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Ultimately, the content of Misplaced Pages is determined by making progress toward a community consensus. However, the size of Misplaced Pages prevents community members from actively following every development. As a result, sometimes it's useful to request broader opinions from the rest of the community. | |||
This page describes the process, including instructions for how and why to create a '''request for comment''' ('''RfC'''), to participate in one, and to end one. | |||
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RfC is one of several processes available within Misplaced Pages's ]. Alternative processes include ], ], ], the ], and, for editors' behavior, the ] and ]. | |||
This page is a way that anyone can request other Wikipedians to help them resolve difficulties and disputes in articles or talk pages. Anyone may visit any of these articles, to help them reach agreement. A good quality RFC can help contributors resolve differences, add different insights, give comments and opinions how others might see some wording, and so on. When listing a dispute here, you should also place a notice on the appropriate talk page. | |||
* A list of all current RfCs can be found at ] (]). | |||
It will help the RFC process if everyone who lists something on this page tries to help out at least one other page listed here. | |||
* An archive of (selected) past RfCs and other discussions can be found at ]. | |||
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== What an RfC is == | ||
A '''request for comment''' ('''RfC''') is a way to ask the ] for input on an issue. Often, the issue is what an article should say. Sometimes it is a proposal for a Misplaced Pages ] or ]. The aim of RfC discussions is to ] the encyclopedia, and they may relate to article content pages, ]; changes to policies, guidelines, or procedures; or other topics. An RfC invites comment from a ] of editors than a normal ] discussion. The normal ] apply to these discussions. | |||
An RfC discussion typically takes place on a section or subsection of a talk page or noticeboard, and is an ordinary Misplaced Pages discussion that follows the normal rules and procedures, including possible ]. Summarizing longer discussions is often helpful, as the purpose of an RfC is usually to develop a consensus about some disputed point. | |||
=== When to use RFC === | |||
Because Misplaced Pages makes decisions by ], an RfC can act as a ]. If, for example, editors cannot agree on whether a certain fact should be mentioned in an article, they can use an RfC to find out what the community thinks and, if a consensus emerges, that usually resolves the dispute. | |||
* RFC is appropriate when you want other wikipedians to visit the page, to allow a consensus or a better quality of decision, to help resolve a dispute or break a deadlock. | |||
* If you simply want ] of an article, then list it at ]. | |||
* If the dispute involves allegations that a user has engaged in serious violations of ], create a ] for the dispute. Use the subpage to elaborate on the allegations. | |||
A ]-assisted RfC uses a system of centralized noticeboards and random, bot-delivered invitations to advertise RfCs to other editors. After an RfC creator adds an {{tlx|rfc}} tag on the talk page that hosts the RfC, a bot will do the rest for them. The RfC is then advertised on a subpage of ], all of which are aggregated at ]. Editors interested in responding to RfCs can visit these pages regularly or ] them. There is also a ] (FRS), in which an editor can subscribe to be notified at random about RfCs at a rate the editor chooses. | |||
=== How to use RFC === | |||
* To request other users to comment on an issue, add a link to the '''Talk''' page for the article, a brief ''']''' statement of the issue, and the date. | |||
* ''Don't'' sign it, don't list the details, and don't submit arguments or assign blame. | |||
* On the '''Talk''' page of the article, it can help to summarize the dispute. | |||
== <span class="anchor" id="BEFORE"></span>Before starting the process == | |||
=== General hints for resolving disputes === | |||
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* Whatever the nature of the dispute, the ] should always be to discuss the problem with the other user. Try to resolve the dispute on your own first. | |||
RfCs are time consuming, and editor time is valuable. Editors should try to resolve their issues before starting an RfC. Try ] on the related ]. If you can reach a consensus or have your questions answered through discussion, then there is no need to start an RfC. | |||
* For disputes over user conduct, before requesting community comment, ''at least two people'' should have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and failed to resolve the problem. | |||
*Don't forget to follow ]. Wikiquette is <u>more</u> important in resolving a dispute, not less. | |||
If a local discussion does not answer your question or resolve the problem, then some other forums for resolution include: | |||
===Another option: Wikiquette alerts=== | |||
*Asking for input or assistance at one or more relevant ], which are often listed at the top of the article's talk page. | |||
For a mild-to-moderate conflict, you might try ]. Wikiquette alerts are an option for a quick, streamlined way to get an outside view. The goal is to nip potential problems in the bud. | |||
*If an article content question is just between two editors, you can simply and quickly ask for a third opinion on the ''']''' page. | |||
*If more than two editors are involved or the issue is complex, dispute resolution is available through the ''']'''. | |||
*If you want general help in improving an article, such as achieving ], then list it at ]. | |||
For a more complete description of dispute resolution options, see the ] and the list of ]. | |||
==Article title disputes== | |||
If you are not sure if an RfC is necessary, or about how best to frame it, ask on the ] of this project. | |||
'''Most recent entries at the top''' -- ''do not sign entries'' | |||
===What not to use the RfC process for=== | |||
* ] -- title dispute involves most appropriate/used name and involves links to other articles. | |||
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{{Hatnote|For the rationale originating this section, see ]}} | |||
*] -- Appropriateness of "conspiracy theory" in an encyclopedic article's title generally. Is it NPOV? Are all "alternative theories" really "conspiracy theories"? Voting in progress. A more general discussion of the dispute can be found at ]. | |||
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==== About the conduct of another user ==== | |||
:''To report an offensive or confusing '''user name''' in violation of ], see subpage ].'' | |||
:''To report ], page blanking, and other blatant vandalism, see ''']'''.'' | |||
Please only list links to talk pages where two or more participants cannot reach ] and are thus stalling progress on the article. Discussions with no new comments in over two weeks old may have dried up, in which case please talk to the people involved to determine whether the problem was resolved. | |||
The use of requests for comment on ] has been discontinued. In severe cases of misconduct, you may try ]. If the dispute cannot be resolved there, then ] may be warranted as a last resort. You may want to read about other options in the ] policy. | |||
'''Items listed on this page may be removed if you fail to try basic methods of ].''' | |||
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== Creating an RfC == | |||
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*] - Multiple users engaged in a RV war beginning with a user (Grace Note) deleting over 50% of the article's content on 04:08. 3 May 2005. Admin user (jpgordon) first engaged himself in the RV war, then used his Admin powers to lock the article to HIS liking; Admin user (Mel Etitis) abused HIS admin powers by banning Wiki users from a debate he himself was involved in.<br> | |||
{{info|align=center|1=You can '''ask for help with writing your RfC question''' on ]. }} | |||
Further background: wholesale deletion of content (vandalism of page) by Grace Note followed a failed Vote-For-Deletion by Islamically-focused POV pushers on article.<br> | |||
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::It's inappropriate to refer to article editing you disagree with as "vandalism". ] explained his edits fully on the Talk page. He removed various material that he felt was original research and not properly sourced. | |||
# Make sure that all ] have been tried. | |||
*] - whether using "Before Christ" (BC) and "Anno Domini" (AD, or in the year of the Lord) or "Before Common Era" (BCE) and "Common Era" (CE) is POV. (Note: see ]) | |||
# '''Open a new section at the bottom of the ]''' of the article or project page that you are interested in. The section heading should begin with "RfC" or "Request for comment", for example "RfC on beak length" or "Request for comment on past or present tense for television series". | |||
*] - Whether and to what extent modern conspiracy theories shall be included. | |||
#*{{anchor|Placing an RfC in a page other than a talk page}}{{shortcut|WP:RFCTP}} In some situations, such as when you expect an extremely high number of comments or there is no obviously relevant talk page, you may instead place an RfC on a subpage of this page or a subpage of a policy page; ] and ] are examples. | |||
*] - '''Star Wars fans:''' Should content from ] be merged and redirected into this article, or the other way around. | |||
