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It's been three years since the ] in regards to the infobox image. As I believed so back then, the current image (which was reached by consensus albeit) is unflattering and as one user noted above, it's a bit creepy. I created a ] so you can see what I'm talking about. Her eyes are half-open, quality isn't the best and if this is truly the 'best' picture that captures what she's known for (as stated in the last discussion three years ago in terms of her outfits), then perhaps it's best to asses an infobox image based on quality over what she's 'known' for. If this is the best picture that shows her during her 'comeback' (as stated in last discussion), then once again, I must emphasize the quality of the picture (awkward lighting, unflattering eye pose, not the best in quality). These are the current images at commons that are best suited for an infobox image. As noted in other talk page discussions, when the subject of an article passes away, their infobox image is also replaced with a black and white picture ''or'' of one that captures them in their 'prime' so to speak. Although (as of now) Marcos is still alive, I feel that Option B is in better quality than the current picture, shows her as her time as First Lady (much like other first lady articles) and will depict her in her prime when she passes away (not a huge factor now, but worth thinking about). Pinging previous contributors to the discussion three years ago for good measure: {{ping|Chieharumachi}}, {{ping|Crisantom}}, {{ping|Object404}}, {{ping|Unilimited247}}, {{ping|Lochglasgowstrathyre}} ] (]) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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'''Abdel Fattah Saeed Hussein Khalil El-Sisi'''{{Efn|{{langx|ar|عبد الفتاح سعيد حسين خليل السيسي}}}} (born 19 November 1954) is an Egyptian politician, ],<ref name="dictator"> |
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* ]. User ] continues to add his own original research to the page, despite my continues attempts to explain that original research does not belong on wikipedia in ]. 16:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Sources that categorize Sisi as a dictator: |
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* ''']''' Dispute over original research and excessive details. Recent change to is being changed to identifying the References as containing the information. However, I can't find the information in the identified references. There are also plagiarism issues, see: . --<font color="#06C">]</font> 16:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC) |
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{{bulleted list|{{Cite news |title=Egypt’s rushed election shows Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi is nervous |url=https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2023/10/03/egypts-rushed-election-shows-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-is-nervous |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613 |quote="Last month Abdel-Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt’s military dictator..."}}|{{Cite web |last=Dunne |first=Michele |date=2019-04-08 |title=Why Is Trump Helping Egypt’s Dictator Entrench His Power? |url=https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/08/donald-trump-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-egypt-226579/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO Magazine |language=en}} |
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* Request check-over re edits by ] on ] re her age --] 21:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC) |
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|{{Cite web |title=President Trump, Condemn This Sham Egyptian Election {{!}} The Washington Institute |url=https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/president-trump-condemn-sham-egyptian-election |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=www.washingtoninstitute.org |language=en |quote="...issued a statement praising the Egyptian dictator's magnificent work for the country"}} |
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*] Contested speedy deletion request per notability and npov concerns. ] 21:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC) |
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|{{Cite news |title=A Blank Check for Egypt's Dictator |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-06-26/u-dot-s-dot-gives-egypts-dictator-a-blank-check?embedded-checkout=false |access-date=2024-12-27 |work=Bloomberg.com |language=en}} |
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*]. Could someone please go and comment to this page. Currently the page is being monopolized by ] who has taken it upon himself to usurp the current conversation, facts, and the community. Two things need addressing: '''1)''' ] unwillingness to follow community protocol and discuss before acting and '''2)'''Comments on what the page should morph into. As it stands user Cfvh is just changing at whim to keep up with current events, however we are wondering if it should morph into '''Birkhead v. Marshall''', which would be more factually correct and would follow other cases in Misplaced Pages? Or should it morph into something like '''Paternity of Dannielynn Birkhead'''? Something it should not be is the current name, because when the case was filed, the father was not known, so it would have been impossible to name it after the father, and consensus was not sought for the name change. The current name does not lend accuracy to wikipedia. Any comments you could add to both issues would be most welcomed. --] (]) 00:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC) |
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|{{Cite web |last=Toosi |first=Nahal |date=2021-07-12 |title=In D.C. visit, Egypt spy boss claims U.S. agreed — in writing — to jail American activist |url=https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/egypt-spy-boss-jail-american-498983 |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=POLITICO |language=en |quote="...Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian dictator who has imprisoned tens of thousands of dissidents."}}{{Cite web |last=Lawler |first=Dave |date=2019-04-23 |title=Egypt's President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi could rule until 2030 after winning referendum |url=https://www.axios.com/2019/04/23/sisi-referendum-rule-egypt-2030-constitution |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Axios |language=en |quote="He has now cemented his status as Egypt's dictator without losing his position as a U.S. ally."}} |
