whilst one gets to stay the other doesn't. Especially as Folkestone Forums has a portal that is being built up to include photographs and information on the town, and has members such a town councillor and up to date information on the towns development. ] 09:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


last time I didn't write a hungarian 'expansion' to the hungarian Misplaced Pages, only to the english in the hopes that it gets to more people this way, still here I link the hungarian page so you see the current informations reflect what I said about the creation date (above) and that the order was restored and that it is legitime in Hungary today (at the end of the page you see 2001, the date of the formal resurrection when one of the relatives of II.Rákóczi Ferenc himself became a knight)
tell me, what's wrong with my sources? or why do you delete valid text?


http://hu.wikipedia.org/S%C3%A1rk%C3%A1ny_Lovagrend
==Emeraldher==
That block has expired. If the editor wishes to edit anonymously now, that's fine. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 19:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


Also the Order has no 'defeated dragon' mentioned anywhere in its name, only 'dragon'.
== RE- Francis Lee ==


I have updated my father's (Francis Lee) profile, as we are doing research into his autobiography and he wished his wikpipedia article was updated, so that people can gain an insight of his life in full on here, before he releases his autobiography. This is all true information i have added this morning, after my friends had vandalized it yesterday on my account. If you do believe any of it to be untrue please contact me with what you think is untrue before deleting it and my father can verify it as truth. Thank you <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 10:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


You seem to have issues with others as well. See your talk page for further discussion. Thank you. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 00:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


== Links to Myspace ==


Again, köszönöm (thank you) for your understanding, and sorry if my english isn't correct.
I see you have removed all the official Myspace links to the former members of ]
please contact me about further informations if needed:


jorian@freemail.hu
Please do not remove these links to official sites - the "links to avoid" guidelines state "Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an '''official page''' of the article subject" and nowadays many artists/bands do not bother with the upkeep of a separate website and their official Myspace page is their only current web presence.


good bye
As the original band has split these are the only sites now maintained by its former members. ] 16:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


] sections 2,10 and 11. There is nothing "official" about a MySpace page. I could have created the pages. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 16:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


:You could also have created any artist/band's official website (please don't suggest deleting them all). The guidelines make an exception for links to pages that are the subject of the article - if it is stated that it is the artist/band's official page, I can see no reason to doubt it, however if you require a written statement from each band member concerned I am sure that could be obtained. ] 17:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


EDIT: just as an extra proove about the creation time:
This should end this debate.


"Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject—and not '''prohibited by restrictions on linking'''—one should avoid:


http://www.honvedelem.hu/hirek/kiadvanyok/honved_altiszti_folyoirat/nagy_magyar_kitunteteskonyv
Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article.
Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research. See Reliable sources.
Links mainly intended to promote a website.
Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services. For example, instead of linking to a commercial bookstore site, use the "ISBN" linking format, giving readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources.
Links to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising.
Links to sites that require payment or registration to view the relevant content.
Sites that are inaccessible to a substantial number of users, such as sites that only work with a specific browser.
Direct links to documents that require external applications (such as Flash or Java) to view the relevant content, unless the article is about such rich media. If you do link to such material make a note of what application is required.
Links to search engine and aggregated results pages.
'''Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET.'''
'''Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority.'''
Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.
Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article. A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject. Similarly, a website on a specific subject should usually not be linked to an article about a general subject. If a section of a general website is devoted to the subject of the article, and meets the other criteria for linking, then that part of the site could be deep-linked." <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 17:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


a link to the Hungarian Army's homepage, an article about past deeds and awards.
:Yes, I agree that links to personal Myspace pages are unreliable, however I believe the above exception should be applied to the official music pages of an artist or band if this is currently being used as their official website and can be verified as such. ] 17:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


I think you don't understand hungarian, but if you click 'search' in Firefox/Explorer (or anything else) and then you type 'sárkány' (what means dragon in hungarian) you get as result the place where the date is stated : 1408
It would need to be verified. But even then it still violates ] <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 17:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Wikipedias very own article about the Rákóczi family to show that part is also true about the relative


http://en.wikipedia.org/R%C3%A1k%C3%B3czi
:I have noticed that an increasing number of British bands /artists are using their UK Myspace music pages as their only "official" webspace, (I don't know if this also applies on the US site) and there are already many links to bona fide "official" Myspace pages in Misplaced Pages, so perhaps it is the Wiki guidelines that need to be updated? ] 18:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


:You may want to ] for policy change. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


As you see the army homepage is real, so I hope this is enough to assure you that I say the truth.
:: This matter has already been discussed at great length on the appropriate ] and the general consensus seems to be that links to official band sites on Myspace are allowed as there is not a blanket ban on external links to Myspace sites, just to blogs. It is also pointed out that the guidelines (it is not actually Misplaced Pages policy to delete all such links) are not set in stone, and that common sense should be used in interpreting them. If there is no reason to doubt the validity of the site it may be used as a link, and the fact that it happens to be on Myspace should not be the sole reason for its deletion.] 00:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
If not, then please just contact me via e-mail, as i meantioned it before.


