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Added to the article and reverted- ''While there is, as yet, no fossil evidence to confirm that ''Velociraptor'' had feathers, there is little reason to suspect it of being an exception, apart from avoiding scientific ], as some claim.'' I just want to share how surreal it is as somebody who grew up reading Bakker and Paul to find the concept of feathered dinosaurs being called "dogma" ;) ] 06:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
:Heh. I reverted because it was a rather strange comment to stick in ''Velociraptor'', of all places. <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 06:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not convinced. To my knowledge, except for the Archaeopterix, all fossils with imprints of feathers have been found in the same area in northern China. There is a lively industry of fossil forging in that area: An interesting specimen will sell for perhaps 20 times the average annual income of the area. At this time, feathered fossils are 'hot', because they support a theory that is very much in vogue at the moment (dinosaurs being warm blooded and bird-like). A number of years ago, before the first chinese feathered fossils started pouring in, I saw documentary in which a creationist attempted to discredit the Archaeopterix fossil by forging one. He added feather imprints to an unremarkable fossil of a lizard, that looked remarkably like the ones in the genuine fossil. Though he obviously did not convince me that the German Archaeopterix fossils were fake, he did demonstrate that feather imprints can easily be faked by a skilled artist. Not very long after that documentary was made, feathered fossils started appearing from northern China...

== Arm structure ==

I'm curious as to the arm structure of Velociraptor (and other maniraptorans) with semi-lunate carpal, the lack of pronation of the wrist and limited range of movement. I find it hard to see what advantages this would confer in terms of grabbing or holding prey. Could the limited range of arm movement imply secondary flightlessness in dromaeosaurids such as Velociraptor? (One of the images of ''Velociraptor'', with the stubby wing-like appendages, certainly seems to suggest so). I've seen the mention of secondary flightlessness in this article, but without connection to the arm. ] 03:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

:Paul of course uses this as an argument. Most paleontologists believe in the predatory function of these adaptations. The "wing"folding mechanism would of course in any case be handy to protect the feathers and the lack of pronation seems to be very old. All this has little to do with ''Velociraptor'' per se though.--] 13:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

== Raptor ==

I thought "Raptor" meant 'Bird of Prey', or is the meaning different in Latin? CJDickinson-Leeds, 18:40, 26/02/07<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (]) 18:37, 26 February 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->


== Jurassic Park velociraptors ==
:Yes, in Latin it simply means "robber". No special association with birds was present.--] 07:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


The jurassic park velociraptors are based off of deinonychus, AKA Velociraptor antirrhopus. Velociraptor (Deinonychus) in the movie is named correctly but is commonly confused with Velociraptor mongoliensis. {{cite web |last1=Black |first1=Riley |title=You say "Velociraptor," I say "Deinonychus" |url=https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/you-say-velociraptor-i-say-deinonychus-33789870/ |website=www.smithsonianmag.com |publisher=Smithsonian |accessdate=11 February 2020}}
== More species? ==
:The book and movie didn't name them correctly, they used "velociraptor" because it sounded cooler, while they were actually thinking of Deinonychus. This is mentioned in several places. They intentionally used the wrong name. ] (]) 21:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I have a personal record of other species, ''V. montanus'' and ''V. utahsiensis.'' Can anyone else verify these? ] 18:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
:That is already mentioned in the article. ] (]) 17:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
:As far as I know, neither of those are published, and I can't find them on Google, so they shouldn't be in the article. ] 22:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I understand that, but I think the page should have a section about the differences between velociraptor mongoliensis and velociraptor antirrhopus. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::They sound oddly familiar, and ''Velociraptor'' is an Asian genus, so they don't make much sense, which leads me to guess they may be "fanwanked" binomials for the creatures Grant was digging up in Jurassic Park... ] 02:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:That is literally covered in the article already. "They portrayed the animals with the size, proportions, and snout shape of ''Deinonychus'' rather than ''Velociraptor''." '']'' (] &#124; ]) 17:42, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
::As J states, no Google hits for "V. utahsiensis" (bad spelling?) or "Velociraptor utahensis" (more likely spelling). Without a reliable source (like a paper or mention in a reliable source), this cannot be added to the article. <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 02:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::In the wider sense, we could have more about diagnostic features of Velociraptor and how it differs from other dromaeosaurs in general. But there is no reason to focus specifically on its differences with Deinonychus just because of a movie. ] (]) 21:36, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Fair point, many of our older FAs could use some discussion of diagnostic features... '']'' (] &#124; ]) 21:53, 12 February 2020
I think the article should at least mention the existence of Velociraptor Antirrhopus (Using the name Velociraptor Antirrhopus instead of deinonychus). I also think that when talking about the jurassic park velociraptor inaccuracies we should mention that it is accurate in size to antirrhopus, not mongoliensis, which this article is about. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Merging of the "Velociraptor in popular culture" article into this? ==
== Utahraptor and Jurassic Park ==


