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==Arutz Sheva as a source==
== missing in this article ==
I am confident the editors can find a better source for the claim that home demolitions are a deterrent. While this issue is contested, there must be stronger sources that argue for the deterrence theory. Whatever your personal feelings are, I advise editors to prefer the most persuasive and authoritative sources available - Arutz Sheva is not one of these. ] (])


== Clear up of old material ==
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2002/3/Passover%20suicide%20bombing%20at%20Park%20Hotel%20in%20Netanya


This very dated material (15 years old) is moved from the article here in case it should ever be of use:-
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/855852.html


According to the Israeli human rights organization ]:
various structures have been destroyed as a result of Palestinian bombings in israel - these are not yet covered in the article. ] 17:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


* From October 2001 to December 2005, Israel has demolished 668 homes as punishment, leaving 4,182 people homeless.<ref>], </ref>
:I can't see the relevence of the first link. ] 19:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
* Israel has demolished 1,746 homes for alleged military purposes since B'Tselem started keeping statistics in this category in 2004.<ref>], </ref>
* According to the UN, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF in the Rafah area in the period 2000–2004.<ref name="Israeli troops raze Rafah houses"/>


In November 2008, B'Tselem filmed an armed Israeli Policeman wearing a riot helmet headbutt a Palestinian women. The confrontation occurred during a protest, after the Jerusalem municipality destroyed two houses because it said they were built without permission.<ref name="R000666">{{cite news | first=Owen | last=Bowcott | coauthors= | title=Israeli policeman headbutts woman in Palestinian demolition clashes - Human rights group B'Tselem films violence at demonstrations as police move in to destroy 'illegal' homes | date= 2008-11-25| publisher= | url =https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/25/israelandthepalestinians | work =] | pages = | accessdate = 2008-11-25 | language = | location=London}}</ref>
::Part of a structure was demolished. but in any case there are many others examples of homes that are attcked by militants and are demolished or partly demolished. BTW. the article fail to mention that israel have stopped the pratice of demolishing homes against families of suicide bomebers. ] 07:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The first paragraph of the "Criticism and responses" section does say that the practice was discontinued in 2005. ] 13:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Zeq, do you not see the difference between the destruction of a house as a punitive measure and the destruction of a house by suicide bomb? ] 14:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
::::This article is not just about demolitions as a punitive measure. ] 00:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


===Statistics for Jerusalem===
== Deletions by Isarig ==


====Demolitions====
Isarig removed a sourced addition with the false claim that it had been discussed on the talk page. Well, it haven't but it's never to late to start so I bring it here. It is relevant to this article as it deals with house demolitions as a way to deal with the ethnic challenge. // ]
Statistics have been compiled by ICAHD recording the number of demolitions of existing houses in the two parts of Jerusalem. According to ICAHD, there are many more building violations in the western (Jewish) parts of Jerusalem, but the great majority of actual demolitions are carried out in the eastern (Palestinian) parts. ICAHD statistics on house demolitions in Jerusalem were cited in the "2005 County Reports on Human Rights Practices" by the ].<ref name="USStateDept">, ], 8 March 2006</ref> For 2004 and 2005 ICAHD's figures are as follows:
:You may want this article to describe "house demolitions as a way to deal with the ethnic challenge" - but it clearly does not. As it says in the lead: "'''House demolition ... is a controversial tactic used by the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) for counter-insurgency and other security purposes"'''. The Margalit quote is not about any of this, and this has been discussed, with your participation, in the TAlk page of this article's predecessor - ]. is a link to the relevant discussion - with your input. Your accusation that my claim that this has been discussed is false and dishonest - don't do it again. Please stop adding this irrelevant, POV-pushing quote to the article. ] 15:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::Dealing with what you describe as "ethnic challenge" (i.e. the fact that Arabs exist) does come under "other security purposed". ] 22:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It is Liftarn who described it as an '"ethnic challenge" (perhap he'll be next on your shitlist as an "Evil Zionist"(TM)). But regardles, no, it's not. ] 23:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Correct, as it say "a Palestinian home without a permit is a strategic threat" thus demolishing a house because those living there has the "wrong" ethnicity is covered by "security purposes". // ]
::::First of all , this is ICAHD's POV and phrasing, and a NPOV article shoudl not accept a partisan's claim as fact. More importantly, a "strategic threat" is not the same as "security purposes". The US faces a "strategic threat" of the Euro replacing the Dollar as the main currency for international commerce but steps that the Federal Reserve may take to remedy this would not be "security measures", would not be considered an act of the US armed forces, etc... ] 14:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::That is an interesting interpretation, but I've never heard it before, so unless there is a wider discussion framing it in these terms, Margalit is talking about something else which doesn't belong. <font style="color:#22AA00;">''']'''</font><font style="color:#888888;"><sup>]</sup></font> 07:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