Even the bosnian 'wikipedia bot'was making a connection to it after I made my edits on the article, but before it got vandalized and a huge part deleted, even that states 1408:
The MOS has not changed. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 16:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


http://pt.wikipedia.org/Ordem_do_Drag%C3%A3o
:Sorry, I am not familiar with the term "MOS", please explain. ] 21:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


(but i have to admit I don't understand bosnian, the date can still be seen perfetly)
MOS = Manual of Style. "This page is part of the Manual of Style, and is considered a guideline for Misplaced Pages. The consensus of many editors formed the conventions described here, and Misplaced Pages articles should heed these guidelines. Before making any major changes to these guidelines, please use the discussion page to ensure that your changes reflect consensus." <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:26, 25 April 2007 (UTC)


==OMD==


Thank you, and bye again
I don't know why I'm being accused of vandalism here. I am fixing the links to pages, and you keep reverting them, which results in double redirects and broken links. Please explain to me why you keep accusing my helping as vandalism. ] 18:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


== Hello concerning the Order of the defeated dragon not just of the order of the dragon ==
Who accused you of vandalism? <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Please can you show your source reference concerning your own view that it was just called the order of the dragon my reference is shown on the comments page at the base, thanks, ps unless you can give the above i will seek wikipedia attention on the true title of the order.
== Thanks ==


== Life Fitness article ==
For the revert on my Talk page. Happy editing, ]<small>&nbsp;(]·])</small> 20:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey I just wanted to ask if the speedy deletion had been avoided on my 'Life Fitness' article. On my talk page it says so but I just wanted to double check. Thanks
YW. :). <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


== recent change correction == == The Townsend 9 ==


I don't understand what's wrong with the new page 'The Towsend 9'. It's an article about a unique type of sport/golf course. If is the advertisement of the tournament date, that has been removed. Otherwise, please clarify.
The change I recently made to the Megaminx page I belive is helpfull.
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I rerouted the web site becsue I wanted to make it easier for the users to find the web site link. The present link just rerouted the user it another web site which i changed it to. I relize that I bypassed the geocites web site all together.


Wasn't an attack.
I don't understand all of the copyright laws and I know the people at wikipedia take them very seriously. You were correct to fix my mistake if I am breaking some sort of copyright, but I belive I wasn't.
Was an opinion.
As are all these articles.


== This Burning Earth ==
Thanks :)
Keep up the good work. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 20:50, 22 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


There may not be a ton of 'notable' places to find information about This Burning Earth, but that's mostly due to the fact that their album is not signed by a major label. They are as of now still self-producing every album and t-shirt sold.
Thank you for bringing that up. I turnes out that two of the links are java links and deleted per ] section 8. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


== Signatue size == == Yep ==


Would you reduce the font size of your signature? It is too big. ] ] 19:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC) Thanks for seeing that. I restored ]. ] ] 05:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


I understand LoveStill might not be a known term in neologism, but what i have done is create a word that describes not only people in the present but also from the past. There are many people in this world who undergo this type of confusion and pain I only wished to put it into words so that maybe others can understand their not alone and maybe break their LoveStill. Its not something i just came up with in a whim, I discovered LoveStill doing case studies for my pyschology class and wished to only receive peoples collective input in which only Misplaced Pages offers
Small.
<span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span>


I understand LoveStill might not be a known term in neologism, but what i have done is create a word that describes not only people in the present but also from the past. There are many people in this world who undergo this type of confusion and pain I only wished to put it into words so that maybe others can understand their not alone and maybe break their LoveStill. Its not something i just came up with in a whim, I discovered LoveStill doing case studies for my pyschology class and wished to only receive peoples collective input in which only Misplaced Pages offers.--] 08:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Medium.
<span style="color:blue;font-size:Medium;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span>


You suck
Large.
<span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span>


== ] ==
It could be my font, most people have it. Monotype Corsiva you can get it here http://freefontlibrary.com/
or here
http://register.free-fonts-online.com/index.aspx?s=frzfonts&f=1723217&pop=2&c=16300&reftrid=27dc9fd3-d9cd-4c90-acf1-43f24cfa1141&fn=Google-206319368Broad. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:11, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


The reason I wanted to know about ] is because I wanted to know what ] that the ] was filmed in, who the characters were and things like that.
::That small one is fine, the others are all too big. ] ] 21:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


== whatever ==
I would like to see it as you see it. It looks the same size to any one who has this font. Maybe I will change it up abit. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


I cannot find secondary sources for Celio, partly because I live in America and do not know French, and even though probably there are articles and pages on Celio in English that are secondary, I really do not know what "Secondary" means. I think that my sources are credible enough. Look at Alfred Dunner. I created that article and it only sights the website, but yet there is no problem there.--] 05:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
May be this one? Twentieth Century Poster1. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


sorry i sent this to the wrong user.
The other font is much nicer. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


Why it is a cartoon series some guy made!! I think every one has the right to make what they want
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I was not vandalizing Lisa Garland's page, the Plant that grows in Silent Hill is White CLaudia, which is the drug that Lisa is using during the game. It's NOT PTV, it's White Claudia. Look it up.


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White Claudia is the plant, PTV is derived from the plant (like poppy plant to opium) so the article,PTV is correct. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Large;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey, you know that if you agree with a ] of an article, you can use the {{tl|prod2}} template to show this. --] 06:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
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May I ask why you reverted the ] article, which redirected to an article about a TV station (]) that had no mention of (or relation to, as far as I know, other than proximity) KJEF, back to the redirect? ] 20:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


Are you an admin? Do you have banning powers? These vandals have been at it all night ]|] 06:17, 9 July 2007 (GMT)
] has been incorporated into ]. No further article is needed. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


I don't understand what the problem is with 'The Townsend 9' page. Please leave a message for me to tell me how to fix it.
I have removed the redirect. The article should no be there. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 20:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


== I'm confused by why sources documents are being deleted? ==
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I'm confused by why sources documents are being deleted?
Dear Fubar

mpn

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Just to let you know that this wasn't vandalism - we have a knowledgeable editor on this page who prefers to edit as an IP. Not quite sure why you thought it was bearing in mind the title of the article but thought I should warn you as he may look like a persistent vandal as he does edit on a semi-regular basis to such pages. ] 06:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I have attempted to alter what appears to be an advertisement for a company that intends to start production of a new motorcycle bearing the Indian name. My changes appear to have been reverted, however. Their advertisement is misleading in that it claims their company was founded in Springfield in 1901 by George Hendee and Oscar Hedstrom. These facts only relate to the original Indian company, which ceased manufacture of motorcycles in 1953. I wish to either delete this advertisement altogether, or replace its data with "Founded 2004, Key people Steve Heese and Stephen Julius, Products - new motorcycles bearing the Indian name" (data obtained form the company website). These changes would, I belive, maintain the wikipedia ethos of being factual and neutral. Can I ask that these changes be adopted? Similarly, the link to this company on the external links section needs to be explicit that this link relates to a new motorcyle not yet being manufactured, and not to the original 1901-1953 Indians. Regards, TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 21:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


