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			==Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment==
	== Massive Editing on the Way ==
			] This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2020-08-27">27 August 2020</span> and <span class="mw-formatted-date" title="2020-12-10">10 December 2020</span>. Further details are available ]. Student editor(s): ].

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	In order to increase the rating of the L word article, during november 2006 it will be undergoing massive editing. A considerable part of the information provided may be replaced and new sections are to be added. Hopefully someday the article may show up in the main site! --] 08:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
			== Original run: January 2004 -- present (FACT) ==

			the title says everything, so, DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT, CHANGE THE LAST RUN OF THE SHOW FROM "PRESENT" to anything like "2009" or "2008" because, yes we know the end date, we also know the end date to ], and i don't see its "Original Run" section chaging. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	=== First Massive Update ===
			hi Rem! :) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Season 6 cast, NOT CONFIRMED ==
	* Season Synopses for seasons 1~3 will be replaced by shorter out-of-universe versions. In-Universe versions will be temporarily moved to separate articles until quotes can be provided for each season and episode.

			Stop, please, stop stating who will appear in the 6th season cast, in the main cast section. I found Alice, for an example, with spanning seasons from 1 to 6. We also thought Papi was going to be in the 5th season cast, and look where that ended up! And about Papi, how do we know if she we will guest star in season 6? How do we know if Carmen, will guest star in season 6, seeing thought it's stated there, yet again, for the 10th time! Anyways, LEAVE IT ALONE! <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	* Character cast info will be added.

			==Papi's Disappearance==
	* Restructuring of first paragraphs also made.
			"The fifth season lead to the mysterious disappearance of Eva "Papi" Torres (Janina Gavankar), as well as the departure of (season four reoccurring guest star) Paige Sobel (portrayed by Kristanna Loken). An explanation on Papi’s disappearance has yet to be discussed on the show or by the writers/producers of “The L Word”. The show has moved on as if Papi had never existed."

			Why is there so much information about a character who is NOT in the season? Mark's disappearance was never mentioned this way. The season synopses are very inconsistent and detail just a few of the important things that happened. ] (]) 08:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
	-- ] 03:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

			:Yes I know what you mean, but this is different because Papi was a main character and very close to the whole circle of friends and Mark wasn't, besides, Mark's disappearance has an explanation, he was forced to leave - Papi hasn't got an explanation... ] (]) 15:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	=== Second Update ===

			::You are incorrect. Mark's storyline ended with him leaving his key, but Jenny telling him to stay because she wanted him to deal with the consequences of his actions. He took back the key agreeing to stay, but never appeared again.
	Trivia within the article has been split up into references in Pop-Culture & Trivia. This has reduced the extension of the trivia section. At the same time, character list has been moved up to Cast & Characters.

			::Also, many people would not consider Papi a main character. She only appeared in one season and was not "very close to the whole circle of friends". She was only close to Kit and Tasha and had no significant storylines that weren't connected to them or Shane. She didn't spend much time with Alice or Helena and only hung out with the rest of the group at the basketball game, where she wasn't exactly liked. Papi called the whole group "bougie asses" and was generally dismissive of them.
	The reference on pop culture section will be undergoing editing as well in order to either transform it into a separate article or to eliminate bullets from it. -- ] 18:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

			::Mark and Papi had equal screen time and importance to the show. He came to The Planet and interacted with all the friends, not to mention his actions having serious consequences in the Shane/Carmen and Jenny/Carmen relationships. ] (]) 00:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
	== The L Word Peer Review ==

			:::I still state that Mark's disapperance has kind of a logical explanation and you know what? Now that i think of it, after watching 5.10 "Lifecycle", when Tasha said to Alice that the old friends she found were friends of her and Papi's, they still mention her sometimes, she's not necessarily out of the characters lives, we just don't see them in the series. And by the way, we don't know if she's out for good, we don't know if even Helena's gone for good, we thought Marina was, still she made an appearance in season 4. ] (]) 13:50, March 11th 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	This is basically the feedback obtained so far concerning the article's general quality, anyone up for extensive research and general restructuring of the article?