{| class="wikitable"
::: How can you possibly interpret it that way? The quote is from a report on house demolitions so if it somehow "doesn't belong" then the framing is wrong rather than the quote. Btw, the article is about "the use of house demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" so it clearly belongs as it's about house demolitions as a part of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. // ]
|-
::::No, the article is about a "controversial tactic used by the Israeli Defence Forces" . It is not at all about civil demolitions of houses constructed w/o permit, no matter how desperately you or ICAHD want to conflate the two. ] 14:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
| style="visibility: hidden;" |
! style="background:#efef77;" colspan="2" | 2004
! style="background:#77efef;" colspan="2" | 2005
|-
| style="visibility: hidden;" |
! style="background:#efef77;" | West Jerusalem
! style="background:#efef77;" | East Jerusalem
! style="background:#77efef;" | West Jerusalem
! style="background:#77efef;" | East Jerusalem
|-
| '''Infractions'''
| 5583
| 1386
| 5653
| 1272
|-
| '''Charges filed'''
| 980 (18%)
| 780 (56%)
| 1529 (27%)
| 857 (67%)
|-
| '''Administrative demolishing orders'''
| 50
| 216
| approximately 40
| approximately 80
|-
| '''Demolitions'''
| 13 (0.2%)
| 114 (8.2%)
| 26 (0.45%)
| 76 (5.97%)
|}
ICAHD's report<ref name="Icahd"/> further claims that building inspectors record only a small proportion of the infractions in West Jerusalem (usually illegal extensions or porches), and say that no entire residential building in the Western section has ever received demolition orders or been demolished. ICAHD claims that: "The Jerusalem Municipality expropriates land, prevents preparation of a town planning scheme for Palestinian neighborhoods, and refuses to grant building permits, causing a severe housing shortage, forcing residents to build without a permit, after which the Ministry of Interior and the Municipality demolish the houses, so the residents move into homes outside the city, and then the Ministry of Interior revokes their residency and banishes them from the city forever".<ref name="Beit"> {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20070524005506/http://www.icahd.org/eng/articles.asp?menu=6&submenu=5&story=32 |date=2007-05-24 }} ICAHD, Oct. 2, 2003</ref>


ICAHD's conclusions have been disputed by the Israeli ], who argue on their website that the larger number of Palestinian demolitions is simply because many more Palestinian homes have been built illegally. They claim to have "document a pattern of {{Sic|hide=y|politically|-}}motivated behavior and criminal profiteering that characterizes much of the construction in the Arab sector of the Holy City",<ref name="JCPA"/> notwithstanding the punitive house demolitions, which have been effective as a ] against ] by means of a 'significant decrease' Palestinian terrorists attacks.<ref name=EffectfulTerroristsHomeDemolitions />
::::: The article is about house demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict even if you want to narrow the scope to exclude the majority of the house demolitions. // ]
::::::No, it's not. You might want it to be, and it migh be in the future, but right now, it is not, and won't be, until consensus for such an expansion is reached here. For the thrid time, the article's lede expalins what it is about: "House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict '''is a controversial tactic used by the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) for counter-insurgency and other security purposes''' in the Israeli-occupied territories. Although it is justified by the IDF as a deterrent against terrorism, its effectiveness and legality has repeatedly been questioned by human rights groups." ] 14:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Yes, it is. Notice what it says in large letters above, "House demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict". // ]
::::::::The scope of this article is military and security actions. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 15:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::(e/c) The editorial decision to include so much material about the permit demolitions in an article that purports to be about military/counter-insurgency/security purposes is POV. As I say below, I think the easy solution is merely to expressly expand the scope of the article. ]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 14:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


