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I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


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Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.
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The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,
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all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.
I'm top poster! I'm top poster! (And I'm watching the film whose title is translated into English as "Show Me Love." That's not its title in Swedish.) ] 01:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.
O noes, ]! &mdash;] (]) 15:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, well, the template is greater than the sum of the parts. It is thus with tea, where reading the instructions takes longer than the brewing, steeping, and drinking, and it is so with ] who has a ''growth'' on him now -- a sort of counter-article running down the side of the screen. ] 04:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
::Nobody clicked and saw how William Wall's template runs on twice as long as his article and that his template is, essentially, its own little article about how to be a Baptist? ] 00:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Removed. ] | ] 00:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
::Thanks. What was interesting to me was what that template had in it. It was a checklist of crucial doctrines for Baptists. That seemed to be a sort of polemic, or a guide. It's odd information for a template. Then, of course, it was also double the vertical length of the article, but we're all used to that by now. ] 02:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
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:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
:::(]) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good ] that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. ] (]) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


== Editing warring user ==
It's too empty in here!
<br/>*does a little dance*
<br/>There. That was nice and encyclopedic, right?
<br/>(What??? Bishzilla would find it amusing! Well, okay, so no she wouldn't. But then she'd stomp on me, and she'd find ''that'' amusing!) ] 04:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
:/''Bishzilla smile tolerantly at little Bladestorm. Teeth gleam in sunset rays. Little user petrified. Never seen scarier smile.'' ] '']'' 01:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC).


{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.
== ] ??? ==
* - This is most highly inappropriate behaviour by ] (<span class="plainlinks">]&nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' &nbsp;'''·''' ]&nbsp;'''·''' {{#ifexist:{{SITENAME}}:Requests for checkuser/Case/{{ucfirst:{{{User|Lsi john}}}}}|&nbsp;'''·'''&nbsp;]}}). I made one mistake with regards to ''one'' citation amongst the hundreds I have added to articles. This amounts to ], as well as ]. I have come to you for help, as opposed to WP:ANI, per your prior suggestion to all of us. Thank you for your time. Yours, ] 23:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC).
**Thank you for your response. However your comments served only to point the user in a direction for more appropriate actions, which is good, but did not serve to warn the user about his inapproprate behaviour, which is difficult to deal with at times, to say the least. ] 00:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC).
::Thanks for taking it here. I'm no fan of invoking WP:STALK, except in cases where somebody follows another editor around in order to make nuisance edits to everything they do. That's hardly the case here. But I agree that the talkpage of ] was an irrelevant place for Lsi John to bring up the PSI thing (in extenuation, the matter seems to have got to him in a big way). As you've already seen I've written to him there, and, in fact, to you too. No, I don't agree that it's in my brief to talk to him as if to a child, I think my note was, by implication, quite sufficiently reproachful. I'm not in the business of smacking editors. ] | ] 00:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC).
:::Okay, your points are valid, sounds good. Thank you for dealing wth this all in such a polite manner. And glad to know I did the right thing by coming to you first. Yours, ] 00:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC).
* - He keeps bringing up an honest mistake that I made with (1) citation that I apologized for, and I have added hundreds of helpful reputable sourced citations to this project in a good faith effort to expand and increase the quality of other articles on the project. His continued harassment of me with this issue is inappropriate and rude. Can you do something about this? I am reaching out to you instead of reporting this, as you have asked us all to do. Thank you again so much for your time, and polite language and patience in this matter. Yours, ] 12:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
**, This is getting silly and ridiculous. Again, I have added lots and lots of information from reputable cited sources to the project, and helped to expand quality articles. This behaviour by this user is inappropriate. Thanks for your time. ] 12:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
:*Smee, in the Pathwork article, I felt the details were important as they were directly related to a very similar situation in the past. You had asked that the article not be deleted and ultimately promised to bring it back with sufficient reliable sourcing. You were making the same claims for Pathworks that you had for PSI World.
::In the LGAT template discussion I did not bring up any specifics. You stated that I had failed to provide 'reliable sourcing' for my views in a discussion (which doesn't require reliable sources). You brought up 'citable sources' in an inappropriate context and I merely suggested that someone else might want to handle that discussion with me. You then chose to include specifics. I did not feel that specifics were important. However, once you brought them up, and misrepresented the situation, it was important to correct it, for the record. Running to Bishonen every time and crying stalking, is a bit silly, IMO.


* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
::You inappropriately roast companies with your sourced 'allegations', 'speculation', and 'innuendo', and you base entire articles around these 'dismissed' lawsuits and 'suspicions'. You publish POV in the name of 'reputable sourcing', yet you don't make any effort to provide the other POV and thus to obtain NPOV articles.
* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"


At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]
::I find it perplexing that you have no problem applying tar and feathers to companies, yet you cry harassment when anything is mentioned at all which remotely referrs to the ''facts'' of your prior inappropriate misconduct.


*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
::This is clearly a sensitive issue for you and I will make every attempt to avoid the subject whenever possible and not bring it up unless it is appropriate to do so. ] 12:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
*They reverted me a forth time for .


I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.
:::*I have removed the LGAT template from my watchlist and am no longer editing or contributing to it. I have also removed almost every other LGAT article from my watch list. It is not a productive use of my time to attempt to edit articles when ] continues to complain and then distract the discussion and make it about ] and how ] is being mistreated.
::::In the mediation for ] , ] first 9 posts were all '''off-topic''' and about NPA and Smee ''refused'' to post within a designated user comment-area (as other editors were doing). ] clearly stated that Smee was no longer involved in the article. And, ] has now 'joined' the mediation but has yet to provide one single comment which addresses the article or the items being debated.


