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A credible report was posted on Facebook today, from one of Steve Rubenstein's close friends, that Steve has died in Liverpool, where he was a Reader in Anthropology at the University of Liverpool. His friend has left contact details on Steve's Facebook page, in case anyone wants to get in touch. I've been in touch with him, and there is currently no firm information about what happened.
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Anyone who came into contact with Steve will know what a wonderful human being he was. He was with Misplaced Pages from almost the beginning – his first edit was on 12 December 2001, registered with the User ID 98. He was active over the years on several sourcing policies; and on articles about race, anthropology, evolution, gender, feminism, Judaism, and Christianity. He was one of those editors who really understood Misplaced Pages, who really got it. He had the concept of a living encyclopaedia that anyone could edit in his bones, and was fierce in his defence of that idea whenever he saw it threatened.
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That he has the novice editor's badge on his talk page says a lot about his attitude to Misplaced Pages. He never wanted to talk about who he was, and what he had done – not because it was a secret, but because he wanted to be judged by his edits alone.
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He was one of the most erudite people I've ever encountered, and one of the most intellectually welcoming and generous. There wasn't anything that Steve didn't have an interesting perspective on, and he was happy to explain his views to anyone, if he felt he or they, or anyone else reading it, might benefit from the exchange. He was also one of the nicest people I knew. He was big-hearted, and he was brave, and he had humility. My heart goes out to his family and close friends. The world has lost someone very special. ] <small><sup>]]</sup></small> 03:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
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:I find myself in full agreement with SlimVirgin. This is quite a loss to the encyclopedia, and to the free culture movement. Rest in peace. ] (]) 09:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


*This is such a loss, not just to our wikipedia community but also, to the wider intellectual community. Steve was a great asset to this project and a fantastic colleague here. As SV said, he was one of the most generous people (of his time, his thoughts and his energies) that I've had the pleasure of encountering. My condolences to all who knew him - he will be sorely missed. Rest in peace Steve---] <sup>]</sup> 01:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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*A great loss to all of us. Thoughts and prayers to his family and those close to him.] (]) 02:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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*What a great loss. I always admired his work. My thoughts are with his family --] &#124; ] 02:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. ] (]) 02:50, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I can't remember if we ever directly interacted, but I do remember watching your work from afar and being absolutely amazed. Thanks ''so'' much for all the time you donated to Misplaced Pages and maintaining a bit of sanity here. ] (]) 03:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is very sad. Steve was a wonderful man, kind-hearted, helpful, thoughtful, giving. He was also a great wikipedian. A terrible loss; I'm just one of many who will miss him. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is shocking. And tragic. Steve was one of the few people who made that transition from "person I knew in Misplaced Pages" to friend. I learned a lot about being a Wikipedian from him. And I think I learned some important things about being an academic. And a person. You will be sorely, sorely missed. We are better for having known you, and diminished for no longer having your light in our lives. ] (]) 05:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*The encyclopedia has lost a dedicated and reliable wikipedian. ] (]) 06:00, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*What a great guy. I will miss him. A pity I never had a chance to meet him in person. My thoughts go out to his family. -- ] (]) 11:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I heard through the grapevine you are gone :'( Goodbye old friend xxoo --] 12:05, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
* This is very sad. My warmest sympathies go to any family he had, and all his friends. ] ]] 13:47, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
* I'm saddened by this. ] (]) 14:11, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
* Some of my earliest interactions on Misplaced Pages were with Slrubenstein and he helped forge in me an appreciation for considerate, thoughtful dialogue even concerning charged issues. We had many cordial disagreements but his manner of explaining his views and his evident concern for doing the right thing always increased my respect for him. I will miss him. ] 14:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*My thoughts and payers go out to Steve's family and friends. He will be missed. ] (]) 15:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is very sad and much too soon. Best wishes to his family, friends and colleagues. ] (]) 15:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I'd never interacted with SIr personally but have watched his interactions and so learned much from him over the years. I wish him, the peace beyond understanding, and send condolences to his friends and family.(] (]) 15:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC))
*So sorry to hear this. I admired his work and his thoughtful comments in discussions. He will be missed. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I knew him only as an exemplary WP editor: knowledgeable, helpful, humble. RIP. ] (]) 17:01, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*Through personal correspondence, Steve and I found out that we had been at the same university in England during different periods. Although Steve was younger than me (not so much), I valued his comments more than almost any other contributor to wikipedia, even if sometimes we disagreed forcefully in private. His parting leaves me desolate. ] (]) 18:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*Devastatingly bad news. Steve was one of the longest serving editors on this project and was willing to tackle some difficult articles...he always did so with wisdom and humility. Essentially one of the founders of this website, we owe so much to him for all he did. Steve will be sorely missed...all condolences to his family and friends.--] 20:09, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*I too am terribly saddened by this news. My condolences to Steven, to his friends on and off this project, and to his family. ] (]) 21:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*SLR will be missed dearly. I have nothing but fond memories and great respect from my on-wiki interactions with him. He truly had a significant positive impact on many individual editors (which can be clearly seen by many of the above comments), and Misplaced Pages as a whole is better off because of him. -]&nbsp;</sup>]] 21:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
*An immeasurable and heartfelt loss. We are far, far better people for our time together. My sincerest condolences. ''Vieglas smiltis.'' ]<small> ►]</small> 01:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*While Steven Rubenstein's untimely passing is a loss for us, his family and his friends, we must also recognize that we have gained more than we have lost, immeasurably so with the precious time we have been privileged to spend in his presence, however brief. Let us then celebrate his life and the significant contributions he has made to Misplaced Pages and the world at large within the fleeting moments of a human life span. It may be appropriate to remember Steven by naming a barnstar after him for use on ] or some other award that might memorialize his presence into the future. ] (]) 02:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*I just don't have the words to describe how sad I feel about the passing of this wonderful man, I can only give my most heartfelt condolences to his family and friends who have suffered such a great loss - indeed a great loss to us all. ] <small>]</small> 11:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*Deepest condolences...] ] 15:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*Saddened by the news...] (]) 18:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*This is deeply saddening and untimely, condolences to Steves family and friends. A terrible loss. . . ], ] 19:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*We are all diminished by this loss. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 21:17, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
*We will all miss you dearly. <b>]]]</b> 01:16, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*A great loss - now to the greater work of any Editor (per Ben Franklin) ] (]) 01:30, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* SLR was a Wikipedian who knew what he talked about. A sad loss. --] (]) 07:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* We never met, but I considered him a friend and will miss him. --] (]) 07:27, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* As per all of the above, my condolences to his family. A sad enough loss for us, but sadder still for them. ] <sup> ] </sup>~<small> ] </small> 13:31, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
* I was not expecting this, and am sorry to hear it. Thank you for your long service to Misplaced Pages. ] 13:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*You will truly be missed. Thank you for your time here... -- ] (]) 18:53, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
*I offer my condolences to his friends, family and loved ones. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 05:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
*A huge loss of a real encyclopedist. Some more info: . ] (]) 11:32, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
*Wow. Sorry to learn of this. -- ] (]) 17:34, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
*Steve's passing is a big loss to the encyclopedia. He was a great guy and he will be missed. ] (]) 16:59, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
* Such sad news. Thank you for everything you did here Steven, may you rest in peace while your work lives on. ] ] 12:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
* Steven was a terrific man: his intelligence, interest, dedication and compassion shone through even the electronic communication of this encyclopedia. His death is a terrible loss to this community and to his wider real world one, but he has left us a great legacy. Let us learn from it and put it to use. --] (]) 13:09, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
*Alas, one of the greats. ''''']]]''''' 06:16, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
*Will be sorely missed. Exemplified the true Wikipedian. '']&nbsp;]'', <small>20:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC).</small><br />
*Misplaced Pages and the world by extension have lost a great source of knowledge and teaching. Condolences to those who loved him and those who learned from him. --'']] ]'' 04:44, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
* I'm shocked and saddened to hear that you are gone. You were one the the good guys, and worked hard to make WP better. You will be missed - ] <sup>]</sup> 05:43, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
* A great loss to the community and, I'm sure, to those who knew him personally. Slrubenstein was uncommonly clueful, refreshingly forthright, and had the ] I've ever seen. ] (]) 08:57, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
*I'm stunned by this sad, sad news. He was the quintessential wikipedian--devoting countless hours with no expectation of acknowledgement, reward, no self-promotion.-- ] (]) 07:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
*I only just heard the news. I'm not sure if we've ever met, but it's sad news nonetheless. Rest in peace, Steve. ] (]) 22:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
*I only just now noticed it myself. Steve was one of the best and most neutral and knowledgeable editors I knew of, particularly for material relating to Judaism and Jewish history. Those who knew him more closely than I did have my condolences. As someone who has some religious beliefs myself, he has my prayers. Also, Steve, hoping that you have achieved a better position now, I sincerely hope that when circumstances permit you might look down at what we do here. We could use any and all help from the side of the angels as we could get, and I hope that you might not be too disappointed with what you might see being done down here from now on. ] (]) 23:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
*He will be missed. My sincere condolences to his family and close friends. ] <sup>]</sup> 06:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
*Sigh .. I also just noticed this. What a great person Steve was, and we are all the poorer for the loss, yet all the richer for having his input. My prayers to his family. You will be missed sir. — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 13:06, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
*Condolences; he will be missed and remembered. ] (]) 09:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
*Very sad news. Steven was a valuable contributor. --] (]) 12:15, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
*Please, please no... Thank you for everything, Steve. Rest in peace. --] (]) 21:21, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
*I am shocked. I just learned about this today. I have known Steven through our edits on the ]. There were times when we agreed on a range of issues and there were other times when we disagreed vehemently about a specific edit. I just wish our last few interactions on Misplaced Pages were more positive. Regardless of what one thinks of him, Steve was always force for good in Misplaced Pages. He will be sorely missed. ] (]) 22:30, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
*I am so saddened to hear of this. He was the first editor to greet me and I had immense respect for him.. One of the people that make Misplaced Pages worthwhile. I will really miss this man who was so gracious, supportive, and kind to me in this realm of Misplaced Pages. He had a "way" of recruiting you to contribute to articles because he was "all in" to make Misplaced Pages work and wanted to make great articles. He also had a great sense of humor from our interactions. He welcomed me to Misplaced Pages Aug 30, 2006 and over the years I called him a friend. ] (])
* It is very sad. I learned from discussions with him, or reading how he discussed with others, ] (]) 19:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


