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| Our banner reads, in part, "a collaborative effort to improve Misplaced Pages's coverage of tulips." Tulips??? | |||
| :Changed ''Tulips'' to ''Russian History'' here and in the template - thanks for pointing it out. I'm not sure how to locate the pages, if any, which already have the incorrect template added. ] 01:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks for changing it. I had added the banner to an article before the change, and it looks like it was automatically updated.--] 01:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them. | |||
| :"Tulips" was my fault. I just copied the template from the Wikiproject help page (with tulips), went to feed my cats, and forgot to up date it. In other words, I'm an idiot. Thanks for updating it, Pheadrus. ] 14:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Portals are being redesigned. | |||
| More important question: If an article has been 'claimed' by another WP project (Ivan IV falls under the biography and military history projects, for example)do we need to talk to those projects before adding the banner and editing the articles? | |||
| --] 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't think so. I've been adding the banner to Talk pages and have seen many with multiple projects. It seems to me a case of "the more, the merrier." ] 14:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The new design features are being applied to existing portals. | |||
| ==Profiles== | |||
| Guys (those in red ink :)), could you please create profiles for yourselves? I think we can all benefit from knowing each other just a little bit better. Thank you! ] 06:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{tl|Transclude lead excerpt}}. | |||
| ==Where to Place the Banner== | |||
| You say "Place the Russian History WikiProject banner on the TALK PAGE of ''every entry tagged with Category:History of Russia''". How about articles that are not tagged with Category:History of Russia, but are about Russia and its people? Please, clarify. ] 17:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Good question. The answer, I think, is that the banner should be on the talk page of every Russian history related page. I've changed the front page to reflect this. Using the "History of Russia" category page is just a way to find Russian history related pages that need the banner. ] 20:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| The discussion about this can be found ''']'''. | |||
| ==Transliteration== | |||
| Are we following LOC transliteration? If so, what do we do with an article ("Andrey Kurbsky") where the title itself is mistransliterated? If we change it to Andrei Kurbskii, will people looking under the former spelling still find it? (At the moment, if one searches according to the correct spelling, nothing comes up.)--] 06:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *That's one of the disadvantages of wiki search engine. If you make a spelling mistake, it won't find anything. They should really address that issue. ] 11:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Is there any reason <i>not</i> to follow LOC trans other than the "former (incorrect) spelling" issue? It seems to me that there are ample ways to get to "Andrey Kurbsky" from "Andrei Kurbskii." Seems to me we should go with LOC. ] 16:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Yes. Definitely LOC. It's simply a question of people being able to find things easily. Is it difficult to set up something so that a search for 'Kurbsky' (or 'Tolstoy,' etc)is redirected to the article with the proper spelling? I know it's possible, Andrei Kurbsky redirects to Andrey Kurbsky. (although a search for Kurbskii leads only to the page on Dan Waugh)How do we set up redirection of that sort? It may not be readily apparent to all users that searching for 'Kurbsk*' is the best idea.--] 19:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Gentlemen, you can find more at ]. But it doesn't mean you can create redirects for entries like Andre Koorbskii, Andreii Kurbskyy etc. You have to understand that if some people have no idea how to spell someone's name, they have to use other sources to find out the most commonly-used spelling of this name in English (or whatever language) and then search the Misplaced Pages for the article on this person. You shouldn't create redirects that are similar in spelling to Andrei Kurbsky. Does it all make sense :)? ] 20:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***Thank you, I didn't know how to set such things up. I agree that a redirect for Andrei Kurbsky does not make sense, but it probably predates this project.--] 21:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ****What I mean is that a redirect ] to ] is fine (Andrei and Andrey are both used in English quite often), that's why it exists. Redirects for the rest of the possible spellings would be nonsense (Koooorbskyy and the like). Examples may be numerous: Smirnov and Smirnoff (fine), Khrushchev and Khruschev (fine), George Bush and George Boosh (do not create a redirect), Condoleezza Rice and Condolisa Rice (do not) etc. Common sense, really. ] 21:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *****Clear enough, thank you. To fix this particular problem, I did the following: Moved the former article to "Andrei Kurbskii" which, I read, has the effect of setting up a redirect from the old article to the new one. I'm hoping that fixes things without breaking anything. | |||
| --] 05:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members ''']''', noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time. | |||