			::::Someone has already changed it to a list of characters that left after season four without emphasizing Papi, so it is much more balanced and unbiased. The issue is now resolved. ] (]) 22:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
	{{cquotetxt\| Most crucially, I think, the article needs to '''reorient its focus''' away from generally unencyclopedic content such as plot and character descriptions - which are all inordinately long and threaten to violate ] - and towards encyclopedic subjects such as real-world factors that have influenced the work, its reception by critics, the influence of the work on later creators and their projects, etc. The key guideline here is ], which is highly recommended reading for anyone working on TV show articles. Of course, all the plot synopses could just as well be deleted as ], as they're unsourced. Also, per ], long trivia sections are bad practice. ] 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)\|\|\|color=silver\|size=360%}}

	I ~~will~~ be ~~posting~~ a ~~to-do~~ ~~list~~ on ~~the~~ ~~talk~~ ~~page.~~ -- ] 00:47, 13 ~~October~~ ~~2006~~ (UTC)		:::::Well, Papi is back on business... with Gabby Deveaux... isn't that nice? --] (]) 21:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC).

			== Update The Chart ==
	== About the L word's "L" revert war ==

			In the episode 5.01: "LGB Tease" the chart wasn't shown in any moment and yet the chart here in wikipedia was updated, but now, three episodes have past and so far, Shane has slept with 5 girls (two of them being the owners of SheBar - Cindi and Dawn), Tina with one and Helena with "Dusty", but the chart wasn't updated and it was shown a portion of the chart in episode 5.04: "Let's get this party started"... ] (]) 15:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
	As you might have noticed, there has been a little revert war going on with this article, concerning the following phrase:

			So... I've made a chart following the original one's idea, but i'm still missing the names of three girls that Shane slept with (the bridesmaids) and the girl Tina slept with in the beggining of the 5th season... any help? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	{{cquotetxt\| The title the L Word refers to Lesbian but many L words are used as motifs in the series. In a fun spirit of ] the series is literially, lusty ,lovely lady, lesbians living, loving and learning in the limelight lifestyle of Los Angeles.\|\|\|color=silver\|size=360%}}

	As ~~long~~ as ~~there~~ is no ~~specific citing~~ of ~~where~~ ~~this~~ ~~information~~ ~~comes~~ ~~from,~~ ~~the~~ ~~line~~ is ~~biased~~ ~~and~~ ~~should~~ ~~not~~ be ~~added~~ to ~~the article~~. (]~~). --~~ ] 22:59, 1 ~~October~~ ~~2006~~ (UTC)		:: The Chart has been updated as of 01.29.2009... I guess we can wait until the Sixth Season Finale to make final tweakings to it. --] (]) 21:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

			=="Main Cast" Character List==
	However ALL these "l Words" are clearly displayed in the first seasons opening credits. The use of ] of key themes of a body of work such as the series ] does not necessarily indicate a bias. The desire to spitefully remove such a sentence could be seen as ]. October 2006 {{unsigned2\|16:10, October 4, 2006\|169.139.188.186}}
			Certain characters that are not credited for in the opening screen have been added as main cast for the show in the article. These "guest appearances" include ], ], & ]. Note that these characters have always been credited as "guests", which differs from the case of those played by ], ], ] or ] for that matter. French's character (Niki Stevens) has as much visibility a Malaya Rivera-Drew's (Adele Channing), which did not make the list. All these "guest appearances" should be removed from the main character list down to the Guest Appearances. --] (]) 15:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

			==WikiProject Television Assessment==
	:A statement that the credits contain other L words (with examples) is fine, that's a basis of describing the themes of the show without partisanship or an POV. A "cute" (even if enjoyable) version demonstrates that one is a fan of the show which breaks ] even if the comment added content to the article (which in this case I don't believe it does). It's a fun alliterative sentence, I agree, but in my opinion it's more appropriate to a fansite than an encyclopedia entry. Misplaced Pages is ] -] 22:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
			I have asked for a review of the article by WikiProject Television. I am hoping to get some guidance into improving any notable weaknesses --] (]) 02:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