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The article as it stands now is correct. DO NOT delete content from this article again or vandalize it again or you will be '''blocked''' from editing. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 21:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


Why is my article about Jack Barakat from All Time Low marked for deletion?
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Thanks for reverting vandalism on my userpage! That's twice in one day... :-\ ] <sup>] ] ]</sup> 00:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
YW. :) <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 00:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


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Hello,


Whoever made the edits you claim were me about Current etc. was not me.
You deleted my entry to the article pertaining to the film fracture. I changed the article because I had just seen the film yesterday, and Anthony Hopkins character is NOT a structural engineer. A prominent airplane model is shown in his office, as is the construction of a plane at the beginning. At one point his secretary anwsers the phone "Crawford Avionics". Also, given the fact that the character resides in a palatial hilltop LA estate it is fairly safe to say that his level of affluence surpasses that of a structural engineer.
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Dear FUBAR friend,
Thank you <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 17:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
I did not make the changes you mentioned in messages to me.
I myself am a calm and pleasant 49 year old working wife of a 50 year old husband and mother of three adult sons, and a PT RN student.
I drive a rather tired 2K Chevy van, and dream of an original red Karmann Ghia coupe convertable.
I would appreciate your lifting the undeserved censure and ban on me.
I didn't do the reprehensible deed.
Sincerely,
Vicki] (]) 16:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


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:Ted Crawford (Anthony Hopkins) is a structural engineer. That is his profession. So the article is correct. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 18:17, 29


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A company is turning this history page into an advertisement for their products, which bear no relation to the page's subject matter apart from the fact that they also have two wheels. Preferably their advertising copy should be deleted, however I have instead proposed changes which allow their material to stay but avoids implying that this new company has any connection whatsoever to the Indian company of the classic era. I hope these changes can be adopted. Regards TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 04:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


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I just saw your response to my earlier suggested change on this page, in which you state "this article is correct as it stands". This is contradicted, however, by the company's own website which states that its key personnel are "Steve Heese and Stephen Julius" (not George Hendee and Carl Hedstrom), that they have been operating since "2004" not 1901, and that they are in "North Carolina" not Springfield, and they are not even making any motorcycles yet. The advert on this page appears to be a shameless attempt to cash in on the reputation of the Indian motorcycles of the classic era - a company and products which their own bear no relation to. I was under the impression that adding such material for such a purpose was "un-wikipedian" and ought to be removed. Please advise me if my impression is wrong. Regards, TIM <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 04:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


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Red links are not needed. If some one want to created an article thats fine but one should avoid red links. <span style="color:blue;font-size:Small;font-family:Twentieth Century Poster1;">] <sup> ]</sup> or ]</span> 15:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


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Karen Bausman

Hi,

I'm sure I'm missing something, but I don't see any overlap between the text of her article, and the link you provided in the speedy tag. What parts are copyvio, exactly? Best wishes, Xoloz 03:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC) This section is copy and past "copy vio". A rewrite would keep it from CSD G12. I will check back in a couple of days to see if any progress has been made, otherwise I will tag it again.

"Bausman's indelible mark on contemporary architecture has been widely acknowledged. In 1994 she was awarded the Rome Prize at a White House ceremony . In the same year, she was awarded The Cooper Union Citation for Outstanding Contributions to the Field of Architecture. She was elected a Fellow of the American Academy in Rome in 1995.

In 2005 the city of New York awarded Bausman a Design and Construction Excellence contract as part of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg's ambitious effort to improve the architectural quality of government-financed libraries, community centers, and other structures in New York ."

Bausman undertook some high-profile interior work early in her career, including the New York headquarters for private clients Warner Bros. and Elektra Entertainment Group, offices that serve as important incubators in New York's vibrant entertainment scene . She also executed commissions for numerous private residences. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 23:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Shamrock

Sorry that you think my post is not relevant.....but I can assure you that it is.

Just ask the 90 thousand people that listen to my morning radio show every day.


thanks

Please readWP:BIO also Misplaced Pages is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products, or articles created as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, will be deleted in accordance with our Misplaced Pages:deletion policies. For more information, see Misplaced Pages:Spam. Thank you. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 20:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

indian (motorcycles): Fubar edit-reverts "explanation"

Dear Fubar

Your "explanation" on 6 May about the reverts to my edits to this page still does not constitute an explanation - you have simply made the same bald assertion as before, that "the page is correct as it stands". It is demonstrably not correct, and you can see this for yourself by visiting this company's website. May I ask, are you in some way connected with this company? It is hard to thimk of any other reason why you would allow them to use a wikipedia page to advertise their product. Can you please address the issue I have raised in a way that is supported by facts, rather than as dogmatic assertion unsupported by any facts or explanation. Regards, TIM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.120.8.67 (talk) 23:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

Comprehension level, grade school. The article Indian (motorcycle) is about the company history and the name Indian (motorcycle) then and now. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 18:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Akash page edits - not me!

Dear Fubar - further, on 6 May you seem to be attributing to me some edits that have occurred on a page about "Akash". This is not me. I have never visited this page, nor do I have any interest in its subject. Why have these edits been attributed to me?

Regards TIM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.120.8.67 (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

The edit to Akash was reverted by MartinBot for page blanking from your IP. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 18:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Bobabot1

Greetings.

