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#<s>May not be able to contribute for a while in the future... ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)</s> Computer access severely restricted.... ] 12:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
#Trying to add IPA pronunciation to names I know I can pronounce right. Please check them if there is an expert.-''']]]]]]''' 03:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC) and new categories regarding ].-''']]]]]]''' 04:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
#Still around, but distracted, as seems typical these days. However, notices about any Middle-earth -related or Tolkien-related discussions are more than welcome. - ] 09:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
#I've been working on ], deleting lots of superfluous material. I've also recently expanded some stubs, especially those related to the Shire. --] 22:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
#Busy, but checking in here occassionally. ] 01:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
#Ditto Carcharoth. --] <sup>]</sup> 02:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
#Just joining up here. My HS graduation is in a couple of weeks, so I may have a couple papers to write, but other than that I'm willing to help wherever I'm needed. --] 15:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
#As I always say: sometimes I get in the mood to assess; so perhaps that mood will strike this period, as well. --] (<small>] ;; ]</small>) 22:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
#Busy elsewhere at the moment, but checking in and should be able to resume making more updates in a couple weeks. --] 16:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
# I'm available... ]<sup>] 13:35, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
# Busy, but working as I'm able. ] 03:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
# Hello! I'm new here. ] 12:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
# I've got my Tolkien encyclopedia at the ready! ] 13:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
# I've been tied up lately, but I'm available for some editing duties. --] 14:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
# I'm here. Mostly working on the ] article (we could use some more help too ^_^). --] 21:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
# I've just joined. I'll look around and see what I can do. --] 18:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
# Joined June 2007, as much a devotee to Silmarillion as to LotR. --] 12:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
# Still lurking, mostly busy with other projects that have much smaller edit teams. - ] 03:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
# Just joined this group, I often edit the ] page and have added my link to the progress of my work on the character called "A Defense of Character: Boromir" and it is NOT spam. I have in the past edited the main section about Boromir including the passage from "The Departure of Boromir" along with other useful information. - ] 29 June 2007
# When time permits.... ] 18:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


New article you may enjoy - translated b/c of my suggestion. A Polish translator of Tolkien works. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 07:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
==Issues==


:@] Close to a GA level, perhaps? I could help a bit with Polish sources or such if you'd like to work on that. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 07:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
===Images for Deletion===
::I think it's splendid: good work! But it's more like yours, you should take it to GAN, not me – all you have to do is to work in some of the Polish sources as it's already of a decent standard. In any case, as you can see above, my GAN queue stretches back six months or more, and in fact I'm successively dropping Middle-earth GANs as I work biological topics up to GA. Who knows, I might even review the article! All the best, ] (]) 08:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Several images on pages which fall under the scope of WikiProject Middle-earth have been flagged for deletion because ]. These images are all screenshots from the ] and already contain the ] but still need fair use rationale, source, and copyright information. Is there any way to generate a list of images under our WikiProject that have been flagged so that the appropriate free use rationale can be added to each page before they are deleted?] 12:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

ex. Image:Elvenruinswide.jpg

=== A-level assessment system ===

] pointed out to me that the usage of the A-class is rather ambiguous. It's debatable on this WikiProject about whether GA is part of the B-A-FA sequence, which would ''normally'' (but not always) put A above GA as per ], or whether GA is separate from it. As of right now, 9 articles are rated A-class in this WikiProject, usually just to distinguish them from B-class articles, and none of these are Good Articles. We really need to create a well-defined system for classifying these articles. I really don't know much about the inner workings of assessments, so I'll try to help, but I'm leaving the experts to nitpick about this issue. --] 00:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:Correction: ] is a good article. --] 19:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:I suggest improving those 9 articles (]), or at least one of them, enough to make GA status, and then carrying on from there. Well, all except ], as that is a former featured article, and we should really try to improve that enough to go straight back up (will take a lot of work though). ] 00:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

===All map images deleted: Should all the ME articles go too?===
Per all maps for the middle earth entries have been deleted yesterday, and the CommonsDelinker removed them from the articles.

This seems to me to make a mockery of many of the articles which are relatively uninteresting if they cannot be seen in the context of middle Earth.

It also makes me wonder why the text content of the articles is ok, as they are arguably derivative works too.