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Will it be possible to collect a free image of Steven Rubenstein, so that we can add it here: ]. The only image I have found ] is a copyrighted one, and we can not add it in deceased Wikipedian page! Anyone to help here? --<small style="border: 2px dotted;padding:1px 4px 1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' ''']'''</small> 18:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
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We are Steve Rubenstein's parents. We have established a memorial to Steven through the American Jewish World Service. I am attaching the pertinent page at AJWS. For the contributor who asked for a picture of Steve, you will find one on that page Feel free to copy it on to the Misplaced Pages site. It is one which we personally picked because it shows so clearly the kind, loving person that was Steve.
I'm sorry for not having taken a look at postmodernity, postmodernism, and political economy yet. I've been a bit busy lately... You're both exceptionally qualified to contribute to these articles, so I'm sure that you'll reach an agreement, though. ] 21:13, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If I am unsuccessful in copying the web page, you can find it by going to American Jewish World Service web page and taking it from there. Perhaps one of you Wikipedians can find a way to spread the word. Next to Anthropology, Judaism and his close friends and family, we think Misplaced Pages was his greatest love.


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I appreciate you making sure that my user page wasn't killed entirely by CheeseDreams vandalism :) It's upsetting she would do this. ] 22:29, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:I'm beginning to wonder myself. Then again, I'm not exactly what you'd call "stable" either at the moment. I'd have some sympathy if that was the case. You think I should remove CheeseDreams from VIP? - ] 00:30, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::No, I think you should leave ] there. ] 00:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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<code>The word "apocalypse" was not borrowed from Hebrew or the Jews, it is a Greek word.</code>


Hi again, Slrubenstein. I hope you are doing well. I am writing to you because I noticed your above comment, and while I am no expert, still, I'm not sure whether it is correct to simply call it Greek. Please note the following from :


:''An "Apocalypse," in the terminology of early Jewish and Christian literature, is a revelation of hidden things given by God to some one of his chosen saints or (still oftener) the written account of such a revelation. The word is derived from the Greek &#7936;&#960;&#333;&#954;&#940;&#955;&#965;&#968;&#953;&#962;, "uncovering," "disclosure"; a noun which does not appear at all in classical Greek, and in the later profane writers is not employed in any way that corresponds to the use above mentioned; it seems to have originated among Greek-speaking Jews, and then passed from them to the Christians, who developed it still further.''


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For the three years of his field work for his PHD. from Columbia, our son & brother Steven Rubenstein lived with the Shuar Indians in the Oriente, the Ecuadorean rainforest. He shared their food, their work, their living quarters, their way of life. The Shuar, the only indigenous people in all of Latin America never conquered by the Spaniards, adopted Steve into the tribe and gave him the name, Nanki (brother). They became his second family and one of his prime concerns was the preservation and protection of Amazonian peoples, their culture and their environment..