I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.
::::Someone commented on the 3O discussion page that perhaps Smee needs to take a 2-3 month break from 3O . I suggest that Smee might consider taking that suggestion on a broader scale. When every single comment (by one editor) in a mediation is related to NPA or is talking about other editors' actions, it suggests to me that the editor may be burned out and need a break. ] 13:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


:::::John? You realize I get the New Messages banner every time you post HINT HINT? ] | ] 13:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC). ] (]) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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*. My apologies for posting to you again, {{user|Bishonen}}, but this last comment by ], editing within another user's comments, and then ending the discussion, is more along the same theme of inappropriate talk page behaviour. Thank you again for your time. ] 17:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
**Well, unless there's something behind it that I'm not aware of, I agree that those <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> templates in your text were pretty unconstructive. But note that he says he's taking it off his watchlist, so... Try to relax, look away, go Zen, Smee. It's something that's worth doing on Misplaced Pages for your own benefit, rather than for the other person. ] | ] 18:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
***Sounds like very good advice. Thank you. ] 19:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC).


:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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], as ] has been coming to you repeatedly, I'd like to ask for clarification on the 3RR rule. You warned us both about 3RR and Smee continues to push it. In the ] article Smee was edit warring with Justanother, Jossi and myself. There were 6 clear reverts and I reported the incident on AN3RR. Before the case could be decided, Smee went to 7RR. Thats specifically 4RR against me and at least 3RR with other editors.


::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
The other admin seems to be under the impression that this is the same article that Smee keeps edit warring in and has protected the article. When I questioned him, he and Smee seemed to exchange pleasantries.
:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==
I'm not asking you to overrule anyone, but could you explain whats going on and why Smee gets 7RR and I have to stop editing because I'm 2RR? ] 05:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
*Please read the actual faulty 3RR report, as well as the comments at it from ], and the explanations of ] there and at his talk page. ] 06:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC).
::The other day Smee was 3RR/2RR in two articles, and after being found no-vio, he went to 4RR/3RR within an hour and again the ruling was no-vio (due to self-revert).
::Now its 7RR and still no violation? This is certainly peculiar at best.
::If I'm going to be editing with someone who gets 7RR, I'd like permission to at least go to 5RR myself. Thanks.] 06:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:::The user's interpretations of 3RR, as well as my own actions, are incorrect, and this was shown by comments from other editors/Admins. ] 06:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC).


Hi Bish,
== Sumple ==


Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].
Sumple had some personal attacks against me on his userpage. How dickish can he get?] ]] most damningly ] ] ]
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So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".
Funny thing is these insane edits just proved by point that there is certain alliance between Jiang, blueshirt, Ideogram, LionheartX, and Sumple. An anonymous IP made some accusations on Sumple’s userpage and talkpage, which are obvious personal attacks but nevertheless with some merits. ] ] ] (I know these edits are funny but why would anyone bother to accuse him if he didn’t show a pro-China, pro-communism bias? Can you talk to him into removing this redirect? ] which redirected "crazy people" to my userpage. Btw, good to know that you're still around, I'm not coming back though.--] 02:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?
:Hope you change your mind, CG. Only the piped link was still on the userpage, that I could see. I've asked him to remove it. ] | ] 10:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC).


I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
If you want, I'll unprotect and reprotect, so it's my action he has to complain about. ] ] ] 11:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


:Are you sure you have the requsite number of braincells, Swat..? ;-) But, no, thanks, I don't at this time feel like pandering to the notion that there was something objectionable about my action. Thanks anyway. ] | ] 11:44, 27 May 2007 (UTC). :I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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You cleaned too much. I will fix for you. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
] needs help. No one cares. Sad. <br>/''Bishzilla care. Affectionately put garlic butter on little snail. Heart of gold!'' ] '']'' 01:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC).]]
:Oh, that reminds me - my daughther reports she had ''wonderful'' meal in Paris, didn't eat a decent meal in all of Italy, and had her first good meal since Paris in Prague. Which rather goes against conventional wisdom, but its always luck of the draw when you're traveling, isn't it? ]<sup>]</sup> 02:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


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You have spared me the agony of dealing further with her blatantly false and malicious accusations of disruption, bad faith, and edit warring.] 02:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:You're most welcome, I'm glad to have been spreading sunshine. ] | ] 02:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC).


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::Now that I am unblocked and have taken some additional time beyond that 24-hour block period to consider this matter, I would like to follow a dispute resolution process. Misplaced Pages guidelines : "When you are unblocked, you may then follow the dispute resolution process if you believe that you were treated unfairly."


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::One dispute resolution option is a "third opinion", but that does not seem appropriate here, "The third-opinion process requires good faith on both sides of the dispute." My good faith in this matter has been reapetedly disputed, so I assume that a "third opinion" would not be appropriate here. Indeed, I was blocked by you immediately after saying, "I am glad to be done posting on this page," so it is clear that you dispute my good faith, and this is also evident from your remarks such as "leave KC the hell alone." Thus, a "third opinion" would not work here.


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::Another option, before I resort to arbitration, is . However, mediation "cannot take place if all parties are not willing to take part." Therefore, I will assume you are not willing to take part, unless you provide some indication to the contrary.] 17:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


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:::That's right, I'm not willing to take part in mediation with you. You don't want advice from me, I'm sure, but you can have it anyway: a ] isn't going to be accepted at this point. See how it ""last resort"? Instead, the normal and accepted next step for you would be to file a ], mentioned . You can file an RFC about misuse of administrative tools (=my block button). Mind you, I think you'd be disappointed with the result, but don't take my word for it, ask someone else. ] | ] 18:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC).


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::::<s>Where should I place the request for comment?</s>] 18:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
::::P.S. The guidelines "at least two editors must have contacted the user on their talk page...." I am only one user. Therefore an RfC does not seem to be possible. Any advice on that?] 18:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


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:Thanks for the info. I may try ]. However, I would still like to know whether I must pursue an RfC in order to subsequently pursue an RFARB. An RfC seems to require more than one complaining party, whereas there is only one complaining party here.] 19:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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Look... the double role you're asking me to play here is a little weird. You could do with an experienced user to help you with the process, but it shouldn't be me. I was going to suggest the ] page, but I see it's inactive. OK, I suggest that you either ask Sandstein, since you've met him, or add the <nowiki>{{helpme}}</nowiki> template to your talkpage, and somebody will show up to advise you. And no, you don't need two people complaining, you just need a second person to ''endorse'' your complaint. You know, to agree that it has merit, and also to contact me and try to resolve the issue. (Perhaps you, ALoan?) Also, there's no formal requirement to do an RFC before an RFAR, you can go right ahead and request arbitration, if you like. It's certainly a simpler process than RFC. ] | ] 19:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
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:Endorse? Me? I was trying to suggest very gently that an RFC or RFARB would be wasting everyone's time (as, I believe, posting to ANI would demonstrate in short order). Go away and sin no more, y'know? Ho hum. -- ] ] 20:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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::Thanks for the advice, Bishonen. Earlier today, you stated: "You don't want advice from me." Then when I ask your advice you say that it's "weird." I will ask for no more advice from you.