| There is a Misplaced Pages page on "Romanizing" Cyrillic (Russian) script: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Romanization_of_Russian ] 18:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| === Background === | |||
| ==Just a suggestion== | |||
| Maybe we should just pick a badly written article or a stub on the Russian history and try to improve it collectively instead of tagging ALL of the artciles pertaining to Russia? It'll last forever... But then again, if my suggestion passes, we'll roll back to the '''Collaboration of the Week''' thing (]), which used to be so popular in Misplaced Pages and later died down due to the lack of enthusiasm. ] 21:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| On April 8th, 2018, an ]. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals. | |||
| ==Armenian SSR== | |||
| There's an ]. | |||
| Hey all, how come Armenian SSR was tagged? Are we assuming Soviet Union == Russia? - ] ] 23:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals. | |||
| :Hi Francis. Sort of. I think Rus', Appanage Rus', Muscovy (and all its territories), the Empire, the USSR (all of it), and *some* of the former territories of the USSR fall under our purview. <b>This purview is *not* exclusive.</b> We aren't imperialists! We just want to help keep the articles accurate. If the Armenian History Misplaced Pages Project (should such ever exist) wants to monitor the "Armenian SSR" article as well, that would be great. The more the merrier. I'd be interested to see what others think. ] 14:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| So far, 84 editors have joined. | |||
| *It's already been tagged by the projects for Armenia and the Soviet Union - I think it falls under their purview rather than ours, and I half believe it should be removed. I tagged the page for the RSFSR but deliberately left the pages for the other SSRs alone as I wasn't sure what to do with them. I don't think our purview should be restrictive but a line has to be drawn somewhere - are we concerned with the history of Russia (which would include Rus', Muscovy ''et al''), or are we concerned with the history of the Soviet Union - which already has it's own Wikiproject? Perhaps discussion of this, also, should move to the talk page of the article concerned? ] 13:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the ]. | |||
| **Granted, but I would say that in marginal cases (like this) the more projects involved in monitoring articles, the better. All any project tag means (IMO) is "We want to help" (NOT "We own this"). If multiple projects want to help, all the better. As long as everyone maintains NPOV (which we will), multiple projects bring more attention to the tagged articles and, by "Wikimagic," more attention should result in better articles. I imagine that someone will get POed about our tag on a site that they think "their" project "owns," but I think we should deal with that on a case by case basis. ] 15:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the ]. | |||
| *I agree with MarshallPoe here. Russian history has long been understood to include the history of its empire and of the Soviet Union. This is a convention, though, not a claim to "ownership." ] 19:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you. <span class="nowrap"> — '']'' </span> 11:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC) | |||
| *This "convention" is wrong and potentially offensive, even if it is clear through this discussion page that the honest authors clearly mean no offense. An ancyclopedia exists to get things right, not to propagate misunderstandings and conventions. The name should be changed or the scope limited to reflect reality rather than convention. ] 08:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| *To limit the scope would wrongly efface the fact that Russia WAS an empire, that "Russian history" involved imperial, even colonial, relationships (often very oppressive) with nations besides ethnic Russians. But what name change would work? "The History of Russia and its Empire" works only until 1917. "Soviet History" works only 1917-1991. "Russian, Russian Imperial, and Soviet History" might work but is rather unwieldy. Also, to call this project "Russian History" and to include non-Russian areas and peoples reflects historical terminology (Rossiia, i.e. "Russia", often stood for the whole empire and still today stands for many areas in which ethnic Russians do not predominate). By the way, it seems to me that offense should only be taken (and my ancestors were themselves non-Russian subjects of the empire) if it was said that Armenia, for example, could ONLY be discussed by the Russian History project. --] 22:29, 25 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Scope == | |||
| Just what exactly is in scope of this project? I saw someone tagging ] as part of this project; while I'm not opposed to this (he did make some excellent movies about Russia's history after all), he wasn't that crucial with respect to Russian history himself (as opposed to Lenin, Stalin etc). ] 23:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I will withdraw my name from the memberlist if it all comes down to simple tagging. I don't see any sense in it. ] 13:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **No, tagging isn't all that is planned: "This WikiProject aims to add, improve and monitor articles concerning Russian History in all periods." Tagging, I think, is just for the purpose of cataloging everything we have to work on.