#At the top of the new talk page section, insert an {{tlx|rfc}} tag. The tag must list one or more categories as parameters, for example {{tlx|rfc|econ}}. The category must be in lower case. See the adjacent table for the categories and their meanings. | |||
*] — Should article include external link to her Official Support Website? | |||
#* If no category seems to fit, pick the one that seems closest. | |||
*] - In article titles, is consistency (with the official name and other articles) or the "common name" more important? --] (]) 11:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
#* If the RfC is relevant to two categories, include them both in the same {{tlx|rfc}} tag. For example: {{tlx|rfc|econ|bio}}. | |||
*] A quoted passage from a work of fiction refers to balloons as having a "combined lifting pull of 600 pounds." In the context of this article, to assist non-U.S. readers, conversions are added in brackets. Should these conversions be given in kilograms or in newtons? | |||
#* '''Don't add two {{tlx|rfc}} tags in the same edit.''' If you want to start two RfCs on the same page, then read {{Section link|#Multiple simultaneous RfCs on one page}} first. | |||
*] - Need further input about NPOV regarding suicide as a medical emergency vs. a choice. | |||
# '''Include a ] of or question about the issue''' in the talk page section, immediately below the {{tlx|rfc}} tag (see {{Section link|#Example}}). | |||
*] - Disagreement over fair and acurate way to describe Political correctness. | |||
#'''Sign the statement''' with either ] (name, time and date) or ] (just the time and date). Failing to provide a time and date will cause ] to remove your discussion from the pages that notify interested editors of RfCs. | |||
*] -- Disagreement over fair and acurate way to describe the Christian Right. | |||
# '''Publish the talk page'''. Now you're done. Legobot will take care of the rest, including posting the RfC in the proper RfC lists. Whilst Legobot normally runs once an hour, it may take it up to a day to list the RfC, so be patient. | |||
*] - Editor insists that "Most scientists believe in evolution, so it must be true" is a common example of an "appeal to belief" | |||
*] - A page using an unorthodox statistical method to seek consensus about the use of "styles" in biographies (titles like "Her Majesty"). Multiple users have expressed a desire to junk the page (on grounds that the survey is confusing and the options offered vague or inappropriate) and instead use a more usual wikipedia approach to resolving the issue; others seem committed to carrying the survey though to a conclusion which will become policy. | |||
*] - Dispute originally regarding a single sentence in the article has now degenerated into personal attacks and ideological sparring. | |||
*] - whether it is appropriate to put footnotes in small print. | |||
*] - ongoing dispute about the factual accuracy of claims made about Neruda and the NKVD/KGB | |||
*] — dispute over whether McVeigh is a terrorist or whether is is more NPOV to state that he was convicted of terrorism. | |||
*] - Scarcely motivated edits and reverts possibly depending of different understanding of the concept of ]s | |||
*] — Was a recent VfD on this article conducted properly? Did the administrator who judged that VfD act properly? An editor has now posted a request at ] to reconsider the VfD merge. | |||
*]. Is eugenics a pseudoscience? Does evolutionary biology support eugenics? Was Darwin a eugenicist? | |||
*] - How should the article be written, should extensive quotations of the inventor of the term (]) be used, and how should criticism be handled? Ultimately, should the article be merged or deleted? | |||
*] Dispute over how to present different views on UNSC-resolutions. | |||
*] - Multiple disputes over content and ] | |||
*] Are the Kinsey statistics unacceptably inaccurate? Should they be removed from the article? | |||
*]: should the list of wives of Joseph Smith be removed from his article. | |||
*]: There is a discussion about how stub articles on radio masts (large antennas) should be handled. A merger of these stubs into a single table at ] is proposed. | |||
*]: Should the article begin by referring to its topic as "the Prussian Holocaust," and acting as though this is a commonly accepted term? | |||
*]: Should the article contain a section on the ideology of metrication? | |||
*] - should km/h equivalents be to the nearest 1 or 5? --] (]) 13:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
* ] Is the article intrinsically non-neutral, unless reduced to a mere definition? Does serious discussion of the belief system amount to advocacy for the truth of the belief? | |||
* ] Comments needed on whether definition should be changed. I don't want to make a significant change without a consensus as Wiki is no place for orginal researech. | |||
* ] There's a revert war going on, on whether or not the ship ''Battlestar Galactica'' deserves to be disambiguated *in any way*, to point to its article page at all. | |||
* ]. Fundies and the US press have taken his conversion from ] to ] and ran with it, meanwhile atheists are denying he even exists. A right mess. | |||
*] - what exactly is "reposted content"? | |||
*] and ] IP inserted highly questionable paragraphs, those were removed to the talk page and discussed. Discussion on both articles deteriorated into rabid rants and insults, with cross-references to the other debate. (''Note:'' This RfC is more about the discussion style than particular content, so most people will be able to comment despite the rather specialised 2nd topic.) | |||
*]. Dispute over whether ] should link to the British city, Pennsylvania city, California city, Ohio city, or the disambiguation page. | |||
*]. Dispute over whether pictures of bodies from the Kosovo conflict shoudl be included. | |||
*]. Dispute over NPOV, copyrighted photographs. One user is accusing others of harrassment. Other methods of dispute resolution, including requesting comment from other editors and a listing at peer review, have already been attempted. ], please see "How to use RFC" above!] | |||
*]. This article has apparently been a chronic site of edit and revert wars. Current issues of dispute: to what extent should statements like "the NOI believes that Jews control the financial system" be presented as fact? Should extensive quotes from ] be included? Are the ]'s charges relevant to an article on anti-Semitism? | |||
*] - revert war between two editors, mainly about the structure of the article. Should the structure of the article based on "Eastern Perspective"/"Eastern Context" and "Western Context and secular views" or on "gurus in the West and their American and "European followers" and "Assesments of guru's authenticity and criticism"? And also a dispute about one editor alleged disregard for consensus. One editor accuses the other of advocating an anti-guru POV and in return, after this RfC was posted, the other acsuses the other to using the article to minimize the documented problems of assessing the gurus's authenticity and the documented alleged extensive criticism. | |||
*] - dispute between ] and ] over ], attribution, and whether edits are in bad faith. | |||
*] - There is an increasingly heated debate over whether the terms "standards" and/or "ethics" should be in the title, and whether or not the article is about one, the other, or both. | |||
*] - Should the Budweiser ad featuring the abduction of Ganymede, from 1903, be included as an illustration? | |||
*]. The dispute is over the following link and description. The ad was run was c. 1903-5. | |||
*] – We are having a disagreement on the existence of an article on the ''ship'' Battlestar Galactica. As it is a redirect, people might not think to start an article there. | |||
*] - Does the text constitute a copyvio that requires the article to listed as such, or can a rewrite fix it, due to significant added material? | |||
*] - dispute between ] and ] over Flamekeeper's additions to the article, which seem designed to provide material to support the idea of the existence of a Vatican conspiracy to bring the Nazis to power. | |||
*], ], ], and, bizarrely, ]. Hinges on the definition and appropriate use of the terms ''subtance abuse'', ''drug abuse'' and ''drug use''. | |||
*] - should Pokemon stubs be merged into comprehensive lists? | |||
*] Dispute over one user's removal of the entire section about Campaign 2004 - i.e., the issues in the campaign of this U.S. representative and the vote total he received in the election of 2004. | |||
*] - article primarily casting aspersions on the show business biographer, ] | |||
*] A vote on merging this article with ]. | |||
*]: Disputes over basic issues of ] as well as matters specific to ]: Should the terminology used in current phonologies of Swedish in print be favored or should the wikiarticle use nonstandard terminology and ] characters? | |||
*] more than 600 edits since March have turned that article into a publication of Opus Dei, or so it seems. Not even remotely NPOV any more, compare version before those IPs started to edit: . Diff from that: Various complaints on the talk page, too. | |||
*] Should contemporary views and/or possible criticism of the Tribunal, including some from a Russian author, be permitted within the article? | |||
*] Should the discussion of war crimes accusations be greatly condensed, and mention removed from the lead paragraph? | |||
*]; it seems the chap himself has turned up, and he is not very happy (or very notable, but the vfd trolls didn't bite before... | |||
*] Should the Thimerosol article contain or exclude detailed discussion of the suspected connection between autism and vaccination? There's been an edit war going on here for many days. | |||
