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'']'', a documentary film by ] about the health-care system in the ], generated heated public debate about its content and Moore's methods before and during its release. | |||
The political controversy over its content included numerous articles by journalists and commentators associated with major American newspapers and magazines, including multiple articles in '']'' and '']'' newspapers, '']'' magazine, and articles in the magazines or Web sites of such publications as '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'' magazine and '']''. | |||
Several commentators and some newspaper and magazine articles have pointed out that Moore courts controversy and benefits from the resulting publicity. | |||
Kevin Drum, writing in a blog at the Web site of '']'', commented: "It's true that I wish Michael Moore were a wee bit more scrupulous with the facts in his films, but I sometimes wonder if he doesn't insert random distortions into his movies deliberately. But the end result is the kind of publicity money can't buy, and it's the sweetest kind of publicity of all: the kind that's subsidized by his enemies, who helpfully boost ticket sales by furiously denouncing his films for weeks on end. | |||
Really, Moore's brilliance at getting his mortal enemies to do all his publicity for him is unparallelled. His enemies' willingness to go along with this time after time is astonishing."<ref>Drum, Kevin, post in his "Political Animal" blog at '']'' Web site, dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
== Treasury Department probe == | |||
In a ], ] letter, the ] informed Moore that he was the subject of a civil investigation stemming from the filmmaker's March trip to a toy store in Cuba, to buy ] for his daughter. In the letter to Moore, a Treasury official noted that the department had no record of Moore obtaining a license that authorized him to "engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba," alleging that Moore violated the ].<ref name = "investigation"> {{cite web | |||
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A duplicate master copy of the film is being held in Canada in case American authorities attempt to seize the film as part of the criminal investigation against Moore that arose from taking American 9/11 rescue workers to Cuba for medical treatment.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN1119539820070611 | publisher=Reuters | title=Moore fears film seizure after Cuba trip | work=www.reuters.com | accessdate=2007-07-11}}</ref> | |||
== Piracy == | |||
{{wikinews|Michael Moore's new film 'Sicko' leaked via P2P}} | |||
Although the film is scheduled to be released on ] ], the film was leaked onto the internet in early to mid June 2007.<ref name="youtubepirated">{{cite news | |||
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| title =Pirated "Sicko" surfaces on YouTube | |||
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| accessdate = 2007-06-18 }}</ref> Moore, who previously stated his support for internet downloading, denies leaking the video himself and an investigation has been held as to the source of the internet leak. | |||
==Controversy over content of the film == | |||
The political controversy over its content included numerous articles by journalists and commentators associated with major American newspapers and magazines, including multiple articles in '']'' and '']'' newspapers, '']'' magazine, and articles in the magazines or Web sites of such publications as '']'', '']'', '']'', '']'' magazine and '']''. | |||
Shortly before ''Sicko'' opened, Moore said he is scrupulous about accuracy, both in past productions and in this movie: "I make sure that all of the facts in my movie are absolutely 100 percent true," Moore told National Public Radio. "And I'm very, very concerned about that, because I want people to listen to my opinion.<ref>Masters, Kim, article/news segment titled "Michael Moore's 'Sicko' Flogs U.S. Health Care", Web site of ], dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> Moore also told '']'' staff reporter Mark Rahner that one of the reasons he "rarely if ever" gets sued is because "I have a team of fact-checkers that come in, I have a team of lawyers then that tear the film apart."<ref>{{cite news |last=Rahner|first=Mark|url=http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2003762133_michaelmoore26.html|title=New Michael Moore film takes on the health-care system|publisher=The Seattle Times|date=2007-06-26 |accessdate=2007-06-29}}</ref> | |||
===Description of Cuban health-care system=== | |||
Kyle Smith, a '']'' film critic, wrote that Moore asserts he asked Cuban officials to give his group exactly the same care that a Cuban would receive, "and that’s exactly what they got". Smith writes that Moore treats the ] with kid gloves, although he's capable of taking a hard look at American officials: "You can’t film anywhere in Castro’s Alcatraz without government say-so, meaning the whole scene was as phony as what happens when ] walks into a four-star restaurant, Moore solemnly reports Cuba’s official health statistics, which are of course a fiction Moore's motto is to trust no authority figure from cringing corporate spokesman on up to Washington windbags. Except dictators. Dictators, he’ll take your word for it."<ref name=ksmith>Smith, Kyle (movie reviewer for ''The New York Post''), "Kyle Smith on Michael Moore's 'Sicko'" entry at (unnamed) movie blog at the '']'' Web site, dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