Steven's other great love was his Judaism. He was a graduate of the Jewish Theological Seminary, had been accepted by the Rabbinical School, and for a time he was torn between that career and anthropology. Although he chose the latter, Steve never lost his passion for Jewish thought, Jewish tradition, and especially tikkun olam, "healing the world."
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When Steven was in the midst of his field work, he travelled to the Oriente, where major oil corporations were exploring and drilling. We remember the shock he expressed at the disregard they exhibited for the effect of drilling on the environment and on a people whose lives depended on the ecological health of that area. You may, in fact, have read about various lawsuits here and in Ecuador that have resulted from this drilling.
That may well be so but it doesn't excuse the completely untrue material which appeared on the main page, particularly the stuff from Josephus which everyone knows is a forgery. I am going overseas tomorrow but when I come back in February I will take an axe to ]. ] 00:39, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Amazon Watch is an international organization that works to protect the rainforest, to advance the rights of indigenous peoples in the face of large-scale industrial development, including oil and gas pipelines, power lines and roads, to press for corporate accountability and to preserve the Amazon's ecological systems.
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American Jewish World Service partners with Amazon Watch in its Northern Peru Project, which specifically works to accomplish these goals. Although the country is Peru, this specific area was once part of Ecuador and is in a region of the Amazon relatively near to the Ecuadorean Oriente, where Steven lived and worked. We, Steven's family, think that support of this effort is an ideal way to combine his two great loves, Judaism and human (including indigenous) rights.
You're welcome. I hope Jacquerie27 is sometime going to recognise the error of his ways. :-) ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 21:10, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)


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Wondering if you want to second the request I made at ]. Amgine has made a practice of keeping records of "misdoings", and I think it's outside the bounds of civility. You are the subject of one of these. -- ] ] 04:33, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC)


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I don't know that you are correct in your spelling change at ]: ''idiographic'' is in current use. I'm pretty sure that your edit comment at ] is not correct, in that my dictionary suggests that this may be an adjective derived from ]. It would be helpful if you actually wrote something at ], so that we could take this forward.

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== Recent dust-up ==

Hi,

The current discussion is upsetting to me because it seems that many people are defending their own views of and these views hold a position at the center of their pictures of themselves. I got into this discussion after being rather brutally chased off by JDG. At first I wasn't going to bother because I tend not to tangle with people who do not "fight" fair. When Peak got into the discussion I felt that I had to back him up because JDG was doing the same kind of "Get lost, squirt!" thing to Peak that he had done to me. Your name kept coming up in JDG's posting as a presumed co-conspiritor, along with somebody else who was included among what JDG called "the three principle contributors" to the article that had merited such high praise that it was never to be changed.

Later, you came into the discussion, and we tangled at great length. I may have given you less credit in my own mind as someone with an open view on things because you were so firmly bonded in my picture of this rather strange little world to JDG. My objection (then as now) was to the first sentence. Back then it was, "Race is a taxonomic principle used to group living things based on common heredity, physical attributes and behavior, where all members belong to the same species yet appear to warrant further classification." You defended it and JDG defended it, and I thought that I could never get you to see what is wrong with it or to change it. Looking back at that sentence now, after mulling this problem over and over again, I think it has the same defect that it originally did, but that purged of that defect it would be the best way to define things.

Much of the problem stems, I suspect, from the simple fact that the word "race" in the title of the article is singular. The reality is that whether or not there is one '''true''' (Platonically speakingn, of course) account of , there are about as many accounts of as there are thinkers who try to deal with the question of whether to sort people out and, if so, how to sort them out.

As soon as we start talking about it becomes clear (as I think you have said, at least implicityly, very many times) that there are many and they all involve different people's ways of grouping people. So couldn't we say that are groups of people that are aggregated by various people in various ways? I think Rikurzhen's idea of setting forth the various "schools" of classification is very helpful, and am rather dismayed that he seems to have a favorite scheme and seems ready to proclaim that '''that''' actually exists. To go back to your (?) original formulation, couldn't we say:

:Races are groupings of living things on the basis of several competing rules of categorization, for instance, hereditary connections, physical attributes, language and other such cultural acquisitions, where all members are acknowledged to belong to the same species yet appear to warrant finer division yet failing to meet the relatively more rigid requirements for subspecies status.

You and some of the other people who have worked on these articles have a finer hand at setting these things forth. But I think everyone could agree that this description fits the facts of what people are actually doing (and it also takes in the borderline cases of, e.g., Chinese views of "race" -- which basically boils down to 2 groups, us and them, which is why they are often categorized as ethnocentric without being called racist).

If we can nail this point, then we can ask who the adherents of "3 races," "4 races," "by marker characteristic," "by genetic propinquity", etc., etc. Also, who groups races by language and/or culture? (I think most of the people I associated with in Taiwan were willing to accept me as "one of them" to the extent that I could assimilate to their culture. My appearance didn't seem to be an issue. In Japan I could be in an "in group" with 10 Japanese, and another Japanese from across the street or from another dormitory could be in their "out group", and all of the "in" and "out" seems to have been built on "aftermarket" factors, i.e., nothing much to do with genetics or language or anything I could ever figure out.)

I hope that we can agree on the basics and work together. I don't like the prospect of another war. On the other hand I don't want to see the article depart from objectivity (even if it is in a way that its adherents regard as "true".) ] 01:41, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Who said that?

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You said: ''s such, this deserves its own article, linked to sociology'' &ndash; as the title for my comment directly above indicates, it already does. Who said that?

] 02:05, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I was being whimsical, sorry for any confusion. More on that at my talk page.

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== Critical theory section on Marx article ==

Hello, I'm wondering if you might be convinced to change your mind on retaining the section on critical theory (by the user "192") in the Marx article. The section is poorly written, reads like a school report, and adds nothing to the article, instead briefly summarizing Marx badly. It's not wikified to boot. Do you think you might be convinced that it should indeed be chopped? --] 15:38, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

*Oops, I must've misread your edits. I thought you re-added it. --] 07:42, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== evolution/lineage/race ==

Yeah, I was thinking they should be merged because they are more or less continuous. The only thing that slows me down is the existence of the "validity" sub-article, which is a real mess. I could probably move things around within the main article, but I don't know how to manage the material between the 2 articles. --] 21:51, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

No, I mean the full article (]) that branched a while ago. Lots of details, but mostly a mess. --] 22:17, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with your suggestion. One problem: I think there is a better source than the 1995 source for the POV they were expressing in the other article. I'll move that over and put your quote in the talk page for safe keeping. --] 22:50, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

