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The current single sentence on Gaza in the lede is as follows: {{green|During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent military aid to Israel, as well as humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip.}} The sentence is regularly modified, including the word "limited" which keeps being added/removed in front of "humanitarian aid". I started ] on this topic a while ago; it didn't get a lot of input and didn't lead to a consensus. I thought this RfC could generate a larger discussion and settle a few related questions at once:
* Should the "military aid" and "humanitarian aid" be mentioned side by side as is?
* Should we mention that the amount of military aid sent to Israel is ?
* Next to the mention of military aid, should there be a mention of allegations of war crimes against Israel?
Feel free to expand the discussion to other questions. My hope is that we can workshop a sentence that has a consensus behind it. Thanks! ] (]) 13:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)}}
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I'm opening a new RfC in an attempt to permanently solve this dispute. Should the Estado Novo regime be considered fascist? -- ] (]) 00:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)}}
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'''Question'''. Should this article include allegations of sexual violence and torture that were documented in the broader conflict after the Hamas-led incursion?
*'''A'''. '''No''' - These should be covered in parent articles (e.g., ]) and in dedicated articles (e.g., ])
*'''B'''. '''Yes, in aftermath''' - Include them in a brief Aftermath section (the current {{alink|Israeli counterattack}} section or a new one) with links to more detailed coverage in other articles.
*'''C'''. '''Yes, in main content''', either: '''1. as in current version''' (see {{alink||Reported atrocities}}), or '''2. elsewhere''' (please specify).
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Should the Yom Kippur War be characterized in any of the following ways in the infobox ]:
# Do not characterize the war in the infobox, but write "See aftermath."
# Israeli victory
# Stalemate
# Egyptian victory
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Should ] specify the start of a century or millennium as a year ending in 1 (e.g. the 20th century as 1901–2000), as a year ending in 0 (e.g. the 20th century as 1900–1999), or treat both as acceptable options with the use of hatnotes for clarity in the case of ambiguity in articles? See the discussion above. ] <sup>(], ])</sup> 14:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)}}
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There have been several discussions opened in the past regarding this article's content and overall scope. Several wars have a list of military engagements and battles. Examples include: ], ], ], ].