Much of the article ''Velociraptor in popular culture'' already has what this article (and the ''Deinonychus'' article) talks about under the "Cultural significance" section, and is almost entirely made up of what this article's section covers with similar cited sources. It also has a number of uncited (and potentially "headcanon") claims, and its overall layout goes against as to what Misplaced Pages's goal is.
A disputed line has been added and reverted twice now to the pop culture section.
:''" (Ironically, at the time of the film's release, a new raptor had been discovered, '']'', which was the size of the film's largest ''velociraptor'', the "Big Female".)''"
First of all, as far as I know even the smallest ''Utahraptor'' are at the very least 15ft in length. I don't have a cite for the length of the raptors in the movie, but I seriously doubt they were that big, and I usually hear a length of about 20+ ft for ''Utahraptor'' (and I understand new specimens may put this upwards of 30), so suggesting the JP raptors were "''Utahraptor'' size" is simply false. Second, and I've seen the movie more times than I care to count, but all the raptors looked equal in size to me. I know there was a "big female" line from Muldoon, but was one seriously larger when the raptors actually appeared? Third, ironic doesn't mean that unless you're alanis Morrisett... ;) and fourth, I don't see any relevence here. This is an article about ''Velociraptor'', not ''Utahraptor'' or ''Jurassic Park''. ] 12:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:I agree on all counts. Not really relevant here, for the reasons you've mentioned. <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 15:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::You can remove it if you wish as per that it's not strictly related to the article, but the information itself is quiet accurate. Robert Bakker talks about this in his novel '']''. Jus' so you knows. <span style="color:#ff9900;">] </span><sup><nowiki>(</nowiki><small>]</small> / <small>]</small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 15:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::If you can cite his specific claims, and address how they relate to more modern science (Raptor Red is over a decade old isn't it?), it would certainly be welcome in ]. Bakker is, unfortunately, pretty infamous for his hyperbole and exaggerated claims in popular works, so this material should be treated carefully. ] 03:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Velociraptor_in_popular_culture
== the deal??? ==


Could this be where both ''Velociraptor'' and ''Velociraptor in popular culture'' can be merged together, considering how much of its layout is made up of what the ''Velociraptor'' article covers already in one section? ] (]) 21:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
whats the deal with every dinosaur suddenly being shown with feathers?? up until about 3 years ago i had heard almost nothing about feathered dinosaurs except about small flying ones, but now everybodies jumped on the bandwagon and dressin em all up in feathers. so can someone please tell me and prove that nearly all, or at least A LOT (in most cases it seems that), dinos had feathers?!??!@!//|#*%"$%:?!!£
:I'd agree with that. ] (]) 21:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
:Not most dinosaurs, just most ]n ]s. Check out ]. ] 22:24, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:'''Support''' merge, though the merged material will need some condensing into a more concise form. Happy editing, ] (]) 02:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
::Most people didn't know Brontosaurus had been "re-named" until decades after the fact. These things take time to sink in ;) ] 13:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't even think most people know that now! ] 16:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


== Is there a bug in the website? ==
The point is that maybe Velociraptor as a species was VERY diverse, with many races/breeds. as in dogs or humans.