			==Second Peer Review Verdict==
	::I don't think we're near needing it, but if recent problematic edits (see article history) continueso, this article should probably ]. However, a couple of borderline vandalism shots aren't worth it just yet in my opinion. Just linking the request page for editors in case it seems more urgent in the future. -] 15:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

			According to the peer review on the article, The References in Pop Culture section violates ], and thus should be deleted. I will go through the citations and see which of these could be moved into other sections but the purpose of this message is to inform that the section will be removed to adhere to Misplaced Pages Standards. --] (]) 20:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
	It appears that the problem is the repeated deletion of the article's introduction paragraph that explains what the "L Word" means. Perhaps someone could simply add a short CITED explanation of the orgin of the "L Word" and what it means. If you look at other editors comments further down many are confused as to what the "L Word" really means. As a global village of Misplaced Pages editors we need to address this question. After all why are we keeping this information as a secret? {{unsigned2\|14:08, October 6, 2006\|169.139.188.232}}
			::Succesfully went through all cited references and merged the most important information (series referencing the show) into the Reception Section. Hence, the 'References in Pop Culture' section has been succesfully deleted from the article.--] (]) 04:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
	:: There is no secret about this! There is just no source for this assumption! -- ] 04:24, 7 October 2006 (UTC).

			==Season Synopses Editing==
	The L Words Brother at Showtime ] wikipedia article explains what that title means. This is good as the series title is obscure British slang Americans may not understand.
	There is a source that was found on the Internet using the search engine Ask. The quote from WWW.TVTOME.com/LWord describes the series as "The L Word is the intimate story about the LIVES and LOVES of a froup of LESBIAN friends LIVING in LOS ANGELES." I offer this up as a possible less Biased and "cute" ] that if properly linked and not violating copyrights could be added. As an alternative compromise mentioning that the series uses L Word as Motifs and that the titles of most episodes begin with L is simply an innocuous statement unlikely to ruffle sensibilities. {{unsigned2\|20:13, October 7, 2006\|169.139.188.186}}

			As of 5/20, The Synopses for the Interrogation Tapes, along with Seasons 2, 4, 5 and 6 have been edited as to remove as much in-universe information as possible to upgrade the article's quality. Season three is still pending some editing.--] (]) 04:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
	I have just read the Cuban novel ] by ]. It details the closeted love life of two Cuban factory workers. The main desire of the two women is to stand up and declare they are lesbians but the political culture of Cuba will not allow this. This is an excellent reason why we MUST define what the "L Word" is. Stand Up be proud and embace the "L Word" as LESBIAN.] 5:32 22 March 2007
			:: Season 3 succesfully reduced, hoping to adhere to the Peer Review Guidelines. --] (]) 04:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
			¶ This has probably been much belabored but it is NOT clear in Season 6 (the final season) if Jenny Schecter is dead or merely injured. The internet "L Word Interrogation Tapes" finish with the police detective (Lucy Lawless) asking one of the characters "Who said that she was dead?" When her inert body is brought through the living room (unnecessarily, I think), it is not covered nor in a body bag -- on the other hand, there is no breathing apparatus or intravenous tubes. Nobody is arrested and the characters are all "invited" to come to the police station, on their own, in the middle of the night. It was never resolved what had happened; whether Jenny was found in the swimming pool or at the foot of the balcony stairs or what, nor whether it was an accident, a suicide attempt or some sort of foul play. Of course, by the end of the season the number of characters without a motive to do her harm was quite small. ] (]) 04:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

			==The Chart Editing==
	:I'm a bit confused by the above comment. The show being about lesbians is stated clearly in the first sentence (at least as of this writing). -] 21:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

			This note serves to inform that ''The Chart'' section will be undergoing massive editing as to improve the article's quality. --04:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
	YOU MUST read this novel ] if you have ANY question to why we MUST proudly declare the "L WORD" to mean only one thing and that means LESBIAN. The story of two women facing prision for love is a must read ] 8 June 2007 6:00
			:As of 6/07 The Chart Subsection Edited as to adhere to Peer Review Guidelines --] (]) 05:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

			== Location ==
	Whoever still has doubts about the fact that the L word does not clearly specify that the "L" stands for lesbians, should go back to the First Season DVD's and see what they have to say. -- ] 22:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC).