The ] is no different with this article. However, unlike all the other list of military engagement articles, this article has a ton of clean-up templates including lack of sourcing, MOS, and scope issues.
*]-- Should the introduction to the article should state that the dictabelt evidence, which the HSCA relied on in coming to the conclusion that Oswald assassinated Kennedy probably as a result of conspiracy, has been debunked. Please see talk. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
*]. There are many disputed issues on this article that's been causing constant revert wars for the last few months. Please consult the talk page for details. 07:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
*]. To my mind (and per many AFDs), calling someone a "Hero of X" is an extraordinary claim requiring more than the usual citations required by ]. It's too big an award for the only requirement to be a journalist tossing off the phrase in the middle of an article. Anyway, the real problem with this article is that several sections are based on an official award (no problem), but the last section: "Historical Heroes" is based on opinion. I believe the last section should go. Several Azerbaijanis insist that the people listed are indisputable heroes (but can only come up with limited cites). Other insist they are not. - 19:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
*]. Biased inferences are made on the basis of a picture of an announcement in a public clinic in Ukraine. --] 16:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
*]. Should this template be named History of Manchuria or History of Northeast China? 07:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
* ] – Revert-warring and disputing over whether to keep content that has been re-written and moved to ] by original author. Conflict has so far been centered on complaints about civility and lack of fact discussion. 06:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
* ] Should we keep the article ] (province of different states, now the Northern part of ]) for the whole history of the province or make it a disambig to the articles on the provinces as part of different countries? 00:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] - Should ] be cited as a sole source for any information in this article?
* ] - mediation failed, outside views requested.
* ] - The dispute is over question if Croatia has been or not kingdom. Dispute is in this article and in article ]. Short version of long story is that all world Encyclopedia accept that Croatia has been kingdom, but 1 user is against that and he is puting POV tag. If Croatia is not kingdom then there will be need to change 30 - 50 others articles on wikipedia. 09:14 26 may 2007
* ] - The dispute is over whether or not to include this sentence in the introduction of the ] article: ''Though its exact borders remain undefined, it is located between ] to the north, ] and ] to the east, and ] to the south-west.'' Currently, the article reads: ''It borders ] on the north, ] and ] on the east, and ] on the south-west.'' A number of sources have been provided by one editor to support the claim that Israel’s borders are undefined and/or undeclared . Examples of these sources include: , . Two editors reject the relevance and/or reliability of those sources. Your comments would be appreciated. For those who require more information, review the section above the RfC where the discussion began here: .17:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] — Was torture used during the Spanish Inquisition to convert Jews and Muslims? 06:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] - this article is about a region (in the past). ]. One side wants the article to be about the province of Paytakaran only, while the other side wants the article to be about the region throughout history even though it had different names at different times. This dispute has been deadlocked for MONTHS. Please force this issue one way or the other!. 20:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC) 05:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] - New ] poll at ]. Candidates for a new article name are ], ], ], and ]. We are trying to "get as many disinterested editors as possible to express an opinion" there. 10:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] - ] - This article is embroiled in a dispute over POV. One editor believes the article should be specifically about the Turkish Armed Forces of the Republic of Turkey dating to the creation of that state in the 1920's. Another editor holds the position that the article should be far lengthier, and encompass a view of ethnic Turkish military history dating back to 209 BC, taken directly from the web page of the Republic of Turkey's military. 18:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] (and elsewhere on the page) - Outside commentary and suggestions needed to help resolve long-running historical naming issue. 14:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] - outside intervention is needed as revert war and personal attacks prevail over meaningful discussion. 13:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
* ] - suggestions wanted on planned reorganization of the article. 21:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - a conflict over two similar versions is destabilizing into a revert war. Neutral comments needed to prevent further problems.
*] - Is it appropriate or useful for an article on a community that has none of its own media outlets to contain a list of every '''DX''' (distant signals from other places) station that has ever been picked up by dial scanners in the area? 15:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
*]. Should ] redirect to Nordic theory? 09:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
*] Creating a new guideline regarding the notability of highways. 04:44, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
*] Opinion is split over whether the term "eight thousand Bosniak males were systematically ..." or "eight thousand Bosnian Muslims males were systematically ...". 22:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - Dispute about undue weight being given to minority views and excessive citation and detail in order to argue for these views. Outside views needed to establish a balanced POV. 11:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - The article needs a comprehensible English for a removed phrase as {{user|Ghirlandajo}} requested, also please explain the style of of "Xue" in the "references" section to this particular user here as I'm not skilled in English. 18:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - Should the skimpy article include a lengthy unsourced critique of a documentary about the subject? 18:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - Should "Naptown" be included in the infobox as a nickname? 18:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - should the article be named by this unsigned designation or the commonly-known street names? 21:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
* ], ], ] - what individuals should be included in the "important figures" list of these three articles of the states during the ] era, and perhaps more generalized (and uniform) discussion on criteria for inclusion (or whether the lists should even exist). As ] appears to be the most disputed of the three lists, please direct the discussion to ]. 19:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - Edit war. A user keeps inserting unsourced or poorly sourced material that contradicts the rest of the article. 06:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - discussions regarding importance and scope of ] plus few other issues are deadlocked, leading to revert war and protections. Comments from outside neutral parties needed. 18:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
*] &ndash; There have been multiple discussions and move requests regarding the name that should be used for the article (see the talk page for further details regarding the naming dispute). 22:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
*] - a discussion about the wording on how to describe the USMC as a distinct part the Department of the Navy. Current wording goes ]: ''"Alongside the U.S. Navy, the Marine Corps operates as a part of the United States Department of the Navy."'' Please discuss.
*] - is it necessary to use templates to produce table formatting, or is it acceptable to use normal table formatting even when the associated WikiProject says that those templates should be used? 23:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
*]. Should an article about an alleged historical program of the Soviet Union from the 1970s be used to make allegations about Saddam Hussein and WMDs in 2003? 20:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC) Could a user connect different allegations coming from different sources about Russia helping Saddam to cover up WMD under single title made by one source "Operation Sarindar" which referred to alleged operation in Lybia in 1970-1980? 06:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC) This article is not about old program. It is about alleged ''implementation'' of this old program by ] in 2002 and 2003 to help Saddam Hussein. 21:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
*]. How should unrecognized ''de facto'' states like Transnistria and Abkhazia be dealt with in the list? 17:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


So, with all that background, let's have a discussion on what the '''''scope''''' of this article should include, or more specifically, '''what is a "]" during the Israel-Hamas war?''' Are ''"Battle of ...."'' engagements? Are airstrikes engagements? Should the article's scope be redefined away from "military engagements" to just "engagements"? Ect... '''The ]''' (] 17:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)}}
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I'd like to understand why we don't keep than the image montage in the article at the moment. The is obviously better in terms of framing and resolution, as well as showing the exact moment when the second plane crashed into the WTC. ] (]) 21:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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What should the infobox indicate as the location of the hostilities?

