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	==Bloody Mary==
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	...where Stan had to constantly object to Randy drinking and even had to drive him to the Bleeding Miracle Statue (Stan drove and parked the car without crashing, despite him not being able to see over the dashboard), since Randy was too drunk to do it himself and threatened Stan with "Either you drive this car or I will!" Randy thought he had been cured when he was covered in blood from the bleeding Mary statue; however once the Pope declared it was not a miracle, Randy went back to drinking. Stan eventually gave a speech at the end of the episode which convinced Randy to never drink again. Stan objected to this too, saying that if you devote your life to avoiding something you like then that thing still controls your life. He told Randy he needed to learn some "Disciprine" (a quote used by his Japanese Karate teacher earlier in the episode); this speech convinced Randy to drink in moderation.
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	== ~~Picture~~ ==		== Stan had Astma ==

			Cartman finds an Astma-Inhaler in a Box in Stans Room according to the episode "Sexual Herassment Panda" (about 5 minutes) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	Is it just my perception or is the coloring of Stan's trousers slightly different to the way its depicted on the wikipedia image?

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	I just wanted to let everyone know I editied Stan's entry. He is not Italian-American, and there is no evidence to support this conclusion. The evidence we do have points to German-English.
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	Can you elaborate on this, please? ] 14:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

			== Big cleanup ==
	The last name, Marsh, is of German origin.
	The name Stanley is also.
	His grandfather flew Spitfires in WWII- Spitfires are British planes.
	Shelly, Sharon, Randy, Stan are all English names, with Stan being the english version of Stanley.
	Kern is a Welsh-English-Scottish mixed name.
	The only way anyone could say he is Italian-American is if you want to say he is adopted. Honestly, why say he is Italian-America? It's not true.

			Article still has issues, but I did my best to resolve a few things. I removed tons of weasel wording ("perhaps", "it can be said", etc.) and a lot of personal observations and speculative statements that were unverifiable. I also deleted several pointless entries that also took up way too much space (such as the lengthy section talking about how what color shirt Stan was wearing underneath his coat in several different episodes) and extended details about what other characters did on certain occasions (this is Stan's article!). - ] (]) 10:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
	Hey, it's me again. Someone tried to sneak the Italian thing in again, and I editied it to protect it from becoming a pile of lies. :P

			== Reason for revert ==
	There is no suggestion in the show that Stan is Italian and it should not be provided as official information.

			I've recently watched each and every single episode. I've seen nothing that offers hardcore evidence that Stan is the "leader" of the fourth grade, and the legitimacy of his placement of "third" on "the list" (from that episode) comes into question if you remember what happens during the third act. This is tricky, because it can easily be interpreted as OR but Misplaced Pages also allows some slack in allowing an episode itself as a source for articles related to the fictional character of said show. So if you remove that, all you have left is "Stan is still friends with the Goth kids", which isn't really notable enough to add as its own subsection. So I've reverted the entire subsection for now, but please discuss further and pitch ideas for how it can be expanded and improved so that it can be put back on. - ] (]) 03:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
	I am Italian-American and the comment about first names and grandfather's roots can be drastically wrong. My first name is Nicholas, that doesn't warrant me as Greek or Russian. The only point you do have is last names. But my girlfriend is also Ialian-American, and her last name is Irish. A name doesn't really matter, it's how far you go. This is just a cartoon and to be frank, Stan could be anything. Oh, and I forgot. Ellis Island. Names were changed, my dad had his first name changed there. Well...I'm tired. ] 05:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

			== Infobox (Religion) ==
	Very true- But Marvin Marsh said he flew Spitfires in WWII. Spitfires=British plane. And, while Stan COULD be anything, all evidence we can gather points to German-English. We can only go on the information we have.