			While much of the series is obviously filmed in southern California, the production section mentions Vancouver:
	== Music ??? ==

			: "''The L Word'' was filmed in ], ], at Coast Mountain Films Studios,..."
	why is the music such a prominent part of this article??--] 04:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

			The relationship and process need to be made more clear. The current wording is contradictory. ] (]) 16:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
	:Yeah, it kind of takes over the whole thing, even the table of contents up front. I do like having this information available, though--it's fascinating to review. Why don't we spawn a new page (and link to it from here) of "The L Word (Music)" or something? Anyone know what the precedents are on Misplaced Pages for that sort of thing? -- ] 04:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

	:~~Well,~~ no one has ~~commented~~ ~~one~~ ~~way~~ or ~~another~~ ~~after~~ ~~three~~ ~~weeks,~~ so ~~I've~~ ~~moved~~ the ~~music~~ ~~listings~~ to a ~~separate~~ ~~article~~. --] 22:16, 5 ~~February~~ ~~2006~~ (UTC)		: Since no one else has done it yet, I have simply added text from the endings of many of the episodes so that the LA connection is made plain. ] (]) 19:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

			== Papi ==
	Where's this page gone? Can't find it anywhere?!! -- {{unsigned\|62.56.67.221\|11:09, 30 July 2006}}
	:It was put up for Articles for Deletion at the beginning of July, and was deleted after a short vote. See ]. -- ] 16:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

			The Papi page should be restored. It has more information on the character than the merged article.
	Is there anyway to get this page back? i'd be really interested to read about the music throughout the season..

			http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Papi_(The_L_Word_character)&redirect=no
	==L as a word==
	So which word is the "L word", exactly? Love? Lust? Lesbian? Lollipop? I am no insider to the series and would love clarification ] 08:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

			] (]) 06:31, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
	NOTE The L-Word refers to Lesbian but also MULTIPLE "L-Words" are used in the opening credits and as motifs such loving, limber, lashes, Los Angeles.{{unsigned2\|15:59, October 4, 2006\|169.139.188.186}}

	: I don't believe this is exactly explicitly stated in the series. ] 08:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
	:: The "L" stands for a number of things, so it is open to unofficial interpretation. ~ ] 23:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
	:::I believe it is saying that the "L word" is Lesbain, as in it is a hard word for people to say, understand and stuff. Which is of course from "the L" word as in Love, like two girls gossping about their girlfriends "I still can't get him to say The L word". The word Love is hard to say out loud, talk about openly and such in a relationship, it is treated with much fear and respect that they refer to it only as the L word. I think it is saying the same as a title, like "OMG look at us, L word, naugty, Lesbians on TV, outrage, watch me now I'm edgy". A great name for a show too, as you can see from your questions it works on many levels. Shame about the show though, at least where I live the episode was pretty bad, may have been an early episode though. The show seems too unrealistic, as in it feels like a sitcom ] 15:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


	The L word is not one thing, its whatever it means to you, i think their trying to say that one thing isnt the same for everybody, so if the l word is lesbian for you it might be love for someone else displaying that everyone is idividual. {{unsignedIP\|213.122.76.82\|23:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC)}}

	==Major script / plot changes between Season 2 and Season 3==
	There should be mention in the article of the drastic changes in the tone and plot style of the show between Season 2 and Season 3 - the show's PR blurb described this as a decision to make the show funnier and more exciting (I (and I know I'm not the only one) would describe it as a radical dumbing down of the show's plots and dialogue in favour of general wackiness and ]-style stating-the-obvious dialogue). POV stances aside, the show's publicity material itself emphasized that there was a conscious decision to change the style of the show for Season 3. Also there are glaringly obvious changes in the show as the 180 degree personality change in Helena Peabody, who went from power-tripping rich bitch to the friendliest and nicest heiress you could ever meet. ] 02:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

