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| Where's the article that you're working on? I'm a bit confused. ] 22:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I think it's better to draw out a map delineating locations of Balhae's provinces. I think this is a pretty good reference. ] 03:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| == Seven-Year War Campaignboxes == | |||
| I have filed for a RfC User Conduct on Assault11 for disruptive editing at ]. The RfC needs more than one disputant to sign it to have it come to effect. As one of the editors who's been disputing with Assault11, can you please certify the basis for this dispute? Please read the description, then sign if you agree with it. ] 15:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == manchu wikipedia == | |||
| I see you've split off the Seven-Year War campaignbox; could you please add whichever campaignboxes you've created to the list at ]? Thank you. ] 15:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| sorry for the late reply, I've kind of busy in real life and haven't been on wikipedia on a regular basis =(. in reply to your idea of a manchu wikipedia, that sounds like a great idea! unfortunately I'm not a native speaker and still learning as well. Anyway on another related matter, I see that you are also interested in expanding the information available on the English Misplaced Pages as well.''' A Translucent Mirror: History and Identity in Qing Imperial Ideology''' by ] is a very good source in case you're looking for English sources to cite. . ] | |||
| == Copyright == | |||
| == Let me take a look == | |||
| Hello, Whlee. I was wondering if you wrote, or have permission to use, the content in the ] article because it is similar to an article on the website. Thanks -- ] 05:28, 9 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Give me some time for the Balhae sources. ] 11:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I understand what you are talking about, i recongnize the fact that the article is poorly written but i'm very busy these last few days. I will personalize it the following days when i got much more available extra-time. Regards. ] 10:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::알개습니다 고마워요!] 12:20, 11 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
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== Manchu-English dictionary == | ||
| Not sure if this might help your work on Manchu wikipedia but here's the link. | |||
| Hi Whlee, | |||
| http://www.anaku.cn/Blog/index.php?job=art&articleid=a_20060818_221852 | |||
| Thank you for adding information to the article ]. May I suggest creating a new article? ] would be a good title. It would be very informative and valuable. You can copy directly from Castles in Japan into the new article. I always enjoy creating new articles and hope you do, too. | |||
| ] 03:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks again, | |||
| == Cautious POV == | |||
| ] 11:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, I'm sorry. I was just mocking the proposal of being cautious about POVness when POV is obviously zero. See you around. (] 02:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| == Hello Korean editor == | |||
| == template:History of Manchuria == | |||
| 안녕하세요 | |||
| I've seen your template and I'd disagree with it. Its title is anachronistic and its usage is virtually nil under historical context, so it's not appropriate for a template on history. Also, it's overly long. Manchuria is the most common term used under historical context, which has been proven by google books search, and it's common sense for people who often read about the region's history that Manchuria is the most common term and using "Russia" or "China" to refer to this region in relation to historical entities is absurd. ] 04:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, it seems to me that you know several languages (?). | |||
| :] states: ''Wikipolicy ] is aware of the controversy in using old names, as it states "in a modern context" as a constraint.'' And i can only be agree with that, up to now ] and I '''haven't found a suitable title yet''' this is therefore a '''temporary title'''. Concerning Manchuria (this term started to be used since 1817), i think that term is still commonly used if i find recent reliable and official maps then Manchuria prevail if not mentionned it would become difficult to prevent revert edit wars like now.] 08:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] is just a sad excuse to continue pushing for ](previously titled ] until ] change it a few weeks ago), and Jiejunkong is just selectively interpreting the ] to fit his needs. This template is on history, which means that it's written under '''historical context'''. Read the ], where it says ''If the place does not exist anymore, or the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used.'' I have repeatedly provided evidence that under historical context(i.e. in relation to the template's contents), Manchuria is by far the most common name. If Manchuria cannot be used in modern context because "it does not exist anymore", then that post-Manchuria part of the region's history should be split off from the History of Manchuria template. ] provides an excellent example in this regard: | |||