I've done a little bit. Go ahead and give it a shot if you'd like. --] 23:01, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the arguments against can be cut down and condensed. Don't worry about losing stuff, I copied it from the sub-article. --] 00:11, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note you left at ]. I would prefer to discuss by email - you can email me from
the "E-mail this user" link. By the way, I am puzzled that the ] article still carries the statement that "This article is about race as an intraspecies classification." It seems to me that there should probably be a page that deals with the generic meaning of race in biology, and perhaps a ] page as well. What do you think? ] 06:57, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Cultural relativism==

Thanks for your comments. I looked over the article and I liked your work a lot. Well written, detailed, and organized. I will take a look, periodically, and I let you know if I think of anything...and please do what you can to improve moral relativism. I've done about all I'm going to do on that one; it was taken over a while back by someone trying to promote universism, a quasi religious outlook, and the technical philosophy was a disaster. By the way, I also like the stuff you did on the Jesus article. Best ]

== ] ==

Certainly excellent, though I think there will be some issues. You are a bit POV in places (e.g. "...he was making a profound point..."), but it's clearly generally very solid.

My only other issue is that you provide a daunting collection of references but don't make it at all easy to see what statements are cited from what reference. That is to say, this probably calls for some more specific "embedded" citations. I recommend this mostly in terms of defending it from less knoledgable editors in the future.

Damned impressive, in any event. -- ] | ] 21:04, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

== RfAr ==

CheeseDreams has raised a Request for Arbitration against you.

: Looks like this has already been resolved. Do feel free to keep me posted if it comes up again. ] 17:05, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

== CD ==

In short, yes. See my talk page for more. --] 01:31, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

:Blocked for five days. --]] 01:40, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

Give one warning then treat this person as if he/she were CD. See my talk page for the longer version. --] 19:33, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

:Cheesedreams is now editing under User:Cheese-Dreams. I thought all the sockpuppets were blocked? I've blocked this one now anyway. --]] 23:44, 2005 Jan 31 (UTC)

I looked at but it doesn't look like that ip has edited much besides "Cultural and historical..." lately. Same for Tigermoon. So, I'm left not quite sure what edits you were referring to that you thought I should look at? ] 22:46, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Jewish ethnocentrism==

When Israeli social scientists discuss ethnocentrism in Israeli society, they often, as a matter of convention use the term Arab ''viz.'' Jewish ethnocentrism. This should not be a surprise to anyone, no other form of ethnocentrism is more pertinent to them than that which is encompassed in domestic conditions. ]

==Citing sources templates==
SL, you might be interested in the voting at Templates for deletion. There are votes to delete the "cite sources" and "unreferenced" tags here and ] 10:30, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

== Your email address ==

Could I snag this? Also, have you ever read ]? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. - ] 04:13, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
:I wondered if you might have. That's a primary source for CheeseDreams with her ]. Check out what I've written so far in the article on it. I thought you might be interested. - ] 00:59, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
::No, it isn't really a source at all. That's just your attempts to claim it is a source so you can say that it is disreputable and therefore (via ] argument) claim the facts are disreputable. ] 21:05, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Cheesedreams ==

Could I get you to comment on this, or certify it? I'm getting sick of the harassment. ]. - ] 04:54, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Amir1 ==

I think you are an admin. If so could I ask you a favour and have a look at ], subsection "poor command of language" and ]'s increasingly hostile and abusive 'contributions'? I do think a period of enforced cool down would be of benefit for him. Thanks ] 20:35, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! ] 22:30, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==WP:AN/3RR==

Sorry I got your comment disordered. I was moving a comment TonyS had left in the place on the main page where that section used to be, and I slotted his thing in in time order, just in front of yours. ] ] 18:08, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Goy ==

I am fully aware of the various meanings of the word ''goy'', but the fact remains that if you are walking down the street in either Jerusalem or New York and you hear the word ''goy'' (or ''goyim''), there is better than 90% chance it means "non-Jew(s)" and better than 50% chance it is being used perjoratively. You must know that. --] 23:51, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Tigermoon ==
Just FYI, it looks like Tigermoon has requested arbitration against you. I just reverted her on Cultural and Historical... again. Gets tiresome after a while. ] 18:16, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Small mind ==
''From Xed's talk page'':

Your treatment of Jimbo, who has spent more money on this project than the average person will see in his/her life and is now working on it more or less full-time, frankly sickens me. ]] 15:01, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
:I hope you get better soon. The many who suffered because Jimbo thought a banner was unnecessary may take longer to heal. - ].].
You have such a small, petty mind. ] 19:08, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

''placed on my page''
:So wanting a link to allow to the tsunami aid is evidence of a small and petty mind? Fuck off you little shit - ].] 23:13, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
What on earth are you talking about? When I wrote that message on your talk page, there was ''nothing'' there about "tsunami relief," so I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you really not know what I was talking about? You have a small and petty mind because of the combination of ignorance, arrogance, and meanness with which you insult Jimbo. Since this is pretty obvious to everyone else, I thought it would be obvious to you. ] | ] 14:40, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
::You're comment was right underneath a discussion of tsunami relief! I've no idea why you think wanting to provide relief to tsunami victims is small and petty. I've no idea why you support people whose actions in trying to prevent Misplaced Pages from having a donations section on the front page have caused a great deal of suffering. But I suggest you keep your disgusting opinions to yourself - ].] 16:31, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
There is ''no'' mention of tsunami relief in this section (except for my query, posted today). There is however ample abuse of Jimbo, including blaming him for the suffering of others. Please keep your disgusting opinions to yourself. ] | ] 16:58, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
:Clearly, you missed the Ayn Rand link. Even user Pakaran, in the section below, knew what the conversation was about. Only Slrubenstein seems confused. Either you are too hopelessly stupid to work this out, or you loathe the people affected by the Tsunami for whatever racial or bigoted reason. - ].] 17:19, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It is simply shameful that you use the suffering of others as a shield behind which you try to hide your own abusive, bullying demeanor. ] | ] 18:01, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
:Speak for yourself. - ].] 18:05, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Uh-duh! I am speaking for myself. ] | ] 20:45, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Xed arbitration==
This matter has been accepted and is at ]. Evidence to ]. It is uncertain whether or not the offlist email can be considered as evidence in this matter, a ruling on that will be necessary. ] 14:50, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

:Don't move my comments, Rubenstein. You have already indicated on Bauder's talk page that you "do not mind Xed writing comments in my evidence section". -].] 16:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I am guessing you are ten years old. ] | ] 19:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Xed is blocked for 24 hours, please continue to edit your section of the evidence page to suit yourself. ] 19:20, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Regarding that material on the talk page you might try <s>striking</s> through it. Although I see no problem with removing it. ] 22:51, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)