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::ALoan, your invitation to visit ANI so that I can be told to "go away" is an invitation that I will decline.] 20:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I had to read this three times, but I ''think'' ] is asking for help with dispute resolution regarding the 'other' party, not with ]. I ''think'' he was asking ] to 'take part' in overseeing the mediation, not participating. Its muddy, but after I read it from that perspective, it seems that might be the case anyway. Then again, I've been wrong before. ] 20:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
::::And you're wrong now. I ''am'' the other party. And also being asked to help. ] | ] 21:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
:::::Then I go back to my initial reaction. I agree with ], it is just weird (and a bit extreme). At least it made some sense, if he was asking you to help mediate. It would be interesting to watch him edit in the LGAT or Scientology articles (or not). ] 21:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


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== Kefas Brand ==
(undent) I will pursue this matter as far as it can be pursued. After that pursuit has failed (and I have little doubt that ALoan is correct in saying that it will fail), then I may leave Misplaced Pages and I may not. But let me be clear about one thing: I do not take being called a liar lightly, and that is exactly what you have done, Bishonen. I was blocked by you immediately after saying, "I am glad to be done posting on this page," and you not only blocked me but warned me to "leave KC the hell alone." I am an honest man, and am not a liar.


Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
For you to also accuse me of "harassment" at a Misplaced Pages page, and to insist that I not be able to leave the barest denial at that same Misplaced Pages page, is also contemptible. I do not know whether your "harassment" accusation will enter into my soon-to-be ill-fated arbitration request, but your "harassment" accusation was as ill-founded as your accusation of dishonesty. The facts are clear: Killerchihuahua explicitly said that the question of whether RCOG is a "pro-choice group" is a separate issue from whether RCOG has a "pro-choice position" on a particular issue. Subsequently, I made one single edit saying RCOG had a pro-choice position on a particular issue. Before I knew it, she was using that one single edit to accuse me of edit-warring and disruption and bad faith. And then you pounce.


So in July 2024 you protected ], ] has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Go ahead and delete this comment if you wish, but make no mistake. You have made a serious and extremely insulting accusation, and I intend to pursue this until the end, regardless of the outcome.] 21:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
::I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
:Lsi john suggests (at my talk page) that I explain to you precisely what I want, in hopes of avoiding unnecesary hoops. I have never planned to try to get your admin powers revoked, and have never demanded an apology from you. What I am looking for is an acknowledgment (e.g. from you or from an arbitration committee) that I was not harassing KC, and that I was not lying when I said at KC's talk page that I was "done posting on this page," and that I am an honest Wikipedian. I will, of course, assume that you decline to acknowledge any of those things, unless you indicate otherwise.] 03:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
::],
:::# I did NOT suggest you ask (yet). I suggested you read, and wait and cool off.
:::# You probably should NOT assume things, and certainly not tell someone you assume they will disagree with you or that you assume they will or will not do something. Its bad form and tends to put people on edge.
::] 03:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


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:::Lsi john, you said: "Cool off a bit. really, take a breath and relax. If you went into a court hearing the way you went to Bishonen's talk page, the judge would throw you out. Go read what you've written to Bishonen. Don't write anything else right now, just go read it. Put yourself in her place. Do you really ask her for anything? Perhaps I missed it. But to me, it looked like you went right for the throat and never even told her what you wanted to end up with." Maybe I did not follow or describe your suggestions as precisely as possible. I am not perfect, and I do appreciate your help here.
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:Hey, what a fine star! Thank ''you''! ] &#124; ] 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> ]] <sup>(])</sup></span></b> 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)


==My guess...==
:::By the way, I never go into court. I just get the patents for the clients, and what they do with them is their business. Very often, I tell the clients that I will do thus-and-such unless I hear from them to the contrary. It's just a habit. It enables me to move along without waiting an eternity. I'm glad that you didn't have any substantive objection to anything but the last sentence of my previous comment.] 03:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).


:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Lsi John, thank you for attempting to resolve this. I sincerely appreciate your kind intentions. If you plan to continue your dialogue with Ferrylodge, please do it somewhere other than on this page, as it seems to have reached the ] here. Ferrylodge, thank you for clarifying your wishes. I do in fact decline to make the acknowledgements you suggest. Please pursue your assumptions and intentions somewhere else, I'd rather not have any further repetitions of them on this page. Thank you. ] | ] 05:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC).


== ''Scheisst'' ==
:Thanks for the answer.] 05:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:P.S. I have been instructed to let you know about at ANI. I hope you will let KC know about it if you think she should.] 12:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).


== A nervous hello...... == == NOTHERE user ==


Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.
hi bish - as a user in good standing who has had some contact with me, i wonder if you'd mind having a look at the discussion on the talk page of the no personal attacks page - i'm feeling pretty bullied, and would value your advice (there, here, on my talk page, or anywhere!)


It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
.....equally - the whole thing is a bit unhappy, so if you prefer to keep your wiki sky cloud free for the sake of sanity / serenity i'll understand if you don't want to engage.....


:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
best wishes to you anyway, and take care! - ] 04:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


::This is a new user, ]. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in ], and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. ] &#124; ] 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
I think it might have all calmed down a little now, maybe i was overly sensitive to come to you - anyways, have a wonderful day.... ] 04:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:Purples, it's not the serenity (what? where?), it's that I should have already been asleep for some hours, I'm in a different timezone. Can't look at anything now. Tomorrow. ] | ] 05:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC).
::::Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them ] when they pop up again.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).