I disagree that people should be able to delete images from commons that are referenced in WP, without first discussing it on the relevant talk pages. ] 12:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:If the articles seem uninteresting without the maps, then improve the writing! Not all articles are about the geography of Middle-earth, and images other than maps are possible. ] 01:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:If the maps could be used under fair use, leave me a message and I will temporarily undelete the maps. ] 06:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:It seems to be that there is a strange derivation between the image and text (article) fair use policy. I mean this is just clear -- people made maps of areas that the book's didn't even have maps of... and they are deleted because they derive from copyrighted works. I dunno -- all the articles that are only referenced by the material itself should all be delete now as well? That seems very extreme. I know that Wikimedia common's didn't ''have to'' tell the WikiProject about the deletion but its a very significant one and well worth talk about in this location especially. ]] 06:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, some people from the WikiProject (including me) did take part in the discussion. (See: ]) The Commons people and us should have advertised it here more widely, but mybe it was (I can't remember). One of the problems is that the discussion actually took place several months ago, but a technical problem meant it went un-noticed for about 6 months and was only closed recently. Also, things have been slow around here anyway I also believe ] created the maps, and was the one that nominated them for deletion. If you want, you can try over there to see if they will allow the debate to be reopened. The map creator also pointed out they are now in use on the lotr wikia (see link at the debate). ] 09:42, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I took part in the discussion also, and posted a notice here months ago that the maps were likely to be deleted. In anticipation of that I copied them all locally and could thus re-upload them to Misplaced Pages under fair use guidelines if we want to go that route. Commons doesn't allow 'fair use' images, but Misplaced Pages does. Rather than having a map on every location page it might be better to link specific locations to a few regional pages with maps. Of course, we have also talked about making alot of the small location pages into lists - which would help to consolidate things and cut down on the number of 'fair use' images needed. --] 16:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

===Articles for deletion===

==== ]====

I figure that people here might want to chime in at this AfD. ] 19:20, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. I've done a rewrite, and Tttom added some references. Let's see what happens. ] 11:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::'''No consensus''' ] 16:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

==== ] ====
Who remembers that song that Pippin sings for Denethor as Faramir is riding out to try to retake Osgiliath? Well, it's called The Edge of Night, and it's up for deletion. If any of you feel strongly about it's being kept, then it (or deleted), then it would be great if you could visit here: . Thanks, ] 02:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
*I've started a draft on a rewrite focusing on the source (FOTR, Three is Company - "A Walking Song") on the article's ]. ] 18:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

====Recent deletions====
I was looking through the ] and noticed several recent deletions. What should be done about these, if anything? I think expired prods can be contested, but ones deleted via AfD will be more problematic. These are also a mixed bunch, some are rubbish articles, while some are worth saving, in my opinion. ] 09:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

*] - prod
*] - prod
*] - speedy deletion
*] - ]
*] - prod
*] - recreated prod followed by ]

The one I am most interested in here is ], as that forms part of the ]. I don't remember it being as bad as the AfD says, so maybe it got vandalised at some point? ] 09:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:Update: I found , and after looking through it, I'm taking this to deletion review. There needs to be a longer discussion on this. I'll post a link here once I've started the review. ] 11:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

===Templates for deletion===

===Categories for deletion===

===Articles already deleted===
*], some time ago ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:That was a ] deletion. You can object and have it restored immediately, if you like. --] <sup>]</sup> 02:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

===Articles newly made/found===
'''From last archive:'''
*An article to keep an eye on: ]. ] 19:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
*] - a new article on a Tolkien fan, collector and scholar. Thanks to PKM for writing this. ] 13:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
*Russian writers who've published their fan fiction:
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*'']'' - very few or no other articles that link to this one. --- ] 12:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
*] - not sure if this is going too far - we don't want articles on all the books, but this could definitely be merged with other books later if needed. ] 10:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
*] - author of ] and its updated later edition - died last year and also known as a journalist in various fields. ] 10:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
*] is being expanded following the AfD of Baillie Tolkien's article. ] 10:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
*] - created in January 2007. ] 11:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
:Should be merged w/ ] ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
*] - split from ] ] 18:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

=== Family templates ===
Any updates on these? Fixed-pitch graphics. ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
=== Lists versus individual articles ===
Perhaps we should start working on listification. ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

=== Terminology ===
It seems the general consensus is to use "'''Tolkien's legendarium'''". I suggest making "legendarium" link to ]. Just not "Middle-earth universe" or "fictional universe of Middle-earth". ] 18:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or why not just "Middle-earth writings?" ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

=== Present tense vs. past tense, and in-universe style===
Due to recurring complaints:
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...perhaps it would be better to give way to the general guidelines... or leave it to a vote. ] 16:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

* We have this exception for good reasons. That said, perhaps the best way to deal with this would be to have a note with a link in our talk page banner, explaining this. - ] 09:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
*: I was ], and edited ]. Hopefully this will help lessen confusion. Let me know what you think. - ] 09:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

===Lots of stuff in archives (from last archive)===
Snipped lots of stuff here that should really be resurrected from the archives and discussion restarted/concluded. ] 12:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
In particular:
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So let's not lose track of those discussions! ] 13:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

*I think that merging stubs to lists (allowing a more fully developed section to be split from the list as its own article) seems to be the current "trend". - ] 09:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

===Streamlining Wikiproject stuff===
#Since the list of participants at front needs to be updated, why not just have the signing-up/roll call here? (or there?)
#I just made the roll calls bi-monthly; okay with everyone? We're not very active as a unit anyway right now. ] 16:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
#Also, having discussions on multiple project talk pages are a bit awkward if we're not as active as typical forums are; anyway most of it goes here nowadays.