==]==
Sorry to say, but you caught me just as I was logging off. The most I could do at the moment was to protect the page, which I just did. In the meantime, perhaps you can Rd232, Stirling Newberry, and El C to join in on the discussion on talk. Regards, ] 22:21, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, do you want me to unprotect it? From experience with that user, I'm pretty sure that once there has been one reversion, more will follow until the page is protected. (I never got him to pay attention to talk until someone else intervened and protected the page.) But if you think that it's unnecessary, I'll undo it and later post some comments the next time I'm online. ] 22:32, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Capitalism is an ''economic system'' (theories as to how to interpert it notwithstanding -- it has certain objective charachteristics that most agree to, from all sides of the political-economic specturm) that historically succeeded and superceeded ], which, in turn, was a successor to ]. It involves private ownership over property and the means of production, it involves the use of ''wage'' rather than serf labour. Through capital accumulation, ] capital can, therefore, be seen to have transformed into ] capital; then ] and ] capital, and finally, according to Lenin, ] capital, whereby the four forms mentioned above are increasingly concentrated and centralized as one. Why is there such an emphasis over trade ''viz.'' production, especially industrial production? Why is the intro bulleted? It should be rewritten using normal pargraphs, I think, with the emphasis placed on ownership (private, by capitalists), production (producing commodities for exchange, through wage labour and machinery), and yes, also trade, but alongside, bank and finance, too. These are all changes/factors that should be integrated into the lead. Contrasting it with forms of socialism should come afterwards so as to provide the reader with a clear narrative that, more or less, follows the periodization of the origins of capitalism as an economic system. Does that makes sense to you, SlR and 172? ] 00:44, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

===Unfortunate developments===

I noticed the unfortunate results of the exchage between you and RDII. I attempted to chart-out an approach to the intro (which no one has commented on as all of you seem to be engaged with another, more specific subject/section at the moment). I sort of lost track of the discussion, but do let me know if there is anything I can do to help. (an identical comment was placed on RDII's talk page) ] 23:50, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

== Ultramarine ==

If you can summarize the dispute between Ultramarine and yourself, I will attempt to moderate. Also, if you wouldn't mind doing the same for me over this Flynn effect paragraph; he insists that I'm somehow trying to argue about genetics when I write that Wicherts found that the Flynn effect is qualitatively different than the BW gap; whereas I don't think I'm making a commitment about genetics that needs to be rebuked. He's also hung up about this conclusion not being mentioned in the abstract of Wicherts paper. --] 00:08, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

:Prima facia I would suggest the best compromise is to (A) try to reduce the word count on the MMoM section by (1) summarizing points and/or (2) removing content that may be redudant with other sections; and/or (B) give the text some structure so that it can be more easily treated as part of the overall article. Maybe some of the text could be converted into a list, which may be easier to read and give couterpoints to. Anything to make it seem more like a discussion of race/IQ and less like a book review should satisfy the criticism that this material is merely duplicated. --] 18:17, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

:If you do plan a re-write, consider this quotation. At least on some points Murray and Gould agreed: --] 18:47, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
::Most scholars accept that I.Q. in the human species as a whole is substantially heritable, somewhere between 40 percent and 80 percent, meaning that much of the observed variation in I.Q. is genetic. And yet this information tells us nothing for sure about the origin of the differences between groups of humans in measured intelligence. This point is so basic, and so misunderstood, that it deserves emphasis: that a trait is genetically transmitted in a population does not mean that group differences in that trait are also genetic in origin. Anyone who doubts this assertion may take two handfuls of genetically identical seed corn and plant one handful in Iowa, the other in the Mojave Desert, and let nature (i.e., the environment) take its course. The seeds will grow in Iowa, not in the Mojave, and the result will have nothing to do with genetic differences.

== Elisha ben Abuyah ==

Did you just do a cut-and-paste move ''vis a vis'' Elisha ben Abuyah? History seems to be separated from article. -- ] | ] 20:44, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
:See ]. I'll fix it this time, because I think you may have it to the point where it will take an admin to disentangle it, but in the future, please stick to the "move" tab, and if that won't do it, it's a lot better just to mark the task as needing to be done and letting an admin actually do it. (Unless, of course, you're an admin, in which case you should definitely learn about this in more detail.) -- ] | ] 19:39, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, these are ''so'' hard to fix after the fact. I've screwed it up, I'm going to need to get help. -- ] | ] 19:53, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
::: Wow. What did you do? -- ] | ] 20:24, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
:::I found out (discussion on the Administrator noticeboard): it's one of those things where there is a bug that means the history doesn't show up correctly until the next edit. You edited. -- ] | ] 19:05, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

== ] and "Christian" Bible ==

] has been removing all references to the "Christian" Bible as a "pleonasm". He insists this was agreed to on Dutch Misplaced Pages, and that he is therefore enforcing it here as well. Several other editors and I have been reverting his edits, but he seems quite adamant. Much of the discussion is on ]. He also thinks my recent edits at ] are "pure lies" which "NEED" to be reverted. I was wondering if you could take a look and tell me what you think. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 23:16, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Arbitration Committee ruling ==

] has closed. You are strongly cautioned to avoid even the appearance of a personal attack, even when provoked. Personal attacks even in response are considered unbecoming behaviour for a Misplaced Pages editor. Please see ] for details. -- ]] ] 04:04, 2005 Mar 9 (UTC)

==I'm back!==

Hi SlR, I hope you are doing well. I was away (out of town for a few days, then continued taking a break from WP) for a while. Sorry for having dropped out of
the discussion on capitalism; sadly, my help ended up being, at best, rather meager. For reasons which go beyond the scope of this comment, I'm not sure I'm going to return to it right away, though I may revist the topic/dispute in a little while. Please do not hesitate to email me if you wish to speak in private.

