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	A check though "What links here" will give many hints as to how this entry could be richer and deeper. ] 03:04, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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	I'd be happy to. In fact, I intend to help with its editing, because I'm that in its present state it lacks the proper qualities of an encyclopædia.--] 01:34, 2004 Jun 9 (UTC)
	:Okay, my rewrite is done. I'm afraid I couldn't put anything in the edit summary, because I forgot to. But hopefully it's much improved.

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	Concerning this sentence (that also has some grammatical problems...)
	:''The population is said to frequently discuss topics such as architecture and æsthetics regularly.''
	Is this true? Who says this? In fact, as a citizen of Dresden, I have not witnessed any unusual amount of discussion ;-) --] 03:36, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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	Overall, I think the article is a bit too dramatic in its wording. Dresden is certainly a beautiful city, but some of the statements of this article exaggerate quite a bit:
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	* ''The city has become a world leader in many sections of culture, ...'' -- World leader in culture? Come on! Okay, I come on. But there are rather many world records. Anyway, you could be right that my language is too much in favour. ;-)
	* ''Houses ..., built by famous king and artists from all over the world...'' -- rather "all over Europe"; I agree again.
	* ''many prestigious research centers in Dresden still have their primary headquarters in the west'' -- "still"? Would we expect them to move? (One could rather say: "Many research centers have already established facilities near Dresden") why not ? I wanted to point out that even despite Dresden is known as success story there is still a very long way to be competitive with Munich etc. And yes, in earlier times very many of the today´s western headquartes were in Dresden.
	* ''East Germany had been the richest Communist country'' -- I do not know. Are you sure? (What means "rich": life standard, economy, state treasury?) yes, I am sure, it was the richest in all meanings, so that doesn´t matter.
	Finally, the structure could include a section ''Economy'', where the related information -- especially concerning the re-unification process -- is collected. Sorry for only giving these "hints" instead of doing it myself... maybe later. --] 04:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC) thanks, I like hints. Most of that was done meanwhile by native speakers, some of them living in Dresden.

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	:I agree with all of what you wrote. ] 14:33, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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	==Devastators?==
	Dear authors you should use "devastated by '''US''' World War II bombing" instead of "devastated by World War II bombing"!!! --

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	:: "... by '''Allied''' bombing during World War II" would perhaps be better still. ] 18:25, 2004 Sep 16 (UTC)

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	It was bombed by the Bristish Royal Air force mainly, only slightly supported by US forces. ]

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	== Numbers regarding dead people and destroyed houses, flats. ==

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 22:45, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
	25.000 dead people were found and burried. It is nearly absolutely sure that in fact it were many more, for example many burnt. The total nummber is estimated most often to be sommething around 35.000, other serious sources say 125.000 or even more, neonazi propaganda says 300.000-450.000 refering to the American Red Cross 1945. During the last weeks of the war the administration spoke about only 16.000.
	The truth is that everything between 25.000-140.000 can be true and official statistics after the 1950s used all numbers between 25.000-160.000, in both parts of Germany. I as Dresden maniac and citizen guess something around 45.000, but it is very hard to estimate and 140.000 sounds reasonable if you imagine all those comepletey destroyed living quarters with 6 floors in each big building. On the other hand many people survided even out of completely destroyed houses. The city was populated with 570.000 out of former 630.000 citizens and the same number of refugees from the east front.
	Somebody changed a picture description to: 75% of the -center- was destroyed, this is wrong because the center was destroyed complety. The city is rather big in area, much bigger than usually a city with that amount of population. So the damage was rather different in each quarter, but 79% of all flats, not necesarrily houses, had "some" damage (total and meaningless counted together). There were 222.000 flats in total. 75.000 of them totally destroyed, 11.000 strongly hit, 7.000 hit, 81.000 slightly damaged. The innercity in those times were closer built than today. The villa districts suffered much less destruction than other quarters.
	The militaric facilities in the north of the city were not hit, but they had not much meaning in the last weeks of the war anyway. Most material was on the east front, the city was not meaningful defended against air strikes and it also was not a militarically important center. It is not sure that the optical industry was used for militaric weapons, this is only pure guessing.
	Please don´t get me wrong. I don´t want blame anybody for anything, I like the US and Britain, just help to stick to the facts. Some recent changes went out of control. ] 07:00, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
	:Hi Netguru, I changed "total and meaningless" to "total, meaningless" in the article picture caption, but I'm not sure what you meant by "meaningless", now I read your comment here. Do you mean "total and slight" damage? Meaningless means "sinnlos". Oh, and what are "marshalling yards" in German? ] 12:49, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
	Hi Saintswithin, yes I mean total and slight, thanks a lot for your attention and helpful remarks, this is not the first time you helped. About marshalling yards, I also wondered. This expression was not edited by me, I thought it was done by a native English speaker because he was refering to a book written in English. I also had no idea what it could mean in this abstract. ] 04:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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	This evening, the ] declared that Dresden will hold the "Olympic Games" of Chess in 2008. The "Olympic Games" in chess could not been established as part of the Olympic Summer games despite the FIDE tried so. Already 2004 the European women´s championship took place in Dresden. I don´t know if the first thing is worth to be published here on the Dresden wikipedia site. I only saw that CNN was reporting rather much about the European ladies´ championship. ] 18:01, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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	==Photos==
	Does anyone have any good photos of Dresden taken during the day? These are all night-time ones! ] 19:24, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
	The German version of the Dresden thread offers picures of the day. You can use them all, some are from me, others from guys which I know via wikipedia. They are glad if you use the picues. It´s the same with http://de.wikipedia.org/Zwinger_%28Dresden%29 It´s all GNU license.]