			Characters switching (or abandoning) religions is a fairly common theme on the show, so I feel the "religion" section of the character infobox should be reserved for just that character's primary religion. Any other conversions are usually explained in the article anyway. I went ahead and adjusted most instances of multiple listings for other character's as well, seeing as how I really didn't know the appropriate place to start a discussion on this issue (I linked all edit summaries to here; discussion page for the template itself doesn't seem to generate much traffic), so please discuss if you disagree. - ] (]) 19:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
	That's one half of his family. Meh, I really don't care. It's a funny show that won a peabody award. ] 13:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

			== Chef ==
	It's my favorite show, hence why I am very stringent about it. Stan is also my favorite character, heh. As for it being only one-half of his family- correct. But Sharon, mauden name Sharon Kern, Kern is a mixed Brittania name as I described before. It wouldn't have any reason to be changed, neither would Marsh. Both names are easily pronouncable in English. :P
			you need to change Chef profile because he is no longer these things you have on ]
			:I've also posted the following on Chef's talf page; ].<br>

			:What should the infobox say is Chef's religion? I know he was depicted once as a Muslim (they article explains why, and that it was temporary). And for the final episode he was in the "Super Adventure Club" (which I would deem as not a religion at all, but my reasoning for it can easily be interpreted as OR, so I won't suggest discarding the idea). We have seen Chef get married in a ceremony presided over by Father Maxi, and his parents have a picture of Jesus on their wall, but as far as I can tell the show has never specifically stated what denomination of Christianity he might be. For now, I've left it vague as such, so please discuss and leave suggestions as to the best way to present this info. - ] (]) 16:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
	But it comes down to roots and name changes. It's VERY complicated. ALOT of Italians changed their names just so they could slide in. Like one of my least favorite Artists Dean Martin, and Nick Cage changed his name. But that was to prove he could make it on his own. ] 16:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

			== The Everyman? ==
	TRue again, but we have to work with the information we have. What we have points to German-English. Until an episode is done to clarify his heritage, we can only go so far.

			Stan is supposed to be South Park's everyman, right? (] (]) 04:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC))
	Oh, and Kenny has an older brother who is his biological sibling, so I'm taking that out.

			== Summary of major edit ==
	I changed his age to 8. In 914 - Bloody Mary, he says "I'm 8!" I think we've learnt in another episode that he's 9, but this is the latest proof of age we have. UPDATE: OK, 8-9 is good.

			Re: <br> '''Here we go:'''
	:In A Very Crappy Christms, we learn that Stan has black hair and blue eyes which makes him black Irish. That's by no means concrete evidence, but it does further confuse the issue of his heritage. ] 18:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

			*Slightly elaborated the lead.
	Excuse me, but blue eyes are a common thing in Germany. And I know of many Germans who have black hair. So do their descendants. And what about Wendy Testaburger? We don't know her eye colour, but we know for a fact that her hair is black. And from her name, we can easily guess that she is of Germanic descent. Please remember that not every German has blond/e hair. I have a German grandmother, and her hair was brown when she was younger.
			*Removed info about his birthday. It's sourced to a site which claims it got it from merchandise elsewhere, although I'm not sure whether such material is official canon. Either way, to my knowledge, it's never been professed as such on the show itself, so it's merely a trivial "fun fact".
			*Removed mention about his asthma. It's on his bio on the show's website, but on the show itself, it was really only mentioned once in passing, and this ailment has otherwise never come into play. Worthy of mention in the article?
			*Removed mentions of his clone and Aunt Flo, one-off characters whose descriptions in the article really don't offer any insight into the character.
			*Rearranged article into a new format, and trimmed/removed slightly OR material from "Friends and Relationships" section, and incorporated the rest into new sections.
			*Added "In other media" section. (Not "References in Pop Culture"; actual SP-related appearances in other mediums and studies on the character)
			*Removed "In-Universe" tag and added as much "real world" info I could find. I think it has to suffice for now because I've done an exhaustive search for weeks and have found little else in addition to what I've included here.<br>

			As always...please post gripes, thoughts, disagreements, suggestions, etc. Thanks. - ] (]) 01:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
	Misplaced Pages is not the place for speculation, per ] and ]. If someone can verify these claims, it would help, but as there appears to be no evidence (other than speculation), do not include such rumours in the page. Thank you. ] 18:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