== The Admin's Barnstar ==


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OK, I'm awake.., but I've been putting off reading all that stuff, sorry. It's the kind of subject I don't willingly get involved in—I just feel I have enough quarrels on my plate without that. But since you come to my page, I'll try to give you an answer, and sorry about the belatedness. I have to disagree with your removal of that section. That's because I think removing those famous links ''is'' current policy. I don't mean it's necessarily the consensus on the NPA talkpage that the section should be on the NPA page (I can't face reading through that talkpage), but that it's policy. Policy isn't words on a policy page, it's current practice, in particular admin practice. Those words on a page come after policy has already been established. And, yes, it is my impression, per ANI, that removing those links is what we currently do. While quarrelling about it, admittedly, and while linking a lot to that famous arbcom decision, which isn't really an appropriate authority (arbcom doesn't determine policy). But nevertheless that it's on the whole what we do. I'm sorry you're feeling bullied.
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Reading... oh. I do see why you're feeling disparaged. Though I know exactly where SlimVirgin is coming from,, too. Darn. Seriously... I'm very sorry I've been so slow. I'm going to post a couple of sentences now. ] | ] 00:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC).


* Did 'shonen do something useful for once? ]&thinsp;] 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Thanks so much for your kind words... i think it really helped to avoid my editing situation derailing (or derailing further!) - you're very kind to help out, and it's appreciated - have a great day... ] 04:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


== ] ==
:No problem, it's simply my opinion. ] | ] 04:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC).


Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
==Speedy delete, please==
re: ] Just back from a family gathering and found this page attached to an article on my watchlist. I believe such blatant self promotion would qualify for a speedy delete. Thanks for your help. Best....... ] 01:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
::What prompt action! Thank you. ] 01:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
:::::once again thanks for your response im greatful. ] (]) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


== Ah well ==
:::And when are you going to get your own delete button, W? ] | ] 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC).


I tried.
== Vendetta? ==


Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks very much for the heads-up; that'll teach me to offer my expertise, such as it is! ] ] 10:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:Yes yes, but how many ''medals'' (...?) have you got? ] | ] 14:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC). :Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::..and you must remember Bishonen those "''arguments wouldn't stand a chance in a university''" ] 15:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I used to think the guy was just the subject of discussion under a different name, but I now believe that this account, the Louder, is actually performance art. It is a sort of attempt at the ''eiron'' as ], and it is up to everyone else to laugh at this ]-styled bit of humor. ] 17:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
::::*Utgard, (I do love a man with a strong name) your wit is so intellectual sometimes I feel we are meant for each other. As I sit here having my coronet and shoes polished it fatigues me reading the Encyclopedia. I do so wonder though what on earth is happening. Naturally, as one would expect, I am besieged with people (mostly that ]) wanting me to record my memories, and of course I am still working on my own biography but what sort of people will read them? I will certainly not allowed them to be serialised by a Sunday Newspaper (I knew ] and saw his winkle in his eye as he espied me in the Royal Enclosure, as as for the fun we had at ]) - such happy and fulfilling days. My problem is if one is to write about one's nearest and most very dearest one does not want the riveting details read by the lower classes (all this anyone can edit business is very worying indeed) - does Misplaced Pages have some screening process to stop this affront. Of course I need a confidential copy-edit. There are so few editors here, from what I like to think of as "the right sort of people" (I would ask that nice little ], (but between ourselves I suspect she is not 100% British) perhaps I'll ask that sweet ] (he has such an elegant turn of phrase ) or even ], although (he intimates he is a lawyer - very nasty almost trade!) or perhaps poor ] although he has enough troubles of his own having been so rudely redirected by that nasty ] - I don't trust Doctors myself always wanting me to take my clothes off, I expect if he saw me that would be the first thing he would want - I've met his type before! So who does one ask - good editors are so few on the ground that clever ] is so busy running the place, someone suggested an American personage called ] but what sort of a name is "Brad" <shudder> for a gentleman? and all those "medals", which he likes to expose upfront, so very vulgar! ] (she says she is inactive, poor old thing, some mornings I know how she feels) and ] ("Tone" as he like me to call him in moments of intimacy) again an obvious choice but always so busy - I suppose I have no choice - it has to be that frightfully grand ] but at my age my knees find curtsying such a problem - Oh do someone help me out. ] keeps himself very above this kind of thing, I wonder what happened to that nice very English ] always such a true gentleman, if he only knew of my distress - Oh the British if only one could rely on them to come to the rescue - a damsel could be saved. ] 19:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


== Block evading ==
::::::<bows deeply>I am much obliged, my lady; but unfortunately I am peer''less''. -- ] ] 21:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::*Wow, what a bitch! ] 20:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::*Bad little user use rude word! Kindly proceed to ] ! ] '']'' 20:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC).
:::::::*Is it like the ], but with cake? ] 21:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


:::::::::I suspect the cakes would end up being, ah, rather well done (in ] style). -- ] ] 21:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC) :] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
::::::::::I'm sure they had cake at meetings of the Society of Original Gentlemen, after all, the Association of Constables used to meet down the pub. I'm slightly worried about John Profumo though. I suppose the saline environment is good for it, but you wouldn't have thought he could get on in politics with a '']'' in his eye. ]] 22:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).


== Email ==
::What's more, one wonders about the sort of argument that ''would'' stand at a university! I read recently of a large bequest grandfather made being used to endow a chair for some woman writing about "Lesbian self-discovery in the body of Jane Austen." Jane Austen's body surely never suffered such an affront before, and I can think of nothing she did to ever earn it. If ''that'' is the sort of thing that he wishes, then we shall have no more to do with it! -- ]
::::*Excuse me ladies! I cannot believe Doc Glasgow would wish to undress Lady Catherine, and when addressing me there is no need to curtsey, a small genuflection is sufficient. Regarding Ms Austen: While, I believe though she did rather portray Lady Catherine as a nasty old trout - I doubt she knew what a lesbian was. ] 20:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::::]] - that's when you go to gaol for bankrupting your legal circles? :p


== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
=='']''==
Is at ] if you are interested (guess what the reasoning is). I haven't looked at the history but if somebody watching this page didn't write it then I'll be a monkey's uncle. (I'm not a monkey's uncle am I? Go on, say I'm not) ]] 22:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:I wrote it. ] | ] 22:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC).
::Oooh, let ''me'' guess about the reasoning! Let me guess! It's not "vendetta," is it? Is it, "We are in high school and do not want to have to understand things?" Is it, "We have no idea what a good article is, but we think it has something to do with mods of video games that come as DVD extras on the soundtrack of videogames released on special purple aluminum only in Japan?" No? If I go there, ever, I will ask what I have been daring myself to ask: "Since you have appointed yourselves experts on what is a featured article, please list the best article on Misplaced Pages by your standards." See, because I'd have to answer with ], myself. ] 23:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:Footnotes? It's about footnotes? Ok, so we need tighter controls on the ], I know, but one edit to the article and then FAR? That's just weird. ] 15:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== The review page ==


:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
The bot will close it now that it's in the archive, so don't worry about formatting or anything. It's been speedy kept. ] 13:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Hmmmm ==
:I have given Jay ]. ] 14:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
:Yay! Even would be better would be if he contributed to the encyclopedia, but that seems to be too much to ask for. ] 14:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).


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:Insistence as a substitute for argument and reasoning. Been there. Well, I agree it's a weird situation. I'll see, but I'm rather deterred by knowing that input from me is unlikely to be taken in good faith here... since some of the editors involved already resent me. Killer...? ] | ] 18:01, 2 June 2007 (UTC).


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== just so you know... ==
So I bring up the subject on the talk page at ] and you opt instead to edit war after asking me not to? That's poor form. -- ] 18:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:She didn't I did. Are you being deliberatly contraversial, or do you just not follow anything on Misplaced Pages? ] 18:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::I am, of course, referring to . The answer to your second question is no, to both. -- ] 18:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:That's not an edit war. She went back to the status quo. Based on your own opinion alone, you demanded a change. That makes you the one who is "edit warring." Furthermore, you offered no rationale for the change before making it and still haven't -- even after making incendiary charges. Wanting and needing are very different things. ] 20:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
::I cannot war by myself, and I made no edits to the page after the first Talk page message (which was on my Talk page). I also haven't "demanded" any changes. I'm editing in good faith; I'd appreciate a little assumption of it. Thanks! -- ] 20:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


== Past disagreements ==
:::I have (belatedly, sorry) replied at ]. ] | ] 21:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC).


We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Unrelated ping. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).


== I'm always coming to you for advice ==
==Lothlórien==


The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
"Are these magic cloaks?"


Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
"I do not know what you mean by that. They are fair garments, and the web is good, for it was made in this land. They are elvish robes certainly, if that is what you mean. Leaf and branch, water and stone: they have the hue and beauty of all these things under the twilight of Lorien that we love; for we put the thought of all that we love into all that we make. And you will find them a great aid in keeping out of the sight of unfriendly eyes, whether you walk among the stones or the trees."
: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.


::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
] 16:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).


== A barnstar for you! ==
:The ] is not that good. ] | ] 16:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC).


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*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
:'"This is indeed a queer river," Frito said, as the water lapped at his thighs.' (From one of the funniest ] I've ever read.) ] 13:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
===Middle Earthlings Are Easy===
:I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
] and ] now look much juicier and fuller fleshed and inviting. Mary 2 died in Dec. 94, so all anyone could write about for six months of 95 was the funeral (except Blackmore, who published Arthur). ] 17:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


==You are wise.== == November music ==
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greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
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==You've got mail!==
==Crusade==
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Smee is back warring and pushing POV in Erhard Seminars and Large Group Awareness Training. I'm taking a wiki-break. His crusade is too much for me right now. Peace. ] 05:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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*If you have a moment, you may wish to read through some of the talk page discussion. I am going to take a new tack, or at least try my best to, and try to simply ignore impolite language on talk pages that is not related directly to discussing article content. ] 05:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC).
:Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
**I did. Smee, I'm sorry, but I tend to agree with Lsi John that your focus on "politeness" is becoming quite unconstructive, and tends to be itself impolite. It seems to be more and more your main subject, and even to be preventing you from discussing content, which is what talkpages are for. And, I know this may be me, but frequently I don't even understand why you call something impolite, or call it polite—when somebody writes a comment to you, I just can't predict whether you're going to respond by thanking them for their politeness, or by complaining of the opposite. If people you're in conflict with experience the same uncertainty as me, it obviously militates against communication between you. Perhaps you might like to consider whether your interpretation of the civility/incivility of other people's words is rather idiosyncratic? At any rate, please focus on content on talkpages. People aren't usually out to insult you, as far as I can see. And a comment like isn't a "new tack" in this respect—''saying'' that you'll ignore something—and saying only that—is the opposite of ''really'' ignoring it. ] | ] 16:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC).
***Bishonen, I am sorry that you feel that way. However, It is reassuring to know that you think certain individuals are not out to insult me. And your advice about ''how'' to do the actual ignoring is also useful, and I will try to apply this in certain situations if things get heated. Thanks for your time, and your candor. Yours, ] 20:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC).
****Again, thanks for the feedback, if you have any other comments on this, just message me on my talk please. Yours, ] 22:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC).


== My topic ban ==
==Request for action regarding Ferrylodge account==
Dear Bishonen:


You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
I am writing because I have two requests regarding your recent interaction with Ferrylodge’s account.


And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
First Request: I have read at the text preceding your block, and I do not see how Ferrylodge had done anything even approaching “harassment.” The harassment warning of 02:16, 28 May 2007 comes like a bolt out of the blue. I request that you supplement Ferrylodge’s block log to acknowledge that the harassment warning of 02:16, 28 May 2007 was not warranted by the text. I ask that you consider this request regardless of what you think of my second request.
Second Request: As it stands, your entry in Ferrylodge’s block log is misleading. According to Misplaced Pages guidelines, "very brief blocks may be used in order to record, for example, an apology or acknowledgment of mistake in the block log in the event of a wrongful or accidental block". Please supplement Ferrylodge’s block log in order to acknowledge that the block was deemed appropriate (by Sandstein) for the purpose of disengagement, and not because Ferrylodge's final message, before the block, amounted to harassment.