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	== Polish name ==

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 01:29, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
	In accordance with ] and the ] I hereby provide the rationale behind adding the Polish name to the header:

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	# Dresden used to be the Polish capital, most notably during the reign of ], who financed much of the baroque reconstruction of the city with the Polis treasury. Also, the city was taken by Polish and Soviet troops in 1945. ]] 17:41, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

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	::I disagree. First of all, using the English-language Google only produces 3500 hits, many of which appear to be mirrors of a hotel service. Secondly, Augustus II was the Elector of Saxony who was then elected King of Poland–he's not Polish, and neither was Dresden. ] ] 18:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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	::Regarding the second point: during the reign of ], there was a personal union between Saxony and Poland, as Augustus was also elector of Saxony. This perhaps meant that Poland was reigned from Dresden, but that does not make Dresden the capital of Poland, just as the capital of Canada is not London because the Queen of Canada lives there.
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	::About the Polish troops in Dresden: do you really want every mention of Gdansk, Warsaw, or any other Polish city to be followed by the Russian name of the city as well? ] 18:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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	:::Unfortunately for Poland, it was ruled directly from Dresden... Augustus first wanted to enhance his power by seizing the port of Riga. The Saxonian forces were repelled and the Swedish retaliation was against Poland. Then, after the ], king ] was ruling from Dresden exclusively. During roughly 30 years of his rule he came to Warsaw three times. His governor in Poland, Heinrich Bruechl, was mostly occupied with earning more money for the baroque palaces and paintings in Dresden, which resulted in a complete decline of the Polish capital. Even minting of the Polish coin was moved to Dresden, which proved to be vital in breaking the Polish economy. After the city was seized by Prussia during the Seven Years War, the Prussians started to produce huge ammounts of Polish currency, which led to hiperinflation in Poland, even if Poland was not directly a part of the conflict. ]] 18:30, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

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	::What do you mean by "his governor in Poland"? If Dresden was Polish, surely August wouldn't have needed a governor there?
	:: But thanks for the history lesson; what you are saying is that the Swedish name should also be given at each reference to a Polish city? (And let's not forget Napoleon...) ] 18:37, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 21:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
	:::Dresden was never part of Poland, any more than London was part of Scotland from 1603 to 1707. Saxony was in personal union with Poland from 1697 to 1763, just as England was in personal union with Scotland. James VI after 1603, and Charles I and II, and James VII, and William and Mary, and Anne, all ruled Scotland from London. There were some governmental institutions in Edinburgh, including the Scottish parliament (the Sejm didn't meet in Dresden, did it?), but the most important business was conducted in London. I've never yet heard anybody say London was the capital of Scotland in this period. The same deal with Dresden, which was and is part of Saxony, which has never been considered to be part of Poland. ] ] 18:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

			== Foreign language names and the Frauenkirche ==

			{{ping\|LechitaPL}}'''regarding foreign names''':
	:::Dresden was not part of Poland - and it doesn't have to be. The talk:Gdansk vote mentions a shared history, not shared borders.
			A google search reveals a total of just over 2 million results (including double counting, including pages which are not truly in English, etc) for those 3 variants total, separated as follows:
			*Drjezdzany yields 80k results, including WP mirrors/other Wiki- projects and many pages which are not in English...,
			*Drazdany yields more but those are mostly non-English (only 2 English results (WP and Wiktionary) in first 5 pages of results...
			*And "Drezno" yields 800k results, but those are again mostly in Polish (the only non-Polish pages I can find, at a glance, are this one, a WP disambig page, Wiktionary, etc... - you get the picture)
			As for Dresden, I find more than 120 million results for it. As such, these variants are not relevant under MOS:QUOTENAME and need not be mentioned. As was explained in the previous discussions, the Gdansk vote does not apply to this since the city does not have "a shared history with Poland" unless you use a very tenuous description of the term (which was rejected). Even if that vote did apply, the city is universally referred to (in English) as ''Dresden'', unless maybe in listings of foreign language names. As such, There is no reason to include the Polish name, or any of the other translated names, except maybe in a "Names" section (and even then, arguing that we should include the Czech or Polish names is as bad an argument as saying that we should also include French "Dresde", Italian "Dresda", and so on - an English speaker is very unlikely to use those terms to look for this city, and the city was never Czech or Polish, so there's little historical ground for including them - the Sorbian name can go in the Etymology/Early history section, where it already is).<br>
			'''regarding the Frauenkirche''':
			The bombing of the city is already mentioned earlier in the lead, and no detail is given for either of the three other buildings. No reason we should go in too much details about this in the lead - simply mentioning that it was destroyed and rebuilt gives a better summary of the topic (details about the Frauenkirche and why it wasn't rebuilt go either lower in the article, or in the article about the church itself). Giving all those details in the intro would be ]. ] (]) 15:24, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