*] User is making strange and sarcastic comments, and preventing me to change the article for the better with my version, which was an adaptation of the original content after I have done a massive rework (mainly cleanup and adding the Tourism section). I can't understand why they want to restrict information. | |||
*] A defender of the accepted pov is arbitrarily deleting ''all'' contributions by another member, on the grounds that she supports a minority pov. Many of her edits are, however, of a neutral character and are clearly necessary, since (among other problems) the present page presents a supposed derivation of one of the Bell inequalities that bears no relation to Bell's reasoning and is not valid. | |||
*] How the founder of the university should be named in the article? Charles IV or Charles I? | |||
*] Is the fact that one website claims there is "no proof of <nowiki></nowiki> actually existing" all that is needed to state this as factual? | |||
*]Discussion as to whether a website owner known only for his site deserves his own page, including a hardban threat if a certain person were to edit the ] page after once trying to merge the two articles, allegations of unilateralism, and the lot. | |||
*]. Discussion as to whether or not this title is NPOV and appropriate, as well as whether or not the article itself is inherently POV. | |||
*] There seems to be some strong feeling that numbered highways ''must'' follow the ''three digit'' rule when being categorized. Thus Highway 25A must be listed under "0" as though it were ''really'' highway 025A. Categorizing the entry Highway 25A under "2" results in an immediate (or pretty fast) rv. Also, please look at ] for examples from other States, some one way and some the other. Looks like we should have (yet another) policy to avoid future conflicts. | |||
*] ongoing edit war over alleged ethnic origins, the old persian name of elam and its modern reflex, and other sundry points. lack of sources a problem. | |||
*] woot, another edit war on whether to include miles | |||
* ]: Dispute over the rendering of the magazine's name: all caps vs. standard capitalization rules. This spills over into ]. | |||
*]: dispute over the inclusion of automobiles which are not type-approved as road legal, but which can be made road legal through, for example, the British Single Vehicle Approval process. | |||
*] and ]: dispute over unattributed inclusion of the phrase "one of the most prestigious universities in the world" in the Yale article and not in any of the other ivies' articles. | |||
*]: dispute over inclusion/exclusion of links to certain sources | |||
*]: dispute about if the term is the root of the term '']''. The level of offensiveness and regularity of usage of wog and golliwog has also seen debate. (Note that this summary is neither neutral nor accurate, but the editor in question keeps changing it.) Note: a dispute tag was first placed on the article on 06:39, 11 Apr 2005. The dispute tag was last removed from the article, by a different editor, on 05:45, 12 Apr 2005. The editor who placed the tag has since made five edits to the talk page since that time, including one compliment on an edit. It has not been explicitly stated that the dispute is over. | |||
*]: should ], ], and the ] be listed as occultists? Reasons for including them have been mooted in talk; one user and a number of anons insist on reverting w/o discussion on talk. Moreover, this request was deleted by an anon. | |||
*] - Calm dispute resolution (or blocking of the talk page) might be called for here. A few users are posting constant messages, one every few minutes in some cases, in what is clearly not a helpful attempt at reasoned discourse. It would seem that the situation has gotten out of hand in an article which has long been tumultuous. | |||
*] - Seems to have quieted down, but had been a long-running dispute, for reasons including those listed by one user in discussion on talk page. | |||
*]: A vote on a very comprehensive change in the naming conventions of individual categories on the subject of China/mainland China. The vote has been initiated by a single user despite objections and previous discussion | |||
*]: should the group's graphic logo be described or not. ] also has a history of similar text blanking under their logo. | |||
* ] / ]: Dispute over the inclusion of Black Supremacist organizations | |||
*]: Who owns the copyright to a passport image? | |||
*]:Should the number of countries that cardinals come from be given exactly? | |||
*] - This page has been in a state of turmoil almost continuously since before I became a Wikipedian (which was in January of last year). It needs as much attention as it can get from disinterested Wikipedians. Current dispute centers on how best to disambiguate diffrent uses of the word "anarchism". | |||
*] and ] - These two articles were created by an anonymous IP as nearly-useless stubs, with a one-line description and a list consisting of exactly zero providers. They were signed for speedy deletion twice (by different users), and both times the creator removed the notice. Eventually they were deleted, but the creator recreated them, again as nearly-useless stubs. What should be done here? | |||
*] - Can anything be done to improve the point-of-view of this article or its factual accuracy? ''It has been in dispute for more than a year!'' This page has just been kept after a ]. Any suggestions would be most welcomed. | |||
*] - to resolve a dispute over deletion of content and whether it is justified, and whether participants have argued in good faith. | |||
*] - to resolve a dispute between an individual and an organization, regarding an article on that organization. | |||
*] - Is ] one of the broadest categories of academic inquiry, along with natural science, social science, and humanities? | |||
*] - Dispute over the placing of a pseudoscientific account on the ]. Opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. | |||
*] - Concerns for neutrality and unreferenced disputed facts. Please review, help out. | |||
*] - Based on Misplaced Pages:Categorization rule "Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category.", debate over which Geography categories the Golan Heights should be placed in. | |||
*] and ] - There is a dispute regarding the positioning of the photograph of ]. A sub-page for opinions was added at ] | |||
*] - This article is constantly undergoing massive, rapid change. Some help in settling things down would be appreciated. | |||
*] - As a formality, I hereby request comment on the controversial issue of the page being blanked or deleted including credible external sources and internal links to other articles. | |||
*] - there is a dispute concerning the relevancy and validity of classifying intersexual people which is defined as scientific term to be transgender when gender identity refers to a socially constructed classification outside of science. See ] for the ongoing dialogue. | |||
*] - should ] be placed under the category of ]? | |||
*] - there is a dispute as to whether the common definition refers to same sex or same gender; with gender having being undisputed and agreed upon for quite a while now. See ]. Similar diputes with the definition can be found on ] and ]. To give an example - it is to as whether the defintion should include the scientific meaning of sex without the socially constructed meaning of gender as in Merriam Webster and the American Heritage Dictionary along with its implications on the article's topic. | |||
*] - ] requires dispute resolution. I am having difficulty starting a discussion. | |||
*] - Dispute about article content has resulted in heated arguments, edit wars and contested spinoff articles like ] and ] | |||
*] Dispute about whether or not the ], a social ] ] based in the ], should be characterized a group "who condemn racism and express support for Israel". | |||
*] Dispute regarding criticism. | |||
*] Dispute about how articles relating to this topic should be titled, and what their contents should be. | |||
*] Choice of map - Should professional-looking but informationally-sparse CIA maps be replaced with informationally-dense but unprofessional-looking user-made maps? (Multi-page dispute - also covers ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], etc. | |||
*] and ] - revert wars and NPOV problems over the question of the scientific merits of Mr. Ray's ideas, much discussion but no resolution in sight | |||
*] Dispute whether the quotes by Evangelical Christian writers Bob and Gretchen Passantino are notable enough to deserve to have a complete section to their POV or should their POV mentioned succintly that "not all counter cult activists like Bob and Gretchen Passantino believe in mind control". See also ] | |||
*] One user feels recent insertions should be sourced, other feels that recent insertions need to be disproved to be removed. | |||
*] One user has tagged a section of the as article disputed and an NPOV "puff piece," another user doesn't see the problem. | |||
*] - Should an unreferenced anti-TC opinion piece be included as the bulk of this article? Do statements like "TC has placed at risk the priceless inheritance that Gutenberg left us" belong in an encyclopedia article? | |||
*] - Eternal NPOV tag | |||
*] - Eternal NPOV tag | |||
*] - whether the website religioustolerance.org is authoritative enough for the article to link to. | |||
*] - Choice of map | |||
*] - Choice of map. | |||
*]. Should the title of the article about this city be ] or ]? | |||