====Permits====
::::::: See below. And demolitions based on security purposes (like that the building was built y someone with the "wrong" ethnicity) is valid. // ]
Statistics quoted by ]<ref name="Camera"/> and ]:<ref name="Fmep"> {{webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20080511230135/http://www.fmep.org/settlement_info/stats_data/jerusalem/building_permits_2001.html |date=2008-05-11 }} FMEP, 2001</ref>
::::::::Zoning and planning issues, or allegations of discrimination, belong in other articles. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 15:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::In 'which' other articles? ] 17:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::The ] is one such article, delaing with allegations of discrimination. ] 18:13, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


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! style="background:#efefef;" colspan="2" | 2001<ref name="Fmep"/>
! style="background:#ef77ef;" colspan="2" | 2003<ref name="Camera"/>
! style="background:#efef77;" colspan="2" | 2004<ref name="Camera"/>
! style="background:#77efef;" colspan="2" | 2005<ref name="Camera"/>
|-
| style="visibility: hidden;" |
! style="background:#efefef;" | West Jerusalem
! style="background:#efefef;" | East Jerusalem
! style="background:#ef77ef;" | West Jerusalem
! style="background:#ef77ef;" | East Jerusalem
! style="background:#efef77;" | West Jerusalem
! style="background:#efef77;" | East Jerusalem
! style="background:#77efef;" | West Jerusalem
! style="background:#77efef;" | East Jerusalem
|-
| '''Permits requested'''
| 1519
| 219
| 1719
| 138
| 2079
| 224
| 2256
| 265
|-
| '''Permits approved'''
| 1087
| 191
| 1425
| 118
| 1579
| 116
| 1717
| 135
|-
| '''Ratio'''
| 72%
| 87%
| 83%
| 85%
| 76%
| 52%
| 76%
| 53%
|}


Though the statistics do not show the nationality of the permit requestee nor the nationality of the land owner, CAMERA argues that these figures show that the denial of permits to Arabs and Jews is not based on the ethnicity of the applicant, but instead is generally meant to uphold Israeli master plans and building codes.<ref name="Camera"> CAMERA, February, 2007</ref>
] removed a large section of the article with the comment "this article is not about demolition of houses built w/o permit by civil authorities". But Isarig does not ] this article so his opinion on what should be excluded from this article is not necessarily the last word on the matter. And his opinion here is unreasonable, as Israel routinely denies building permits to Arabs as a result the majority of buildings built in the Arab sector are built without permits. The subsequent wholesale demolition of Arab buildings by the Israeli authorities on the grounds that they have no permits is part of Israel's conflict with the Arabs living under its rule and merits inclusion in the article. ] 22:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: I obviously don't own the article - WP works by consensus. Get consensus for the inclusion of this material, and it stays. Fail to get consensus, and it's out. So far in addition to me, editors Jayjg, Humus sapiens and Tewfik have expressed similar objections, and nadav has called the repeated attempts to include this material "POV", so it appears that you not only don't have consensus for including this material, but a majority of editors oppose it. ] 22:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