| It is great to (finally) see a Korean editor who is very enthusiastic about Korean articles! | |||
| *''*] or ]? Istanbul is the single widely accepted English name in modern context, but Constantinople is a widely accepted historical English name. Now ] is a separate article covering the history of Istanbul until 1453 and the term used to refer to the city in historical context before 1453.'' | |||
| Check out ] for Korean stubs or needed articles. This is just one way to help out. | |||
| It is even controversial whether "Northeast China" is the "single widely accepted English name in modern context", since Manchuria is also commonly used in that regard. And in historical context, Manchuria is by far the most common term to refer to that region. And could "Northeastern China" be a viable geographic term used under historical context? The major problem with this usage is that not only is it not clearly defined in authoritative sources such as dictionaries, it is also anachronistism at its worst, because "China" is a cultural region, and since this cultural region fluctuated considerably throughout history, this "northeastern" China constantly changes geography-wise. These users are just trying to push for a sinocentric term disregarding the opinion of others. Many editors have already expressed their preference for Manchuria and opposed Northeast China. Jiejunkong et al should just learn to live with compromises and opinions of others. ] 10:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks for helping out at the ] or Korea itself. It is a heavy burden for me to do all the work because none of the editors are willing to write in detailed sections about the war. This is also the case for ] and its history. | |||
| :You have to discuss with him directly so as to find a compromise between both parties (pro-Northeast China and anti-Northeast China) because My low level in English proficiency do not allow me to strenghthen my arguments based on reliable sources. When i write in English peple often misundertstand what i'd lke to say. If you want i can help you to bring them so as to fight against strong chauvinism/Nationalism.] 15:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I believe they just can't be convinced otherwise, they're so too nationalistic. So I'm trying to have it so that they'll have to reach majority consensus in order to rename the title of the template, like a request for move on article titles. A lot of editors, including an administrator, have showed support for the title "Manchuria", so you don't have to cave into the demands of a few editors who are too nationalistic to see things from a neutral point of view. Anyways, I'll make some changes to your template proposal to what I believe to be appropriate. Please consider them. ] 22:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::To avoid revert wars, I suggest first proposing a draft template on the article's talk page and do a survey on whether editors agree on it. Notify the editors who were previously involved, and give it some time to receive comprehensive input. If consensus is reached by majority of editors, just make the change. ] 22:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| ...Unlike the ] article, which is extremely outstanding with many editors. I hope we can bring the Korea article equal or above to the Japan article. That is my overall goal and I hope we can do it. | |||
| I have just read ] in detail, and here's what I found. | |||
| *In ''widely accepted names'', the ''current name'' covers the modern era period, while ''historical name'' covers the relevant historical period. | |||
| *] has layed out a procedural guideline to proving a widely accepted name. You don't have to go looking for archaic maps to provide evidence. There is already a guideline to proving the appropriate widely accepted name. I'm gathering evidence for Manchuria covering the historical periods of ], ] and ], as well as ] and ] in some cases. That covers the first millennia of Manchuria's history. So far, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of Manchuria. If Jiejunkong and Wiki pokemon continues to insist on ] and its variants, we can simply split the template, having Manchuria cover the historical periods where it is widely accepted, while letting Northeast China or its variant cover the contemporary history or the historical period where that term is widely accepted(if such historical period exists). And if Jiejunkong and Wiki pokemon wants to change the template's title, let them file a ] and try to reach a consensus. Otherwise, lets just stick to the title. ] 07:11, 30 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==<span style="color:orange;">Thank you</span>== | |||
| Thanks, ] 17:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you for your support for the future --] 01:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == on your proposal for changes to the template == | |||
| == db-noncom == | |||
| Can you maybe cut down on some of the contents? It has way too many entries and when it is actually put on articles, it will clog it significantly. I think it has a lot of extraneous elements to it, such as ethnic groups. You don't have to include all ethnic groups into the template, perhaps just some of the ethnic groups that had a significant role in Manchuria's history. You can create another template on all the ethnic groups of the region, or other regions, such as Northeast Asia. | |||