*]. What should the format and introduction of the article be? Should people whose links to the Democrats are unexplained be removed until explanation and/or verification is given? See 2 different versions in page history, and comments on ]. Note both versions are works in progress. | |||
*]. Is the name of the country ''Netherlands'' or ''The Netherlands'', and should it therefore be moved to ] or left at ]? | |||
*]. There is a disagreement between editors about (1) whether metric units should be in the article and (2) aspects of copy. | |||
*]. Two users persist in addding copyrighted material to the article, without explanation or response to a request on the Talk page for copyright permission. | |||
*]. A revert war over trimming and moving content from the article. Summary on talk page. | |||
*] (for now) There is a debate whether the article about a ] character should be at ] or ]; as a "compromise" it was moved to ], but that does not solve the problem. | |||
*] There is evidence that the bomb was planted by Australian Security forces. Dispute is whether just enumerating this undisputed evidence makes the article POV. Has been a revert war. Summary on Talk page. | |||
*]: Is it appropriate to illustrate this article with a photograph of the incident where CNN misspelled his name on-screen as "Nigger Innis"? | |||
*] - Dispute on whether ], founder of the ], based his methodology "on the ] and an optimized research ]" and "recent discoveries in the field of ] have begun to vindicate a great deal of his work." — ] violated, 18 reverts in total and counting... '''Update: 23 reverts in 15 hours, more parts of the article are starting to change.''' ''Update: the article was protected, then unprotected, and the intro paragraph gets edited by anon users on a regular basis again, against the consensus on the talk page, reverted by other anon users, then changed again...'' See the history: | |||
*] - Dispute about finding an appropriate introduction to ] between those who want a more scientific introduction and those who want a stronger spiritual or religious component. Several compromise intros have been suggested, none acceptable so far. See here for the versions: ]. Discussion taking place here . | |||
*] - Dispute over whether the list of examples of where the Google test is invalid is POV. GRider has refused to compromise on his ] page. 18:10, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] - Another editor, who consulted "some people in the chat room", , which I feel improved the article in many various fundamental ways. I would appreciate a wider opinion of the two versions. 00:21, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC) | |||
*]. There is a disagreement about the length of the section entitled ''The Sasson Report''. Please read the related Talk discussion and give us your input on whether the section is too long, adequate, or a candidate for a seperate article. Thank you. | |||
*] - This text needs to be differentiated from the possibly historical figure ]. The additions to the text need to be discussed. The interpretations of ''Esther'' as a didactic fiction ''as well'' as a literalist historical document need to be neutrally assessed. There is a Rabbinic tradition that is untouched. I have done what I can. your help is needed. | |||
*] - Dispute as to whether Ann Coulter's statement in which she insisted that "Canada sent troops to Vietnam" can be reasonably interpreted as "10,000 former Canadian troops and Canadian citizens crossed the border and joined the United States army to fight in Vietnam." And various related disputes on wording of the article. | |||
*] - anonymous user is removing information from the article and accusing people of "trolling" and "propaganda". | |||
*] - Two IP editors feel that a section discussing the "Nazarene Judaism" movement of Clint Van Nest is inaccurate, and have been attempting to replace it with a different version. A number of other editors feel that the replaced version violates a number of Misplaced Pages policies, and insist that the proposed changes need to be discussed and agreed to in Talk: first. | |||
**(Alternative view) Various IP editors feel that the original version of a section about modern Nazarenes is unsourced slander concucted mainly by User:Jayig and have been attempting to promote enlightened discussion on a fully sourced new version of that section to encourage editing.Specific criticisms have been addressed, but a revet possy all of whom have claimed connections in various places on wiki to the same religious group are doing everything they can to prevent progress. | |||
*], ] and ] - on whether non-sovereign States (i.e. dependent territories) are qualified to be listed. | |||
*] - on proper titling based on the scope of the content of articles/categories. | |||
*] - After a very long process some time ago, consensus was reached concerning the introduction to this article (the main problem is that there are many definitions of capitalism). ] is constantly deleting content, which other editors must restor, and occasionally adds a new "definition of capitalism" which is either unnecessarily redundant (its elements are already in the introduction) or inappropriate. As one will learn from the talk page (and archived talk pages), RJII has been asked repeatedly to provide a source for his/her definition. To this date s/he has refused to provide any sources. Although virtually all of the editors who have been working on this article have had some sharp disagreement, all have ultimately been able to reach some compromise -- except RJII. Two editors have taken on the burden of reverting RJII's unilateral edits. Not one single editor has supported RJII's major changes. See , see ] | |||
:Much of this is lies ..particularly about providing sources. But, apparently somebody is upset that they they got the intro of the article just like the wanted it after a lot of work, then someone like me comes along and points out that it's horrible. But, just because it took a lot of effort to get an article any particular way doesn't mean that it's a good article. Sometimes it takes someone such as me that wasn't involved in the process of appeasing each other to take an objective look and point out that an article is bad. I'm sorry, buddy, but I have just as much right to change and article as you have to guard the status quo. | |||
*] - Dispute on whether it is in reality a '''game show''' or '''reality game show'''. | |||
*] - Dispute over obvious POV and factual issues such as definition, history, influence and so forth. The article before my edit looks like a long afrocenrist rant, and is likely to be reverted to that version quickly. | |||
*] - Dispute over use of BCE/CE versus BC/AD dating convention; discussion regarding issue is wholly contained at ]. | |||
*] Disagreement on "Cool (aesthetic)" about excessively verbose intro. | |||
*]/] is a private website whose members insist on creating vanity articles under one or both names. Often reverted as a redirect to ] from where they spun off. | |||
*] - Can some unaffiliated outsiders with a good sense for Misplaced Pages standards please comment on, or help resolve, prolonged edit war. | |||
*] - Did this vote pass? Is ]' assent enough to implement the amendment even though a ] was not met? | |||
*] Resumed revert war between one user and several others. How to proceed from here? Not much ongoing talk-page discussion of the content. | |||
*] - should ], ], and ] have their flags listed? | |||
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*] - disrupting the NPOV process on Terri Schiavo by relentlessly shoehorning his POV into talk pages and proclaiming the article is not POV, despite consensus. | |||
*] - cyber stalking from article to article dealing w/African Americans; hostility and abuse; automatic reverts of user contributions; racism - repeated use over time of racial slurs and racially charged words like "ape," "monkey," "jungle," "savage," and "big, black momma" in exchanges with African-American user; profanity. | |||
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*] - Allegations: Editing politicians' articles, particularly Canadian politicans, to describe them as "social democrats" without consensus. Avoiding discussion in a dispute regarding a list of social democrats appearing on the ] article. | |||
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*] - {{User|NPOV}} - potenially misleading username; User page redirects to ]. ] 18:28, 6 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
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*] Impersonating ]. Fourth letter, change ell to eye. ] ] 14:55, 6 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
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** Sorry, reacted too fast. ] redirects to ], a perfectly reasonable way for Earl Andrew to ''prevent'' impersonation. ] ] 14:59, 6 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] Impersonating ]. Last letter, change ell to eye. ] ] 13:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
* ] Impersonating ]. Second letter, change ell to eye. Watch for the encores with the last letter or both letters changed. ] ] 21:12, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
**Blocked. What a nasshole. --]] 21:18, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
* ] Impersonating ] by replacing the "L"s in Challenger with i's. (Sigh). ] ] 20:44, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
** That's nice. Don't forget the first "L" with an "I", the second "L" with an "I", and now both. :P ] 20:46, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
* ] Impersonating ](me!) by replacing the 5th letter with capital "Eye". ] ] 19:13, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