			== Re: Infobox image ==
	==Grandfather being Italian==
	Please do not restore this category without a reference from one of the episodes or something. It was added by a user who added "Italian-Americans" to a bunch of fictional characters, including ]. ] 04:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

			] on the South Park Wikiproject talk page concerns this article. Some feedback there would be appreciated. Thanks. - ] (]) 18:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
	I had an English uncle who had black hair and blue eyes, so we can't really pin it down. To put him in any category is baseless.
			:]<br>]<br>Any opinions on which image should be used? - ] (]) 08:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

			== Personality & traits ==
	== Order Of Who's Oldest To Youngest Doesn't Make Sense ==

			I'm not doing a real review, but I did notice that much of the Personality section is really more about all the South Park main characters in general, rather than just Stan (specifically, the first and last paragraphs of that section describe just about all of them). The part of the section that isn't about that mostly seems to be random trivia. You might want to work on that section some before the real GA review starts. <b class="Unicode">]</b> <small><sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub></small> 21:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
	When I looked at the South Park calender and then say the articles of the four boys. it doesn't make sense how Cartman can be the 2nd oldest, Kenny be the 3rd oldest and Kyle being the youngest. I'm sure Stan is the oldest out of the boys. Remember all the boys are 9. I will use the years 1996, 1997, and 1998 as examples and take it as this year of 2006. Stan's birthday is October 19 so and he's the oldest so he would have to be born in 1996. Kenny's birthday is March 22 but his article says he's the 3rd oldest and Eric Cartman's article says his birthday is July 1st and he's the 2nd oldest. But if Kenny's the 3rd oldest that would make him born in 1998. Kyle's birthday is May 26 and if Cartman is the 2nd oldest and Kenny being the 3rd oldest that would make him born in 1998. If Kyle and Kenny are born in 1998 that would make it impossible for them to be 9. What it should be is Stan being the oldest born on October 19, 1996, Kenny being the 2nd oldest born on March 22, 1997, Kyle being the 3rd oldest born on May 26, 1997, and Cartman being the youngest born on July 1, 1997.

			:A handful of the sentences in the first paragraph indeed describes the rest of the boys ...but if it accurately describes Stan as well, I don't see the problem. The last paragraph, save for the sentence about Chef, is rather specific for Stan. The rest is there in the hopes of giving a more general aspect of Stan's personality, instead of the other three boys. I'll try to make it less trivial if it's deemed as such. - ] (]) 23:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
	== Information Of Who's Oldest To Youngest Out Of The Four Boys From The South Park Calender ==

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	I got this information from the South Park Calender.

			== SVG character images ==
	Birthdays
	If you use the cutoff date of September 1 by which all kids have to be 8 to enter 3rd grade, or 9 to enter 4th grade, then the four boys turn 9 during 3rd grade, and 10 during 4th grade. Given their birthdays in 3rd grade, the boys turn nine in this order:
	Stan - October 19
	Kenny - March 22
	Kyle - May 26
	Cartman - July 1
	If Cartman's birthday is February 4 instead of July 1, the dates are
	Stan - October 19
	Cartman - February 4
	Kenny - March 22
	Kyle - May 26
	Stan is thus the oldest of the four boys. Whether Kyle or Cartman is the youngest depends on when you believe Cartman's birthday falls. Cartman's is the only birthday we've seen so far (except for Jesus' and Grandpa Marsh's).

			Please see ] at WikiProject South Park regarding the use of hand-made SVG images vs. official images. —] (]) 20:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
	From this information Stan is the only one that we really know what spot of who's oldest to youngest out of the four boys which Stan is the oldest and that we can put in his article. Cartman's birthday could either be February 4 or July 1 so Cartman is either the 2nd oldest or the youngest which we can put in his article. Kenny is either the 2nd oldest or the 3 oldest which we can put in his article. Kyle is either the 3rd oldest or the youngest which we can put in his article. I couldn't find a site that can prove whether Cartman's birthday is February 4 or July 1.