Why am I seeing a Jurassic World Velociraptor image? And when I click the image, why does it turns back to the accurate reconstruction? (BTW this happens when I'm using a computer not my phone, so I find this very weird.) ] (]) 09:43, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps some Velociraptor races/breeds were fully covered in feathers, others partially covered, others none at all. ANd don't even get me started on the variety of colors that they could have come in. --] 16:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:That is very strange. It's fine for me on desktop, and neither the article nor the image have changed recently. If you have a screenshot maybe you could try posting at ]? ] (<sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>) 11:32, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
:You realize there weren't any humans around in the Cretaceous to breed the Velociraptor version of the sphinx cat, right? Think about how often total loss of hair or feathers happens in modern animals that aren't extremely large, aquatic, burrowing, or artificially-selected, and then think again about how likely you think it was that any ''Velociraptor'' species was totally lacking in feathers. ] 19:11, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't see that on this page. Which image? For instance if I click on the first image, then click on "More details" it goes to a page which says at the top File:Velociraptor skeleton white background.jpg. Thanks. &nbsp;]&#124;] 11:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
::Hi, I also noticed the issue Junsik1223 mentioned. The problematic image is File:Velociraptor Restoration.png in the Paleobiology "Feathers" section. In the actual article, the image appears to be of a velociraptor from Jurassic World, but if I click on the image or go to "More details", it shows a picture of an orange velociraptor with feathers. -- ] (]) 21:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:::File:Velociraptor_mongoliensis.jpg in the Paleoenvironment "Djadochta Formation" section also has the same issue. -- ] (]) 22:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
::::Must be something with your cache, that revision of the image has long been deleted, as you can see if you click on the thumbnail and see the full image. Try purging the page. ] (]) 23:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::I tried purging the page, but the issue is still there. I'm going to take it to ]. -- ] (]) 23:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
::::::Ok, TheDJ did something with the files and it should be fixed now. -- ] (]) 16:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


*Must be a cache issue, someone replaced a lot of dromaeosaur restorations with JW images, but I reverted and deleted them some time ago. ] (]) 12:09, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
What you are failing to grasp is that in every species there are RACES. in other words, not every single member of the same species will be of the same colour or have the exact same minor physical features... it has been like that forever.. Look at humand. a black man looks nothing like a white one.. not just in color but in ohysical appearance.
--] 05:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Lack of feathers is a ''major'', not minor, physical difference. It would be like one "]" (a concept that was scientifically disproven over half a century ago, in the sense you're using it) of humans having fins. Anyway, even if it's possible, there's no reason whatever to think it happened. It's possible some ''Velociraptor'' subspecies existed that had tiger stripes, while others had polka dots. Unless there's some kind of actual evidence, such pointless speculation has no place in an encyclopedia article. Especially when all modern scientists, including the ones who think birds are not dinosaur relatives, support the idea that ''Velociraptor'' and all dromaeosaurs had feathers. ] 05:34, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:You prefer instead?_] 05:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


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== Based on this website (certified by NSF). Velociraptors lived between -89 Ma to -72 Ma. ==
==Raptors==
The word 'raptor' refers also to a bird of prey. The Toronto Raptors are named after birds of prey, not dinosaurs. {{unsigned|70.255.238.152}}
:Why do they have dromaeosaurids on their jerseys and a dromaeosaurid mascot, then? ] 05:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not true, 70. Haven't you seen ]? That's clearly not a bird of prey: it lacks feathers and has teeth. <font color="#0000FF">]</font> 05:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


https://paleobiodb.org/classic/checkTaxonInfo?taxon_no=38564&is_real_user=1 ] (]) 14:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


== Am I mistaken, or does the intro to the article contradict itself on the size of the Velociraptor? ==
==Bias==
This page is biased. It says nothing about ] Since Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be biased, we need a balance between Evolution and Creationism. I personally don't tink dinosaurs have feathers, and am loath to beleive an evolutionist claim, but we still should keep that in here.
:What would you have the article include? Creationism attaches the creation of all life to a higher power. If you're going to mention it in this article, you should logically visit every article on a living thing and put something into all of them. Additionally, it's inaccurate to say that a balance is needed between Evolutionism and Creationism, since that incorrectly suggests that they are the two viewpoints opposing each other here. In reality, it's more like Creationism and ].--] 02:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)


It at one point says Velociraptor could reach as tall as 6.8ft, but then goes on to say that they were not as big as the 6.6ft dinosaurs depicted in Jurassic Park. ] (]) 04:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
== size estimates ==