**Blocked. ] ] 20:19, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
* ] Impersonating ]. The third letter of the impersonator's username is a capital "Eye". ] ] 18:45, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
**Blocked by ] | |||
* ] Either it's an offensive "swastika" or an offensive "spastic". Either way, gimme a break. --]] 22:23, 4 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
**When , responded . I don't think this one will go quietly. --] | ] 07:19, May 5, 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] Previously blocked for impersonation of the real "Keith Wigdor", himself allegedly an editor here. Now editting again. ] 03:02, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] - violates ban on sexual references in usernames. He is currently blocked until April 15 for vandalism. The username should be blocked permanently. ] 20:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
**Disagree - this name should not be a reason for a block. If he's vandalising, block him for that. --] (]) 12:47, 1 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
***The username is clearly referring to a sexual act. I've blocked it indefintely. ] | ] 14:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
**Disagree- This is an excessive interpretation. Does the name always connote a sexual reference?--] 09:12, 2 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
***The only times I've seen the name not used as a sexual reference, it's been used to indirectly imply said sexual reference. --] 19:25, 2 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
****Spanking is not necessarily a sexual act. I think this is over the top.--] <small><small><small></small></small></small> | ] 23:45, May 4, 2005 (UTC) | |||
*****No, but ] is. --] 00:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] — offensive reference to ]. the account has been used to vandalise various date articles. ] (] 17:34, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
**What need is there for an RfC? Block indefinitely as either a vandal or a username constituting a personal attack; your choice. --] 18:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
**As flattered as I am that my Username strikes fear in the hearts of vandals now, I would prefer a permenent ban on this username. --] ] 19:40, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC) | |||
***I've banned it indefinitely. ] (] 19:41, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] - No edits, clear violation of username policy, user page consists of a bunch of anatomical pictures. ] 06:01, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) - Is blocked indefinitely. ] 08:05, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] - has made 3 edits . I have a feeling, based on the edits, that this is not the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 20:23, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
**"GOD" is only a noun. What's so offensive? ] 20:48, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC) | |||
***Maybe I'm concerned about mistaken identity. ;-) ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 23:50, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
****In that case this should be handled as with other celebrities. We should ask (him/her/they) to send an email to a sysop from their official website, www.God.com. -] 00:35, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC) | |||
***On a more serious note, I suspect many devout members of various faiths would find this offensive. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 23:50, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
***especially since he seems to center on Christianity-related articles. Makes the acronym claim seem quite tongue-in-cheek. ] <small>] 09:17, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
****I agree. I think he should just use "Good Ol' Dude" instead. ] 02:05, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC) | |||
***Anyone's name could be said to be "only a noun." ] 03:41, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC) | |||
**Meh. For me, given the way the user writes the name, I don't think it can be considered offensive. ] 20:49, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC) | |||
***It's as offensive as any other impersonator username--what's worse, a user whose name proclaims their faith or a user who claims to be the object of faith? I think if we were hardliners against blatantly Christian handles like JesusIsLord, we need to be equally hardline here. To do otherwise smacks of an anti-Christian bias, I think. ] 23:25, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
***Just because it's capitalized? If someone capitalized your name, made up some phrase that used those letters and say it's an acronym, I don't think many people would appreciate that. ] 02:18, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC) | |||
**** Like ''J.O.B.A.R.T.S.: Journeying Obedient Being Assembled for Repair and Terran Sabotage'' ()? No, I think a name change is appropriate. ] <sup >]]]</sup > 12:31, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
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=== Example of an RfC=== | |||
==General convention and policy issues== | |||
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*''']''' - there has been recent controversy about what is and is not permissible in user space. It is important to assert which policies (if any) do apply in userspace, and to what extent, and what should be done about transgression. | |||
* ] : Challenge! Behavioural guidelines; smallest subset (compatible with wikipedia policy) which still keeps folks out of trouble (]) ; find it! RQ comments, assistance, ''simplification''. | |||
* ] - policy proposal which would dictate certain naming conventions for university articles. | |||
* ]; comments requested. | |||
*] would be a major revision. See , ], and ]. | |||
*''']''' is a bold proposal to make WP categorization more consistent and stable. | |||
*] is a new policy thinktank page. It seeks to provide guidance on how to tell whether or not a source is reliable and how to find better ones. It also boldly attempts to define "common knowledge" which is verifiable by consensus of Wikipedians, essentially treating editors as primary sources. Your comments and improvements would be appreciated. Feel free to remove this posting after 30 days. -- ] 01:11, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
**] has been split off from the above because it proved to be more controversial than the rest of the document. -- ] 00:56, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] is a new page that has a number of discussions to establish consensus on whether certain groups of articles should or should not be included in Misplaced Pages. It was started because certain groups of similar articles (e.g. lesser-known characters from book X) were simultaneously nominated for deletion, and the existing pages about the matter were either unclear or outdated. ] 09:14, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] 1) proposes "BC" and "AD" (in contrast with "BCE" and "CE") as standard for Misplaced Pages, 2) apparently encourages linking of years, and 3) encourages linking of units of measurement, among other changes. It also reverses the style of many of the dates used within the guide (such as "February 12" to "12 February"). See ] for discussion. ] 01:36, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
*]. Edit summary is now required. How do we inform editors? See also ]. ] 04:57, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC) | |||
*] - Putting out feelers on a naming convention for subunits of governments around the world. | |||
*] - The question is whether All drug pages should be named according to their ] | |||
*] - I'd like to encourage ideas about possible guidelines or principles for questions of privacy and related issues. | |||
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**''Inactive. Problem turned out to be difficult to articulate. ] (]) 19:20, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)'' | |||
*] - Not sure if this is the place, but comments on this proposal to add another type of deletion would be appreciated. | |||
*] - When is a topic sufficiently "important" or "encyclopediac" to deserve an article? This policy aims to reduce debate at ]. | |||
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* ] where possible—identify common ground, and attempt to draw editors together rather than push them apart. | |||
== Ending RfCs == | |||
{{also|WP:Advice on closing discussions}} | |||
{{Shortcut|WP:RFCEND|WP:RFCCLOSE}} | |||
As an RfC is the solicitation of comment in a discussion, ending an RfC consists of ending that solicitation. When an RfC is used to resolve a dispute, the resolution is determined the same way as for any other discussion: the participants in the discussion determine what they have agreed on and try to implement their agreement. | |||
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Some terms we use: | |||
;Ending an RfC | |||
:Removing the link to the discussion from the central RfC lists. This is accomplished by removing the {{tlx|rfc}} tag from the talk page; a bot takes care of the rest. The bot will also remove the tag, if you wait long enough. | |||
;The end of a discussion | |||
:This means people have stopped discussing the question. When a discussion has naturally ended, you should consider ending the RfC. | |||
;] | |||
:Someone lists conclusions (if any) and discourages further discussion. Some editors make a distinction between "closing" a discussion (discouraging further discussion, usually with the {{tlx|closed rfc top}} tag pair) and "summarizing" a discussion (naming outcomes). Neither "closing" nor "summarizing" are required. | |||