--] 18:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **What Hafar said. IMO, we need to find out how well Russian history is currently covered in WP, then we can focus on those areas that are weak. That's why tagging is the first task. Also, producing a catalogue of all the Russian history pages will help experts (the professors we are targeting on H-EarlySlavic and H-Russia) determine what they can do within their specialties. Besides, I seem to be the only one tagging en masse (I've tagged approximately 600 articles so far). If you (KNewman) want to do something else, that's fine too. As for the question of scope, I think we want to be as catholic as possible inorder to draw as many people to the project as possible. As I've said, the tag doesn't say "We own this," it says "We just want to help." -] 19:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***Just in case - a user can monitor articles by adding them to his/her '''watchlist''' (]). ] 19:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ****I'll explain why I tagged Eisenstein, if it helps? Firstly, his films form a major resource for my current works, yet I know too little about the man himself - the article is tagged as requiring cleanup, which is surely the main aim of this project? Secondly, and most importantly, his films - and in particular ''October'' - were crucial in influencing how the Soviet (and Western, for that matter) people viewed their Revolution. For that reason, IMO, he warrants inclusion. Thirdly - whilst I don't currently have the knowledge or time to revise the article myself, perhaps someone involved in this project (or who later becomes involved) may do so, and we all benefit as a result. ] 20:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It becomes more unclear by the moment. Now ] is tagged as in scope. This is rapidly becoming a clone of ], and I don't see the added value of this project anymore. ] 00:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Here's the added value: it brings Russian historians and people interested in Russian history to Misplaced Pages. If you look at the "members" list, you will see a lot of new names, that is, new to Misplaced Pages. Many of these people are professors and students of Russian history (I know many of them personally--I recruited them). I'm sure that some of them have more than a passing interest in the history of Russian music. I, btw, taught Russian history for years at the college level, and I always did a lecture in the survey on 19th century Russian culture, including music. Hence, Mussorgsky belongs. As I've said, if the WikiProject Russia, or WikiProject Russian Music, or WikiProject Mussorgsky, or any other project wants to put its banner on Mussorgsky, great. We could use the help. The idea is to improve the Russian historical content in Misplaced Pages. Anyone can participate, and everyone is invited to do so. -] 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Basically, what you're saying is that you're creating a clone of the ], as anything related to Russia is also related to Russian history. You just aim at other participants. No thanks, one project is more than enough. ] 14:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I agree a defined scope is needed, to be honest. Not everything related to Russia needs tagging as within the scope of this project. I strongly suggest that we collaboratively decide on the scope and stick to it, and discuss marginal cases here and remove the tags if necessary. Otherwise we'll end up tagging everything related to Russia whether it's historical or not. We '''must''' limit the scope or we'll never, ever achieve anything other than adding a banner to every page, and there seems little point expending energy when all we'll do is become clones of WikiProject Russia and Soviet Union.] 17:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::How’s this for a first suggestion as to scope: <i>‘Any person, place, thing or event that might reasonably be included in a college course on Russian history.’ </i> This excludes a lot that is Russian but not ‘historical,’ e.g., Russian pop stars, Russian sports teams, Russian companies, Russian business people, Russian drinks, Russian cloths, Russian highways, Russian mountain ranges, etc., etc. Still, there is going to be some overlap, particularly where the person, place, thing or event continues to exist today, though it was important in ‘Russian history’ (e.g., Moscow, Gorbachev). Thoughts? -] 13:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::That's better - in which case, it would exclude, in my opinion, the Armenian SSR as discussed above, which I would doubt would get more than a passing mention at best in any course on Russian history. Also, for the benefit of those who aren't in the US - could you clarify that 'college' means education post-18? I assume it does. ] 18:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *A suggestion regarding the scope of the project. We need to break it up into higher and lower priorities: For example: a high priority may be articles that fall within the scope of historical study (the analysis of specific eras and events in the Russian history). This may be political, social and cultural history. A lower priority, but still within the scope of the project may be biographical articles (for example, Mussorgsky, Stalin, Witte). They have a definite connection to the political, social and cultural history of Russia. Russian geography (highways, mountain ranges, etc.) is definitely out. Russian food and drink is definitely out, unless we are discussing them in a context of cultural history. Current Russian personalities is a bit of a grey area. Putin, Yeltsin, Gorbachev, Khodorkovsky have historical dimension, as they started exerting their influence since mid-1980s. We need to decide on these. Any suggestions? ] 02:13, 25 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Indentation== | |||
| I see many comments on this talk page use unordered lists for indentation by inserting '*' at the start of the paragraph. While this works and therefore must be considered a good solution, it is more common to use the indentation operator ':'. The advantage is you don't get a superfluous dot which makes it a dot point, and it is therefore easier to read. Here is an example - edit the page to see how it is done. | |||