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:*According to the opinion of the administrator who dealt with your false application for a 3RR against me, there is equal weight in our actions. If you call me a vandal then you are a vandal as well. Thankfully, I am more cool-headed than you are and will not seek superfluous actions for your laughable actions. ] 00:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC) |
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|{{Cite web |last=Greenwald |first=Glenn |date=2015-03-31 |title=Obama Personally Tells the Egyptian Dictator That U.S. Will Again Send Weapons (and Cash) to His Regime |url=https://theintercept.com/2015/03/31/obama-lifts-freeze-weapons-transfer-egyptian-dictator/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=The Intercept |language=en-US}} |
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|{{Cite web |last=Williams |first=Jennifer |date=2017-04-03 |title=Egypt’s president is a bloodthirsty dictator. Trump thinks he’s done a “fantastic job.” |url=https://www.vox.com/world/2017/4/3/15160358/trump-egypt-abdel-fattah-el-sisi-white-house |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=Vox |language=en-US}}|{{Cite news |date=2020-12-01 |title=Egypt President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi: Ruler with an iron grip |url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-19256730 |access-date=2024-11-22 |work=BBC News |language=en-GB}}|{{Cite news |title=Egypt is again under military rule, but Sisi lacks Nasser's appeal |url=https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal |access-date=2024-11-25 |url-access=subscription|work=The Economist |issn=0013-0613|archive-url=https://archive.today/2021.08.26-144020/https://www.economist.com/special-report/2021/08/24/egypt-is-again-under-military-rule-but-sisi-lacks-nassers-appeal|archive-date=2021-08-26|url-status=live}}|{{Citation |last=Grewal |first=Sharan |title=Egypt: A Coup against Democracy |date=2023-07-25 |work=Soldiers of Democracy? |pages=136–176 |url=https://academic.oup.com/book/46755/chapter-abstract/414394851?redirectedFrom=fulltext |access-date=2024-11-25 |publisher=Oxford University PressOxford |doi=10.1093/oso/9780192873910.003.0007 |isbn=0-19-287391-1}}|{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}}}</ref> and retired military officer who has been serving as the ] and current ] since 2014.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=2024-03-15 |title=EU Deal with Egypt Rewards Authoritarianism, Betrays 'EU Values' {{!}} Human Rights Watch |url=https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/03/15/eu-deal-egypt-rewards-authoritarianism-betrays-eu-values |access-date=2024-12-14 |language=en}}</ref> |
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(The word dictator been been removed for now while the RfC discussion takes place) |
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*] Could someone check-over the section about the Brit awards please. I think that there is too much detail, but another editor disagrees, and puts forward good arguements. I would like a 3rd opinion. Cheers 10:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Should Sisi be referred to as a dictator? Some of these options are not mutually exclusive, so more than one can be selected: |
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*] Dispute is over what awards should be listed as well as which external links should be listed. Revert war continues days after ] were requested. 03:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''A.''' Yes he should be, in a similar way as described above or found in the the leads of ], ], ], ] |
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*'''B.''' No he should not be, but he should be described as an authoritarian ruler, leader of an authoritarian regime, or leader of a military dictatorship somewhere in the lead, similar to the leads of ], ], ], ] |
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*'''C.''' No he should not be, but some variation of "Many observers see Sisi as a dictator" should be included in the lead. |
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*'''D. ''' No he should not be, and he should '''not''' be described as an authoritarian ruler. Instead, different arguments regarding his form of rule should be summarized in the body. |
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*'''E.''' Other (please elaborate) |
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Should the Squad be described in the article as "far left?" ] (]) 22:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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Musk is the wealthiest person in the world. He has been described as an oligarch by prominent commentators, academics, and experts. |
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Should a variant of the following sentence be included in the lead? |
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*<s>]. Whether or not his autobiography "" (from his "official website") can be used as the source of this article.--] 18:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)</s> |
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*:This issue has been resolved.--] 16:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC) |
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''Due to his considerable influence over American government policy, politics, media, industry, and public discourse, some academics and politicians have characterized Musk as an American oligarch.</small> |
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* ] Dispute about about inclusion of a ''Times'' advertisement by Gere, related to his marriage and sexual orientation. ] <small>]</small> 16:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Does this addition have any support? Are there any other suggestions? (Some editors have argued that Musk should directly be referred to as an oligarch in the lead. I now agree with those that oppose doing so per ].) |