], editor of '']'' wrote in his syndicated column that Moore whitewashes the ], describing it as better than ]<ref>Lowry, Rich, "Sicko: Michael Moore's sickness.", reprint of his syndicated column at National Review Online Web site, ], ], accessed ], ]</ref>, although "According to a 2004 story in the Canadian '']'': 'Hospitals are falling apart, surgeons lack basic supplies and must reuse latex gloves. Patients must buy their sutures on the black market and provide bed sheets and food for extended hospital stays.'"<ref></ref> | |||
The World Health Organisation which Moore states ranked the United States' health care system at 37th, ranked Cuba's health care system at 39th.<ref>World Health Organisation. Health system attainment and performance in all Member States, ranked by eight measures</ref> | |||
In an interview with '']'', Moore states "I’m not trumpeting ] or his regime. I just want to say to fellow Americans, "C’mon, we’re the United States! If they can we can do it."<ref name="pnhpsickotime">{{cite news|last=|first=|title=Moore in The E.R.|publisher=pnhp.org|date=2007-05-17|url=http://www.pnhp.org/news/2007/may/moore_in_the_er.php|accessdate=2007-05-24}}</ref> ] is also referred to as a "dictator" in the film. | |||
A '']'' reporter wrote that in Moore's descriptions of other nations' health care systems, "Never is heard a discouraging word about any of them. Typical unbalanced Moore. That he may be promoting a Potemkin Village in Havana for Fidel Castro bothers Moore not a whit."<ref name=globe>Allis, Sam, "Under the knife / Michael Moore says he's a changed man in 'Sicko,' his new documentary about the state of health care in the United States", article in '']'', dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
Moore told the ''Globe'' reporter, "If we went to Columbia Presbyterian, they're going to roll out the best doctors, take us to the best floor. And if we went to Pfizer, they're going to show their best face, too. What's the difference between what Pfizer does and what Castro does? We get P.R.'d all the time."<ref name=globe/> | |||
===Description of other nations' health-care systems=== | |||
Smith criticizes Moore for presenting health care systems in Canada, Britain and France with the same uncritical attitude the filmmaker took with Cuba, despite the fact that there are significant criticisms of those systems within their own countries.<ref name=ksmith/> According to Scott, Moore's descriptions of health care in other nations have "a bit of theatrical faux-naïveté", and "the utopian picture of France in “Sicko” may be overstated", but Scott dismisses the problem by saying a filmmaker praised in Cannes would naturally be pro-French.<ref name=scott>Scott, A.O., "Open Wide and Say ‘Shame’", film review, '']'', ], ]</ref> | |||
Some ] critics did not like Michael Moore's glamorizing the ] system.<ref>{{cite web | url=http://www.thestar.com/artsentertainment/article/215801 | title=Canadian media needle Sicko | publisher=The Toronto Star | accessdate=2007-05-24}}</ref> Peter Howell, in '']'', wrote: "Sicko makes it seem as if Canada's socialized medicine is flawless and that Canadians are satisfied with the status quo." Howell wrote that he and other Canadian journalists criticized Moore for inaccurately contending that Canadians only had to wait for minutes for health care, rather than much longer waiting periods. <ref name=phowell>Howell, Peter, "Canadian media needle Sicko: Moore's health-care film gets rough reception" article in '']'', ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
Michael C. Moynihan, an editor at the ] '']'' magazine, writes that while Moore presents other nations' health-care systems as close to perfect, they and other systems have many of the same problems as in the United States. He cites anecdotal examples that he says rival and parallel the examples presented by Moore: a Swedish parent whose government-run health-care system refused to put cochlear implants in both ears of her child, a German man<ref>Moynihan cites a , Goteborg Posten, apparently run by a German newspaper, accessed ], ]</ref> who couldn't get his national health-care system to approve surgery for a brain tumor — and if he hadn't paid for it himself instead of continuing to wait, his doctor says the man would have died. London's ], featured in the movie, was pressured by health officials to limit the number of patients treated in order to cut costs, a problem that isn't anomalous in Britain, where the government has promised to cut down waiting periods — down to 18 weeks.<ref>Moynihan cites this article: "Tories will offer doctors and nurses more power, but pay cuts if they fail" in '']'' newspaper, dated ], ] ("the Government's commitment to reduce waiting times to 18 weeks by the end of next year ."), accessed ], ]</ref> "Such examples suggest that Moore's depiction of European-style medicine as an easy panacea for America's problems is rather more complicated than presented. Massive queues and cash shortages have plagued all of the systems profiled—and celebrated—in Sicko."<ref name=mcm>Moynihan, Michael C., "Michael Moore's Shticko: | |||