| :This is indented | |||
| ::This is indented another level. ] 22:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks for the pointer, Phaedrus86. I'll use this form from now on. -] 22:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Next Tasks (After Tagging)== | |||
| Once the tagging is done (soon), I'm going to write the members of both H-EarlySlavic and H-Russia (>2000 scholars) a short note saying "If you want to see what's in Misplaced Pages on Russian History, go to this page." My hope is that some of them will look for their specialities, see that there is much to be done, and join the project. Whatever happens, we need to think about what our next (post-tagging) task is going to be. Thoughts? -] 13:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)it | |||
| :Perhaps the next task could be to identify which articles need the most work, and then work collaboratively using the discussion boards to revise these articles. That wouldn't preclude working on other articles, but it seems wise to me to start with those articles which have major problems. Alternatively, perhaps consider a search for what is not currently present at all on Misplaced Pages and work towards filling the gaps. There is, though, no reason not to run both at the same time. ] 20:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :<p>The one thing that we would need to do is to start looking at the actual articles within the Russian History domain. How are they written, what is the content?. Also I suggest that we start participating in the discussions (see '''discussion''' page on these articles). Sometimes these discussions give an indication on the direction that the article might take in its evolution. We as historians might guide the article into a more balanced and nuanced direction by participating in the discussion as well as in editing the actual articles. Also, from what I saw in the Russian History domain in Misplaced Pages so far, it is extensive and there are lots of "white spots" there. This will need to be an ongoing project, and we will need to approach it gradually. In other words, we should not aim to rewrite the whole article at once (unless this is the only thing that we do :) ); instead we look at the article and see if there are things there that make a particular article problematic as a work of history. These things may include | |||
| ::*factual errors; | |||
| ::*important areas that are are not covered but should; | |||
| ::*no references. | |||
| :We start with these lesser things and go for larger chunks (like restructuring articles or the whole domain) as we become more confident with this domain. ] 06:12, 25 December 2006 (UTC)</p> | |||
| ::I would assume by now that those that have been tagging will be aware of stubs, blank spots etc which could be worked on by this project. I'd suggest compiling a suggestions list for topics requiring either expansion or major revision. Those who have the knowledge or interest could then collaboratively participate (on the discussion boards for those topics) to expand or revise those articles. I would also suggest including here a 'tasks completed' and 'works in progress' list which could be updated every time something major is done, so we keep a firm record of what's going on. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 02:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> | |||
| ==For those who don't know== | |||
| Just want to make sure that new Russophilliac :) (is that the word?) members know about this ]. This way you'll be able to monitor what is currently being done regarding articles on Russia in general (not just history topics). ] 21:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I think that most people in here found out about this WikiProject from New Article announcements. --] 21:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Lobachevsky Article == | |||
| I think it would make sense to remove the article about Russian mathematician Nikolai Lobachevsky from the scope of wikiproject Russian History and transfer it to wikiproject Mathematics since Lobachevsky is important because of his mathematical ideas, research, and discoveries, not because of his impact on Russian history. | |||
| ] 2:34:59 12/26/2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It should be pointed out that it's perfectly normal for an article to be within the scope of multiple WikiProjects. Let's not have any turf wars, please. ] 02:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I'm not trying to have a turf war, the wikiproject about Russian history and the wikiproject about mathematics are both good, I just don't see how Lobachevsky is relevant to Russian history, his importance is in the history of mathematics, not his Russian identity or his impact on Russian history. | |||
| ] 3:18:19 12/26/2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, he's Russian and historical, basically; I doubt that this project is trying for a more complex definition of scope than that. ;-) | |||
| :(Everything is possible, of course; but I'm probably not the best person to comment on that point.) ] 03:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Misplaced Pages Day Awards == | |||
| Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of ] proposal for an appreciation week to end on Misplaced Pages Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at ] where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. ] 20:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Do you have a user account? == | |||