			== Dubious climate table ==
	:::Unfortunately for Poland, it was ruled directly from Dresden... Augustus first wanted to enhance his power by seizing the port of Riga. The Saxonian forces were repelled and the Swedish retaliation was against Poland. Then, after the ], king ] was ruling from Dresden exclusively. During roughly 30 years of his rule he came to Warsaw three times. His governor in Poland, Heinrich Bruechl, was mostly occupied with earning more money for the baroque palaces and paintings in Dresden, which resulted in a complete decline of the Polish capital. Even minting of the Polish coin was moved to Dresden, which proved to be vital in breaking the Polish economy. After the city was seized by Prussia during the Seven Years War, the Prussians started to produce huge ammounts of Polish currency, which led to hiperinflation in Poland, even if Poland was not directly a part of the conflict.

			The climate table for 1991-2020 period for some reason shows the same precipitation as ], which made me doubt about the whole table. I made a new one for an older period. Please verify the weather box if you can.] (]) 18:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

			:Found my answer. The precipitation values are for Dusseldorf not Dresden. I'm gonna fix it. ] (]) 19:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

			== Request to rename "Soviet Republic of Saxony" ==

			A request has been made to rename "Soviet Republic of Saxony" to "Saxony in the German Revolution (1918–1919)". With the renaming, "Soviet Republic of Saxony" would be removed from this page's infobox.

			Please join the discussion ]. ] (]) 15:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

			== Removing “Drježdźany” ==

			In line with the purging of German names in Slavic countries, Slavic names should likewise be removed herefrom ] (]) 12:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Foreign language names and the Frauenkirche

@LechitaPL:regarding foreign names: A google search reveals a total of just over 2 million results (including double counting, including pages which are not truly in English, etc) for those 3 variants total, separated as follows:

Drjezdzany yields 80k results, including WP mirrors/other Wiki- projects and many pages which are not in English...,
Drazdany yields more but those are mostly non-English (only 2 English results (WP and Wiktionary) in first 5 pages of results...
And "Drezno" yields 800k results, but those are again mostly in Polish (the only non-Polish pages I can find, at a glance, are this one, a WP disambig page, Wiktionary, etc... - you get the picture)

As for Dresden, I find more than 120 million results for it. As such, these variants are not relevant under MOS:QUOTENAME and need not be mentioned. As was explained in the previous discussions, the Gdansk vote does not apply to this since the city does not have "a shared history with Poland" unless you use a very tenuous description of the term (which was rejected). Even if that vote did apply, the city is universally referred to (in English) as Dresden, unless maybe in listings of foreign language names. As such, There is no reason to include the Polish name, or any of the other translated names, except maybe in a "Names" section (and even then, arguing that we should include the Czech or Polish names is as bad an argument as saying that we should also include French "Dresde", Italian "Dresda", and so on - an English speaker is very unlikely to use those terms to look for this city, and the city was never Czech or Polish, so there's little historical ground for including them - the Sorbian name can go in the Etymology/Early history section, where it already is).
regarding the Frauenkirche: The bombing of the city is already mentioned earlier in the lead, and no detail is given for either of the three other buildings. No reason we should go in too much details about this in the lead - simply mentioning that it was destroyed and rebuilt gives a better summary of the topic (details about the Frauenkirche and why it wasn't rebuilt go either lower in the article, or in the article about the church itself). Giving all those details in the intro would be WP:UNDUE. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 15:24, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Dubious climate table

The climate table for 1991-2020 period for some reason shows the same precipitation as Düsseldorf, which made me doubt about the whole table. I made a new one for an older period. Please verify the weather box if you can.PAper GOL (talk) 18:53, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Found my answer. The precipitation values are for Dusseldorf not Dresden. I'm gonna fix it. PAper GOL (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Request to rename "Soviet Republic of Saxony"

A request has been made to rename "Soviet Republic of Saxony" to "Saxony in the German Revolution (1918–1919)". With the renaming, "Soviet Republic of Saxony" would be removed from this page's infobox.

Please join the discussion here. GHStPaulMN (talk) 15:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Removing “Drježdźany”

In line with the purging of German names in Slavic countries, Slavic names should likewise be removed herefrom 95.194.209.79 (talk) 12:53, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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