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*]. Dispute over whether image is biased. ] 06:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC) |
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What is the appropriate due coverage of the comments Lorenz made about the murder of Brian Thompson and the controversy surrounding them? See details and sources in the previous discussion ]. {{ordered list |list_style_type=upper-alpha |
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] (]) 19:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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*]. Dispute about whether the subject's early life as a porn star and escort are being covered neutrally and undue weight concerns. Subject of article, who edits as ], is unhappy with present content. Article is protected due to edit warring. Input into how to resolve the dispute very welcome. 04:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC) |
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Should the article include the guard’s actions (grabbing the camera lens and touching Hersant’s shoulder) and the court’s findings regarding Sewell’s claims on racial motivation and self-defence? |
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*],There is a disagreement here whether to include some sources that report the state of ] under presidency of Ahmadinejad. There are some users that consider it as original research, some not. Your comments may be helpful in resolving this issue; regards--] 21:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC) |
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The current lead contains a simple mention of Trumpism. Should a brief description be added to this mention? A proposed wording for the added text, which is also up for debate here: {{tq|characterized by ], "]" nationalism, and economic ].}} — ] (]) 04:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)}} |
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Should the article about the ] contain a section about the "Association to Tulsi Gabbard and her family"?<br>Should it say that "Tulsi Gabbard has since distanced herself from SIF"? |
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* '''A:''' Yes to both |
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*]I am having difficulties with the biography of ]. ] especially, appears to be biased and is trying to use the bio to accuse Sungenis of anti-semitism. ] is trying to mediate, but it is a slow process. |
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* '''B:''' Yes to the first question, no to the second one |
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* '''C:''' No to both |
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The problem is there are no reliable third party sources to establish the fact. The main source is a biased blog created by some of Robert Sungenis ex-employees. They state their bias and agenda. The other sources are related to this one (except perhaps one, but ultimately it can alsoe be shown to be related). |
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Should Masha Amini be referred to as Kurdish-Iranian in the first sentence of the lead? |
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This has previously been discussed at ], ] and ]. '']''<sup>]</sup> 02:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)}} |
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I have propsed a means by which the editors can use Robert Sungenis own words to indicate that he has been accused of anti-semitism, and of course that he denies it (which gets stated in either case). To me this removes the issue of using inappropriate sources per BLP (biased, agenda driven, partisan, blogs, etc). |
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Also, a list of sources he has used are listed , which really adds nothing to the article, but an attempt to tie hime to other Misplaced Pages and oher entries that claim anti-semitism. |
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I would appreciate anyone coming over and taking a look for yourself.Start at the bottom of the talk page and work up, because it gets much too long. |
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*] and ] - There has been an ongoing discussion regarding whether or not it is reasonable to describe and or/categorize Bob Dylan as a Christian convert. 23:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] - There is a disagreement over what is notable/newsworthy in regards to a recent incident involving a performance by rapper Mike Jones at a College festival. 22:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] There is a long-running dispute over whether the opening paragraph is an appropriate place to point out a rape-murder suspect's ethnic minority status. Would like as many comments as possible - any comments, long or short, are welcome. 09:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] -- Dispute whether a section describing "Misplaced Pages revisionism" by Jimmy Wales is neutral, appropriate to the article and meets requirements of ] policy - 05:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]. No reliable sources. There should be ''some'' newspapers or tech journals which talk about him. The sources all seem to be from himself or from debian. ] 22:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] again. Ostrofsky created the article himself and for a while was zealously defending it from any modification at all. However, he's backed off a bit and is now most offended by the fact that the lead includes the term "Cybersquatter" (he was called that by "Inc." magazine). Since Google loves Misplaced Pages so much, this means that the top entry on the first page of results when you search his name now includes the term he most despises in the page summary: . He keeps removing it, previously under his own account, now (presumably) through IP edits. I stand by the fact that the term should be included, but is it appropriate to use the little Google synopsis lines as a reason to move the quote lower in the article? Or is "Don't make the mark if you can't take the ]" the end of the matter. - 15:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] -- Can the article L. Ron Hubbard display a fake version of his DD-214 military form? 07:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC). |