Thank you for your informative inquiry. I did not realize that my username was in conflict with Misplaced Pages policy. The origins of my username stem from the name of an autonomous robot I made for a robotics competition when I was younger. It has then transferred over into my username on the Internet. I would like to keep this username and I hope that this quells your concern over the matter.

Regards, Bobabot1 00:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


You may then want to go to WP:RFCN as the policy is clear. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 01:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

indian (motorcycle) reverts - thanks for explanation, but now for facts!

Dear Fubar, Thanks for providing some explanation that at least now allows me to understand your viewpoint, which had been hidden from us up 'til now. However please note that I do not dispute the presence of information about this new "Indian" company on a page about the original Indian company of 1901 - 1953. What I dispute is (1) this new company placing an advert for its products on this page (which appears to go beyond "neutral"), and (2) the new company purporting to have the same founders, foundation date, and city location as the original company, which is plain incorrect and is contradicted by their own company website. I propose edits (see my previous "talk" entries above) which would allow the material they placed on the page to remain, but with the true founders, true year of foundation, and true location, substituted for the erroneous information that is there at present. Please, please, pretty-please, may I be allowed to make these changes? Regards, TIM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.120.8.67 (talk) 05:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

You still just don't get it. The new company is originated from the old. The copyrights ect.. from the old, belong to the new. There may be a better way to explain this, but for now, trust me, the article is correct. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 15:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
"For now, trust me, the article is correct"—could you provide more explanation, please ~ Anthony 17:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

The first part of the article is about the old Indian motorcycle company and it's founders, {George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedström) the decline and demise followed by the rebirth of the company "A new company with facilities in Gilroy, California began manufacturing motorcycles badged under the famous "Indian" name in 1999 after purchase of the Indian trademark". It's in the article, just need to read it. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 16:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar - me again (Tim). Two comments, one on a matter of substance, and one on a matter of style. Substance - purchase of a trademark does NOT mean the new company originated from the old. There is no corporate connection whatsoever. From the late fifties the Indian Sales Corporation simply stopped defending its rights to the Indian name and trademark, because they had no products with which to defend it. The Indian name became a flotsam of corporate America, with a number of firms laying spurious claim to it at one time or another but without clearly and definitively purchasing it from anyone. In the nineties two corporations both simultaneously laid claim, went to court over it, and Gilroy won (because they hurriedly made Harley clones with Indian badges to prove they had "Indian products"). The present company bought the "copyright" from Gilroy, and now plan to make another batch of Harley clones. Apart from the fact that they lucked out in getting rights to the Indian name which had gone undefended by the successors of the original Indian company for some fifty years, there is NO connection between this new "Indian" company and the original one that traded from 1901 to 1953 as manufacturers, and then traded for a further 10 years or so as a sales organisation selling British imports. This is a point that enthusiasts of "real" Indians feel passionately. The announcement of a new "Indian" is made at the end of the article - this ought to suffice. There is no need for an "advertisement" containing misleading information to also appear at the top of the article. I still propose that this misleading information be corrected, by substituting the information that appears in the company's own website.

On style - it is better that you do not make offensive comments that treat us like idiots, e.g. when you say things like "You still just don't get it". I feel that this approach is not within the spirit of wikipedia, to remain neutral, to carefully consider and to respect other people's opinions. We certainly do "get it" when it comes to Indian history, we know our stuff. I know you probably do have to deal with a lot of idiots on a daily basis, but don't assume that all newbies are idiots. You are supposed to be encouraging newcomers to become worthwhile wikipedians with words of guidance. We are willing to help improve the quality of the wikipedia entry, however you have no call to treat us like idiots. This is not the first time that this issue of style and behaviour has been raised with you. Regards- TIM

We? Who's we? Do you have the facts to back up your claim? Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 21:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I do. It is set out in a number of Indian marque histories, for example, The Iron redskin by Harry Sucher, Indian Motorcycles by Jerry Hatfield, and Illustrated Indian Buyers Guide also by Jerry Hatfield. If you wish, I can scan relevant pages and email them to you. Best regards, TIM P.S. "We" are enthusiasts of the original Indian company's products.

You can leave links here on this talk page. And if you don't mind me asking how many of you use your user name besides you? Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 21:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Also could you please sign your comment by typing four tildes. Thank you. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 21:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar - I'll gather some material at home tonight and lodge it here tomorrow. Thanks for taking the time now to consider my point of view. User name - do you mean my IP address? I work for a University which has about 2000 employees, all sharing this IP. This is why I opened a wikipedia account now.

Tim, read my last comment please. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 21:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try doing that now - TIM 144.120.8.67 03:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

AND NOW, LINKS:

This first one is by the loser of the Gilroy case, and sets out the whole history since 1953:

http://www.indiantrademark.net/

A short discussion of Indian trademark use and abuse appears at the end of this page by an impartial motorcycle historian - he makes the point that a lot of companies have done this, but none (including those recently successful in court)were a successor to, bought outright, or had any unbroken corporate link with, the original Indian Motorcycle Company founded by Hedstrom and Hendee:

http://www.kiwi-indian.com/100-years.html

According to this site, rights to the original Indian trademark fizzled out with English company AMC, who themselves ceased trading in the 1960s. US companies who "puchased" the trademark in the 1990s were actually in a race to claim in court a name that was owned by nobody in particular at that time.

http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/compendium/I.htm

Here's another summary of all the attempts to cash in on the Indian name by companies with no connection to the original Indian company.

And this, showing that the latest company is British, with NO connection to the original Indian company, who bought the Indian name from a company who won the name in court afetr several competing claims were settled between companies ALL of whom had NO connection wiht the original Indian company.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/11/27/8394338/index.htm

I can find more if you want it, however web links are less authoritative than print sources which have been through an editorial process. Do you want me to provide print sources too, or do these websites provide enough evidence for this purpose?

