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==References==
Although this is a good start for an article, it could use additional sourcing materials.] 16:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

== Just a note on external links ==

Just a note on external links: presently, it seems there's a bit of overkill (from the POV of Misplaced Pages not being a directory). If there's a way of linking to fewer sites from which all the sites can be found, it wouldn't be a bad idea to implement.

Not a major point, but I thought I'd offer something helpful after the other day. Cheers. --] <sup>(], ])</sup> 19:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


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''from VfD:''


FilkerTom has been re-included in the above article. If someone more expert in his output would help in referencing the note on him, I'd be grateful. --] <sup>(], ])</sup> 21:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
'''This nomination is no longer an implicit Del vote.''' -]] 02:41, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC) Vanity stub on a guy apparently acknowledged for one joke ] performance at a Sci-Fi convention. Deletion will enable demolition of dab structure built to accommodate this article. --]] 08:33, 2004 Sep 17 (UTC)
* '''Delete'''. I'm not convinced this, or the related pages, are notable. ] 11:38, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*<del>Delete:</del> Ad for a non-notable individual. Notice that it's one sentence and then "go to his page." And then there's the subject of ] that we shall not breach here. ] 11:39, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
**Keep rewrite. ] 13:18, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' In my opinion, the pattern that we see here of 1) a one-sentence statement and an 2) external link with 3) nothing else on the page should qualify generally for a "speedy delete." ---] 15:45, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*I hate newly-created stubs with nothing but an external link. However, I know that Tom Smith is the most notable filker among those who sit around finding rhymes for 'Saruman'. He's had national radio play and albums and such. I don't even care for the genre but I know his name. I'd suggest a trip to '''cleanup''' for this entry in the hopes that it can actually be expanded into a useful article. ] 16:19, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*Weak '''keep.''' Notable in filking circles. Current substub is pretty dire, though. ] &mdash; ] | ] 17:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
* '''Keep'''. I created the stub, hoping that other people who were more in the filk community would fill it in a bit more. Definitely not a vanity stub, though: I created it because of the "Boy and his Frog" reference in the Jim Henson article, and this led to the creation of the Pegasus Awards article. He is hardly known for "one joke performance", as Jerzy seems to think -- he's a multiple-time Pegasus winner.--] 19:12, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
::'''Please''' flesh it out some, if you can, during VfD. Some of us take pleasure in changing our votes, and mine was based as much on the one line -> link format as anything (advertising). Also, it would help if some of the non-filk stuff were there, at least for me. ] 00:28, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*Delete - more Tom Smith vanity nonsense - ]]] 19:34, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
**Keep. This is not the ] Tom Smith, by pure coincidence this Tom came up here at the same time. -- ] 07:09, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
**Ummm... how is it vanity if it was created by someone (not the subject)as a reference for another entry?--] 20:18, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
***Please read: ]. - ]]] 20:23, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
****Got it. Well, we'll see if I can get other people to come edit it with more interesting information, so it's not a single-editor stub anymore. :-)--] 21:17, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*We interrupt this process for an important Howdy.<br><br>Hi! This is Tom Smith. For what it's worth, I didn't create the page, and barely knew of its existence, and wouldn't know it was up for deletion except that someone told me. My only reason for posting this now is a little bit of good-natured self defense.<br><br>I've been writing music and performing (and filking) for about twenty years. I've got seven albums, including a brand-new one just off to the duplicator this week. Larry Niven has compared me with Tom Lehrer; Dr. Demento has featured me on the Funny Five; I wrote the official song for Talk Like A Pirate Day. I've been a guest at about a hundred conventions in the U.S., Canada, and Britain, and have (to my surprise and delight) fans around the world.<br><br>And I genuinely don't know what is meant by "more Tom Smith vanity nonsense". I have one web page to sell my albums, and another for my LiveJournal (note that I am ''not'' putting those links here); I don't spam, don't overload rec.music.filk, and don't advertise myself all over other message boards and comment sections.<br><br>If this page goes, it goes. If it stays, it stays. But I did not put it here. I don't ''need'' a vanity page. Is all I'm sayin'.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Tom


== Mandela ==
* I just cleaned up the article. What do you think now? --] 00:35, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
::It's fine now. I'll bet that if you had waited to post it until you had assembled those three high-quality sentences, it would never have come up on VfD. ] ]]] 16:36, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
::: I can't guarantee it wouldn't have been nominated by ''someone'', but it indeed wouldn't have been nominated by me, who in fact nominated it. --]] 02:41, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC)
* Notable within the filk genre. Keep. ] 00:50, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*Keep: notable in a widespread, if silly, genre. It appears that this Tom Smith is a different person from the one posting the "QIM" stuff. ] 02:17, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Seems pretty darn notable to me. I, for one, am glad to see performers like Tom Smith bringing the songs from my favourite books to life. Welcome to the Misplaced Pages Tom!. ] 08:46, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''. After another Tom Smith added his vanity link to the ] disambig page, some guy thought the other Tom Smith articles should be deleted as well!! Don't know if that has anything to do with this VfD nomination though. -- ] 11:01, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''KEEP''', there is absolutely no good reason to delete this page. -- ] 16:01, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - The page informs us who Tom Smith the filker is. Informing is what wikipedia is suppose to do! -- ] 16:19, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' in present form. Official song of "talk like a pirate day," Christine Lavin's blessing, testimony of Wikipedians who have heard him convince me of notability. Plus I have got to say that the "we interrupt this process for an important Howdy" note, neatly formatted as a bullet item, coherent and informative, is about the classiest anon comment I've ever seen in VfD. Genuinely helpful in evaluating the situation. ] ]]] 16:34, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
:*Heh. I agree. '''Keep'''. ]
*'''Keep'''. Notable. ] 15:53, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I'm pleased to have nominated it for ], now seeing the editing it produced. Dunno, maybe i shouldn't have trusted an obviously lousy article to represent the topic well. --]] 02:41, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' in this version. ] 23:08, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Included in the article on Nelson Mandela, along with the other songs inspired by this notable statesman. Being listed alongside Bob Marley can't do Tom's rep any harm!
''end moved discussion''
] 16:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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References

Although this is a good start for an article, it could use additional sourcing materials.Shsilver 16:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Just a note on external links

Just a note on external links: presently, it seems there's a bit of overkill (from the POV of Misplaced Pages not being a directory). If there's a way of linking to fewer sites from which all the sites can be found, it wouldn't be a bad idea to implement.

Not a major point, but I thought I'd offer something helpful after the other day. Cheers. --Mark H Wilkinson 19:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Cthulhu in popular culture

FilkerTom has been re-included in the above article. If someone more expert in his output would help in referencing the note on him, I'd be grateful. --Mark H Wilkinson 21:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Mandela

Included in the article on Nelson Mandela, along with the other songs inspired by this notable statesman. Being listed alongside Bob Marley can't do Tom's rep any harm! User:CalendarGrrl 16:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

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