In contrast, Amnesty International highlight in these figures the small number of Palestinian permit requests (only about 10 percent of the Israeli requests), and argue that this is indicative of the tiny (and ever-shrinking) percentage of land that the Palestinians have available for their use.<ref name="Amnesty-theft"/> In 2008 Nicoletta Dimova wrote in the ] that "today, the city's Palestinians are only allowed to build on about 9% of the 17,600 acres of land comprising East Jerusalem",<ref name="Dimova"> ], 2008</ref> the remainder having been expropriated by Israeli authorities for use by Israeli settlers or as land where Israel currently permits no construction.
::Yes I know that there are a group of Zionist editors who can always be relied on to attempt to censor anything which they feel does not paint Israel in a favourable light. This is not new. And it is not convincing. ] 22:56, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Your repeated allegations that your edits are being reverted by group of Zionist editors censoring information, alongside blatant POV pushing edits such as reflect badly on you. Please stop it and start contributing porductively to the project. ] 23:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


{{Reflist-talk}}
== Rename and refocus article ==
I suggest we rename this article "House demolition in Israel and the Palestinian territories" to get away from the POV problem. That way we can be free to discuss any demolitions we want without implicitly making the POV claim that Israel demolishes Arab homes for being threats to its national character. We would be able to include explicit discussion of this POV as well as the contrary opinions. ]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 00:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


== Detached sentence in the "In favour" section ==
: I think such a name would make it unfocused. It is intended to be about house demolition in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, not generally about any house demolition in a specific geographic area, i.e. it's about context, not geography. // ]
::Demolishing a house built without a permit is not part of the "conflict". Perhaps we should include the Israeli demolition of houses in various settlements as well? A few thousand were demolished as part of ], and wildcat settlements are regularly destroyed as well. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 15:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


In the list in the ''In favour'' section of ''Justification and criticism'', it currently states:
::: Good point. Perhaps scorched earth destruction of houses also should be included. First denying building permits and then demolishing the house ''as part of the conflict'' may be included. // ]


''"The following types are labeled as "precautionary demolitions" by Benmelech, Berrebi and Klor, however punishing they may feel to the impacted families."''
::::Also, Israel regularly destroys Israeli homes in every Israeli city and town, under various laughable excuses, such as "being demolished to make way for new residences" etc. We need to get the records of the various municipal offices in charge of this, to start documenting these pathetic covers for conflict demolitions. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 16:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


Tha sentence seems detached:
::::: If Israeli homes would have been demolished by the Palestinian authorities on flimsy excuses then it would have made a good addition to the article. Just find sources before you add it. Good luck. // ]
::::::Why should we limit ourselves? why should we look only at hypothetical demolitions by Palestinian authorities, when there are plentiful demolitions of Israeli homes by Israeli authorities? ] 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:It'd be an excellent idea to rename this article, since a lot that has happened (eg demolitions in Jerusalem and the Negev) have virtually nothing to do with "conflict".
:However, there is one small problem. Israel has carried out ]s outside it's own territory, and outside territory it occupied - is it possible to somehow include these examples too?. Here are a couple of edits I had intended to make:
:===1966 Samu===
:] was a small village (population 4,000) in Jordan (now the West Bank) which was attacked by 4,000 Israeli soldiers in jeeps, personnel carriers and five Patton tanks. They demolished 46 houses and the mosque, apparently in retaliation for the placing within Israel of a mine which had killed 3 Israeli soldiers.<ref> Time Magazine, 25th Nov 1966. Accessed 23rd June 2007</ref> The Israelis waited for Jordanian troops to arrive and killed 16, including the pilot of an elderly jet. Three civilians were killed and 96 wounded. The Israeli battalion commander was killed, and ten Israeli soldiers wounded.
:Special Assistant Komer wrote to President Johnson after this incident that he had told (Israeli) Ambassador Harman "fully understood Israel's problems, but that use of force was dubious at best and use of such disproportionate force--against Jordan to boot--was folly indeed. It undermined the whole US effort to maintain Jordanian stability, which was so much in Israel's own interest that Israel's action was almost incomprehensible."
:For the 40th anniversary of the ], a UN observer came forward to describe what he'd experienced. Dutchman Colonel (ret.) Jan Mühren told the Dutch current affairs program Nova that Israel provoked most border incidents as part of a strategy to annex more land.<ref>: former Dutch UN observer - text and video link to Dutch current affairs program Nova on 4th June 1967. Accessed 20 Jun 2007</ref> He tells how Samu (indeed, the entire West Bank) had nothing to do with attacks on Israel "only western officers operated here and we did patrols". Moshe Dayan confirmed that Israel had provoked 80% of incidents preceding the 1967 Israeli attack, and the Dutch television program includes a clip of Israeli journalist Rami Tal describing the interview (the contents of which were not made public until after Dayan's death).
:===1956 Qibya===
:] was a village in Jordan (now the West Bank). ], then commander of Unit 101, equipped his men with 600kgs of explosives and they blew up 45 houses with the death of 69 civilians, mostly women and children crushed in the rubble<ref> to Prime Minister of Israel. Accessed 22nd June 2007</ref> This incident was in retaliation for the killing of 3 Israelis within Israel, but no evidence the intruders had used the village was ever presented.
<references/>
:] 18:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