Best Regards,

] 20:51, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Revisionist Zionism ==

Could you please take a look at the dispute at ]? ] is trying to censor material critical of Revisionist Zionism, particularly documented evidence of fascist sympathies among various Revisionists in the early 1930s. ] 23:00, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== ] ==

To add to the requests on this page, could you please take a look at the current edit war going on at ]? There are a couple of anonymous editors, apparently associated with a modern "Nazarene" group, who wish to radically re-write one section into a version which another editor and I see as an advertisement liberally laced with original research. The differences are clear from the edit history, and the discussion is on ]. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 16:12, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:I did ask Wesley, but he's not around much any more. I also asked Seglea, but ditto. I've also asked Jfdwolff; I'm trying to find people who are at least somewhat knowledgeable in the area. I'm hoping between a number of editors we can come to some reasonable resolution that is satisfactory for everyone, and not too time consuming for any individual. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 16:22, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== Bovo-Bukh ==

Thanks. My main complaint is that after Doop's edit, there is ''no'' indication ''where'' in Liptzin's lengthy book one finds discussion of the ''Bovo-Bukh''. My secondary complaint is that once someone cites any other source for this, it will be impossible to know what came from what source. -- ] | ] 20:20, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

== 3RR ==

Just a heads up that RJII has reported you for a 3RR violation on capitalism. He's wrong (the first is a revert of vandalism), but just thought you should know (in case you didn't notice yet). ] 22:41, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)


::however as the reslut of an earlyer revert you have broken the 3RR by 3 minutes. As a reslut you have been blocked for 3 hours. If you wish to appeal please contact another ] or the ].] 12:04, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Because no one reported them and I missed them when going through the history] 21:07, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

By 3 minutes! That made me chuckle. :D ] 00:09, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:This use of the 3RR to ban you is unfortunate, and bordering on harassment. I don't understand why so many Wikipedians ignore the ''purpose'' of the real, and instead use it like a blind-man swinging a club at any noise. I am afraid that this will only serve to push more serious contributors away, leaving only trolls. ]

==Jewish mythology==
Should ] include both Jewish mythology and Jewish folklore? How do the parallel articles in Misplaced Pages (on other mythologies and folklores) handle the distinction (if at all?) In any case, this page is currently false advertising. It does not discuss Jewish mythology. Rather, it only contained a series of religious polemics against anyone who studied Jewish mythology, claiming that they didn't understand Torah-true Judaism. None of the many other Misplaced Pages pages on ] do this, and this page should not do so either. That is a violation of Misplaced Pages policy. People don't come to an encyclopedia to be told that they are heretics are stuck in a Western mindset, even if they are told so politely! I have tried to improve the article slightly, but at present am focusing on the ] article. ] 13:53, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

See the new page on ]. This was a redirect page, sending people to ''Jewish mythology'', but ancient Hebrew mythology and Jewish folklore are so distinct as to deserve separate articles. What is here now is from the 1906 public domain ], but I have been lighty editing the text. (In some ways the text was admirable and scientific, in other ways it discusses many beliefs in terms like "primitive" or "savage".) Any thoughts on structuring, editing, or the like would be appreciated. ] 17:10, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)


===Update: A new proposal===
I don't think it makes sense to have an article on ], ] '''and''' on ]. Indeed, one might fairly say that Judaism has no indigenous mythology distinct from its theology and aggadah. Of course, it is also fair to say that the Hebrew Bible is permeated with stories that have all the characterisitics of what is termed ]. Yet the study of Biblical studies from the perspective of myth is far from the discussion of Kabbalah as myth. It seems to me that we need to remove this particular article on ''Jewish mythology'' altogether, as it attempts to combine far too many distinct topics into one article. As such, I propose that we use this scheme: ] 02:09, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

:] - Studying Judaism's folklore from a historical perspective.
:] - About the non-legal teachings in classical rabbinic literature.
:] - Our present article on ''Kabbalah'' can include scholarly studies of mythological tendencies and themes within Kabbalah. If this section becomes too long, it can be spun off into its own article.
:] - A new article that I just created, discussing how scholars analye Biblical themes and stories as myth.

==]==

I see from the mailing list that you have been having problems over at ]. To try to counter disputes such as this, there is a proposal to have a written policy requiring users to provide sources for information that is queried by other WPians who are acting in good faith. Just wondered whether you'd be interested in offering your comments on ]. Kind regards, ] 17:18, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

==Capita...cake!==

I made the decision to withdraw from the article talk page. Sadly, I am rather confident that the intro will end up glowingly pro-capitalist, representing the views of the Right and Moderate Right, and underrepresenting that of the Left and Moderate Left (again, it should be expected under this socio-economic system called capitalism), as ''must'' be the case for such fundamental articles. I don't have the energy to fight a losing battle over this POV eventuality. Watch this for further generic details. ], ], ], and ] (that's you!) ]''
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SlR, I tried to engage the article talk page, but now I think it was a mistake. I continue to hold that the intro needs to depict capitalism (to use a tripple-negative) not ahistorically, as an economic and as a social system, with the views of the L, ML, MR, and R being representative. As you may have noticed, I did not feel your version accomplished this, in fact, I have doubts as to whether this can be accomplished at all under these conditions. You do seem committed to see this through though, which is terribly foolish/courageous (you choose wish). Sorry for all the verbosity, please continue to feel free to consult me on specific items therein, or on anything for that matter. I apologize if I have given you a different impression with my comment in the article's talk page; it was driven largely by profound frustration which I'm certain you're familliar with, but I do need to be held accountable for my actions, too (déjà vu?). ] 02:48, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:Hi, SlR. This time you have failed to understand my theoretical position on the subject (though I don't blame you), I, in fact, agree with you. Please see my response . I am going to have to continue my thought in private though, as I am not comfortable speaking freely on the subject at this time (which, I should stress, has nothing whatsoever to do with RJII who has been nothing but civil to me). I will email you within a day or two. Yours, ] 12:48, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

== ] nonsense ==

Might be a good idea for you to step back a little bit from this fray -- this is a case where giving the fool enough rope to hang himself will work quite effectively. Let his hysteria be heard; it hurts nothing but his own cause. --]] 18:26, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:I recommend you put ] up for VfD; these kinds of POV forks/personal essays just don't meet the criteria for encyclopedia articles. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 18:42, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I see someone did put up the ] article up for VfD. It is deserved, in my opinion (but see my comments on the Talk page). However, your practice of repeatedly blanking out the page instead of putting it up for VfD or (heaven forbid) editing it is counterproductive. It's basically vandalism, and doesn't accomplish anything but give fuel to those idiots who think there is some sort of Jewish cabal on Misplaced Pages. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:20, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)
===Circumcision and Genocide===
Hi there. I just wanted to say that despite our heated argument and your seeming attacks on me during the recent ] challenge that I do not have not ever had any personal bitterness towards you. I would like to encourage you to start an article on the topic of ] if you have valid references to back you up. I will certainly support such an article and do what I can to help it, in particulair to make sure both sides of the argument are present. Look forward to working with you in a positive way. ] 01:56, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Since no one in a position of power has tried to force Jews not to circumcise since ] (and there ''is'' an article about the ]), it is a moot point. Misplaced Pages doesn't have to have an article on everything -- we don't have an article on ], for example. ] | ] 17:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==&#1511;&#1508;&#1497;&#1496;&#1500;&#1497;&#1494;&#1501; (Capitalism)==

Hi, SlR, as per your request, bellow is the lead paragraph (in full) of .he's which I have translated for you (wikiing in the original) :

:'''Capitalism''' is a ] and ] system that developed in ] between the ] and ] Centuries and entails principally the right of individuals and groups for private ownership over ] and its free use, while relying on the enforecment of property ] through the ]. Under this concept are also included theories whose main purpose is to justify the right for ownership over private property and a direction towards or cancelation of governmental limitation towards its implementation.