Regards TIM 144.120.8.67

Dear Fubar - I checked my library at home last night, and found that print sources provide the most succinct summary of the Indian trademark story. Please allow me to quote from Illustrated Indian Motorcycle Buyers Guide by Jerry Hatfield, a noted American motorcycle historian.

"The English firm Brockhouse began financing Indian in mid-1949, when Indian started importing several brands of English motorcycles to be sold in Indian dealerships. A new marketing organization, Indian Sales, was formed to handle these English bikes. In early 1950, Brockhouse took control of Indian, and installed a new management plan which included killing 220cc singles and drastically reducing vertical twin production. Beginning in 1954, Indian dealers offered only the Brockhouse-built Corgi folding mini-bike and Royal Enfield motorcycles .... re-labelled as Indians. 1959 was the last year of the Royal Enfield charade. 1960-1963: Although no Indian-labeled motorcycles were forthcoming, for purposes of historical continuity I'll mention in passing the next phase of the Indian trademark. Associated Motorcycles (AMC) of Great Britain, manufacturers of AJS and Matchless motorcycles, bought the right to the Indian name in 1960. National Headquarters remained in the Springfield, Massachusetts, area to keep up the connection with Indian's roots. To their credit, AMC didn't bother to stick the Indian logo on any motorcycles. The AMC connection lasted until 1963, at which time the national distributorship for Matchless motorcycles passed into the hands of the Berliner Motor Corporation, and all references to the Indian name were dropped. This marked the last period in which the Indian logo could be continuously traced from its historic beginnings."

What happened next is described in another book "Indian motorcycles" by Jerry Hatfield and Hans Halberstadt.

"In 1959, the remnants of the once mighty Indian firm passed on to Associated Motorcycles, the British builders of Matchless and AJS. What the British bought was the network of Indian dealerships, which now became "Matchless-Indian dealers". From 1959 through 1962, these dealers sold Matchless motorcycles that were never labelled "Indian". In 1962, Associated Motorcycles sold their American operation to Joseph Berliner, who, thankfully, laid the Indian name to rest - at least for the time being.

So powerful is the Indian name that various attempts have been made over the years to resume production of the American-made classics. These efforts have varied in sincerity and effort, ranging from obvious scams to fruition in the form of prototype machines. In 1968, Floyd Clymer, former publisher of Cycle magazine, wasn't contested in his use of the Indian name on several imported two-wheelers. Following Clymer's death in 1970, his widow sold the so-called trademark rights to the new Indian Motorcycle Company of Gardena, California. This outfit imported minibikes and for a while operated its own factory in Taiwan before going broke in 1976.

From 1978 through 1990, in subplots to complicated to report here, the trademark supposedly passed through the hands of Mr Carmen De Leone, Derbi Motor Corporation, back to De Leone, then a half-interest to Phillip S. Zanghi .

"The others have made much ado about trademark claims. These claims are murky at best, each reaching back to the estate of the late Floyd Clymer, who apparently didn't purchase the trademark from "The Indian Company" of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts, last known legitimate trademark holder and importer of British-built Matchless Motorcycles."

Hatfield goes on to mention in an "Appendix: Indian timeline" that "The Indian Company" of Chicopee Falls, mass. went into liquidation in 1962. They did so without disposing of the Indian trademark or authorising its use by anybody else.

The websites above, and a quick google search using "indian motorcycle trademark", will soon illustrate what happened in the 1990s. Essentially the Indian name, not defended by any legitimate successor of the original company since 1962, was now "up for grabs". All the rival competing claims were consolidated into a single court case, and the judge found in favour of the company that was actually producing motorcycles bearing the Indian name, rather than just t-shirts or belt-buckles. The lucky winner was the Gilroy company, who has now sold this name to the present company mentioned in the wikipedia page.

I do not challenge the right of this company to use the Indian name on new motorcycles. I wish them all the best in their endeavours. I simply want to correct the impression created by the "advert" placed on the indian (motorcycles) wikipedia page that this new company has the same founders, date of foundation, and location, as the original Indian company that ceased manufacture in 1953. This is patently untrue. The corporate thread was broken in 1962 when Joe Berliner liquidated the company that was the last direct descendant of the original Indian company.

I propose that the edits I made earlier be allowed to stand: that the founders be "Steve Heese and Stephen Julius" not George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom, that the founding date be "2004" not 1901, and the founding location be "Kings Mountain, North Carolina" and the reference to Springfield, Mass., be deleted.

Best regards, TIM 144.120.8.67 22:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the main part of the article is about the old indian founded in 1901. You can start a new article but I am assuming that eventually it will be merged back into the original article. As for the "Indian trademark use and abuse " you can always add a Controversy section to the article that claims to have purchaced the trademark, example, insted of the header, "The new Indian (1999-2003)" it could be "Controversy" and you can add the citations to this section. How ever, the date of 1901 and the founders "George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom" are historically correct. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 23:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar, please take the time to read the above print sources, and my editorial recommendations, carefully. There is no controversy from me that this new "Indian" company has purchased the Indian trademark and is entitled to use it (although there is certainly controversy from the Cow Creek Band- refer to the first link provided above). Rather, the controversy from me is whether or not this new "Indian" company is the same company as the original Indian company, with same founders, year of founding, and founding location. I have provided proof that it is not. The date 1901 and the founders Hendee and Hedstrom are only historically correct for the original Indian company that ceased manufacture of motorcycles in 1953 and was finally liquidated in 1962 without disposing of its trademark. No "Indian" company since 1962 has been entitled to claim 1901, Hendee & Hedstrom, and Springfield Mass., as its founding date, founders, and location. By adopting the small, simple editorial changes I have proposed, the indian (motorcycle) page can accurately reflect this. There is no need to start any new article, or add a controversy section. No other party is disputing here. Only you are disputing. You seem reluctant to adopt simple editorial changes, even when provided with clear evidence in support. You have me extremely puzzled. I ask again, can my proposed editorial changes be adopted? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice, and if "no", then you need to provide sound reasons. Regards TIM 144.120.8.67 06:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The main part of the article is about the old Indian founded in 1901 and the founders "George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom". I would make no since to have Seve Heese and Stephen Julius as the key people when they are not. Seve Heese and Stephen Juliusare are not now nor have ever been the founders of the Indian (motorcycle) company that the article is about. The article is about the Indian (motorcycle) company that George M. Hendee and Carl Oscar Hedstrom founded in 1901. If you want to create an article about The new Indian (motorcycle) founded by Seve Heese and Stephen Juliusare you are free to do so but, what I said above would most likely happen. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 19:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Dear Fubar - okay, you make a good suggestion here, which I will be happy to have adopted if you are also in agreement. Following your logic to tackle the whole issue from a different direction, may I now propose that we leave intact the references to Hendee&Hedstrom, Springfield, and 1901 in that text-box at the top of the article, and simply delete from it the references in that same box to "Kings Mountain, North Carolina" and the web-link to the new company's web-page. This web-link is also present in the "external links" at the bottom of the article, so there is no need for it to be duplicated at the top in this text box. There is already sufficient information about the new Indian company in a short section at the bottom of the article, so I see no need to create a fresh article about this new company.