| Also, don't mind too much about the title of the template. Jiejunkong and Wikipokemon continues to dispute the title, but so far have provided no evidence to their claims and ignores the recommended protocol set forth by ]. They should just learn to work by consensus rather than personal preferences. If they think they can establish ] as the appropriate name for the template, they should do so per the recommended protocol from ] and file for a Request for Move to reach a conesnsus. Otherwise, don't mind the title, just focus on the contents. ] 02:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| When you uploaded various images recently you selected ''the copyright holder only allows this work to be used for non-commercial and/or educational purposes''. This automatically includes {{tl|permission from license selector}} in the image description. You clearly did not look at the image descriptions created by the upload. I suggest you read the template now and follow its advice. Also, if the licence allows it, please upload to ] so all languages can share. -- ] 01:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Then perhaps we can present "less important" entities that had minor roles in the region's history with smaller fonts, and also present ethnic groups or treaties in smaller fonts. At least that will save some space. What do you think? ] 00:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Campaignbox Japanese Blitzkrieg in Korea}} == | |||
| == List of monarchs of Korea == | |||
| ] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ]. Thank you.<!-- Tfdnotice -->--]<sup><font color="#960">]</font></sup> § 23:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| 한국사이긴 하나, 중국의 식민기구이므로 포함시키면 안됩니다. 어느 한국인도 이 기구들의 통치자들을 자국왕이라 생각하지 않습니다. | |||
| Between Korea one it is long, when it is a colonial organization of China it is not included it is made. Which Korean does not think the rule people of these organizations the home country king.--] 01:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Anju and Olga== | |||
| Hi, Whlee! I think you misunderstood the nature of my edit. I never argued against the fact that Anju existed many years before modern Olga or advocated that Anju and Olga are the same thing. My point was that there was nothing there by the times Russians showed up in 1860, as Anju ceased to exist long before then. Now, I don't have any references handy to back that up at the moment, but from what I know Russians founded Olga in an uninhabited location. Of course, modern Olga is not the same as ancient Anju, but since as Anju existed on the same territory as Olga (and since you yourself think that mentioning this in the article about Olga is appropriate), it's only fair to inform readers about this. The way your edit is constructed, however, readers might get the impression that ancient Anju eventually developed into modern Olga, which is incorrect. If you have suggestions as to how to word the article better, I'll gladly hear them out.—] • (]); 16:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks! It sounds a lot better now.—] • (]); 16:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Korean History Forum == | |||
| ==Administrative divisions of Primorsky Krai== | |||
| Hi, Whlee! This is a courtesy note to let you know that I reverted your recent edits to ] and left an explanation ]. | |||
| Hello, Are you interested in running a Korean History forum? I already have one running but I don't have the time to maintain I was hoping a new forum could be created, where I could transfer all of my data and members to yours, are you interested? | |||
| If the topic of administrative divisions of Russia interests you and you wish to improve the article mentioned above, please take a look at ] (and at ]). That one is a ], and it should give you ideas as to in which direction the improvements of other articles of the series should go. | |||
| ] 00:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == The relation between Hungarian and Mohe/Jurchen/Mongol == | |||
| Feel free to ] should you have any questions. Best,—] • (]); 19:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hey, thank you for posting a new reference in ]. I believe Hungarians were originally from northwestern Asia but hasn't found enough proof. The new reference is quite useful.--] 00:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Districts of Khabarovsk Krai== | |||
| ==Missing image ]== | |||
| Sure. The most southern one is, as you correctly determined, Bikinsky District. The one immediately to the north is Vyazemsky District. The big one to the north and east is Lazo District. The one to the northwest of it (bordering with China) is Khabarovsky District. The one to the north of Lazo District and Khabarovsky District (and which is about the same size as Lazo District) is Nanaysky District. Finally, the one south-east of Nanaysky District is Sovetsko-Gavansky District. Verkhnebureinsky District is the one bordering Amur Oblast in the west and the Jewish AO in the south. If you follow the western border of Khabarovsk Krai , it will be the seventh district from south to north (the biggest one in southern Khabarovsk Krai). | |||