	: Helena did change tremendously during seasons 2 and 3. One can assume this happened after having been admitted to the group. However, something did not change: her prodigal behavior was a clear constant in both seasons. It was always obvious Helena didn't care about money at all throughout the series. Neither in her relationship with Tina or her affair with Dylan she took a moment to consider sparing a penny. 16:32, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Season 3 DVD? ==

	Anyone know when the Season 3 DVDs are coming out? (no pun intended) ] 23:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

	:Expect it by October 2006. 16:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

	::October 24, according to Netflix. ] 23:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

	== actor category ==

	many tv shows have a "'showname' actors" category, it would be nice to add this for 'the l word' as it has quite a few guest stars and cast members. and the list of guest stars is getting out of hand.

	:I was actually wondering that myself. The L word has quite a long actor list, maybe we could all start working on a list of characters in the series. ] 17:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

	::That would be an interesting project. How about combining it with my idea of making a list of relationships in the series? --] 09:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

	:::How could we do this?? ] 20:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

	::::Well, a start could be to start the article ], and for each character put in their name, which episode they appear in and in what context, and a list of relationships under each character. Example:
	<pre>
	==A==
	*'''Alice Pieszecki''' — main character seasons 1-4
	**Dates Gabby Devaux until episode ...
	**Dates "Lisa" the lesbian identified man in episodes MM-NN
	**Has slept with Nina
	...
	==C==
	*'''Clayborne''' — alluded to in episode XX season YY
	**Has dated Robin and left her at the altar
	</pre>
	--] 09:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

	:: Ok! I'll do Alice and maybe Jenny... anyone feels like writing down Shane's connections? ] 20:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

	== The Chart ==
	I was wondering about a few things regarding the chart:
	#Where does some of the information in the chart currently in the article come from? I know I updated mine according to it, but suddenly realised I can't remember ever hearing anything about for instance Marina and Robin or Lara Perkins and Gabby Deveaux getting together. And where does this Nick Brakshov appear? And was Clayborne ever actually featured in the series, or just mentioned?
	#Wouldn't it be easier to have a chart graphic that's more easily updateable in the article, as no doubt more characters and interrelationships will be introduced in the next season(s)? I'm updating my graphic for the norwegian article anyway, so it will be updated as the series progress. I could try and make it more similar to Alice's online chart (fonts and no bubbles for instance) if that's the issue.
	This is not meant as a challenge of any sort, just trying to get into a constructive dialogue instead of a revert war. <tt>:)</tt> --] 03:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

	:Nevermind, I do not feel challenged whatsoever for this, I just want what is best for the article. =)

	:About your notes:

	:#Information provided in the chart comes directly from the shows. Every single connection established is either mentioned or referenced to.
	:#Remember Marina had been courting Robin on and along the 'Provocations' exhibit. Jenny's encounter with Marina and Robin prompts her to leave the CAC.
	:#The Lara-Gabby relationship has more background... In episode 3.01 'Labia Majora', Alice speaks about it. Going back to season 2, If you remember Gabby's appearance, the first thing she mentions to Alice is that she has found new love. This new love is no other than Lara Perkins, which causes Alice to start telling Mimmy at KCRW about it and leads to her explanation of the chart. Another reference is when Lara first meets Dana during season 2, where Alice comments about her relationship with Gabby. Lara also tells her they are no longer dating.
	:#I don't mind you replace the chart with a newer version. I replaced yours with my last version because I tried untangling the portion entirely (I left no cross-lining), and tried to make it resemble the one Alice placed online.

	:I believe we can both collaborate to make it a cool section, since the Chart itself is a pretty interesting and particular topic of this series! ] 17:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

	::It definately seems like you've researched this thoroughly! There might even be enough information here for a separate article about the chart or maybe just "Relationships on The L Word"? That would serve as a very nice reference for the chart as well. <tt>;D</tt>
	::On the graphics; I've made a ] that's got a look more similar to Alice's and that has no crossing lines. It's also very easy to update without having to redraw anything by hand, as all the graphics are rendered automatically from the data in the ]. The downside is it's hard or impossible to control the details of how the graph is laid out, but that would have to change with the addition of more nodes and edges anyway. -- ] 09:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Wow! Now I like this version of the Chart =), However, the Chart itself doesn't seem to have yet enough information to be an independent article, maybe the Planet would have a longer history! ] 20:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

	::And about the background research, consider Alice is in fact my favorite character =Þ~ ] 20:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

	:Doesn't "The Chart" appear on a white board across Alice's apartment in the pilot, rather than by season 3?
	] 05:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

	==User box==
	Need some help making this one a user box!! What do you guys think?