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===Duration=== | |||
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An RfC should last until enough comment has been received that consensus is reached, or until it is apparent that it won't be. There is no required minimum or maximum duration; however, Legobot assumes an RfC has been forgotten and automatically ends it (removes the {{tlx|rfc}} tag) 30 days after it begins, to avoid a buildup of stale discussions cluttering the lists and wasting commenters' time. | |||
But editors should not wait for that. If one of the ] applies, someone should end it manually, as soon as it is clear the discussion has run its course. Conversely, whenever additional comments are still wanted after 30 days, someone should delay Legobot's automatic action. This latter function is based on the first timestamp following the {{tlx|rfc}} tag. | |||
'''To extend a current RfC''' for another 30 days, and to prevent Legobot from automatically ending the RfC during the next month, insert a current timestamp immediately before the original timestamp of the opening statement with either ] (name, time and date) or ] (just the time and date). | |||
===Reasons and ways to end RfCs=== | |||
Like other discussions, RfCs sometimes end without an agreement or clear resolution. There are several ways in which RfCs end: | |||
# The question may be withdrawn by the poster (e.g., if the community's response ]). In this situation, the editor who started the RfC would normally be the person to remove the {{tlx|rfc}} tag. | |||
# The RfC participants can agree to end it at any time; one of them removes the {{tlx|rfc}} tag. | |||
# The dispute may be moved to another ].<ref>For this to succeed, however, the {{tlx|rfc}} tag must be removed and the discussion ended first, since most dispute resolution forums and processes will not accept a case while an RfC is ongoing.</ref> | |||
# Any uninvolved editor can post a ]; if consensus is undoubtedly clear, even an involved editor may summarize the discussion. The editor removes the {{tlx|rfc}} tag while closing the discussion. To avoid concerns about biased summaries, involved editors (on all sides of a dispute) are encouraged to let someone else write a summary. | |||
# The discussion may just stop, and no one cares to restore the {{tlx|rfc}} tag after the bot removes it. | |||
<u>Please remove the {{tlx|rfc}} tag when the dispute has been resolved, or when discussion has ended.</u> | |||
<!-- How to end a regular RfC --> | |||
'''To end an RfC manually''', remove the {{tlx|rfc}} tag from the talk page. Legobot will remove the discussion from the central lists on its next run. (When Legobot automatically ends an RfC because of its age, it will remove the {{tlx|rfc}} tag.) If you are also closing the discussion, you should do this in the same edit. As an alternative to removing the {{tlx|rfc}} tag, you may use one of the template-linking templates such as {{tl|tlx}} to disable it, as in {{tlx|tlx|rfc|bio|4=rfcid=fedcba9}}. | |||
'''Do not''' enclose the {{tlx|rfc}} tag in {{tag|nowiki}} or {{tag|syntaxhighlight}} tags, nor place it in HTML comment markers {{tag|!--}} since Legobot will ignore these and treat the RfC as if it is still open – and may also corrupt the RfC listing pages. | |||
===Closing the discussion=== | |||
Anyone who wants an uninvolved editor to write a closing summary of the discussion (ideally with a determination of consensus) can formally request closure by posting at ]. '''If the matter under discussion is not contentious and the consensus is obvious to the participants, then formal closure is neither necessary nor advisable'''. Written closing statements are not required. Editors are expected to be able to evaluate and agree upon the results of most RfCs without outside assistance. | |||
To alert readers that an RfC has ended, you may optionally enclose the talk page section in a box using a tag pair such as {{tlx|closed rfc top}}/{{tlx|closed rfc bottom}} or {{tlx|archive top}}/{{tlx|archive bottom}}. This is not required, and may be done with or without a closing statement about the discussions results. This example shows one way to do this: | |||
<syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" highlight="2,4"> | |||
== RfC about the photo in the History section == | |||
{{closed rfc top|result= Consensus was reached to keep the photo. ~~~~ }} | |||
.... here is the entire RfC discussion... | |||
{{closed rfc bottom}} | |||
</syntaxhighlight> | |||
== Restarting an RfC == | |||
Anyone who wants to have more comments on the topic can restart an RfC that has ended, as long as the discussion has not been closed. For example, the original poster of an RfC might withdraw it, but someone else may have become interested in the topic in the meantime and restart it. | |||
To restart an RfC, reinsert the {{tlx|rfc}} tag. If it was automatically removed by Legobot, then be sure to insert a current timestamp after the RfC statement, and before its original timestamp, or it will just get re-removed by the bot. This will give a thirty-day extension; but if the RfC is to be of long duration, you may instead add the line <syntaxhighlight lang="html"><!-- RFCBot Ignore Expired --></syntaxhighlight> before the {{tlx|rfc}} tag. | |||
You should mention at the end of the RfC statement that the RfC ended and restarted, and add your signature if appropriate. | |||
== See also == | |||
{{Misplaced Pages glossary}} | |||
* For ongoing discussions and current requests, see ]. | |||
* ] | |||
* ] | |||
* ] – a list of all subpages of this page | |||
* ] – a listing of all current RfCs | |||
* ] – sign up to receive notifications of new RfCs on your user talk page | |||
* ] – all other request departments | |||
* ] | |||
== Notes == | |||
<references /> | |||
{{rfc list footer}} | |||
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What an RfC is
A request for comment (RfC) is a way to ask the Misplaced Pages community for input on an issue. Often, the issue is what an article should say. Sometimes it is a proposal for a Misplaced Pages process or policy change. The aim of RfC discussions is to improve the encyclopedia, and they may relate to article content pages, editorial disputes; changes to policies, guidelines, or procedures; or other topics. An RfC invites comment from a broader selection of editors than a normal talk page discussion. The normal talk page guidelines apply to these discussions.
An RfC discussion typically takes place on a section or subsection of a talk page or noticeboard, and is an ordinary Misplaced Pages discussion that follows the normal rules and procedures, including possible closing. Summarizing longer discussions is often helpful, as the purpose of an RfC is usually to develop a consensus about some disputed point.
Because Misplaced Pages makes decisions by consensus, an RfC can act as a dispute resolution. If, for example, editors cannot agree on whether a certain fact should be mentioned in an article, they can use an RfC to find out what the community thinks and, if a consensus emerges, that usually resolves the dispute.
A bot-assisted RfC uses a system of centralized noticeboards and random, bot-delivered invitations to advertise RfCs to other editors. After an RfC creator adds an {{rfc}}
tag on the talk page that hosts the RfC, a bot will do the rest for them. The RfC is then advertised on a subpage of Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment, all of which are aggregated at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/All. Editors interested in responding to RfCs can visit these pages regularly or watch them. There is also a Feedback request service (FRS), in which an editor can subscribe to be notified at random about RfCs at a rate the editor chooses.
Before starting the process
ShortcutsRfCs are time consuming, and editor time is valuable. Editors should try to resolve their issues before starting an RfC. Try discussing the matter with any other parties on the related talk page. If you can reach a consensus or have your questions answered through discussion, then there is no need to start an RfC.
If a local discussion does not answer your question or resolve the problem, then some other forums for resolution include:
- Asking for input or assistance at one or more relevant WikiProjects, which are often listed at the top of the article's talk page.
- If an article content question is just between two editors, you can simply and quickly ask for a third opinion on the Third opinion page.
- If more than two editors are involved or the issue is complex, dispute resolution is available through the Dispute resolution noticeboard.
- If you want general help in improving an article, such as achieving Featured status, then list it at Peer review.
For a more complete description of dispute resolution options, see the Dispute resolution policy and the list of noticeboards.
If you are not sure if an RfC is necessary, or about how best to frame it, ask on the talk page of this project.
What not to use the RfC process for
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Good Article/Topic discussions | Good article nominations, Good article reassessment, Good topic nominations, Good topic removal candidates |
In the news candidates | In the news candidates |
Merge proposals | WP:Merging |
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About the conduct of another user
- To report an offensive or confusing user name in violation of Misplaced Pages username policy, see subpage User names.