| ]Hello, this is a message from ]. A tag has been placed on ], by {{#ifeq:1|1|] (] '''·''' ]),}} another Misplaced Pages user, requesting that it be ] from Misplaced Pages. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because ] is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.<br><br>To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting ], please affix the template <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at ]. Feel free to contact the ] if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that '''this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself.''' --] 10:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == "North East" China geography stub types == | |||
| Let me know if you need anything else!—] • (]); 20:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| See my earlier edit comment. What you're doing is essentially vandalising these templates. The whole ''point'' of a stub template is that it populates a category: removing the category completely defeats the purpose of having them. The current scheme is consistent with ], with the other stub categories also corresponding to PRC-designated "regions". The individual provinces also don't have enough articles to have their own stub categories. If you have some objection to this scheme, please proposed changing it at an appropriate venue and ''get consensus to do so'', or if you really must, propose the stub category for deletion (or renaming, or replacement with something else). I'm going to fix these (again), and if you keep "de-categorising" them, I'll protect them. ] 16:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==French wikipedia== | |||
| As a French Parisian user of wikipedia, I have seen that you live in France and have also contributed to some French pages. I think that French wikipedia pages about Korean history are very poor, so I would like to know whether you would be interested by a cooperation concerning the French version of wikipedia (history, creation of a gate and a wikiproject and so on). Sorry for having spoken about it on this page, but I didn't find an email valid address to write you directly. Sincerely, ] 10:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC). | |||
| :안녕 하심니까. 저는 빠리지안 사람 아니구요 암튼... I could be interested in your cooperation. but i'm not familiar with wiki-tools yet such wikiproject. Therefore i'm wating for the portal and then i would add articles once achieved. Regards] 13:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::안녕 하심니까. Thank you for your answer. I am not much more familiar with wikiproject and other wikitools. To begin with, it would be possible to make links to pages which would have to be completed such as "Invasions japonaises de la Corée" on fr:wikipedia, if you could contribute. Best regards ] 20:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC). Hum... just one question : why having written Paris with "빠" : it is the North Korean standard writing, isn't it ? ] 12:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I will contribute to French version of Imjin Waeran later. Paris is often written by Korean living in France like "빠리" instead of "파리". i dunno whether i replied or not to your request. ] 17:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::As a matter of fact, "빠" much more corresponds to the precise pronunciation] 18:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC). | |||
| :That'd essentially be a renaming, so if you really think it'd be a good idea, I'd suggest taking it to ]. I'd have to say it seems a dubious candidate, though: Manchuria is a historical term, and highly ambiguous in scope; Northeast China seems both more "current", and more clearly-defined. ] 22:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Dalnegorsk== | |||
| Hi there! Just wanted to drop you a quick note regarding and other similar edits of yours. What <nowiki>]</nowiki> means is that the article you are categorizing is the main article in the Balhae category. Normally, there is only one article marked such, and in this case it would be ] itself. Dalnegorsk and all other places of Primorsky Krai should be categorized simply <nowiki>]</nowiki>, i.e., without a sort key. Best,—] • (]); 16:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hope that answer to you request. I'm not familiar with thoses tools regards] 16:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| I will correct all of them then ] 16:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :No problem. Someone would have caught this sooner or later anyway. Best,—] • (]); 16:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| Thanks. --] (]) 14:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Bonjour == | |||
| 안녕하십니까 이우호씨. Bonjour monsieur Woo. Je suis un nationalist libre de coree. I just met you on the WP:Korea page, so I just wanted to say hello to you. We have a weird concidence in similarities. I can speak Korean and French also, and etc. Since you can speak numerous languages, would you like to join the AIW (Association of International Wikipedians)? My goal as an IW (International Wikipedian) is to make all versions of Misplaced Pages contain the same articles, therefore sharing the knowledge not just with one's country, but the entire world. Although it will take a lot of time and effort to make all Wikipedias "same" and global, if many people contribute, it will come true. The only thing that I do not like about Misplaced Pages is that each versions of Misplaced Pages is "seperated" and '''not''' united as one. Would you like to help create Misplaced Pages a ''global'' Misplaced Pages? If you have any thoughts in beocomming an IW, please contact me on my talk page. I have an account on the French version of Misplaced Pages, known as Orthodoxi, and I also have accounts on sevral other versions of Misplaced Pages. Merci. ] 22:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| 예, 국제위키백과인이 된것을 환영합니다. 국제위키백과협회 유저박스는 지금 만들고 있는중이라. 잠시만 기다려 주세요. 햐튼, 많은 감사 드립니다. And I just wanted to make a little change. No offense, I am just correcting your grammar mistakes. My French level is no better than your Korean level, so, do not think that it is a bad thing. | |||