	== ~~Stan~~ ~~Eats Meat~~ ==		== "everyman" claim ==

			I have removed the statement about him being an "everyman" character because the McLean's article cited to that effect doesn't actually say that. ] (]) 02:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
	Stan eats Meat. Some might believe, if they blank out the last few minutes of Fun With Veal, that he is a vegan now. However, if you actually watch and listen, he makes fun of the idea. Also, in the Episode "Goobacks", Stan tries to order a burger. He also eats meat on many other occasions after "Fun With Veal".
			:Wouldn't this fall under the definition of 'obvious'? Anyone got a book on character design that would show a good definition? There has to be a book with a list of archetypes. Then it would just be a matter of finding the one/s that he qualifies the most for. Google and this very site both seem to suggest that Carl Jung is a good start to look for information. It seems that the Stan, Cartman, Kyle, Kenny, and so on, represent different archetypes quite deliberately. Have the authors every strictly and explicitly defined them? There are good reasons not to. They'd effectively be retconning if they decided to not follow the archetypes that they defined. Of course in practice, many characters in fiction will naturally cross seemingly conflicting archetypes due to author style, skill, and decisions. After all, that's how new ones are created! ] (]) 06:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

			== Notability ==
	Well, so? Loads of people do that. He just beleives that baby cows should live their lives BEFORE they are eaten. --] 15:28, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

			Shouldn't all the characters be on one page? Or would this make for a big-freaking-article and thus cross over the line of reasonable size? I don't see anywhere in the discussion about why the separation is preferred but the main claim would be size. The actual information is notable but not out of context of the other characters on the show?] (]) 06:35, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
	== Mass Murderer? ==

			== Left-handed? ==
	What puts him under the category of "mass murderers?" Who did he mass murder?
	-December 30, 2006

			In “”, Stan is shown to be left-handed at timestamp 10:10-10:13, as he writes a note with his left hand while holding the phone with his right. Is this one-off, or is consistent? ] (]) 09:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
	He and Cartman were responsible for the flooding of Beaverton:
			:I doubt the creators put much stock in whether or not he was left handed.] ] 21:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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	Plus, it would make him guilty of genocide, not mass murder.- Shane

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	== Stan's Birthday ==

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	It is October 19th, not April 13th. Whoever is doing this needs to stop.-Shane <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 08:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
	:Sorry if I sound like a fool, but does anyone know what his birthday is for sure? No. Then why assume something that we don't know? --] 22:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

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	== Stan is 10 ==
	As of October 19th, 2006, Stan is 10. Stop saying he's 9.

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	He is 10 because it's past October 19th, 2006, and he was born on October 19th, 1996.

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	:He's a fictional character. He's however old the writers say he is. ] 02:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 04:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
	:If he was born in 1996, then how was he 8 in 1996? If we went by real time, Stan would actually be 19 now. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] 13:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)</small>

			== Life ==
	If we really wanted to push it, we could say this: The show started in '97, before October. He was eight then. So, he would have turned nine in '97. He would therefore turn 19 this year. However, none of this matters. He is as old as Stone and Parker want him to be. I think he is nine, but they change that all the time. Sometimes they say eight.-Shane

			Ask him how life's going ] (]) 16:13, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
	98E is correct that 8 was the last referenced age for Stan, but he has said before that he's 9. I'm not too sure if we should keep his age at 8 or include the mention that he's been 9 before. Seems like a gray area to me, I know that previous cases like this have generally gone by the most current info we have. ] 01:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