:It says ''Velociraptor'' could be 6.8 feet ''long'', not 6.8 feet ''tall''. Because ''Velociraptor'''s back was horizontal and it had a long tail, it was about six feet long but only about two feet tall. The Jurassic Park ''Velociraptor''s were six feet ''tall''. ] (]) 16:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm having trouble finding the size estimates in the linked citation. In Greg Paul's Predatory Dinosaurs of the World (p. 369-370), he estimates 2.07 m long, 0.5 m at the hips, and 15 kg for Fighting GI100/25. ] 15:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
::It also says they are about the size of a turkey which does not seem to be correct. ] (]) 04:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
:Norell (1999) provides detailed length data for several specimens (though not 100/25, unless the number is different when using the IGN label rather than GI?). Could we add these up and check to see if it matches the various cited sizes? ] 00:47, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Agree it is quite confusing. Turkeys are not 1.5–2.07 m long. Per ]: {{tq|An adult male normally weighs from 5 to 11 kg (11 to 24 lb) and measures 100–125 cm (39–49 in) in length}}. ] (]) 18:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
::Huh. Why wasn't Norell (1999) cited then, instead of Norell and Mackovicky (1999)? ] 02:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
::::If turkeys were the same overall size but had a long tail like ''Velociraptor'' they would be much more than 125 cm long. Domestic turkeys can reach nearly 40 kg, which is actually probably ''larger'' than a ''Velociraptor'' by mass. In other words, ''Velociraptor'' is slightly larger than a wild turkey and smaller but more elongate than a large domestic turkey—I think that it's fair to say it's "roughly the size of a turkey" given that. ] (]) 03:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
:::Norell & Mackoviky 199 is the one I meant. I believe if you add up the skull and vert lengths listed in the various tables, the length ends up at 1.8m for the largest specimen, but I'll double check this (though, would that be original research? I'd lean toward no, since it's just simple math, like our metric to US unit conversions). ] 06:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::More importantly, though, the turkey part is unsourced, and only stated in the intro, which should not contain info not present in the article body. So we'll have to remove it regardless of how accurate it is if we can't find a reliable source for it. ] (]) 06:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Actually, now that I check the vert length table, there are no complete specimens to add up, and I reckon it would be OR to extropolate up from the necessary bones in less complete specimens. So maybe going with Paul 1988 for stats would be best, unless a more modern source gives a concrete total length estimate for any specimens... ] 06:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::We can use PDotW as a placeholder for the time being; it's not particularly different from what's up there anyway. ] 00:45, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

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Jurassic Park velociraptors

The jurassic park velociraptors are based off of deinonychus, AKA Velociraptor antirrhopus. Velociraptor (Deinonychus) in the movie is named correctly but is commonly confused with Velociraptor mongoliensis. Black, Riley. "You say "Velociraptor," I say "Deinonychus"". www.smithsonianmag.com. Smithsonian. Retrieved 11 February 2020.

The book and movie didn't name them correctly, they used "velociraptor" because it sounded cooler, while they were actually thinking of Deinonychus. This is mentioned in several places. They intentionally used the wrong name. The andf (talk) 21:29, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
That is already mentioned in the article. FunkMonk (talk) 17:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

I understand that, but I think the page should have a section about the differences between velociraptor mongoliensis and velociraptor antirrhopus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeatsByDrDre (talk • contribs) 15:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

That is literally covered in the article already. "They portrayed the animals with the size, proportions, and snout shape of Deinonychus rather than Velociraptor." Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 17:42, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
In the wider sense, we could have more about diagnostic features of Velociraptor and how it differs from other dromaeosaurs in general. But there is no reason to focus specifically on its differences with Deinonychus just because of a movie. FunkMonk (talk) 21:36, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Fair point, many of our older FAs could use some discussion of diagnostic features... Lythronaxargestes (talk | contribs) 21:53, 12 February 2020

I think the article should at least mention the existence of Velociraptor Antirrhopus (Using the name Velociraptor Antirrhopus instead of deinonychus). I also think that when talking about the jurassic park velociraptor inaccuracies we should mention that it is accurate in size to antirrhopus, not mongoliensis, which this article is about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MeatsByDrDre (talk • contribs) 17:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Merging of the "Velociraptor in popular culture" article into this?