	<div style="float:{{{float\|left}}}; border:{{{border-width\|1}}}px solid {{{border-color\|{{{1\|#ff00ff}}}}}}; margin:1px;">
	{\| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:{{{info-background\|{{{2\|#F39}}}}}};"
	\| style="width:45px; height:45px; background:{{{logo-background\|{{{1\|#F3C}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size\|{{{5\|12}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color\|#000000}}};" \| '''{{{logo\|{{{3\|the L word}}}}}}'''
	\| style="font-size:{{{info-size\|8}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{info-color\|#ffffff}}};" \| This user's favorite words start with "L"
	\|}</div> ] 20:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

	:Nice. The colors need tweaking (or are you deliberately limiting to Web-safe colors? Let me know when you finish it and make it available in the template namespace. ] 23:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

	:: I tried to stick to web-safe. But I could fine-tune them anyway too... maybe I'm a little colorblind =P~. Do you know what are the tones? -- ] 03:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

	:::I'm not that technically oriented, though, I would just tweak the colors in a color wheel until I found the shade that felt right. I like the pink at the right, but the pink at the left seems kinda garish to me. Or maybe I need to have my boyfriend recallibrate my monitor. ] 23:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

	What about this option?? It is color matched to the show's official website.

	<div style="float:{{{float\|left}}}; border:{{{border-width\|1}}}px solid {{{border-color\|{{{1\|#ff00ff}}}}}}; margin:1px;">
	{\| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px; background:{{{info-background\|{{{2\|#DE3163}}}}}};"
	\| style="width:45px; height:45px; background:{{{logo-background\|{{{1\|#003366}}}}}}; text-align:center; font-size:{{{logo-size\|{{{5\|12}}}}}}pt; color:{{{logo-color\|#DE3163}}};" \| '''{{{logo\|{{{3\|the L word}}}}}}'''
	\| style="font-size:{{{info-size\|8}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{info-color\|#ffffff}}};" \| This user's name may be found on The Chart.
	\|}</div>

	--] 23:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


	:::I llllove it! Please make it available as a template and let me know at my user talk page. ] 21:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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	== Add a Cultural Relevance & Critique Section? ==

	Has anyone thought about adding sections on Cultural Relevance or Critique (artistic, cultural, etc.) of the l word? It hardly seems realistic not to do so. For instance, there has been much discussion about whether or not the show should . Other queer shows have articles that do this thoughtfully and with respect. Deebki 08:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

	: IMHO, I am not so sure the L word could really be able to portray the "real life lesbians" that have been suggested in several messageboard posts. There once was a very good article covering this dilemma in the website, it should be up somewhere over there. It is obvious the writers have intended to show these girls have a particular way of thinking and are very judgemental of whom they relate to; and the show itself depicts differences both between social classes and ideological beliefs. --] 22:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

	:: I'd agree with your critique. And I believe the article deserves a section that lets readers know there is such debate going on about the show. Do you think we should add the section? Deebki 08:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

	: Should read over ] and ] before you embark on something like this. - ] 04:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

	:I agree that the article needs a section detailing criticisms and cultural relevance. There's no such thing as a television show that takes no flak from its viewers. I was under the impression that it was fairly standard procedure on Misplaced Pages to include a variety of perspectives on popular media; for instance, there is a "Criticism" section in the article about "Sex in the City." However, this article's POV is fairly one-sided and I think that an alternate POV is needed to balance it out. ] 18:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

	==Portugal==
	It's also being aired in Portugal, by ] the public television. It's aired daily, currently on the second season.