With those two small changes made (i.e. delete "Kings Mountain, North Carolina" and the web-link from the top box) the text box at the top of the page will then relate to the original Indian company, it will cease to be a surreptitious advertisment for a modern-day company's products in what is supposed to be a historical article about the Indian company of old, and the historical accuracy of the indian (motorcycle) page will be restored. Are you in agreement with this proposal? Regards TIM 144.120.8.67 20:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great. It's what I said yesterday...smiles... Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 21:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

To just let you know, the article like it is now is similar to indianchiefmotorcycles.com past and present. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 21:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


So ... what happens next? Should I go ahead and make these two edits, without worrying that I may be banned from the face of the earth? TIM 144.120.8.67 22:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds great. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 22:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fubar - I may need your help to delete the word "Headquarters" - the html is not co-operating with me. This word still appears in the text box when saved, but doesn't appear in the html code. Regards TIM 144.120.8.67 00:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It must be the nature of the info box. I tried to remove that section but failed. Best idea is to just leave it blank. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 00:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Okeydokes. TIM 144.120.8.67 01:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Akash edits - still not me

Dear Fubar, the Akash edits are not by me, however my IP belongs to an organisation with hundreds of employees so it is conceivable that someone else here did these edits. I have read the wikipedia "advantages of registration" page and now understand that registering with a user-name will help avoid me being punished for the sins of others. I have now registered, and will use my user name in future. Regards, TIM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.120.8.67 (talk) 05:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Very good. I hope you enjoy editing under your registered accout. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 15:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrator's noticeboard

I have appealed against you false allegation against me on the above page. Varsdra 19:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Commented there. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 16:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

God's Graveyard

I fail to see how the above username is in any way offensive. The username doesn't imply anything about God, not to mention, it's not specific to any religion. It only has the word "god" in it. From a google search, apparently "God's Graveyard" is a potential translation of Alabama, and as near as I can tell is not used anywhere in a derogatory way. At the very least, this is nothing like a blatant violation, so if you have a problem with the name, you need to discuss it with the user. And if they have good-faith contributions and you can't make a clear explanation as to why this name offends you, I'd just drop it. If you think it might potentially offend someone else, but it doesn't offend you, I'd still drop it. See WP:BITE. (And, btw, the place to report usernames these days is WP:UAA, not WP:AIV). Mangojuice 17:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up on WP:UAA. Im not sure why we even have Inappropriate usernames in the policy if we are not going to follow it verbatim.Does WP:BITE trump policy? But never the less, I will drop it. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 17:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Reread WP:U. It prohibits usernames that are offensive, not really all usernames in all those subcategories. Also, re: Ganan, apparently it's been taken care of. Mangojuice 18:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Who decides if the user name is offensive? I had help with restoring the page moves from Ganan (talk · contribs), but thanks anyway. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 18:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, BITE does not apply as the account is almost 6 months old. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 22:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Apology.

Allow me to apologize. I just get mad when users ruin other peoples' hard work through vandalism. Won't hpapen again ;]. Pwnz0r1377 20:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

You need to change all of the ones that you have done. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 20:25, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Question about deletion

I would like to know why you deleted the page for WhyAbe.com First off, WhyAbe.com is a non-profit website and we get lots of questions about what it is used for and why it is free. It would be good to have in the Wiki world since many people ask questions about it.

Secondly, there are plenty of sites on wiki that are actual blatant advertisements and they are allowed to stay. Take for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/Iasta which is actually a for-profit company that sells the same things that whyabe offers for free.

Or look at http://en.wikipedia.org/Reverse_auction which is mainly an advertisement for another reverse auction vendor, carefully written so that it looks like a definition for something.

Or how about Ebay http://en.wikipedia.org/Ebay , which has pages and pages dedicated to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sourceone1 (talkcontribs) 15:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

I do not have the power to delete articles, that is left up to Misplaced Pages administrators Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 16:06, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

re: Online colleges

Sure, but don't take my word for it, I'm not particularly interested in the subject. I proposed the merge since the content currently at Online colleges isn't very well-written, but something from it could be incorporated somewhere else. The singular Online college already redirects to the same article, so I just figured it could be a decent enough target. - Bobet 15:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

County Hall (Surrey)

Would love to hear your basis for the tags. For source, though not on the web, the published material by the couty archivist seems more WP:RS than lots of material on the web. And since it is not about him, it is about a building, it is like believing the congresional record for info about congress. For POV, suggest you just edit out whatever you think is biased.Obina 18:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The section under "Today" is very much, a POV statment. Since I don't know much about the subject, I will let those who do fix the problem. This keeps me from stepping on other peoples toes. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 18:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't template the regulars

Hi. I noticed that you transcluded or substituted a template to respond to or notify a regular editor with whom you disagree. The main purpose of many of these templates is to inform the receiver of policy (e.g., that there is a numerical limit to reversion on content of an article within a time period, that personal attacks or vandalism can result in a block, that they can edit a page constructively without permission, etc.) It is likely that this editor knows this, and if he or she has breached or ignored these, please respond with a personal message. Thanks! KillerChihuahua 19:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Onassis Foods

(error..I mentioned the wrong company. I'm a bit busy and losing track of things) I edited the article as best I could, using my own words.