			:No.
	== Why is there a horrible picture? ==

	That idiot thing hardly qualifies as a picture. It does not show him completely, and has a stupid face. Someone please make a picture that shows him completely AND is in a SVG format. ] 23:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
	:Mmm...I think you are taking it personal. I'm not trying to express that your picture is useless. Well, actually it is, because there's an SVG images available (I've already fixed the buttons). Ans about the "idiot thing"; hahahah you are calling your image "idiot thing" because I took your image as a base for my SVG version. Another thing, this ] is a copyright violation. Look, "Permission": I allow you to use it for ANY purpose. You are not Trey Parker or Matt Stone, you can allow the use of this image, this is copyright image, but you are not the holder of the copyrights, that's why you can't even "irrevocably release all rights". In fact, it's a {{tl\|character-artwork}}. And it's a fair-use image, becuase it's a derivated work. Anyway, I'm changing the SVG image, not that it's fixed (the buttons). The last thing, the colors are different from the original version. Your image has rare blue pants. ]<sup>] • ]</sup> 01:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
	:::Folks, calm down Jesus Christ; by the way just use screenshots since they are MUCH more accurate and cannonical - I think that's the spelling apologies if I'm wrong. So I'm gonna upload some screenshots and use them....{{User\|Mr. Garrison}}
	**** I've already uploaded screenshots for the 5 boys, but if you want to upload screenshots for other characters, go right ahead. ] 00:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
	:::::I've fixed the image. Armando claimed it had buttons on Stan's coat now, but they're wasn't. --] 17:02, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

	== Age ==
	Stan is actually 8. In Bloody Mary he says he's 8, and we've seen no later proof of his age, so he must be 8. --] 19:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

	In the most recent episode, Night of the living homeless, Kyle confirms that all four of them are 9 ] 17:57, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

	:He's correct, Kyle said they were 9 in 1107. <i>"Are you homeless or homeowners?" "We're nine."</i> ] 20:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
	::Oh. Alright. I haven't seen them all, so I didn't know. --] 20:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

	== Don't change image back ==

	This account is now owned by Trey Parker. I have put a free image there now. Don't revert it, use free images over fair use images. ] 20:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

	== Stan's Asthma==
	Added:...which is bolstered by Cartman taking his inhaler as part of his settlment in the sexual harrasment case brought against Stan in #306-"Sexual Harrasment Panda".
	Watch the episode and it is quite clear.

	== religion ==

	why are all these characters given with a religion? has stan ever claimed to be a christian?· ] ] ] 12:15, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


	Does any kid ever claim to be a member of a religion? He has been brought up Catholic, attends Church, and knows many things about the bible. Until he says otherwise, we go with what has been shown. He prays to Jesus as well.
	:thats why inherently kids have no religion· ] ] ] 00:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

	But he goes to Church, a Catholic one at that. So unless he is an idiot who just randomly attends religious ceremonies, he's a catholic.

	== stan vs Kyle ==

	some assertions has been made to contrast stan and kyle. to do this properly this may need to be discussed. as to me it seems, Kyle is the one that is least influencible, will put up with nothing, and has so to say, the bigger mouth, but stan is the one with the more depth, the more adult perception, that sees things for what they are, he is the one coming up with the insightfull moral rhetoric. is this agreeable?· ] ] ] 01:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

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Stan had Astma

Cartman finds an Astma-Inhaler in a Box in Stans Room according to the episode "Sexual Herassment Panda" (about 5 minutes) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.180.67.62 (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

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Big cleanup

Article still has issues, but I did my best to resolve a few things. I removed tons of weasel wording ("perhaps", "it can be said", etc.) and a lot of personal observations and speculative statements that were unverifiable. I also deleted several pointless entries that also took up way too much space (such as the lengthy section talking about how what color shirt Stan was wearing underneath his coat in several different episodes) and extended details about what other characters did on certain occasions (this is Stan's article!). - SoSaysChappy (talk) 10:53, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Reason for revert

I've recently watched each and every single episode. I've seen nothing that offers hardcore evidence that Stan is the "leader" of the fourth grade, and the legitimacy of his placement of "third" on "the list" (from that episode) comes into question if you remember what happens during the third act. This is tricky, because it can easily be interpreted as OR but Misplaced Pages also allows some slack in allowing an episode itself as a source for articles related to the fictional character of said show. So if you remove that, all you have left is "Stan is still friends with the Goth kids", which isn't really notable enough to add as its own subsection. So I've reverted the entire subsection for now, but please discuss further and pitch ideas for how it can be expanded and improved so that it can be put back on. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 03:28, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox (Religion)