* What "following types"?
::Both incidents (Qibya, Samu) have their own WP articles (written in a much more NPOV and better refernced than your suggestion above, BTW). If the article's scope is expanded, we may include a pointer to these articles, or a "See Also" list. ] 22:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
* Who are Benmelech, Berrebi and Klor? - A bit if googling suggests their common trait is being scholars; if that's the point, it should be in the sentence.
:::They're famous mass house demolitions by the Israeli military and a quick recount of the major details is necessary in this article. Qibya, at any rate, was and is universally recognised as an atrocity. I'm not aware we give the perpetrator any "right to reply" in these cases - or can you show us examples in any other region where we do so? ] 13:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


Overall, I think the sentence doesn't provide value in the article, but causes confusion; so I suggest we remove the item from the "In favour" list.
'''Oppose''' the renaming of the article. The vast majority of sources addressing the topic '''a)''' treat it as part of the I/P conflict, '''b)''' describe the demolitions citing security and the demolitions citing lack of permit as part of the same phenomenon, and '''c)''' do not address odd instances of demolition of homes of Israeli Jews or Bedouin. The reliable sources have defined the parameters and the purview of the subject. ] by Wikipedians violates ] and ].--] 16:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:This article covers house demolitions for military purposes; I don't see the sources used here discussing it in other contexts. How did you decide that a "majority" of sources did so? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 17:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
] (]) ] (]) 11:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
::By actually reading them instead of indulging in I-feel-lucky bluffs and guesses about their contents. The only sources of ours who ''do not'' fit my description are those that are either '''a)''' reports focusing on a specific instance (such as the Human Rights Watch report "IDF House Demolition Injures Refugees" about a demolition in Gaza), '''b)''' general sources addressing the legal context of the Israeli occupation rather than demolitions per se, or '''c)''' partisan/propaganda tracts such as ''Right to Exist: A Moral Defense of Israel's Wars'', which don't belong here anyway because they're written by non-experts and touch only glancingly and rhetorically on the topic at hand. I'm hoping you'll self-revert; it will be a more pleasant means to an inevitable end.--] 18:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:IT refers to the following bullet points, which I have indented a level to clarify this. All the best: ''] ]''<small> 13:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC).</small><br />
:::Wait, you've just listed a whole bunch of sources that don't actually refer to "demographic demolitions". Which ones specifically deal that that topic, then? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 18:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:You call my idea gerrymandering, POV, and OR?! The intent of my suggestion was to make extended coverage of civil Palestinian home demolitions uncontroversially relevant to the article. And I believe you are misinformed about the Negev Bedouin land issue. ]&nbsp;<small>(])</small> 19:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
==Removed from criticism section==
::I agree that G-Dett may be misinformed about the Negev house demolitions. 100s have been carried out recently eg , and I think the Israeli minister responsible said he wants to demolish 42,000, leaving the inhabitants with nothing. ] 21:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
"According to the UN, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF <s>just</s> in the Rafah area in the period 2000–2004.<ref name="Israeli troops raze Rafah houses">{{cite news | url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3557804.stm | work=BBC News | title=Israeli troops raze Rafah houses | date=2004-08-12 | access-date=2010-05-04 | archive-date=2022-03-18 | archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220318204150/http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3557804.stm | url-status=live }}</ref>"
{{Reflist}}