His health care jeremiad won't win any converts", article at ''ReasonOnline'' Web site of '']'' magazine (it is unclear from the Web site whether the article is in the magazine), ], ], accessed same day</ref> | |||
Jonathan Cohn, writing in '']'', agrees that Moore wrongly downplays the waiting lines that the British and Canadian systems "really do have", but he points out that the French not only don't have waiting lines, yet have an insurance system that "allows free choice of doctor and offers highly advanced medical care to those who need it." Although the French pay a lot for their health-care system (paying more in taxes and less in private insurance than Americans do, overall), their national health-care costs are still ultimately less than those of the United States.<ref name=jcohn>Cohn, Jonathan, "It's no fun to agree with Michael Moore / Shticko", article in '']'' magazine, ], ] issue, posted on the Web site on ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
Moore said the wait for service in Canada is, on average, a few weeks. "I'd be willing to wait a couple of weeks," he said during a stop in Colorado on a publicity tour for the movie. "Statistics Canada, which is the governmental statistics office in Ottawa will tell you the following: there is a four-week wait in Canada to see specialist. There's a three-week wait for diagnostic testing. And there's a four-week wait for elective surgery."<ref>Web page titled, "Michael Moore Pushes 'Sicko' During Denver Visit / Raj Chohan Reporting" at CBS4Denver Web site of KCNC-TV, dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref>. <ref>2007 Canada Health Council report section on Wait Times</ref> | |||
===American health-care system=== | |||
Many of Moore's harshest critics agree with him that the health-care system in the United States has deep problems, and that agreement is widespread among those, such as A. O. Scott and Peter Howell<ref name=phowell/>, who comment on the movie from less critical or supportive perspectives. Kyle Smith agrees with it<ref name=ksmith/>, as does Moynihan<ref name=mcm/>. | |||
Jonathan Cohn, author of ''Sick'', a book on the U.S. health-care system, wrote in '']'' that Moore's indictment of the system rings true overall. He disputed Moore on some points, however, including the case of Tracy Pierce, who died of kidney disease after his insurer refused to pay for an experimental treatment. The insurer may well have been correct, Cohn said. In the 1990s, HMOs were criticized for similarly denying bone-marrow transplants to people with breast cancer, but years later studies showed the treatments seldom actually worked. "Would the bone-marrow transplant denied to Pierce have made a difference? It seems unlikely. Experts told me that the treatment never made it past the experimental phase because of ineffectiveness and harmful side-effects."<ref name=jcohn/> | |||
==Moore's methods== | |||
"any of the major pieces of evidence are ones that have been widely reported elsewhere and in some cases date back 20 years," according to ''].<ref name=mflk>Freudenheim, Milt and Klaussmann, Liza, "Film Offers New Talking Points in Health Care Debate", news article in '']'', ], ]</ref> | |||
===Criticism: Not enough detail, not fair=== | |||
Moore has been criticized and praised for the way he reports and presents his argument in the film. | |||
Moore was criticized over the way he marshals evidence. '']'' film critic ], in a generally positive description of the movie, wrote: "There are no policy wonks, crunching numbers and saying soberly how much a national health care plan would cost U.S. citizens. In a 2hr. movie, Moore could have taken a couple mins. to tote up the expected tab."<ref>Corliss, Roger, "''Sicko'' is Socko", article at ''Time'' magazine Web site, dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
Moynihan comments, "Moore's specific policy prescriptions are impossible to find. Without them, he ends up urging viewers to just let the government run the damn thing."<ref name=mcm/> | |||
===Defense: Film works on a simpler, emotional level=== | |||
If the movie would fail as a policy proposal, several prominent commentators have said, it was not meant to be one and instead succeeds by making its general moral point so well. | |||
Scott points out that Moore does present some statistics ("grim actuarial data about life expectancy and infant mortality; damning tallies of dollars donated to political campaigns") along with anecdotes. The film doesn't make a detailed case for a socialized system to replace it, he writes. "'Sicko' is not a fine-grained analysis of policy alternatives. This film presents, instead, a simple compare-and-contrast exercise. Here is our way, and here is another way " Scott applauds Moore for "insisting that such a system should exist, and also, rather ingeniously, daring his critics to explain why it shouldn’t."<ref name=scott/> | |||