I'm in no way affiliated with this company. It is a Greek company that employees Greeks and contributes to the Greek economy and is part of the country's history for almost 50 yrs. --Freecyprus 22:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it ok to recreate this article as it is part of the Economy_of_Greece topic? I'm not affiliated with any of the companies I've added to the List of Greek companies, I just like creating and editing articles about topics that relate to Greece and Cyprus. Cheers, FC. --Freecyprus 11:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

READ BEFORE REACTING

It would be a good idea to first read changes before reacting on your idea of information, not very good if one wants to have the truth of the orign of information, im a bit sick and tired of the editors in chief on this website that think they know more than the people who understand the orgins of the subjects that are listed. READ BEFORE REACTING! THANK YOU


THE ORDER OF THE DEFEATED DRAGON not just the order of the dragon.

I have made certain corrections on this artical firstly the 0rder was not created in 1408 but 1418 please see page 181 of the chivalry book ORDERS OF KNIGHTHOOD AWARDS AND THE HOLY SEE by Peter Bander van Duren, there have been many mistakes on the orgin and history of this order, it would be common sense of the writer of this artical to first verify the orgin of the order its true date and why it was created, it would be a bit strange if the sovereign lords who were the orders first members joined to protect the royal family of hungary? not a sensible reason for the time! The true history is as folllws the Order of the Defeated Dragon was formally established in the year 1418 by the Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund, after the Council of Constance, to defend the Church against the heretics, especially the Hussites. The defeated dragon is a symbol of the destruction of heresy. The Order flourished in Germany, and Italy. the order is not a order of the kingdom of hungary but the holy roman empire please note the aforementioned information. thank you


Please DO NOT delete content from Misplaced Pages. Please read welcome page to learn how to contribute to articles. Thank you. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 20:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Ervin Santana

No worries.Chris Nelson 21:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

read please!

It would be nice if you could contact me not just make threats on a subject you quite clearly know nothing about, thank you

Try to be a little more Civil when using the Edit summary and also please read No personal attacks like you did here

Also please read Verifiability before adding to articles. Thank you. Oh and one last thing, please sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. Thank you. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 20:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Shoreline and Morris Ruskin

Hi,

I'm wondering what I can do to make my pages on "Shoreline Entertainment" and "Morris Ruskin" permissible for use. You mentioned that the photo is the one from imdb.com, but because it belongs to our company I figured it's ok. Let me know what I must do to correctly have the page up and running. Thanks

Please read the comment I left on your talk page reguarding Copyright violations. Thank you. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 22:22, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I did what I think should cover it. Please let me know if the pages are now cleared or what else I must do. Thanks.


Although I have taken the aforementioned changes, I have not heard back regarding the status of my new pages, so I am concerned they may be deleted without notice. What can I do to ensure that these pages are not deleted without my having a chance to work out their issues? I am doing my best to meet the Wikistandards but this is my first time and I would appreciate your guidance and reciprocity. Thank you.

The hang on tag is good enough right now, however you may want to address the issue on the articles talk page where an Misplaced Pages administrator may have time to review your comments also two other things. please read Conflict of interest and please sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. Thank you. Purgatory Fubar or Snafu 23:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks--Mikey younesi 23:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

am sorry sir i am a real fan of boro n i just wanted to point out we r the best team in the north east , i wasn't intending to vanalise the page once again i am realy sorry

Hi there

Can I ask why you requested the article on UEFA Champions League 2008/09 be deleted. I can't quite understand why this should be, it may not be the next one that is coming up, but there are a lot of articles on this website that do this

e.g. F1 is in the 2007 season now, but there are pages created for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons.

another example is the Olympic Games, this has articles for 2008, 2012 and even 2016 (which doesn't even have a venue yet)

I'm not upset or moaning in this message, but I just want an answer pure and simple, why is it everytime I do something on wikipedia you go ahead and delete it, when 99% of the things I do are accurate.

Please explain

Sheephead

About the 'Dragon Order' of Hungary

I included some months ago exact informations about the Orders current state, and the promintent members of today. I see after i did that some people fully deleted it claiming its 'pseudo-aristocratic propaganda', but he also removed a huge part of other things. (some were already restored as i see, but not anything)


In Hungary the Order is a legal, existing thing also today. It is true some other nations deny it, but as it exists I don't know to react to its deletion, I am right now simply suprised.


I am a Knight of the Order myself, that is why I thought a refreshing of the informations might be good on Misplaced Pages.

If needed I can proove it, or you can ask about the Order in the Hungarian Parliament or in any other way from the State.


I hope the deleted part will be restored, it was mostly about the current situation.

What i don't understand is what that person meant under 'pseudo-aristocratic', as nobility is existing today in Hungary, just as in many other nations, like UK too. Hungary is not a Kingdom anymore, but that doesn't mean that after the end of the communistic era some things weren't restored.

As i never edited Misplaced Pages before this I was not able to include the current (a bit modern) seal of the order.


Thank you for listerning to me.