	== Fan Sites ==

	Per discussion on my ] I've removed what I felt was a self-promotional fan site (edit ]). The individual who placed that fansite link has made the argument that because the link to ] has been in this article for some time, this sets a precedent for encouraging fan links in this article.

	Personally I feel no fansite links are appropriate for popular culture articles, and there will always be an underlying POV issue with picking and choosing which ones should be allowed, but rather than being overly-bold and deciding that for myself, I'm posting here for comments/arguments regarding acceptance of the one but no others (which has seemed to be the case for some time). -] 16:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
	:The user should read ], which states "On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate, marking the link as such." Any wish to replace the one fansite editors have chosen for an article should be taken with significant deliberation on talk. Not only that, but the External links section specifically states one, and only one, fansite will be tolerated here. Disregard for Wiki guidelines and editor consensus is... troubling. If they want to force the issue, then, yes, any and all fansites should just go. - ] 16:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

	==Hasbian==

	The L Word didn't introduce Hasbian into the vernacular. The GLBT community has been using this word for donkey's years.

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Original run: January 2004 -- present (FACT)

the title says everything, so, DO NOT, i repeat, DO NOT, CHANGE THE LAST RUN OF THE SHOW FROM "PRESENT" to anything like "2009" or "2008" because, yes we know the end date, we also know the end date to Lost, and i don't see its "Original Run" section chaging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meteoritu (talk • contribs) 01:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

hi Rem! :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.168.72 (talk) 21:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Season 6 cast, NOT CONFIRMED

Stop, please, stop stating who will appear in the 6th season cast, in the main cast section. I found Alice, for an example, with spanning seasons from 1 to 6. We also thought Papi was going to be in the 5th season cast, and look where that ended up! And about Papi, how do we know if she we will guest star in season 6? How do we know if Carmen, will guest star in season 6, seeing thought it's stated there, yet again, for the 10th time! Anyways, LEAVE IT ALONE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meteoritu (talk • contribs) 04:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Papi's Disappearance

"The fifth season lead to the mysterious disappearance of Eva "Papi" Torres (Janina Gavankar), as well as the departure of (season four reoccurring guest star) Paige Sobel (portrayed by Kristanna Loken). An explanation on Papi’s disappearance has yet to be discussed on the show or by the writers/producers of “The L Word”. The show has moved on as if Papi had never existed."

Why is there so much information about a character who is NOT in the season? Mark's disappearance was never mentioned this way. The season synopses are very inconsistent and detail just a few of the important things that happened. AboveDust (talk) 08:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know what you mean, but this is different because Papi was a main character and very close to the whole circle of friends and Mark wasn't, besides, Mark's disappearance has an explanation, he was forced to leave - Papi hasn't got an explanation... meteoritu (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.126.217.34 (talk)

You are incorrect. Mark's storyline ended with him leaving his key, but Jenny telling him to stay because she wanted him to deal with the consequences of his actions. He took back the key agreeing to stay, but never appeared again.

Also, many people would not consider Papi a main character. She only appeared in one season and was not "very close to the whole circle of friends". She was only close to Kit and Tasha and had no significant storylines that weren't connected to them or Shane. She didn't spend much time with Alice or Helena and only hung out with the rest of the group at the basketball game, where she wasn't exactly liked. Papi called the whole group "bougie asses" and was generally dismissive of them.

Mark and Papi had equal screen time and importance to the show. He came to The Planet and interacted with all the friends, not to mention his actions having serious consequences in the Shane/Carmen and Jenny/Carmen relationships. AboveDust (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I still state that Mark's disapperance has kind of a logical explanation and you know what? Now that i think of it, after watching 5.10 "Lifecycle", when Tasha said to Alice that the old friends she found were friends of her and Papi's, they still mention her sometimes, she's not necessarily out of the characters lives, we just don't see them in the series. And by the way, we don't know if she's out for good, we don't know if even Helena's gone for good, we thought Marina was, still she made an appearance in season 4. meteoritu (talk) 13:50, March 11th 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.180.1.154 (talk)

Someone has already changed it to a list of characters that left after season four without emphasizing Papi, so it is much more balanced and unbiased. The issue is now resolved. AboveDust (talk) 22:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, Papi is back on business... with Gabby Deveaux... isn't that nice? --TLW (talk) 21:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC).