*'''Option 1''' - ] and ], ]
*'''Option 2''' - ]

Please enter Option 1 or Option 2, followed by a brief statement, in the Survey. Do not reply to other users in the Survey. Back-and-forth discussion may be conducted in the Discussion section. ]] 16:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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Should the this Misplaced Pages page contain the section begining: article in the newspaper '']'', headlined "The Secret of Sabiha Hatun"? ] (]) 09:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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Talk:Joe Biden

The current single sentence on Gaza in the lede is as follows: During the Israel–Hamas war, Biden condemned the actions of Hamas as terrorism and sent military aid to Israel, as well as humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip. The sentence is regularly modified, including the word "limited" which keeps being added/removed in front of "humanitarian aid". I started a discussion on this topic a while ago; it didn't get a lot of input and didn't lead to a consensus. I thought this RfC could generate a larger discussion and settle a few related questions at once:
  • Should the "military aid" and "humanitarian aid" be mentioned side by side as is?
  • Should we mention that the amount of military aid sent to Israel is a historical record?
  • Next to the mention of military aid, should there be a mention of allegations of war crimes against Israel?

Feel free to expand the discussion to other questions. My hope is that we can workshop a sentence that has a consensus behind it. Thanks! WikiFouf (talk) 13:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Estado Novo (Portugal)

I'm opening a new RfC in an attempt to permanently solve this dispute. Should the Estado Novo regime be considered fascist? -- 2804:29B8:5183:100C:7163:1F92:A81A:7841 (talk) 00:06, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel

Question. Should this article include allegations of sexual violence and torture that were documented in the broader conflict after the Hamas-led incursion?

Alaexis¿question? 11:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Yom Kippur War

Should the Yom Kippur War be characterized in any of the following ways in the infobox WP:RESULT:
  1. Do not characterize the war in the infobox, but write "See aftermath."
  2. Israeli victory
  3. Stalemate
  4. Egyptian victory

Andre🚐 23:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers

Should MOS:CENTURY specify the start of a century or millennium as a year ending in 1 (e.g. the 20th century as 1901–2000), as a year ending in 0 (e.g. the 20th century as 1900–1999), or treat both as acceptable options with the use of hatnotes for clarity in the case of ambiguity in articles? See the discussion above. Chessrat 14:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:List of military engagements during the Israel–Hamas war

There have been several discussions opened in the past regarding this article's content and overall scope. Several wars have a list of military engagements and battles. Examples include: World War I ("Military engagements"), World War II ("Battles"), Russian invasion of Ukraine ("Military engagements"), Sudanese civil war ("Engagements").

The Israel–Hamas war is no different with this article. However, unlike all the other list of military engagement articles, this article has a ton of clean-up templates including lack of sourcing, MOS, and scope issues.

So, with all that background, let's have a discussion on what the scope of this article should include, or more specifically, what is a "military engagement" during the Israel-Hamas war? Are "Battle of ...." engagements? Are airstrikes engagements? Should the article's scope be redefined away from "military engagements" to just "engagements"? Ect... The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:September 11 attacks

I'd like to understand why we don't keep this photo collage much more representative than the image montage in the article at the moment. The main image I suggested is obviously better in terms of framing and resolution, as well as showing the exact moment when the second plane crashed into the WTC. Chronus (talk) 21:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Second Nagorno-Karabakh War

What should the infobox indicate as the location of the hostilities?

Please enter Option 1 or Option 2, followed by a brief statement, in the Survey. Do not reply to other users in the Survey. Back-and-forth discussion may be conducted in the Discussion section. Grandmaster 16:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Sabiha Gökçen

Should the this Misplaced Pages page contain the section begining: article in the newspaper Agos, headlined "The Secret of Sabiha Hatun"? 217.44.10.171 (talk) 09:27, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


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