Much of the article Velociraptor in popular culture already has what this article (and the Deinonychus article) talks about under the "Cultural significance" section, and is almost entirely made up of what this article's section covers with similar cited sources. It also has a number of uncited (and potentially "headcanon") claims, and its overall layout goes against as to what Misplaced Pages's goal is.

Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/Velociraptor_in_popular_culture

Could this be where both Velociraptor and Velociraptor in popular culture can be merged together, considering how much of its layout is made up of what the Velociraptor article covers already in one section? 2600:1700:9770:6760:E4B1:EC23:7962:964B (talk) 21:15, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

I'd agree with that. FunkMonk (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Support merge, though the merged material will need some condensing into a more concise form. Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 02:02, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Is there a bug in the website?

Why am I seeing a Jurassic World Velociraptor image? And when I click the image, why does it turns back to the accurate reconstruction? (BTW this happens when I'm using a computer not my phone, so I find this very weird.) Junsik1223 (talk) 09:43, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

That is very strange. It's fine for me on desktop, and neither the article nor the image have changed recently. If you have a screenshot maybe you could try posting at WP:VPT? Ivanvector (/Edits) 11:32, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
I don't see that on this page. Which image? For instance if I click on the first image, then click on "More details" it goes to a page which says at the top File:Velociraptor skeleton white background.jpg. Thanks.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  11:37, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I also noticed the issue Junsik1223 mentioned. The problematic image is File:Velociraptor Restoration.png in the Paleobiology "Feathers" section. In the actual article, the image appears to be of a velociraptor from Jurassic World, but if I click on the image or go to "More details", it shows a picture of an orange velociraptor with feathers. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 21:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
File:Velociraptor_mongoliensis.jpg in the Paleoenvironment "Djadochta Formation" section also has the same issue. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 22:15, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Must be something with your cache, that revision of the image has long been deleted, as you can see if you click on the thumbnail and see the full image. Try purging the page. FunkMonk (talk) 23:11, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
I tried purging the page, but the issue is still there. I'm going to take it to WP:VPT. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Ok, TheDJ did something with the files and it should be fixed now. -- KomradeKalashnikov (talk) 16:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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Based on this website (certified by NSF). Velociraptors lived between -89 Ma to -72 Ma.

https://paleobiodb.org/classic/checkTaxonInfo?taxon_no=38564&is_real_user=1 84.14.94.232 (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Am I mistaken, or does the intro to the article contradict itself on the size of the Velociraptor?

It at one point says Velociraptor could reach as tall as 6.8ft, but then goes on to say that they were not as big as the 6.6ft dinosaurs depicted in Jurassic Park. 2600:4040:9165:CA00:4968:B6CB:4178:1565 (talk) 04:09, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

It says Velociraptor could be 6.8 feet long, not 6.8 feet tall. Because Velociraptor's back was horizontal and it had a long tail, it was about six feet long but only about two feet tall. The Jurassic Park Velociraptors were six feet tall. Ornithopsis (talk) 16:46, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
It also says they are about the size of a turkey which does not seem to be correct. 69.181.154.23 (talk) 04:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Agree it is quite confusing. Turkeys are not 1.5–2.07 m long. Per turkey: An adult male normally weighs from 5 to 11 kg (11 to 24 lb) and measures 100–125 cm (39–49 in) in length. Vpab15 (talk) 18:17, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
If turkeys were the same overall size but had a long tail like Velociraptor they would be much more than 125 cm long. Domestic turkeys can reach nearly 40 kg, which is actually probably larger than a Velociraptor by mass. In other words, Velociraptor is slightly larger than a wild turkey and smaller but more elongate than a large domestic turkey—I think that it's fair to say it's "roughly the size of a turkey" given that. Ornithopsis (talk) 03:54, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
More importantly, though, the turkey part is unsourced, and only stated in the intro, which should not contain info not present in the article body. So we'll have to remove it regardless of how accurate it is if we can't find a reliable source for it. FunkMonk (talk) 06:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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