Characters switching (or abandoning) religions is a fairly common theme on the show, so I feel the "religion" section of the character infobox should be reserved for just that character's primary religion. Any other conversions are usually explained in the article anyway. I went ahead and adjusted most instances of multiple listings for other character's as well, seeing as how I really didn't know the appropriate place to start a discussion on this issue (I linked all edit summaries to here; discussion page for the template itself doesn't seem to generate much traffic), so please discuss if you disagree. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 19:31, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Chef

you need to change Chef profile because he is no longer these things you have on Chef

I've also posted the following on Chef's talf page; here.

What should the infobox say is Chef's religion? I know he was depicted once as a Muslim (they article explains why, and that it was temporary). And for the final episode he was in the "Super Adventure Club" (which I would deem as not a religion at all, but my reasoning for it can easily be interpreted as OR, so I won't suggest discarding the idea). We have seen Chef get married in a ceremony presided over by Father Maxi, and his parents have a picture of Jesus on their wall, but as far as I can tell the show has never specifically stated what denomination of Christianity he might be. For now, I've left it vague as such, so please discuss and leave suggestions as to the best way to present this info. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 16:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The Everyman?

Stan is supposed to be South Park's everyman, right? (JoeLoeb (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

Summary of major edit

Re: this edit
Here we go:

Slightly elaborated the lead.
Removed info about his birthday. It's sourced to a site which claims it got it from merchandise elsewhere, although I'm not sure whether such material is official canon. Either way, to my knowledge, it's never been professed as such on the show itself, so it's merely a trivial "fun fact".
Removed mention about his asthma. It's on his bio on the show's website, but on the show itself, it was really only mentioned once in passing, and this ailment has otherwise never come into play. Worthy of mention in the article?
Removed mentions of his clone and Aunt Flo, one-off characters whose descriptions in the article really don't offer any insight into the character.
Rearranged article into a new format, and trimmed/removed slightly OR material from "Friends and Relationships" section, and incorporated the rest into new sections.
Added "In other media" section. (Not "References in Pop Culture"; actual SP-related appearances in other mediums and studies on the character)
Removed "In-Universe" tag and added as much "real world" info I could find. I think it has to suffice for now because I've done an exhaustive search for weeks and have found little else in addition to what I've included here.

As always...please post gripes, thoughts, disagreements, suggestions, etc. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Infobox image

This discussion on the South Park Wikiproject talk page concerns this article. Some feedback there would be appreciated. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

File:StanMarsh.svg
File:StanMarsh1.svg
Any opinions on which image should be used? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 08:40, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Personality & traits

I'm not doing a real review, but I did notice that much of the Personality section is really more about all the South Park main characters in general, rather than just Stan (specifically, the first and last paragraphs of that section describe just about all of them). The part of the section that isn't about that mostly seems to be random trivia. You might want to work on that section some before the real GA review starts. rʨanaɢ /_contribs 21:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

A handful of the sentences in the first paragraph indeed describes the rest of the boys ...but if it accurately describes Stan as well, I don't see the problem. The last paragraph, save for the sentence about Chef, is rather specific for Stan. The rest is there in the hopes of giving a more general aspect of Stan's personality, instead of the other three boys. I'll try to make it less trivial if it's deemed as such. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 23:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Stan Marsh/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Will start review soon. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 16:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the refs:

Why are Maclean.ca, IslamOnline.net, Buzzle.com, Advameg, Inc, AVRev.com, Realmovienews.com, TeenHollywood.com reliable?

Digizine link seems dead.

If the YouTube video is a copyvio, you should cite wherever the original interview comes from and not link to youtube. Maybe it's an official channel for something, I don't know.