- To report spam, page blanking, and other blatant vandalism, see Misplaced Pages:Vandalism.
The use of requests for comment on user conduct has been discontinued. In severe cases of misconduct, you may try Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. If the dispute cannot be resolved there, then arbitration may be warranted as a last resort. You may want to read about other options in the Resolving user conduct disputes policy.
Creating an RfC
You can ask for help with writing your RfC question on this page's talk page. |
- Make sure that all relevant suggestions have been tried.
- Open a new section at the bottom of the talk page of the article or project page that you are interested in. The section heading should begin with "RfC" or "Request for comment", for example "RfC on beak length" or "Request for comment on past or present tense for television series".
- Shortcut In some situations, such as when you expect an extremely high number of comments or there is no obviously relevant talk page, you may instead place an RfC on a subpage of this page or a subpage of a policy page; Misplaced Pages:Pending changes/Request for Comment 2012 and Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Categorization of persons are examples.
- At the top of the new talk page section, insert an
{{rfc}}
tag. The tag must list one or more categories as parameters, for example{{rfc|econ}}
. The category must be in lower case. See the adjacent table for the categories and their meanings.- If no category seems to fit, pick the one that seems closest.
- If the RfC is relevant to two categories, include them both in the same
{{rfc}}
tag. For example:{{rfc|econ|bio}}
. - Don't add two
{{rfc}}
tags in the same edit. If you want to start two RfCs on the same page, then read § Multiple simultaneous RfCs on one page first.
- Include a brief, neutral statement of or question about the issue in the talk page section, immediately below the
{{rfc}}
tag (see § Example). - Sign the statement with either
~~~~
(name, time and date) or~~~~~
(just the time and date). Failing to provide a time and date will cause Legobot to remove your discussion from the pages that notify interested editors of RfCs. - Publish the talk page. Now you're done. Legobot will take care of the rest, including posting the RfC in the proper RfC lists. Whilst Legobot normally runs once an hour, it may take it up to a day to list the RfC, so be patient.
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Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines | (watch) | {{rfc|policy}}
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WikiProjects and collaborations | (watch) | {{rfc|proj}}
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Misplaced Pages technical issues and templates | (watch) | {{rfc|tech}}
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Misplaced Pages proposals | (watch) | {{rfc|prop}}
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Unsorted | ||
Unsorted RfCs | (watch) | {{rfc}}
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The list of RfC categories is in the adjacent table.
The "Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines" category is for discussing changes to the policies and guidelines themselves, not for discussing how to apply them to a specific case. The same applies to "style", "WikiProject", and the other non-article categories.
The "Language and linguistics" category is for requests related to a Misplaced Pages article (or part of one) about language and linguistics, not for requests concerning the language on a page. If you want comments on how an article should be worded, categorize your request according to the topic of the article.
Statement should be neutral and brief
See also: WP:Writing requests for comment ShortcutsKeep the RfC statement (and heading) neutrally worded and short. Statements are often phrased as questions, for example: "Should this article say in the lead that John Smith was a contender for the Pulitzer Prize?"
Y Good questions:
- Should the picture in the lead be changed?
- Is this website a good source for information about this product's invention?
N Bad questions:
- What do other editors think about the discussions on this page?
- We should talk about this some more.
- Please vote on the following
fourfivesix options for the first sentence.
Legobot will copy the markup of your statement (from the end of the {{rfc}}
tag through the first timestamp) to the list of active RfCs, if it is sufficiently brief; a long statement will fail to be copied. For technical reasons, statements may not contain tables or complex formatting, although these may be added after the initial statement (i.e., after the first timestamp). Similarly, the statement should not begin with a list – but if this is unavoidable, use the markup  
before the list, either directly after the {{rfc}}
tag or on a line of its own. If the markup of the RfC statement is too long, Legobot may fail to copy it to the RfC list pages, and will not publicise the RfC via the feedback request service.
The statement should be self-contained, and should not assume that the section title is available (because the statement, but not the section title, will be copied to the RfC list pages). If the RfC is about an edit that's been disputed, consider including a diff in the RfC question.
If you have lots to say on the issue, give and sign a brief statement in the initial description and publish the page, then edit the page again and place additional comments below your first statement and timestamp. If you feel that you cannot describe the issue neutrally, you may either ask someone else to write the question or summary, or simply do your best and leave a note asking others to improve it. It may be helpful to discuss your planned RfC question on the talk page before starting the RfC, to see whether other editors have ideas for making it clearer or more concise.
Multiple simultaneous RfCs on one page
* Overuse of RfCs doesn't help.
It is rare for a single article, or a single editor, to have more than one or two productive RfCs open at a time. Before starting a lot of RfCs, please check in on the RfC talk page for advice.
There is no technical limit to the number of simultaneous RfCs that may be held on a single talk page, but to avoid discussion forks, they should not overlap significantly in their subject matter.
Each {{rfc}}
tag should also be added in a separate edit, with a delay between each edit to let the bot assign an id number to the first before attempting to start a second. If you are starting another RfC on a page which already has one or more ongoing RfCs, first ensure that all of the existing {{rfc}}
tags already contain a |rfcid=
parameter. The process looks like this:
- Add your question with one
{{rfc}}
tag. - Wait for the bot to edit the page and add an id number to the first RfC question. (Part of the text will change from "Within 24 hours, this page will be added ..." to "This page has been added ..."; this usually takes less than an hour.)
- Add another question with a second
{{rfc}}
tag.
If any {{rfc}}
tag anywhere on the page lacks this parameter, even if that RfC was started by another editor, then wait for Legobot to add it before adding another {{rfc}}
tag anywhere on the page. If there are two {{rfc}}
tags on the same page that both lack the |rfcid=
parameter, Legobot will assign the same value to both, with the result that only the lowest one of the page will be publicised; moreover, the incoming link will lead to the higher RfC question, which will cause confusion. To repair this, remove the |rfcid=
parameter from the unpublicised one (usually the higher one).
Example of an RfC
Main page: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Example formatting
There are many acceptable ways to format an RfC discussion. Below is one example of how a simple RfC discussion could appear when you are editing the talk page. This example will work best for average or smaller discussions; for major disputes, other, more structured formats may be more appropriate.
You can copy and paste this example, but be sure to change the wording to reflect your particular topic (for example, the "hist" category may need to be changed). A signature ("~~~~") or at least a time and date ("~~~~~") is required. Do not include any opening html tags (e.g., <small>
) in the initial RfC statement unless its corresponding closing tag (e.g., </small>
) also comes before the first timestamp, i.e., don't "straddle" the first timestamp inside html code, otherwise it may corrupt the entry of the RfC on the topic discussion pages. After you have inserted text similar to this into the talk page, you must publish the page.
== RfC about the photo in the history section == {{rfc|hist}} Should the "History" section contain a photograph of the ship? ~~~~
Modifying an RfC
If you amend the RfC statement (including the addition of another RfC category), Legobot will copy the amended version to the RfC listings the next time that it runs. If you add another RfC category, this must not be placed after the |rfcid=
parameter (if one is present), because Legobot will not process it properly if you do.
Publicizing an RfC
After you create an RfC, it will be noticed by editors that watch the talk page, by editors that watch the RfC lists, and by some editors subscribed to the Feedback Request Service (FRS), who will be automatically notified by Yapperbot. However, there may not be enough editors to get sufficient input. To get more input, you may publicize the RfC by posting a notice at one or more of the following locations, if related to it:
- One of the Village Pump forums, such as those for policy issues, proposals, or miscellaneous (The technical forum is almost never an appropriate venue. You may want to ask there before starting an RfC.)