1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
Regards, ] 16:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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], you might consider reading this sequence and reconsidering your request. I took an interest in this situation after Ferrylodge tried to shift the focus of his block in a conversation with me, which started here on Bishonen's page and continued on his talkpage , moved to Bishonen's page and finally ended back on Ferrylodge's page .


2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
:<small>00:23 May 28, Rude post by Ferrylodge on KC's page, declaring that KC does not have an ounce of objectivity. </small>


3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
:<small>01:10 May 28, Rude post by Ferrylodge on KC's page, classifying Killerchihuahua's editing as conspicious (def: marked by a noticable violation of good taste). </small>


He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
:<small>01:46 May 28, Rude post saying dealing with Killerchihuahua's editing is a waste of time and categorizing Killerchihuahua's editing as disruptive. </small>


He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
:<small>Note: all of the prior conversations belonged in the article talkpage, not on KC's talkpage.</small>


4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:<small>02:16 May 28, Bishonen warns Ferrylodge (on Killerchihuahua's talkpage) not to post there again, and clearly indicates a block will follow if the warning is ignored. </small>
:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Vandalism/Disruptive edits'''
:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
:*'''Bad Faith'''
:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
:*'''Original Research'''
:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.
:<small>02:21 May 28, Bishonen also warns Ferrylodge on his talkpage: </small>


As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
:<small>02:24 May 28, Ferrylodge responds to Bishonen with impolite sarcasm on Bishonen's page. </small>


The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
:<small>02:25 May 28, Ferrylodge makes same reply on his talkpage. </small>


Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
:<small>02:32 May 28, Ferrylodge ignores Bishonen's warning, and posts on KillerChihuahua's page: </small>


All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
:<small>02:36 May 28, Ferrylodge 'updates' his edit.
:also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
:::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.


::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:<small>03:08 May 28, KillerChihuahua deletes Ferrylodge's post. </small>
:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


== December music ==
:<small>04:08, May 28, Ferrylodge <u>again</u> posts on Killerchihuahua's page. </small>
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I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Seeking assist on ] ==
:<small>04:13, May 28, Bishonen blocks Ferrylodge after he posted <s>two</s> three times, following the warning to stop. It appears the block-comment is correct. </small>


Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
:<small>04:23, May 28, Ferrylodge deletes Bishonen's warning from his talkpage: </small>


Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
To my knowledge, Bishonen has never addressed the specific content of any of Ferrylodge's posts. The block was done, after a warning had been ignored <s>twice</s> three times. The block text states the reason <small>''Repeated harassment posting on User talk:KillerChihuahua after warning''</small>, and does not cite the specifics of Ferrylodge's final post. It was the fact ''that'' he posted, not ''what'' he posted, that resulted in the violation. While Sandstein does address the specifics of the final post, it was Ferrylodge who introduced that content as related to the block. Bishonen did not. There is no reason to include Sandstein's reply to Ferrylodge's introduction of his interpretation of the block.


:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
The fact is, he ignored Bishonen's direct warning <s>twice</s> thrice, and continued posting to KC's page. The contents of his posts are totally irrelevant, as he was very clearly told to '''stop'''. ] 17:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).


== Métis Nation British Columbia ==
:::Thanks, John, useful list! I may well copy it for the RFC that I assume LCP's post is in preparation for. (See ]: "at least two editors must have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and tried but failed to resolve the problem. Any RfC not accompanied by evidence showing that two users tried and failed to resolve the same dispute may be deleted after 48 hours.") You forgot one edit by Ferrylodge to KC's page, though; the one at 2:36, . It's an interesting one: there, Ferrylodge ''links'' his innocent-looking previouos edit to a nasty set of attacks against KC that he has just made at ''my'' page. So it was three times, not twice, that he ignored my direct warning and posted on KC's page. Only after the third time did I block him.


I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank you LCP. John, the fact is that I was told to "stop" doing something which I had not been doing. But that does not seem to matter to you. Of all the items on your very long list, only the first three items occurred before the unjustified harassment warning and block threat. Do you really want to argue that it's "harassment" for me to say that a person lacks objectivity? Or for me to say that a person has conspicuously omitted diffs to support their position? Or for me to reply to accusations of disruption, bad faith and edit-warring by asserting that the accuser is herself being disruptive? None of those things that occurred at KC's talk page is remotely like "harassment." And not even Sandstein believed that my later denial of the harassment charge itself amounted to harassment.] 18:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::::No, sir. You were told to stop ''posting'', which you ''had'' been doing. Your posting was regarded as harassing, but you were not told to stop harassing, you were told to stop posting. You said you were happy to be done, but you didn't stop. You were clearly told that 'any' further post would be regarded as harassment. You ignored that, three times. The block was justified. You really need to move on and drop this issue. (I won't post further here, as the facts speak for themselves.) ] 18:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Revert ==
::::::You may regard as harassment, but that does not make it so, by a long shot.] 18:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. I must bow out now, due to employment.] 18:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:
::Dear LCP. Ferrylodge was harassing KillerChihuahua on her page, and I warned him against posting there again. He replied with a sarcastic thank-you on my page, full of attacks against KC, and expressing pleasure in being spared, through my warning, "the agony" of dealing with her anymore. (For all the world as if somebody had been physically forcing him to post on her page, and my warning had somehow released him.) I replied lightly. There was apparently something unsatisfactory about that, because he then posted on her page, to say that there also that he was "done". It seemed a bit repetitious, but I ignored it. Then he posted on KC's page ''again'', this time ''linking'' his previous innocent-looking message to the attack on her that he had just made on my page. Call me soft, but I ignored that as well. I hoped he was running down. He wasn't. A little later, he posted on KC's page again, for the ''third'' time since my warning, repeating yet again that he was done, and introducing (rather belatedly, you may say) what has since become his main theme, a protest against my use of the term "harassment." Three posts—he wasn't running down. I blocked. And now you want me to put a note in the block log to say that was an inappropriate block? Seriously? That block wasn't for Ferrylodge's final message. It was for the cumulative effect of his messages on KC's page, and most especially for posting to it '''three times''' after my warning. I notice Ferrylodge is complaining richly and variously about not being allowed to rebut my charge of harassment in the place where I made it, when the truth is that I turned a blind eye to his first ''two'' posts there (as well as to the vicious business of his post on my page), and only blocked on the third. I'll deal with your ] about Sandstein agreeing with Ferrylodge in the ] that I presume you're working up to. Go ask Sandstein to put a note in the block log, why don't you. And about that RFC: I'm not the person to advise either of you, but I wish Ferrylodge would consult with ''some'' experienced users about frivolous RFCs and the way they have of turning into commentary on the behavior of the nominator instead. You'd think the feedback he got on ] would be a bit of a hint. ] | ] 18:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC).


Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
:::Bishonen, you start your comment by saying: "Ferrylodge was harassing KillerChihuahua on her page...." I agree with you that that assertion is central to justifying your actions. Do you really believe that the first three items on Lsi john's long list amounted to "harassment"? Why then do you suppose KC never asked me to leave?] 18:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
::::I won't speculate on her motives, and I'd appreciate it if you and LCP didn't post on my page anymore, unless there's an actual need. It seems to me that posting 15 full screens about the matter on ANI and being amply answered by many admins ought to be enough. If this is about racking up the requisite dispute resolution attempts in preparation for an RFC, I hereby waive all further requirement for those. That should be a relief to all three of us. ] | ] 19:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC).
You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
I have initiated a conduct RfC regarding your self, Bishonen. It's . Still needs someone to certify. I wonder if you're allowed to do that?] 08:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


==Io Saturnalia!==
:Oh fer crying out loud. No. ] | ] 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC).


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== Season's Greetings ==
:::''"Still needs someone to certify. I wonder if you're allowed to do that?"'' <big>'''!?!?!?!'''</big> ] - 08:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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==Continued hounding despite your warning==
{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).


== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
== My dog, that's awful! ==
Did you know that my dog is Russian? She must be, because she sure is ]. ] 18:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
==Nothing but platitudes==
I've had it. ] 20:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. Up to here. Too bad about the old I've-had-it/addiction-strikes spin-dry cycle. We always come slinking back, but with less enthusiasm every time. ] | ] 22:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC).
:Hey, people can be demoted even before anyone asks them what they mean. Forget blocking without warning: we're at ''demoting'' without warning now, and then hand wringing over being unable to find an ArbCom member "who's online" at the time. Online? What the heck does that mean? Oh, I'll be accused of sniping at IRC again, but does anyone notice how this keeps coming up? Blocks, demotions, blocks, sanctions, etc., where there is always an emergency to stop (choose one) bad language, copyright violation, plagiarism, incivility, reverting, bad language, biography violations, or bad language. Why talk to someone, when you're a big admin (or "trusted former administrator")? ] 02:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I continue to make friends ]. ] 20:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
: Per Night Gyr, want to ask nicely where it will do the most good? ]. --] <sup>]</sup> 21:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
:: And it worked! (or so Raul claims, though the log hasn't refreshed yet) Better to something something than to curse the darkness or something something... --] <sup>]</sup> 21:30, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
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== Hope you are doing well ==
:::I've been following as it unfolded, pretty much in real time once it picked up speed. Exhilarating! The attractive header is my own work. ] | ] 22:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC).
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I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).


==Merry Christmas!==
Thanks for the link. The day gets even better. I think I need a break. -- ] ] 23:18, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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==Joyous Season==
:I may have accidentally wasted my words on the FAR discussion page instead of AN/I. Oh, well. I have more words. ] 10:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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== Sumple's IP ==


<small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{]:]}} to your fellow editors' talk pages</small>.
Thank you for helping me out about Sumple's PA. I noticed he left the project; however, an anonymous IP (clearly Sumple based on contributions) removed my comment in ] . This seems to be a deliberate baiting attempt (using his IP as a way to avoid scrutiny) since obviously I'm on revert parole after the arbCom case. Moreover, this seems to directly targets my userpage. Can you restore my comments and maybe block the IP as sockpuppet (does it apply)?? Thank you! --] 08:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
{{clear}}
:I was just going to revert the IP, after writing a comment on their talk, when I saw you'd done it yourself. That was reverting vandalism, so you should be all right, but it would ''still'' be better to let someone else take care of stuff like that and not have to have a whole argument about it later. Grumble... please try not to be so impatient. ] | ] 08:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC).
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::C'mon you know I've always been impatient even if I try not to. Lol just joking. Aight look, I'm sorry. I just thought that it was vandalism and that 1 week had passed since my last edit, so I should be pretty safe. I appreciate your advice though.--] 08:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see, you're fine then. I didn't check your contribs, my bad. ] | ] 09:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC).


] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
== Where's Bishzilla? ==


== Season's Greetings ==
And, why isn't she commenting on your RFC? '''<font color="#1E90FF" face="georgia">]</font>''' 16:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:hah! ] 16:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Perhaps because one of the signatories of that RfC took bishzilla . . Yup. ] 16:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::She's ], a much better use of her time than that amazingly puerile Rfc. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I'M NOT GOING TO FALL FOR FOLLOWING ANY MORE 'MASSAGE' LINKS! Squash me into a paste once, shame on you. Squash me into a paste twice... ] 17:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, dear. "All arch criminals make mistakes, Robin, and sooner or later, Bishzilla will give us something to prosecute her with." ("Hubris?" The gods are angered?) ] 17:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:I have posted. It's more than a little gassy, my prose, but I was just "writing the body." I'm sure I'll get no points for directness. ] 20:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I've been asked to assume Bishzilla's role (probably!). Please supplant grrrs with prrrs and proceed to too tuna. ] 20:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Cute furry pet user! / Brave little user! ] '']'' 22:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC).
:::Nooo, my short-lived hubris! ] 22:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