===Random things===
I wish we had more illustrations to balance film images - one thing has over our articles. ] 17:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

===]===
I am petitioning to have this page altered to rmeove the restriction against using succession boxes for fictional characters. I think this group has an interest since several related pages for fictional characters are already using these boxes. ]--] 18:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

===Vandalism?===
Could one of you perhaps look at ] - I've recently reverted some (obvious) vandalism, but I doubt all the information in there is correct - for instance, I've never heard of a hobbit called "Andwise "Andy" Roper"! ] ] 10:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
: Thanks for reverting the bogus stuff. ] 11:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== There is a vote going on right ]. ===

I just had to bring it to attention to two WikiProjects. It's a vote about moving "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (film)" to "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King". Just click the link, note I'm a member of neither projects I brought this attention to. ] 01:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

=== new logo proposal ===

I would suggest you to use this pic (]) as wikiproyect logo --'''''] ]''''' 02:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, any representation of the One Ring is perforce a ] of Tolkien's stories and can therefor only be used under fair-use guidelines... and Misplaced Pages does not allow fair-use images to be used in templates. --] 13:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
::Ergo it should only be linked from here (which I've done), and the license should be changed to give a fair-use rationale (which I haven't done). ] 14:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

===]'s image policy ===
From - the man speaks:

<blockquote>To put it in a nutshell, there are four conditions for use of any of my imagery on a web site (not including of course photos by other persons; in that case their permission must be requested).
#That the use be strictly non-commercial.
#That the work be properly credited.
#That a clear link to be provided.
#Last but not least, that the use of the image be in accordance with the image itself. This is perhaps hard to make clear, but I would refuse, for example, use of one of my pictures to promote ideas, concepts or undertakings with which I disagree, or for which the image's prime purpose is only to attract attention to something entirely different.</blockquote>

<blockquote>Obviously, I can neither control nor actually stop anyone from using what imagery of mine they decide to use on a site, but as I am generally dealing with people who appreciate the illustrations, I have run into few problems. (Most of the more amusing ones have been honest enough site owners who were "sold" my imagery by someone less scrupulous, rather like the Brooklyn Bridge...)</blockquote>

So can we use his images? ] 17:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

:For those who didn't see ]'s ] on ]'s talk page: Unfortunately because the "strictly non-commercial" license is not "free", we can't use the images per Misplaced Pages's ]. --] 23:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Apologies for not updating this myself. Hyarion's Tolkien Gateway can, however, since it doesn't have such a policy (not bashing them). ''Sigh''. ] 00:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

=== Link patrol ===

I thought I'd ask here before reverting ] of ] who I'm guessing is the owner of Tolkien-Online.com, the links don't seem to say anything that the Misplaced Pages article doesn't already cover. Anyone oppose? --] 06:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

=== anarion house ===

Hi! I'm a member of the wiki Italian project dedicated to ]. Some days ago we've done the complete familytree of the ] (spread into two parts, ] and ]); the template familytree hasn't been translated, so you can also use it on your wiki... there are some links that are different, but they can be corrected in a few minutes (and some words: figlio=son, figlia=daughter figlie=daughters continua=continues Re=King etc.). I guess it'd be useful for you ;) ] --] 13:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

=== Move proposals ===

There's a couple of move discussions currently going or proposed on M-e talk pages. Any objections?
*]→] (see ])
*]↔] (see ])
*]→] (see ])
*]→], virtually for the same reasons as Beregond. Some disambiguating name must be present as ] is a dab, but ] is likewise from M-e area
*]→], the spelling used in ]. Per ]
*A couple of categories could be renamed to follow common naming conventions (Middle-earth prefix before main subject - cf. ] etc.):
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*] can be merged - see ]

By the way, ] page is a vandalism, I suppose? ] 15:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:I agree on most of the moves, though I'm against changing the Ents category since Ents are, to my knowledge, Middle-earth specific. I can't find anything about Ierleaf in the Encyclopedia of Arda so I assuming it is vandalism. --] 17:43, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with Eruhildo. Also never heard of Ierleaf. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I have ] it. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

===New deletion stuff===
See ]. Been away for a while, trying to get back into the swing of things round this WikiProject, and I find that ] got deleted! :-( From memory, it was unsourced, but it was the beginnings of an article on the subject, and contrary to what the people at the AfD said, there have been studies on this topic. ] 09:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:A mirror copy of the 'Middle-earth in popular culture' article can be seen . ] 11:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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New article you may enjoy - translated b/c of my suggestion. A Polish translator of Tolkien works. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Chiswick Chap Close to a GA level, perhaps? I could help a bit with Polish sources or such if you'd like to work on that. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
I think it's splendid: good work! But it's more like yours, you should take it to GAN, not me – all you have to do is to work in some of the Polish sources as it's already of a decent standard. In any case, as you can see above, my GAN queue stretches back six months or more, and in fact I'm successively dropping Middle-earth GANs as I work biological topics up to GA. Who knows, I might even review the article! All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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