Update The Chart

In the episode 5.01: "LGB Tease" the chart wasn't shown in any moment and yet the chart here in wikipedia was updated, but now, three episodes have past and so far, Shane has slept with 5 girls (two of them being the owners of SheBar - Cindi and Dawn), Tina with one and Helena with "Dusty", but the chart wasn't updated and it was shown a portion of the chart in episode 5.04: "Let's get this party started"... meteoritu (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

So... I've made a chart following the original one's idea, but i'm still missing the names of three girls that Shane slept with (the bridesmaids) and the girl Tina slept with in the beggining of the 5th season... any help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meteoritu (talk • contribs) 01:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The Chart has been updated as of 01.29.2009... I guess we can wait until the Sixth Season Finale to make final tweakings to it. --TLW (talk) 21:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

"Main Cast" Character List

Certain characters that are not credited for in the opening screen have been added as main cast for the show in the article. These "guest appearances" include Kate French, Clementine Ford, & Meiling Melançon. Note that these characters have always been credited as "guests", which differs from the case of those played by Eric Lively, Eric Mabius, Marlee Matlin or Karina Lombard for that matter. French's character (Niki Stevens) has as much visibility a Malaya Rivera-Drew's (Adele Channing), which did not make the list. All these "guest appearances" should be removed from the main character list down to the Guest Appearances. --TLW (talk) 15:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Television Assessment

I have asked for a review of the article by WikiProject Television. I am hoping to get some guidance into improving any notable weaknesses --TLW (talk) 02:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Second Peer Review Verdict

According to the peer review on the article, The References in Pop Culture section violates WP:TRIVIA, and thus should be deleted. I will go through the citations and see which of these could be moved into other sections but the purpose of this message is to inform that the section will be removed to adhere to Misplaced Pages Standards. --TLW (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Succesfully went through all cited references and merged the most important information (series referencing the show) into the Reception Section. Hence, the 'References in Pop Culture' section has been succesfully deleted from the article.--TLW (talk) 04:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Season Synopses Editing

As of 5/20, The Synopses for the Interrogation Tapes, along with Seasons 2, 4, 5 and 6 have been edited as to remove as much in-universe information as possible to upgrade the article's quality. Season three is still pending some editing.--TLW (talk) 04:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Season 3 succesfully reduced, hoping to adhere to the Peer Review Guidelines. --TLW (talk) 04:59, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

¶ This has probably been much belabored but it is NOT clear in Season 6 (the final season) if Jenny Schecter is dead or merely injured. The internet "L Word Interrogation Tapes" finish with the police detective (Lucy Lawless) asking one of the characters "Who said that she was dead?" When her inert body is brought through the living room (unnecessarily, I think), it is not covered nor in a body bag -- on the other hand, there is no breathing apparatus or intravenous tubes. Nobody is arrested and the characters are all "invited" to come to the police station, on their own, in the middle of the night. It was never resolved what had happened; whether Jenny was found in the swimming pool or at the foot of the balcony stairs or what, nor whether it was an accident, a suicide attempt or some sort of foul play. Of course, by the end of the season the number of characters without a motive to do her harm was quite small. Sussmanbern (talk) 04:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

The Chart Editing

This note serves to inform that The Chart section will be undergoing massive editing as to improve the article's quality. --04:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

As of 6/07 The Chart Subsection Edited as to adhere to Peer Review Guidelines --TLW (talk) 05:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Location

While much of the series is obviously filmed in southern California, the production section mentions Vancouver:

"The L Word was filmed in Vancouver, British Columbia, at Coast Mountain Films Studios,..."

The relationship and process need to be made more clear. The current wording is contradictory. Filmfluff (talk) 16:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Since no one else has done it yet, I have simply added text from the endings of many of the episodes so that the LA connection is made plain. Filmfluff (talk) 19:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Papi

The Papi page should be restored. It has more information on the character than the merged article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Papi_(The_L_Word_character)&redirect=no

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