This, if needed, should go in the history section, which is currently a terrible mess. The word "just" should be removed, these types of weasel words are a plague on articles of this type.

All the best: ''] ]''<small> 13:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC).</small><br />

== edit request ==

change:
Israel blew up 103 houses in 1987
to:
Israel demolished 103 houses in 1987 ] (]) 09:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
: {{done}} Probably many were done by bulldozer rather than explosives. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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Arutz Sheva as a source

I am confident the editors can find a better source for the claim that home demolitions are a deterrent. While this issue is contested, there must be stronger sources that argue for the deterrence theory. Whatever your personal feelings are, I advise editors to prefer the most persuasive and authoritative sources available - Arutz Sheva is not one of these. Seraphimsystem (talk)

Clear up of old material

This very dated material (15 years old) is moved from the article here in case it should ever be of use:-

According to the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem:

  • From October 2001 to December 2005, Israel has demolished 668 homes as punishment, leaving 4,182 people homeless.
  • Israel has demolished 1,746 homes for alleged military purposes since B'Tselem started keeping statistics in this category in 2004.
  • According to the UN, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF in the Rafah area in the period 2000–2004.

In November 2008, B'Tselem filmed an armed Israeli Policeman wearing a riot helmet headbutt a Palestinian women. The confrontation occurred during a protest, after the Jerusalem municipality destroyed two houses because it said they were built without permission.

Statistics for Jerusalem

Demolitions

Statistics have been compiled by ICAHD recording the number of demolitions of existing houses in the two parts of Jerusalem. According to ICAHD, there are many more building violations in the western (Jewish) parts of Jerusalem, but the great majority of actual demolitions are carried out in the eastern (Palestinian) parts. ICAHD statistics on house demolitions in Jerusalem were cited in the "2005 County Reports on Human Rights Practices" by the United States Department of State. For 2004 and 2005 ICAHD's figures are as follows:

2004 2005
West Jerusalem East Jerusalem West Jerusalem East Jerusalem
Infractions 5583 1386 5653 1272
Charges filed 980 (18%) 780 (56%) 1529 (27%) 857 (67%)
Administrative demolishing orders 50 216 approximately 40 approximately 80
Demolitions 13 (0.2%) 114 (8.2%) 26 (0.45%) 76 (5.97%)

ICAHD's report further claims that building inspectors record only a small proportion of the infractions in West Jerusalem (usually illegal extensions or porches), and say that no entire residential building in the Western section has ever received demolition orders or been demolished. ICAHD claims that: "The Jerusalem Municipality expropriates land, prevents preparation of a town planning scheme for Palestinian neighborhoods, and refuses to grant building permits, causing a severe housing shortage, forcing residents to build without a permit, after which the Ministry of Interior and the Municipality demolish the houses, so the residents move into homes outside the city, and then the Ministry of Interior revokes their residency and banishes them from the city forever".

ICAHD's conclusions have been disputed by the Israeli Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, who argue on their website that the larger number of Palestinian demolitions is simply because many more Palestinian homes have been built illegally. They claim to have "document a pattern of politically-motivated behavior and criminal profiteering that characterizes much of the construction in the Arab sector of the Holy City", notwithstanding the punitive house demolitions, which have been effective as a deterrent against terrorism by means of a 'significant decrease' Palestinian terrorists attacks.