| :아녀하세요 자기 사용자 패이지 오신것을 환영합니다 ! = 안녕하세요. 저의 사용자'''폐'''이지에 오신것을 환영합니다! ] 19:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Balhae Rulers == | |||
| 대이진과 대건황이 장왕과 안왕이라는 정확한 증거를 제시해주십시오. 아직 까진 정설이 아니지 않습니까?(심지어는 교과서를 봐도 그렇고요...) ] 14:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| 영어로 하세요 제가 한국말은 잘 못 알아들으니까. 감사합니다 ! ] 14:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| : 대이진 and 대건황→Why 장왕 and 안왕? What is your authority for that statement? consult a Korea history textbook, 장왕 and 안왕 is probably not true. 영어를 잘 못해서 틀린말이 많을껍니다. 이해해주세요. | |||
| ---] 14:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :안녕 하십니까, 다름이 아니라 제가 편집한 ]를 편집해 주십시오. (문법에 맞게 고쳐 주십시오.) 감사합니다. | |||
| ] 15:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::거이 고쳤다] 17:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == List of Chieftains of the Jurchens == | == List of Chieftains of the Jurchens == | ||
| Grüezi wohl ! | |||
| I was starting to write that article and you quickly conclude that it was an '''Unneeded listcruft''' one, i also add a relevant reference as well, many Chinese references also exist. Do not anticipate so quickly. Wiedersehen ! ] 13:41, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :You may want to have more content ready before you start an artile next time OR tag the article as under construction. I think the speedy was perfectly justified at the moment of tagging. In any case, no harm done.<br/>'''PS:''' You should read ]. ~ <span style="white-space:nowrap; color:#FF0000;font-weight:bold;">| <small>]</small> | <small><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></small> |</span> 16:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Counter== | |||
| I can't believe you actually went through my user page history and counted how many times it was vandalized :)) Last time I used this box I counted ten times; has it been that many more since then? Wow. | |||
| :: You're welcome :) | |||
| Anyway, just so you know, I am actually trying to keep the clutter on my userpage to minimum (and doing terrible job at that), but I guess I'll keep this particular userbox for a while so your efforts are not wasted :) Best,—] • (]); 16:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :: Spasiva :) ] 16:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hi since I'm lacking in reading Korean, could please help with the ] article and compare it with the list on , thanks ] <small>—Preceding ] was added at 04:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| ==History of Manchuria== | |||
| Sorry for the delayed response; while I have my archived talk watchlisted, I don't check back very often. In other words, I saw your note but promptly forgot about it :) | |||
| ==Speedy deletion of ]== | |||
| Anyway, I think what you did ] will indeed be of great help in organizing articles about the history of the Far East. It is a far better approach than the one I took way back in 2004, when I wrote ], which, for the most part, has nothing to do with Primorsky Krai proper. Back then, however, there really wasn't much in the English Misplaced Pages on Manchuria, so Primorsky Krai history seemed to be the best place to put this information. Now, of course, Misplaced Pages grew and many topics which were previously not covered are there. | |||
| ] A tag has been placed on ] requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under ], because it is an image with an unknown source or an unknown copyright status which has been tagged as such for more than 7 days, and it still lacks the necessary information. | |||
| If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding <code>{{tl|hangon}}</code> to '''the top of ]''' (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on ''']''' explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for ''speedy'' deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. ] <sub>(] / ])</sub> 22:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)<!-- Template:Db-unksource-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> | |||
| By the way, would you be interested in splitting ] properly? What that article really needs is a (very) brief overview of pre-Russian history, with links to main articles, and a solid body of text on history of actual Primorsky Krai (i.e., from 1938 onward). Maybe this will finally give me a push to finish what I started in 2004 :) Best,—] • (]); 16:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I will most certainly help where I can, but please note that my knowledge of the history of Manchuria is rather limited and whatever I know, I know from the Russian point of view. All in all, I know something about the part of history that's related to the territory of Primorsky Krai, but very little beyond that. Also, I cannot read any of the Asian languages. | |||