| I read about this WikiProject in the latest issue of the ] and decided to check it out. Once here, I noticed that there were a very large number of ]s for user's ]s, so I decided to give everybody a proper Misplaced Pages ]. What I found a little odd was that a couple of the people listed as "members" did not show up as ]s. That could mean that they did not type there ] correctly (spaces, and except for the first letter, upper and lower case letters are significant), or it could mean they have not yet signed up for a user account under that name. The following are the names that did not have user accounts: ], ], ], ], and ]. | |||
| PS: I hope that this group does very well, and that it becomes a model for the participation of other academic disciplines on the Misplaced Pages. ]] 05:06, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi Blank Verse. Thanks for sending the greetings. I know the good folks in question (all Russian historians) and will contact them by email. And thanks for your best wishes on the project. ] 15:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::It seems from that Christine Dickmeyer is registered as ]. Good luck on the project. ] - ] 00:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Banner Problem == | |||
| For some reason the image "George_novgorod.jpg" has disappeared from the project banner template. It appears in the code (that is, the template includes "Image:George_novogorod.jpg"), but the image doesn't appear in the template. Can't figure it out. Anyone have a fix? ] 14:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Templates on the project page look ok. Can you give a page and a template where the problem occurs? ] 22:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yup, the template is fine. There is something wrong with Firefox on my computer. ] 13:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == English Versions of Russian Names - == | |||
| I am against articles pertaining to Russia being listed under the English version of a name.....for example Michael for Mikhail, George for Georgy, Paul for Pavel, and so forth..... | |||
| I noticed this when I looked at the article on ]....the man's name was '''Mikhail''', not '''Michael''' - his parents did NOT name him Michael. It is the same with the article on ] - the man's name was Georgy, not George! | |||
| Another example of this is the page on the Mikhailovsky Palace, which is put under the ridiculously incorrect name of ]. | |||
| I feel that the actual Russian name should be used - even though the English derivation is the same in essence, they are still different names nonetheless!! | |||
| P.S. - My Grandfather's name was Riccardo, not Richard, and he would have raged had someone made an English version of his name, as they are still different names. | |||
| --] 09:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| HEAR HEAR!!!!! The same thing annoys me with other European history things. Kaiser WILHELM II, NOT WILLIAM II! | |||
| ==Military history of the Soviet Union FAR== | |||
| ] has been nominated for a ]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are ]. Reviewers' concerns are ]. | |||
| ] (]) 16:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I have tagged the ] article as needed the attention of an expert on the subject. I have contacted two of the historians who are mentioned in the references section, inviting them to take a look at it, but I would still appreciate someone from this project taking a look? Thanks, ] 15:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==AfD nomination of ]== | |||
| An article that is in this project, ], has been listed by me for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:adw (modified) --> -- ] 13:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == New article: ] == | |||
| ]. ''—] ] <small>2007-02-06 07:59 Z</small>'' | |||
| == Pages needing the most work == | |||
| I thought that we should make a list of pages that need more work than others. What does anyone else think? ] 16:04, 8 March 2007 | |||
| == ] == | |||
| I am working on the Russian-Circassian War article, hoping to get it to FA some day, all contributions and thoughts welcome! ] 11:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Name for pre-SSR: "Belorussia" vs. "Byelorussia" in US English == | |||
| I've posted this query on the ] and would appreciate input from the ] crew: I need to know the preferred spelling in ] for this region's name when it was part of ]. Is there a particular etymology for either of these variants that indicates which might be the more authoritative? ''-- Thanks, ] 06:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)'' | |||
| ==1993 Russian constitutional crisis== | |||
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| ] 19:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==] needs updating== | |||
| This article uses 1911 Britannica and 19th century historians as only references, yet some argue that it is neutral and reliable. Please comment and - hopefully - improve this article.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 16:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Russian History WikiProject banner == | |||
| The Russian History WikiProject banner has been placed on all pages contained in the History of Russia Category by the time-stamp of this comment. (This doesn't include sub-categories) ] 05:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == The Great Battle of Neva == | |||
| I have been reading some articles of the Russian Wars in this Misplaced Pages serie and regarding what I have read I just begun to think how reliable the Russian views expressed in the articles really are. Maybe much better results can be achieved if two opponents views found from available sources are shown in same article just for comparation. For example the reader who | |||