World Net Daily You may want to rethink it's use. Up to you. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 17:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

You said you're busy on my talk page. I'm in no hurry, but the quickest thing for you to do would be to just remove those refs and their associated sentences. For any you want to keep, just find me an about page that says they have editors as well as writers. I checked several of them, and they didn't have much to indicate reliability, but unfortunately I didn't make a list of the ones I checked. Anyways, no hurry, and if someone else is going to help, just direct them to this page. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 23:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

IslamOnline does indeed seem kind of "collection of blogs"-ish. The sentence stating that Cartman is the butt of fat jokes is what it references; I'm sure I can find a better source for this. The Buzzle article cites its own sources (a Knoxville newspaper and Eonline); I'll see if I can find the same info from those two. I removed the Advameg and YouTube sources, as they were additional sources to sentences already ref'ed. Realmovienews refs something that's kinda crufty...might be best to just remove this portion entirely, and try to squeeze in a bit more RW info? As for Macleans and TeenHollywood...they are both articles that contain big interviews with the creators of the character; reliable enough considering the circumstances? Ugh...Digizine link pops on and off from time to time, but this time it appears to be gone for good ...will try to find a replacement. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 02:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. Tell me when you're done, and I'll continue the review. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The interviews are fine. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Replaced two of the iffy refs, and removed the others which really weren't necessary (as well as accompanying prose/cruft in one case). - SoSaysChappy (talk) 10:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Refs look good.

"When all the boys stay over at Kenny's house, Stan seems to be the only one that doesn't bad mouth Kenny or show any discomfort which shows that Stan is probably Kenny's best friend. Kenny also considers Stan as his best friend, professing that he's one of "the best friends a guy could have" Sounds a bit WP:ORish.

Do you have a ref to back up "In this short, Stan is given his first name, and first appears as he does in the series. Stan next appeared on August 13, 1997, when South Park debuted on Comedy Central with the episode "Cartman Gets An Anal Probe"."

The really small paragraphs should be merged into larger ones.

Prose looks good.

File:StanMarsh1.svg should be scaled down to 300px wide. Same with File:SouthParkStanInRobe.jpg

That's it. Fix these issues, and you've got a GA. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

All righty...removed the OR (must've snuck in there), though did leave in the one sourced quote (from Kenny) so that a background to his relationship will all three other main characters could be established (will remove this too, if necessary). I just removed the specifics from Stan's appearance in the second short and re-worded (one can determine that his look differs from the first short from watching, but I couldn't find a decent source to verify this). Combined paragraphs and scaled down images. Cheerio! - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

That's a pass. Great job! - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Muchas gracias! - SoSaysChappy (talk) 03:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

SVG character images

Please see this discussion at WikiProject South Park regarding the use of hand-made SVG images vs. official images. —Noisalt (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

"everyman" claim

I have removed the statement about him being an "everyman" character because the McLean's article cited to that effect doesn't actually say that. Mangoe (talk) 02:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't this fall under the definition of 'obvious'? Anyone got a book on character design that would show a good definition? There has to be a book with a list of archetypes. Then it would just be a matter of finding the one/s that he qualifies the most for. Google and this very site both seem to suggest that Carl Jung is a good start to look for information. It seems that the Stan, Cartman, Kyle, Kenny, and so on, represent different archetypes quite deliberately. Have the authors every strictly and explicitly defined them? There are good reasons not to. They'd effectively be retconning if they decided to not follow the archetypes that they defined. Of course in practice, many characters in fiction will naturally cross seemingly conflicting archetypes due to author style, skill, and decisions. After all, that's how new ones are created! 71.196.246.113 (talk) 06:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Notability

Shouldn't all the characters be on one page? Or would this make for a big-freaking-article and thus cross over the line of reasonable size? I don't see anywhere in the discussion about why the separation is preferred but the main claim would be size. The actual information is notable but not out of context of the other characters on the show?71.196.246.113 (talk) 06:35, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Left-handed?

In “My future self and me”, Stan is shown to be left-handed at timestamp 10:10-10:13, as he writes a note with his left hand while holding the phone with his right. Is this one-off, or is consistent? Tuvalkin (talk) 09:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I doubt the creators put much stock in whether or not he was left handed.Comatmebro 21:11, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Life

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