Ezra Klein, writing on the Web site of '']'', says that the power of the movie is not in its accuracy or even in its overall description of the various national health-care systems but rather in emotionally confronting the viewer with the problems with the American system and the need to (somehow) make it more humane: "Is this an accurate representation of the Cuban health care system?" Klein asks at one point. "Of course not. It's an attempt to shame us into caring for our own. Every story, every tale, every vignette asks the same question: "Who are we?" And most of all, who are we to have let national pride blind us to these better alternatives, and let moneyed interests and powerful lobbies construct a country that best serves their needs rather than ours? This is not a movie of arguments, but of examples — of practices Moore thinks more humane, and more in accordance with his countrymen's preferences."<ref>Klein, Ezra, "Why Michael Moore Is Good for Your Health", article at the Web site (but "Web only" so not in the magazine itself) of '']'' magazine, dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
David Corn, writing on the Web site of ''The Nation'' magazine, agrees that the power of the movie lies in its general moral point, made not only with entertaining humor but with affecting pathos that draws the audience in a convincing way to a general moral conclusion, not a specific set of policies: "Moore, to his credit, cuts through the surface-level details and gets to the essentials. Why not health care for all? Why allow corporate profit-mongers to decide whether an 18-month-old girl lives or dies? Why is the population of the United States, as wealthy as this nation is, not as healthy as the population of Britain, France, Canada, and 33 other countries? Why settle for a sick system?"<ref>Corn, David, blog post, "SiCKO Is Boffo", at the Web site of '']'', dated ], ], accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
Jonathan Cohn, a proponent of a universal health care system in the United States and the author of ''Sick'', also said Moore's method was effective: "eyond all the grandstanding and political theater, the movie actually made a compelling, argument about what's wrong with U.S. health care and how to fix it. Sicko got a lot of the little things wrong. But it got most of the big things right." At another point, Cohn said: "Our side needs some passion and, yes, perhaps a little simplicity, too. That's what Moore has supplied."<ref name=jcohn/> | |||
==Criticism of the critiques== | |||
CBS Evening News critique of Sicko relied on the premise that the U.S. public and its political leaders do not embrace Moore's preferred solution of a ], in which medical care is provided by private doctors and hospitals but paid for by the government. However, according to the media-watch group ] (FAIR), that premise is incorrect. The claim that no politicians support such a system is incorrect, because presidential candidate Congressman ] supports just such a system, as do dozens of members of Congress who co-sponsored H.R. 676, a bill that would provide single-payer coverage. With respect to Americans' support for universal health-care paid for by the government, in a recent CNN poll, 64 percent of respondents supported the statement that "government should provide a national health insurance program for all Americans, even if this would require higher taxes". A recent CBS/New York Times poll found that 64 percent of Americans support the idea that the federal government should "guarantee health insurance for all," while 60 percent supported paying higher taxes to provide such coverage.<ref> June 25, 2007</ref> | |||
But not all polls agree. A 2006 poll conducted for ], ] and the ] found that while 56 percent of Americans said supported the idea of universal health care, "this support is relatively easy to shake. If supporters are challenged with possible downsides of such a plan significant numbers change their minds about such a program", with support dropping to one third or lower.<ref>"Health Care in America 2006 Survey", dated October 2006, accessed ], ]</ref> | |||
Moore himself was pessimistic, as he indicated in interviews at Cannes. In one, he said: "'Let’s be honest, no one’s going to support dismantling the private health care system', Mr. Moore replied. 'I don’t think the insurance companies are just going to give up the profit motivation.'"<ref name=mflk/> In an interview with ''Entertainment Tonight'' at Cannes, Moore said: "What I'm suggesting is the elimination of private health insurance, which is a much bigger thing. I don't know any politicians who are going to take that stand, which is too bad. I don't know many liberals who can take that stand."<ref name=etcannes/> | |||
==See also== | |||
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