I'm not particularly pleased with it (esp. such a heavy emphasis on property rights ''per se.''), while it correctly identifies 'social,' it ommits a pivotal generalization, 'the means of production,' as in the New Webster Dictionary (print) which I cited before: "Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for profit." (p.146) Additionally, there is nothing on relations of exploitation or wage labour: Marx, Dickens, etc., and until recently, a third of the planet who viewed it as such, are absent from the lead. No surprises, I expect this will end up being the case in .en.

Alas, you already know how I feel: a publication dominated by pro-capitalist views is going to present a pro-capitalist view of capitalism, and NPOV be damned &mdash; this is too fundamental a concept for NPOV to have any real meaning. Addressing some of the more obvious intellectually vulgar items (which seems likely, though not certain), will not prevent a supressing of anti-capitalist views, while highlighting the pro-capitalist ones. Again, no surprises, it's the nature of the system, I have no delusions. There is virtually no hope whatsoever for a balanced lead.

So, as per the four branches of political-economy: the (revolutionary) Left, the (evolutionary) Moderate Left, the (reform) Moderate Right, and (classical) Right &mdash; I expect the latter two (esp. the last one, as the current political-economic neoliberal climate promotes this worldview incessently) to be featured prominently and the former two (esp. the first one, most antithetical to the last along the continuum) to not be mentioned at all, or at best (though this is doubtful) depicted with great POV antipathy and distortion. To sum up, far too fundamental a concept for NPOV to have any meaning. And I think that, deep inside, the contributors on the Right (Luis Rib, Silverback, etc.) know this. But they, too, are bound and chained to have the article's lead shaped along these ideological lines. ] 19:48, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== ] ==
The debate has heated up again on ]; I just discovered this now. You might want to comment. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 03:06, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Origin of the Hindu ==

Hi, I read the discussion on your user page about the age of Hinduism and you suggested that Hinduism was created by the British. It reminded me of an article I read recently , which may help you to explain your point, unless the topic has already been settled... ] 22:43, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Original research in ]==

I'm having difficulty getting the notion of original research across to an editor in the ] article; would you be able to help out? ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 22:32, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)


==Jewish philosophy==
A few day ago I created a new introduction to the ] and ] articles. It deals with the meta-issues, and attempts to put the topic in some intellectual perspective. You want to give it a brief look. ] 23:12, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

== Original research at ] ==

I am having a great deal of difficulty explaining the concept of Original research to User AladdinSE at the article ]. He keep trying to insert a sentence which attempts to make the argument that the barrier is like the settlements in creating "facts on the ground". The problem is, only he is making this linkage, he hasn't been able to find a credible source which does so. He insists that because all of his claims are linked to sources, the overall argument isn't original research, even if the argument is a novel one. Do you think you could help in explaining this? ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 03:21, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== ] ==

I've speedy deleted it as a recreation of a deleted article; see ] or ]. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 19:01, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== ] ==
You might be interested in that VfD. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 02:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Jesus!!!!! ==

This is a 3RR warning

:when you leave a message like "mouse error" and "naughty," it is hard to see you as anything other than a vandal. Who are you? You have never contributed to the Jesus article, and have never raised issues on the talk page. ] | ] 20:38, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== 3RR violation on ] ==

I'm blocking you for 24 hours for your violation of the 3RR. --] | ] 23:19, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

:''Vedi la bestia per cui io mi volsi
:''Aiutami da lei, farmoso saggio,
:''Ch'ella mi tremmar le vene e i polsi''

:] 01:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::SlR, in answer to your question,

::''...pacique imponere morem
::''parcere subiectis et debellare superbos. ''

::] 02:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== ] ==

I'm having a debate with ] at ]. Would you mind weighing in with your opinion? ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 21:24, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Here ==
My responses to you and Jay at ]. Shouldnt these arguments be getting old? ;) I think (after all the spilt ink) that my complaint about the bias/shoddyness was well registered, and that he is in process of considering how to correct some of it. (so many words over such a little paragraph) Regards, -]|] 23:20, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) PS you might also be interested in ].

== New: Template:Judaism ==
Hello. I've started a little project at ] as you can see...please help out in any way you can, or tell me why I should just stop it. :-p ] <sup><font color=129DBC>]</font></sup> 14:51, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

== Overlapping edit ==

Apologies, but my edit of ] conflicted with yours. Consequently your amendment has been lost. You might want to put it back. ] 19:01, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Evolution ==
Hi! Whoever it was that changed the ] article was actually correct&mdash;the theory of evolution, describing the descent of all life from a common ancestor, existed before Darwin. What was so novel about Darwin's theories was that they, for the first time, described a plausible mechanism by which evolution could occur&mdash;i.e. evolution by natural selection. A better start to this paragraph would be: The theory of evolution describes the descent of all living organisms from a common ancestor. Under ]'s theory of evolution, natural selection is the principal mechanism that causes evolution -- ] 22:57, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*I'll admit that this is not my specialist subject, but I was thinking in particular of ] and ] who both proposed theories of descent from a common ancestor prior to Darwin. I'm sure that Darwin was at least aware of his grandfather's theories even if he didn't explicitly draw from them in his work. ] 23:23, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Mediation==
;Matters of conduct:
# not explaining himself,
# ignoring my explanation, and then
# declaring that he has explained himself
# I have not explained myself!
;Matters of sources
# Unlikely
;Matters of substance
# do not know what his objections are.
# matter of style and readability,
;Claims
# he claims I am POV warring.
# I do not think I am POV warring,
# I think it is a matter of good style.