| :: That the reason why it is very intersting to get Russian point of view !Khabarovsk Krai and beyond have also their own history, they are written in Cyrillics but the problem is that words pronouciations are Tungusic but anyway i'm "confident" about Russians sources. | |||
| :As for the Cyrillic alphabet, learning it is quite easy. I'm sure you'll be able to fluently read it after less than a week of flashcard drilling. You won't, of course, understand much, but you'll have sufficient knowledge to figure out that "Вяземский", for example, is "Vyazemsky". It's only 33 letters, and a good chunk of them looks the same as the letters in the Latin alphabet. It took me about a month to learn how to read hiragana and katakana a while back; Cyrillics is easier to learn by at least a degree of magnitude. | |||
| :: Sure it would be easy to "read Cyrillics" alphabet remeber i tried to reorganize Administration divisions of Prmiorye but as you taught me on that article admnistration system was a bit different, i did not know that because of my lacking knowledge in Russian, of course, on the other hand Russian is your mother tongue, we are therefore able complementing ou skills each other along with other Wikipedian in keeping a NPOV and communicating via English too thanks too Misplaced Pages ! | |||
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| :: Ok let's start slowly but steady and surely. Regards.] 17:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| As for the FEGI source, that one is most certainly reliable. Do you need that passage translated, or just need a general idea of what it's about?—] • (]); 18:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Have fun ! It would be interesting to get Russian and Tungusic (aboriginies/autochtones) peoples point of view. I hope they would be neutral in that conflict of ideology.] 18:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Ah, gotcha. Цзинь (bottom part)=Jin, Хэйшуй (top left)=Heishui, Мохэ (top right)=Mohe.—] • (]); 21:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| :::: About your Manchurian historiography, I think it's pretty good, you've put a lot of effort in to it. However, I think it's missing some important elements, such as proto-Korean ethnicities like the Ye and the Maek tribes. Also, I think it'd be a good idea to include some important archaeological entities like Hongshan and Xiajiadian cultures, like the Jeulmun and Mumun pottery culture in the History of Korea template. ] 22:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Help where?Where's the article that you're working on? I'm a bit confused. Cydevil38 22:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
RfC User Conduct on Assault11I have filed for a RfC User Conduct on Assault11 for disruptive editing at template:History of Manchuria. The RfC needs more than one disputant to sign it to have it come to effect. As one of the editors who's been disputing with Assault11, can you please certify the basis for this dispute? Please read the description, then sign here if you agree with it. Cydevil38 15:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC) manchu wikipediasorry for the late reply, I've kind of busy in real life and haven't been on wikipedia on a regular basis =(. in reply to your idea of a manchu wikipedia, that sounds like a great idea! unfortunately I'm not a native speaker and still learning as well. Anyway on another related matter, I see that you are also interested in expanding the information available on the English Misplaced Pages as well. A Translucent Mirror: History and Identity in Qing Imperial Ideology by Pamela Kyle Crossley is a very good source in case you're looking for English sources to cite. . Abstrakt Let me take a lookGive me some time for the Balhae sources. Good friend100 11:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Manchu-English dictionaryNot sure if this might help your work on Manchu wikipedia but here's the link. http://www.anaku.cn/Blog/index.php?job=art&articleid=a_20060818_221852
Cautious POVHey, I'm sorry. I was just mocking the proposal of being cautious about POVness when POV is obviously zero. See you around. (Wikimachine 02:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)) template:History of ManchuriaI've seen your template and I'd disagree with it. Its title is anachronistic and its usage is virtually nil under historical context, so it's not appropriate for a template on history. Also, it's overly long. Manchuria is the most common term used under historical context, which has been proven by google books search, and it's common sense for people who often read about the region's history that Manchuria is the most common term and using "Russia" or "China" to refer to this region in relation to historical entities is absurd. Cydevil38 04:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Northeastern China is just a sad excuse to continue pushing for Northeast China(previously titled Northeastern China until User:Naus change it a few weeks ago), and Jiejunkong is just selectively interpreting the WP:NCGN to fit his needs. This template is on history, which means that it's written under historical context. Read the WP:NCGN, where it says If the place does not exist anymore, or the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used. I have repeatedly provided evidence that under historical context(i.e. in relation to the template's contents), Manchuria is by far the most common name. If Manchuria cannot be used in modern context because "it does not exist anymore", then that post-Manchuria part of the region's history should be split off from the History of Manchuria template. WP:NCGN provides an excellent example in this regard:
It is even controversial whether "Northeast China" is the "single widely accepted English name in modern context", since Manchuria is also commonly used in that regard. And in historical context, Manchuria is by far the most common term to refer to that region. And could "Northeastern China" be a viable geographic term used under historical context? The major problem with this usage is that not only is it not clearly defined in authoritative sources such as dictionaries, it is also anachronistism at its worst, because "China" is a cultural region, and since this cultural region fluctuated considerably throughout history, this "northeastern" China constantly changes geography-wise. These users are just trying to push for a sinocentric term disregarding the opinion of others. Many editors have already expressed their preference for Manchuria and opposed Northeast China. Jiejunkong et al should just learn to live with compromises and opinions of others. Cydevil38 10:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
WP:NCGNI have just read WP:NCGN in detail, and here's what I found.
Thank youThank you for your support for the future gan.wikipedia.org --Jose77 01:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC) on your proposal for changes to the templateCan you maybe cut down on some of the contents? It has way too many entries and when it is actually put on articles, it will clog it significantly. I think it has a lot of extraneous elements to it, such as ethnic groups. You don't have to include all ethnic groups into the template, perhaps just some of the ethnic groups that had a significant role in Manchuria's history. You can create another template on all the ethnic groups of the region, or other regions, such as Northeast Asia. Also, don't mind too much about the title of the template. Jiejunkong and Wikipokemon continues to dispute the title, but so far have provided no evidence to their claims and ignores the recommended protocol set forth by WP:NCGN. They should just learn to work by consensus rather than personal preferences. If they think they can establish Northeast China as the appropriate name for the template, they should do so per the recommended protocol from WP:NCGN and file for a Request for Move to reach a conesnsus. Otherwise, don't mind the title, just focus on the contents. Cydevil38 02:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Then perhaps we can present "less important" entities that had minor roles in the region's history with smaller fonts, and also present ethnic groups or treaties in smaller fonts. At least that will save some space. What do you think? Cydevil38 00:29, 7 July 2007 (UTC) List of monarchs of Korea한국사이긴 하나, 중국의 식민기구이므로 포함시키면 안됩니다. 어느 한국인도 이 기구들의 통치자들을 자국왕이라 생각하지 않습니다. Between Korea one it is long, when it is a colonial organization of China it is not included it is made. Which Korean does not think the rule people of these organizations the home country king.--Korea history 01:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC) Korean History ForumHello, Are you interested in running a Korean History forum? I already have one running but I don't have the time to maintain I was hoping a new forum could be created, where I could transfer all of my data and members to yours, are you interested? Jegal 00:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC) The relation between Hungarian and Mohe/Jurchen/MongolHey, thank you for posting a new reference in Dae Jung-sang. I believe Hungarians were originally from northwestern Asia but hasn't found enough proof. The new reference is quite useful.--Jiejunkong 00:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC) Missing image Image:Manchuria basin.JPG To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Image:Manchuria basin.JPG, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. --Android Mouse Bot 2 10:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC) "North East" China geography stub typesSee my earlier edit comment. What you're doing is essentially vandalising these templates. The whole point of a stub template is that it populates a category: removing the category completely defeats the purpose of having them. The current scheme is consistent with Northeast China, with the other stub categories also corresponding to PRC-designated "regions". The individual provinces also don't have enough articles to have their own stub categories. If you have some objection to this scheme, please proposed changing it at an appropriate venue and get consensus to do so, or if you really must, propose the stub category for deletion (or renaming, or replacement with something else). I'm going to fix these (again), and if you keep "de-categorising" them, I'll protect them. Alai 16:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
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