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*]: Dispute between article's subject and another editor: request for comment on ] and ] issues.13:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: Should the Gerbil rumour be added to the page? 09:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: Whether or not straight out calling his comments "racial and sexist" violates NPOV.] <sup>]</sup> 04:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: Whether or not Libby should be described as "Jewish", either directly or indirectly. 19:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: Content dispute re: bibliography.... Acknowledgment that Lewis Libby is a ] and that ] applies to content included in the article, relating to ] and ]; blocking of such content by an administrator with a strong POV against inclusion of several sources in Bibliography. --19:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*There is discussion over whether ]' DUI two years ago should be included in the article. See ]. 21:33, 17 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*It seems to me that the ] article -- particularly the "writing style" section -- is riding the "neutrality" line. Instead of simply being an objective summary of Friedman's common motifs and stylistic habits, the section includes a lot of value judgments about how ''successfully'' Friedman accomplishes her task. A critic of Friedman's work, for example, could easily dispute that her characters and the worlds they inhabit are "richly detailed and developed," or that "she has a penchant (and skill) for indirect writing." I could be wrong, and would appreciate some extra perspective before attempting to edit. 03:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC) |
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* ]. The dispute is about the inclusion of two reliable sources which claim non-Aryan, Jewish ancestry respectively. Concerns have been about undue weight and NPOV. A previous ] resulted in agreement with the inclusion of the two sources. 22:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC) |
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* ]: The ] article states that Irving's status has a historian has been "discredited", based on longstanding consensus, and on the fact that 26 separate ] (provided in a footnote) describe him as "discredited". An editor insists that the word "disputed" be used instead, regardless of the fact that no sources describe him that way. 19:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*The ] article has been the subject of an edit/revert war regarding one paragraph of text. The controversial text is a reference to an Oct., 2006, robbery of Gordimer's home, which includes the race of the perpetrators and a quote stating that it is "ironic" that Gordimer was attacked by 3 black men, given Gordimer's anti-apartheid position. Third-party comments greatly appreciated at ]. 20:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: a dispute over whether a serial rapist-murderer's ethnic origin should be mentioned in the opening paragraph. 19:43, 12 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: A number of editors oppose use of the "truthaboutscientology" website (http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/), abbreviated TAS, as a ] in ] and other articles while a number of editors support its use. This dispute affects a lot of articles in the Scientology series. 23:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: a dispute over whether the article is libellous based on whether currently cited sources are accurate. 20:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: a dispute over whether a claim of causality should be attributed to its author or to Misplaced Pages in general, and whether sourced material should be deleted. 00:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: a dispute over the way the subject's name is rendered atop infobox and lead sentence; he is a musician formerly known as "Cat Stevens"; he is now known as "Yusuf Islam" - both are covered in article but debate continues 05:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]: a dispute over the inclusion of several references describing ] as being of Arab descent, being an "Arab Galen", and being the "climax of Arab science". Other primary references and biographies refer to Avicenna as Persian or of Persian descent. It has been claimed that the disputed references are incorrectly using "Arab" as a catch-all for Arab and non-Arab Muslim scientists. 01:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] long dispute/edit war about reliable souces for criticism of the Indian writer who claims that Christianity and Islam orginated from Hinduism, and that the Taj Mahal was once a Hindu temple. 00:47, 9 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] Long dispute about the name of the article, idiosyncratic capitalization of her name is "danah boyd". The style guide is somewhat silent about this. I'd like to see the guideline be updated with some consensus in addition to this particular issue resolved. the lowecase version is possibly her legal name, and she is aware of Misplaced Pages's unwillingness to alter it. (She has edited) 22:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]. Dispute over how a source should be introduced in the text. 19:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]. Dispute about the appropriateness of ] and ] to the article. 14:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*]. Dispute about the appropriateness of ] and ] to the article. 14:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC) |
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*] Article is abhorrent, biased, unsourced. I'm not sure which parts of this article are up to Misplaced Pages standards. I have watched this article for a while and have seen no real improvements by numerous edits.20:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC) |
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