Got it, SR. -]|] 23:26, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Jesus==
Hi, got your note; wondering what I can do to help. I know nothing about the subject, as you know, but let me know if I can be useful. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 23:56, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

== Incredible praise! ==

<code>He is incredibly knowledgeable — wide-ranging and often deep, exactly the kind of contributor we want.</code>

Dear SlR, wow(!!), I am truly touched by the aforementioned, strongly supprotive comment you placed at my RfA &mdash;by far my favourite&mdash; especially coming from someone with the sheer depth of knowledge, prodigious scope of contributions, and awe-inspiring reputation, as yourself, it is truly an incredible encouragement! Thank you so very much, for everything, throughout many, many months. Yours, always, ] 01:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

=="Reverend" Cantor==
{{user|Merlinzor}} aka {{user|68.195.57.9}} appears to have a particular fixation on ], Catholic-Jewish reconciliation, and the use of the term "Reverend Cantor". Would you mind looking at his recent edits and giving your opinion? ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 18:22, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

==]==
zen master is cutting up your comments and moving them all over the page; thought you'd want to know. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 21:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

I'm very sorry that I haven't replied to your comment sooner. I agree entirely with the comment you made on ] with regard to the sources and to RoB's understanding of them. I seem to remember a similar argument was had with CheeseDreams. However, where you and I possibly differ is that I don't mind seeing influential popular accounts being quoted (whether Durant or Wells, etc), as long as they're properly critiqued. In fact, I'd prefer that important popular accounts were included, as people are more likely to have heard of them- if we can then show their limitations (by quoting respected academics, etc) then I think that makes for a better, more useful article than otherwise. After all, most popular accounts tend to have (usually more nuanced) academic counterparts. I hope that this makes sense. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. --] 14:32, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I've just seen Jayjig's comment regarding RoB and CheeseDreams- which I agree with. Do you know if the RoB account has been blocked? --] 14:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:I notice that RoB has edited since 1st May. Anyway, I'm going to leave a message on ]'s talk page and see what she says (I wasn't entirely sure how else to alert people to this possibility. --] 08:26, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

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Steven Rubenstein

A credible report was posted on Facebook today, from one of Steve Rubenstein's close friends, that Steve has died in Liverpool, where he was a Reader in Anthropology at the University of Liverpool. His friend has left contact details on Steve's Facebook page, in case anyone wants to get in touch. I've been in touch with him, and there is currently no firm information about what happened.

Anyone who came into contact with Steve will know what a wonderful human being he was. He was with Misplaced Pages from almost the beginning – his first edit was on 12 December 2001, registered with the User ID 98. He was active over the years on several sourcing policies; and on articles about race, anthropology, evolution, gender, feminism, Judaism, and Christianity. He was one of those editors who really understood Misplaced Pages, who really got it. He had the concept of a living encyclopaedia that anyone could edit in his bones, and was fierce in his defence of that idea whenever he saw it threatened.

That he has the novice editor's badge on his talk page says a lot about his attitude to Misplaced Pages. He never wanted to talk about who he was, and what he had done – not because it was a secret, but because he wanted to be judged by his edits alone.

He was one of the most erudite people I've ever encountered, and one of the most intellectually welcoming and generous. There wasn't anything that Steve didn't have an interesting perspective on, and he was happy to explain his views to anyone, if he felt he or they, or anyone else reading it, might benefit from the exchange. He was also one of the nicest people I knew. He was big-hearted, and he was brave, and he had humility. My heart goes out to his family and close friends. The world has lost someone very special. SlimVirgin 03:34, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I find myself in full agreement with SlimVirgin. This is quite a loss to the encyclopedia, and to the free culture movement. Rest in peace. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 09:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
  • This is such a loss, not just to our wikipedia community but also, to the wider intellectual community. Steve was a great asset to this project and a fantastic colleague here. As SV said, he was one of the most generous people (of his time, his thoughts and his energies) that I've had the pleasure of encountering. My condolences to all who knew him - he will be sorely missed. Rest in peace Steve---Cailil 01:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Free image Steven Rubenstein

Will it be possible to collect a free image of Steven Rubenstein, so that we can add it here: Misplaced Pages:Deceased_Wikipedians#Steven_Rubenstein_.28Slrubenstein.29. The only image I have found File:Steven L. Rubenstein.jpg is a copyrighted one, and we can not add it in deceased Wikipedian page! Anyone to help here? --Tito Dutta ✉ 18:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Memorializing Steve

We are Steve Rubenstein's parents. We have established a memorial to Steven through the American Jewish World Service. I am attaching the pertinent page at AJWS. For the contributor who asked for a picture of Steve, you will find one on that page Feel free to copy it on to the Misplaced Pages site. It is one which we personally picked because it shows so clearly the kind, loving person that was Steve. If I am unsuccessful in copying the web page, you can find it by going to American Jewish World Service web page and taking it from there. Perhaps one of you Wikipedians can find a way to spread the word. Next to Anthropology, Judaism and his close friends and family, we think Misplaced Pages was his greatest love.



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Tell A Friend Create a page like this Please bookmark this page. About Steven: For the three years of his field work for his PHD. from Columbia, our son & brother Steven Rubenstein lived with the Shuar Indians in the Oriente, the Ecuadorean rainforest. He shared their food, their work, their living quarters, their way of life. The Shuar, the only indigenous people in all of Latin America never conquered by the Spaniards, adopted Steve into the tribe and gave him the name, Nanki (brother). They became his second family and one of his prime concerns was the preservation and protection of Amazonian peoples, their culture and their environment..

Steven's other great love was his Judaism. He was a graduate of the Jewish Theological Seminary, had been accepted by the Rabbinical School, and for a time he was torn between that career and anthropology. Although he chose the latter, Steve never lost his passion for Jewish thought, Jewish tradition, and especially tikkun olam, "healing the world."

When Steven was in the midst of his field work, he travelled to the Oriente, where major oil corporations were exploring and drilling. We remember the shock he expressed at the disregard they exhibited for the effect of drilling on the environment and on a people whose lives depended on the ecological health of that area. You may, in fact, have read about various lawsuits here and in Ecuador that have resulted from this drilling.

Amazon Watch is an international organization that works to protect the rainforest, to advance the rights of indigenous peoples in the face of large-scale industrial development, including oil and gas pipelines, power lines and roads, to press for corporate accountability and to preserve the Amazon's ecological systems.

American Jewish World Service partners with Amazon Watch in its Northern Peru Project, which specifically works to accomplish these goals. Although the country is Peru, this specific area was once part of Ecuador and is in a region of the Amazon relatively near to the Ecuadorean Oriente, where Steven lived and worked. We, Steven's family, think that support of this effort is an ideal way to combine his two great loves, Judaism and human (including indigenous) rights.

American Jewish World Service will direct all donations in Steven's memory made through this web page to the Northern Peru Project of Amazon Watch.

We'd like to think that Steven is out there, cheering on our collective support of this project, one to which he would gladly lend his name, and a fitting way to carry on his work.

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Putanginamo

Doc tang inaka gawin muna tanga lahat wag ako animal ka..eto lang masasabi ko sayo wag n wag tayo magkita na nasa labas ka yayariin tlga kita putang inamo..hindi mo alam ginagawa mo ginulo mo buhay namin putang inamo kaang animal ka..mag iingats ka mamaya bgla my sumabog sa bahay mo patay kayo lahat dyan putang inaka — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.158.16.223 (talk) 21:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)