- Noticeboards such as point-of-view noticeboard, reliable source noticeboard, or original research noticeboard
- Talk pages of relevant WikiProjects
- Talk pages of closely related articles or policies
When posting a notice at those locations, provide a link to the RfC, and a brief statement, but do not argue the RfC. You may use {{rfc notice}}
to inform other editors. Take care to adhere to the canvassing guideline, which prohibits notifying a chosen group of editors who may be biased. When creating a new Misplaced Pages policy or suggesting major modifications to a policy, follow the instructions at WP:PROPOSAL. Centralized discussion may be used for policy-related RfCs but is not for publicizing any content disputes in articles. Further guidance is available at WP:Publicising discussions.
Responding to an RfC
All editors (including IP users) are welcome to respond to any RfC.
- Responses may be submitted in a variety of formats. Some RfCs are structured as a series of distinct responses, one per editor. Others result in a threaded (indented) conversation involving multiple editors. Yet others offer one or more alternative proposals that are separately endorsed or opposed by editors using a polling process. Other RfCs combine polling with threaded discussions. See the example section above for a suggested format.
- Edits to content under RfC discussion may be particularly controversial. Avoid making edits that others may view as unhelpful. Editing after others have raised objections may be viewed as disruptive editing or edit warring. Be patient; make your improvements in accord with consensus after the RfC is resolved.
- Try not to be confrontational. Be friendly and civil, and assume good faith of other editors' actions.
- If you feel an RfC is improperly worded, ask the originator to improve the wording, or add an alternative unbiased statement immediately below the RfC question (after the
{{rfc}}
tag). You can also ask for help or a second opinion at Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for comment. Do not end an RfC just because you think the wording is biased. An{{rfc}}
tag generally remains on the page until removed by Legobot or the originator. An RfC can be ended only when the criteria at Ending RfCs are met. - Mediate where possible—identify common ground, and attempt to draw editors together rather than push them apart.
Ending RfCs
See also: WP:Advice on closing discussions ShortcutsAs an RfC is the solicitation of comment in a discussion, ending an RfC consists of ending that solicitation. When an RfC is used to resolve a dispute, the resolution is determined the same way as for any other discussion: the participants in the discussion determine what they have agreed on and try to implement their agreement.
Some terms we use:
- Ending an RfC
- Removing the link to the discussion from the central RfC lists. This is accomplished by removing the
{{rfc}}
tag from the talk page; a bot takes care of the rest. The bot will also remove the tag, if you wait long enough. - The end of a discussion
- This means people have stopped discussing the question. When a discussion has naturally ended, you should consider ending the RfC.
- Closing the discussion
- Someone lists conclusions (if any) and discourages further discussion. Some editors make a distinction between "closing" a discussion (discouraging further discussion, usually with the
{{closed rfc top}}
tag pair) and "summarizing" a discussion (naming outcomes). Neither "closing" nor "summarizing" are required.
Duration
An RfC should last until enough comment has been received that consensus is reached, or until it is apparent that it won't be. There is no required minimum or maximum duration; however, Legobot assumes an RfC has been forgotten and automatically ends it (removes the {{rfc}}
tag) 30 days after it begins, to avoid a buildup of stale discussions cluttering the lists and wasting commenters' time.
But editors should not wait for that. If one of the reasons to end RfCs applies, someone should end it manually, as soon as it is clear the discussion has run its course. Conversely, whenever additional comments are still wanted after 30 days, someone should delay Legobot's automatic action. This latter function is based on the first timestamp following the {{rfc}}
tag.
To extend a current RfC for another 30 days, and to prevent Legobot from automatically ending the RfC during the next month, insert a current timestamp immediately before the original timestamp of the opening statement with either ~~~~
(name, time and date) or ~~~~~
(just the time and date).
Reasons and ways to end RfCs
Like other discussions, RfCs sometimes end without an agreement or clear resolution. There are several ways in which RfCs end:
- The question may be withdrawn by the poster (e.g., if the community's response became obvious very quickly). In this situation, the editor who started the RfC would normally be the person to remove the
{{rfc}}
tag. - The RfC participants can agree to end it at any time; one of them removes the
{{rfc}}
tag. - The dispute may be moved to another dispute resolution forum.
- Any uninvolved editor can post a closing summary of the discussion; if consensus is undoubtedly clear, even an involved editor may summarize the discussion. The editor removes the
{{rfc}}
tag while closing the discussion. To avoid concerns about biased summaries, involved editors (on all sides of a dispute) are encouraged to let someone else write a summary. - The discussion may just stop, and no one cares to restore the
{{rfc}}
tag after the bot removes it.
Please remove the {{rfc}}
tag when the dispute has been resolved, or when discussion has ended.
To end an RfC manually, remove the {{rfc}}
tag from the talk page. Legobot will remove the discussion from the central lists on its next run. (When Legobot automatically ends an RfC because of its age, it will remove the {{rfc}}
tag.) If you are also closing the discussion, you should do this in the same edit. As an alternative to removing the {{rfc}}
tag, you may use one of the template-linking templates such as {{tlx}} to disable it, as in {{tlx|rfc|bio|rfcid=fedcba9}}
.
Do not enclose the {{rfc}}
tag in <nowiki>...</nowiki>
or <syntaxhighlight>...</syntaxhighlight>
tags, nor place it in HTML comment markers <!--...-->
since Legobot will ignore these and treat the RfC as if it is still open – and may also corrupt the RfC listing pages.
Closing the discussion
Anyone who wants an uninvolved editor to write a closing summary of the discussion (ideally with a determination of consensus) can formally request closure by posting at Misplaced Pages:Closure requests. If the matter under discussion is not contentious and the consensus is obvious to the participants, then formal closure is neither necessary nor advisable. Written closing statements are not required. Editors are expected to be able to evaluate and agree upon the results of most RfCs without outside assistance.
To alert readers that an RfC has ended, you may optionally enclose the talk page section in a box using a tag pair such as {{closed rfc top}}
/{{closed rfc bottom}}
or {{archive top}}
/{{archive bottom}}
. This is not required, and may be done with or without a closing statement about the discussions results. This example shows one way to do this:
== RfC about the photo in the History section == {{closed rfc top|result= Consensus was reached to keep the photo. ~~~~ }} .... here is the entire RfC discussion... {{closed rfc bottom}}
Restarting an RfC
Anyone who wants to have more comments on the topic can restart an RfC that has ended, as long as the discussion has not been closed. For example, the original poster of an RfC might withdraw it, but someone else may have become interested in the topic in the meantime and restart it.
To restart an RfC, reinsert the {{rfc}}
tag. If it was automatically removed by Legobot, then be sure to insert a current timestamp after the RfC statement, and before its original timestamp, or it will just get re-removed by the bot. This will give a thirty-day extension; but if the RfC is to be of long duration, you may instead add the line
<!-- RFCBot Ignore Expired -->
before the {{rfc}}
tag.
You should mention at the end of the RfC statement that the RfC ended and restarted, and add your signature if appropriate.
See also
This page is referenced in the Misplaced Pages Glossary.- For ongoing discussions and current requests, see Misplaced Pages:Dashboard.
- Misplaced Pages:Decisions not subject to consensus of editors
- Archives of user conduct disputes
- Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Requests for comment – a list of all subpages of this page
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/All – a listing of all current RfCs
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Notes
- For clarity: The "statement" is the part that is located between the
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tag (exclusive) and the first valid timestamp (inclusive), and which is copied by bot to various pages. The statement itself needs to be neutrally worded and brief. After that first date stamp, you should follow normal talk page rules, which allow you to be verbose (within reason) and as non-neutral as you want. There is no actual rule saying that editors who start RfCs must make their initial explanations look like they are responses to the question (e.g., by placing them inside a ===Discussion=== subsection) or otherwise making them less prominent. - For this to succeed, however, the
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tag must be removed and the discussion ended first, since most dispute resolution forums and processes will not accept a case while an RfC is ongoing.
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