PS: the Order was created in 1408. december 12 by the King and his wife, with the aid of Bishop Albeni Ébenhardt. I see even the creation date is disputed what is nonsene. Also it was started by the ruler, thus the Holy See only later acknowledged it (the Bishop was who 'allowed' it, but the Pope didn't know about it then yet)

last time I didn't write a hungarian 'expansion' to the hungarian Misplaced Pages, only to the english in the hopes that it gets to more people this way, still here I link the hungarian page so you see the current informations reflect what I said about the creation date (above) and that the order was restored and that it is legitime in Hungary today (at the end of the page you see 2001, the date of the formal resurrection when one of the relatives of II.Rákóczi Ferenc himself became a knight)

http://hu.wikipedia.org/S%C3%A1rk%C3%A1ny_Lovagrend

Also the Order has no 'defeated dragon' mentioned anywhere in its name, only 'dragon'.



Again, köszönöm (thank you) for your understanding, and sorry if my english isn't correct. please contact me about further informations if needed:

jorian@freemail.hu

good bye


EDIT: just as an extra proove about the creation time:


http://www.honvedelem.hu/hirek/kiadvanyok/honved_altiszti_folyoirat/nagy_magyar_kitunteteskonyv

a link to the Hungarian Army's homepage, an article about past deeds and awards.

I think you don't understand hungarian, but if you click 'search' in Firefox/Explorer (or anything else) and then you type 'sárkány' (what means dragon in hungarian) you get as result the place where the date is stated : 1408

Wikipedias very own article about the Rákóczi family to show that part is also true about the relative

http://en.wikipedia.org/R%C3%A1k%C3%B3czi


As you see the army homepage is real, so I hope this is enough to assure you that I say the truth. If not, then please just contact me via e-mail, as i meantioned it before.

Even the bosnian 'wikipedia bot'was making a connection to it after I made my edits on the article, but before it got vandalized and a huge part deleted, even that states 1408:

http://pt.wikipedia.org/Ordem_do_Drag%C3%A3o

(but i have to admit I don't understand bosnian, the date can still be seen perfetly)


Thank you, and bye again

Hello concerning the Order of the defeated dragon not just of the order of the dragon

Please can you show your source reference concerning your own view that it was just called the order of the dragon my reference is shown on the comments page at the base, thanks, ps unless you can give the above i will seek wikipedia attention on the true title of the order.

Life Fitness article

Hey I just wanted to ask if the speedy deletion had been avoided on my 'Life Fitness' article. On my talk page it says so but I just wanted to double check. Thanks

The Townsend 9

I don't understand what's wrong with the new page 'The Towsend 9'. It's an article about a unique type of sport/golf course. If is the advertisement of the tournament date, that has been removed. Otherwise, please clarify.

Wasn't an attack. Was an opinion. As are all these articles.

This Burning Earth

There may not be a ton of 'notable' places to find information about This Burning Earth, but that's mostly due to the fact that their album is not signed by a major label. They are as of now still self-producing every album and t-shirt sold.

Yep

Thanks for seeing that. I restored Bob Richardson (photographer). CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I understand LoveStill might not be a known term in neologism, but what i have done is create a word that describes not only people in the present but also from the past. There are many people in this world who undergo this type of confusion and pain I only wished to put it into words so that maybe others can understand their not alone and maybe break their LoveStill. Its not something i just came up with in a whim, I discovered LoveStill doing case studies for my pyschology class and wished to only receive peoples collective input in which only Misplaced Pages offers

I understand LoveStill might not be a known term in neologism, but what i have done is create a word that describes not only people in the present but also from the past. There are many people in this world who undergo this type of confusion and pain I only wished to put it into words so that maybe others can understand their not alone and maybe break their LoveStill. Its not something i just came up with in a whim, I discovered LoveStill doing case studies for my pyschology class and wished to only receive peoples collective input in which only Misplaced Pages offers.--Jojogl 08:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You suck

Acorralada

The reason I wanted to know about Acorralada is because I wanted to know what U.S. state that the telenovela was filmed in, who the characters were and things like that.

whatever

I cannot find secondary sources for Celio, partly because I live in America and do not know French, and even though probably there are articles and pages on Celio in English that are secondary, I really do not know what "Secondary" means. I think that my sources are credible enough. Look at Alfred Dunner. I created that article and it only sights the website, but yet there is no problem there.--Lollypoplollypopohlollylollylolly 05:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

sorry i sent this to the wrong user.

Why it is a cartoon series some guy made!! I think every one has the right to make what they want

Prod

Hey, you know that if you agree with a prod of an article, you can use the {{prod2}} template to show this. --Haemo 06:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Joseph McManners

Are you an admin? Do you have banning powers? These vandals have been at it all night Ryan| 06:17, 9 July 2007 (GMT)

I don't understand what the problem is with 'The Townsend 9' page. Please leave a message for me to tell me how to fix it.

I'm confused by why sources documents are being deleted?

I'm confused by why sources documents are being deleted?

mpn

The God Who Wasn't There

Just to let you know that this wasn't vandalism - we have a knowledgeable editor on this page who prefers to edit as an IP. Not quite sure why you thought it was bearing in mind the title of the article but thought I should warn you as he may look like a persistent vandal as he does edit on a semi-regular basis to such pages. Sophia 06:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

article

Why is my article about Jack Barakat from All Time Low marked for deletion?

~~AllxTimexLowxRocks~~

Edits

Whoever made the edits you claim were me about Current etc. was not me. Thank you, Dave F —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.233.193.66 (talk) 03:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Not me!

Dear FUBAR friend, I did not make the changes you mentioned in messages to me. I myself am a calm and pleasant 49 year old working wife of a 50 year old husband and mother of three adult sons, and a PT RN student. I drive a rather tired 2K Chevy van, and dream of an original red Karmann Ghia coupe convertable. I would appreciate your lifting the undeserved censure and ban on me. I didn't do the reprehensible deed. Sincerely, Vicki142.161.49.49 (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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