| read of The Great Battle of Neva is leaved to opinion the young Aleksandr Novgorodian in 1240 | |||
| achived a great victory over the Swedes, Norvegians and Finns coming with tens if not hundreds of ships to Neva River where in confluence of Inkere (Izhora) River Aleksandr won them. | |||
| The only available source so far I have found, is a small mention of bishop Tuomas (Tomas) | |||
| from Åbo / Turku in Finland own arranged crusade without any help of the Swedish King to Neva in 1240 using Roman Catholic Church money. The idea was to turn pagan "Inkerikot" (Ingermanlanders) to Roman Catholic Chistianity, not threating Great Novgorod. It seems that in reality this was a only a small shirmish nothing else. Bishop Tuomas with his men withdrew | |||
| after this shirmish, with so little of importance, that it was not even mentioned in any Swedish | |||
| sources. But for bishop Tuomas it had its own effects. Holy Seat in Rome wanted to know where he had spent church gold. He had to resign in 1245. As far as it is known he left not any written memories behind. That is for sure that Birger Jarl did not have anything to do with | |||
| this unlucky mission. If he had it would for sure been mentioned also in Swedish or Finnish | |||
| written sources. | |||
| Also Aleksandr´s victory in the Great Battle of Peipsenjärv in 1242 has given a totally different story of the battle which never happened lives still strong in Estonia. | |||
| Told at first by the Estonian fishermen who watched what happened and then moved from generation | |||
| to next generation up to this date. Peharps the language barrier is one restricting factor | |||
| when looking available written sources. | |||
| ==A question of style== | |||
| Via taking part in the history of the Orthodox Church in Russia and its border states like Estonia and Finland, I wonder, when discussing the Russian emperors or tsars, which form | |||
| Misplaced Pages prefers to be used: tsar and tsarist, or emperor and imperial? I have changed in the article of the Estonian Orthodox Church tsar into emperor, but I have later started to doubt my decision. --] 08:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| The correct usage depends on the the chronological period. The rulers of unified Russia before Peter I (the Great) were Tsars. Peter himself was Tsar before 1721 and an Emperor from that year. All other pre-revolutionary rulers after Peter were Emperors. Not sure though if Misplaced Pages makes this distinction. --] 10:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| The article ] is under intensive edition by various users. | |||
| I updated it, but copyedit may be required. Will you look at it?<br> | |||
| Please, help to keep it neutral. Consider to include it in your watch list. | |||
| The history of Russia may depend on the ability of people to get the complete and accurate information about past century and recent events. (Even if you are not Russian, you may be interested to have a prosper and peaceful neibour.) ] 11:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == ] current ACID nomination == | |||
| The article above is currently being considered for imporvement as a part of the ]. Any help in pinpointing work required on the article, and if you are so inclined working on the article in the improvement drive, would be greatly appreciated. ] 17:24, 28 June 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Categories == | |||
| The existing categories used to tag Russian history content are a bit of a mess. I (MP) suggest we begin our work by simply collecting what's out there in Wikispace and tagging it with the "History of Russia" category. See task one below. That will give us a good impression of what sorts of category hierarchies (temporal, geographic, national) are currently being employed. Once we are done with that, we can rationalize existing categories, e.g., | |||
| #History of the East Slavs | |||
| ##History of Russia | |||
| ###East Slavic Migrations to Rus' | |||
| #### (etc.) | |||
| ###Kievan Rus' | |||
| ####Foundation of Rus' | |||
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| *] | |||
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| ==FAR on History of Russia== | |||
| ] has been nominated for a ]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are ]. Reviewers' concerns are ]. ] 17:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == History of the Soviet Union == | |||
| Yikes! What the heck happened to ]? Misplaced Pages does not have such a thing as "]". I have eliminated the misleading and broken fake TOC on that article. I strongly suggest that someone move this one to ] and rebuild an actual summary article about the entire history of the Soviet Union (covering at least the years 1922 to 1981). ''—] ] <small>2007-07-21 19:16 Z</small>'' | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Just to let everyone know, we're working on this article a hell of a lot through the irc channel #wikipedia-spotlight (see also: ]). We've added pretty much all of the 105 citations there are now, but we still have 300+ to go and we could use all the help we could get in citing this massive article, if it's not cited then it has a very good (99%) chance of losing it's FA status, and such a critical article has no excuse not being featured - so please help us out.--<small>]]</span></span></small> 03:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sybirkas, Syberian prisoners or...? == | |||
| Please comment at the naming discussion at ].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 10:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == RM at ] == | |||
| RM in progress, please comment.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 11:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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