Permits

Statistics quoted by CAMERA and FMEP:

2001 2003 2004 2005
West Jerusalem East Jerusalem West Jerusalem East Jerusalem West Jerusalem East Jerusalem West Jerusalem East Jerusalem
Permits requested 1519 219 1719 138 2079 224 2256 265
Permits approved 1087 191 1425 118 1579 116 1717 135
Ratio 72% 87% 83% 85% 76% 52% 76% 53%

Though the statistics do not show the nationality of the permit requestee nor the nationality of the land owner, CAMERA argues that these figures show that the denial of permits to Arabs and Jews is not based on the ethnicity of the applicant, but instead is generally meant to uphold Israeli master plans and building codes.

In contrast, Amnesty International highlight in these figures the small number of Palestinian permit requests (only about 10 percent of the Israeli requests), and argue that this is indicative of the tiny (and ever-shrinking) percentage of land that the Palestinians have available for their use. In 2008 Nicoletta Dimova wrote in the Palestine-Israel Journal that "today, the city's Palestinians are only allowed to build on about 9% of the 17,600 acres of land comprising East Jerusalem", the remainder having been expropriated by Israeli authorities for use by Israeli settlers or as land where Israel currently permits no construction.

References

  1. B'Tselem, B'Tselem - House demolitions as punishment - Statistics:
  2. B'Tselem, B'Tselem - Demolition for Alleged Military Purposes - Statistics:
  3. Cite error: The named reference Israeli troops raze Rafah houses was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. Bowcott, Owen (2008-11-25). "Israeli policeman headbutts woman in Palestinian demolition clashes - Human rights group B'Tselem films violence at demonstrations as police move in to destroy 'illegal' homes". The Guardian. London. Retrieved 2008-11-25. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)
  5. 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, Israel and the occupied territories, United States Department of State, 8 March 2006
  6. Cite error: The named reference Icahd was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  7. Chronology of Permit Applications, Demolitions & Rebuilding Archived 2007-05-24 at the Wayback Machine ICAHD, Oct. 2, 2003
  8. Cite error: The named reference JCPA was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. Cite error: The named reference EffectfulTerroristsHomeDemolitions was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  10. ^ Washington Post Watch CAMERA, February, 2007
  11. ^ Building Permits Issued in Jerusalem Archived 2008-05-11 at the Wayback Machine FMEP, 2001
  12. Cite error: The named reference Amnesty-theft was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  13. When Ideology Leads to Destruction: Home Demolitions in East Jerusalem Palestine-Israel Journal, 2008

Detached sentence in the "In favour" section

In the list in the In favour section of Justification and criticism, it currently states:

"The following types are labeled as "precautionary demolitions" by Benmelech, Berrebi and Klor, however punishing they may feel to the impacted families."

Tha sentence seems detached:

  • What "following types"?
  • Who are Benmelech, Berrebi and Klor? - A bit if googling suggests their common trait is being scholars; if that's the point, it should be in the sentence.

Overall, I think the sentence doesn't provide value in the article, but causes confusion; so I suggest we remove the item from the "In favour" list.

Troels Arvin (talk) Troels Arvin (talk) 11:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

IT refers to the following bullet points, which I have indented a level to clarify this. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC).

Removed from criticism section

"According to the UN, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF just in the Rafah area in the period 2000–2004."

  1. "Israeli troops raze Rafah houses". BBC News. 2004-08-12. Archived from the original on 2022-03-18. Retrieved 2010-05-04.

This, if needed, should go in the history section, which is currently a terrible mess. The word "just" should be removed, these types of weasel words are a plague on articles of this type.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC).

edit request

change: Israel blew up 103 houses in 1987 to: Israel demolished 103 houses in 1987 79.176.174.2 (talk) 09:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Probably many were done by bulldozer rather than explosives. Zero 10:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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