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I have to hand it to you: best topic heading of all time. &mdash; ''']]''' 20:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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:Just so you know, even though I followed your bit about "elitist," I wasn't going after you. I was trying to point out only that some of us don't think it's our business to go through passing judgment on everything. It's true that my judgment on a great deal of content would be something you'd find offensive, for example, and yet you and I have never been at odds and will not be, because you're not going to go around to an article I've written and complain that the sentences are too long, and I'm not going to go to an FAC review of a pop culture article and try to kill it because it's not on a topic I like. The people causing the problems on these FA and GA pages seem to me to want to be in power, in control, and the center of every single potential article. They don't do this with content, but only with footnotes and irrational (often flatly wrong) proclamations about "grammar." A person's academic elitism or street cred seem to rarely cause problems, but intolerance and attempts at being a big cheese always seem to be the kiss of death for something. ] 20:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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::I know. Whenever I review FACs, it's for people who I know or articles that haven't received enough feedback. I used to be part of that entire FAC/FAR team, but I went back to primarily editing becuase of all the arguments and everything else associated with it. I'm somewhat of a wordnerd, but I'm not at Tony's level yet, so I usually try to be humble in my prose opposes. Speaking of pop culture, I get a ton of flak from merges and transwikis, and I'm not even really "anti-fiction"! There's so many levels of opinions on Misplaced Pages, and the best we can do is find a compromise and/or work on our favorite areas. By the way, sorry if I don't sound very coherent; it's been a long day, partially because of the flak I mentioned above. &mdash; ''']]''' 04:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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:It's all back down to "Whom does the Grail serve?" If we're trying to serve the public through Misplaced Pages, that's fine. If we're trying to serve the abstraction known as Misplaced Pages, that's a little worrying. If we're out to serve ourselves, it's bad, bad. Folks need to get therapists, or dogs, or something, and leave off trying to be Very Important through Misplaced Pages. When the power goes out, Misplaced Pages goes away, and it would be a pity of one's self image and importance were so tenuous. Trying to be the gargoyle before the doors of the Featured Star just rubs me very much the wrong way.
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:Oh, and Bishonen, and anyone else who might be amused or find it useful, I've just done one of my little essays: ] -- "So You Want to be an Edit Warrior?" It's a career guide for the edit warriors. ] 10:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::Bigfoot shot JFK! ] | ] 13:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC).
:::There were ] in the ]. Proof positive. --] 15:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
==Apology==
Bladestorm pointed out to me that I was prejudiced against you due to your moniker, “Bishzilla,” and that this effected my judgment in helping to bring about the RfC. He was correct. I hope that you will accept my apology for that. I also seem to be guilty of lacking a correct understanding of the significance of an RfC. From what I read on the RfC page, I gathered that it was merely an objective review of facts. So, I also seem to be guilty of not investigating matters deeply enough before I became involved. I am sorry for that too. You warning to FL does, nevertheless, appear to be heavy-handed. However, regardless of what I think of that, I did jump to a conclusion. And for that, I also apologize.] 20:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's not a problem, LCP, don't worry. ] | ] 22:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC).
::LCP, when the RfC is over, if you ask nicely, /zilla might give you a massage - she gives a klller massage. It's to die for. --] 22:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Always with the shrill noises when 'zilla smile! Noises hurt ears! ] '']'' 12:58, 6 June 2007 (UTC).
::::JustaHulk keep low profile. JustaHulk make good admin. Not bother anybody. --] 15:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


]] 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
==Thank you==
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Thank you for your hard work on the recent article you nominated for FA. The editor that insulted you has been blocked. I hope you don't feel that he/she represents the community that participates in FAC reviews. ] 23:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==WTF==
. I think I am about to lose my cookies.--] 21:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
==Disruptive Bad-Faith Ownership==
Bishonen, I hate having to come to you repeatedly. But it seems that Smee is intent on disrupting the talk pages in numerous articles.

Smee is posting links to old versions, implying that they are correct and accurate, and noting how interesting it is that sources have been removed, implying bad faith removal by other editors, and noting how interesting it will be to come back later to see how much the article has changed.


== Happy Holidays! ==
This seems to be in very Bad-Faith and I have asked to stop. As the messages indicated that Smee would no longer be watching the articles, I posted the request on Smee's talkpage in order to be sure it was seen.


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I attempted to remove the disruptive comments and Smee has reverted them. As I have promised not to go to AN/I with this, I am coming to you instead.


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''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas5}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
== Removing my comments from multiple article talkpages? ==
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*I am truly sorry to bother you again. {{user|Lsi john}} is removing my comments from ''multiple'' article talk pages, and calling them "Bad Faith". I am simply noting the state of the article as citations are being removed from that article, so that other editors can come back and easily see this. However, that is besides the point. It is extremely rude and weird for another editor to remove ''someone else's'' comments from an article talk page, unless those comments post that editor's personal off-Wiki contact information, or is a blatant personal attack, as far as I understood policy. But to remove another editor's comments just because that user ''feels'' it is "bad faith", seems to be a bit bad faith itself. I do not know what to do in this situation. ] 21:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC).
**Again, to make it simple: I do not see how posting a comment with a link to an older page, and noting the number of citations the article had at that time, and then saying I am taking a break from that article, is in any way "disruptive", "own", or "bad faith", or anything of the sort. It is simply that - stating how many citations the article had at the time, nothing more, nothing less. But I would appreciate your input. ] 21:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC).
***You know what? Nevermind. Actually, if ] really wants to be this disruptive, and remove my comments from talkpages, call them "bad faith", and edit war over comments on an article's ''talk page'', that's fine. I am just going to remove them from my watchlist. It will be interesting to hear your feedback in any event. Again, I ''am'' sorry for bothering you. Yours, ] 21:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC).
****By the way, just to be clear, I Self-Reverted on each of the three articles' talkpages in question, back to the version where ] removed my comments from the article talkpages, just so it is clear there is no confusion. ] 21:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC).

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October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"
They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name
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If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

  • here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
  • here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

  • They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
  • They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Pint-size James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit (blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

The Admin's Barnstar

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Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

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For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Vandalism/Disruptive edits
- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]
-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]
-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
  • Bad Faith
- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.
  • Original Research
-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.
@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
and yet he gave me a edit warning.
Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
look at my talk page , "November 2024".
You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
  • You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
  • Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
  • Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
  • Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
  • This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
  • Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

December music

story · music · places

I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Coffee/Holidays}} to your fellow editors' talk pages.

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

Ekdalian (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas5}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Ekdalian (talk) 08:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)