Latest revision as of 21:08, 10 February 2023

After considering /Evidence and discussing proposals with other Arbitrators, parties and others at /Workshop, Arbitrators may place proposals which are ready for voting here. Arbitrators should vote for or against each point or abstain. Only items that receive a majority "support" vote will be passed. Conditional votes for or against and abstentions should be explained by the Arbitrator before or after his/her time-stamped signature. For example, an Arbitrator can state that she/he would only favor a particular remedy based on whether or not another remedy/remedies were passed. Only Arbitrators or Clerks should edit this page; non-Arbitrators may comment on the talk page.

For this case, there are 9 active Arbitrators, so 5 votes are a majority.

Motions and requests by the parties

Place those on /Workshop. Motions which are accepted for consideration and which require a vote will be placed here by the Arbitrators for voting.
Motions have the same majority for passage as the final decision.

Scope

1) Passed on 17:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

This matter concerns all disruptive editing related to Estonian-Russian ethnic conflict, particularly those who edited regarding the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn controversy. Any editor reasonably believed to have engaged in disruptive editing may be noticed in and evidence may be presented regarding them. If evidence is presented regarding an editor, they should be noticed in.

Support:

1. Fred Bauder 19:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
2. FloNight♥♥♥ 17:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
3. Kirill 00:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
4. James F. (talk) 13:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

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Support:

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Proposed temporary injunctions

Four net "support" votes needed to pass (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
24 hours from the first vote is normally the fastest an injunction will be imposed.

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Proposed final decision

Proposed principles

Misplaced Pages is not a battleground

1) Misplaced Pages is a reference work. Use of the site for political or ideological struggle accompanied by harassment of opponents is extremely disruptive.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Courtesy

2) Misplaced Pages users are expected to behave reasonably and calmly in their dealings with other users. Insulting and intimidating other users harms the community by creating a hostile environment. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Consensus

3) Misplaced Pages works by building consensus through the use of polite discussion. The dispute resolution process is designed to assist consensus-building when normal talk page communication has not worked. Sustained edit-warring is not an appropriate method of resolving disputes, and is wasteful of resources and destructive to morale.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Keeping one's cool

4) Editors are expected to keep their cool when editing. Uncivil behavior by others should not be returned in kind. Casual allegations of poor wikiquette are considered harmful; such concerns should be brought up in appropriate forums, if at all.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

At wit's end

5) In cases where all reasonable attempts to control the spread of disruption arising from long-term disputes have failed, the Committee may be forced to adopt seemingly draconian measures as a last resort for preventing further damage to the encyclopedia.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 23:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

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Proposed findings of fact

Locus of dispute

1) The current dispute revolves around various topics in Estonian history—particulary post-World War II history—and is essentially a part of the broader long-term disputes prevalent over the entire range of articles dealing with Eastern European history.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Disagree with second part of the sentence. There are a lot of hotspots in Eastern Europe but not all of them are related. eg, the Balkan disputes, Macedonian disputes do not tie into things edited by the editors specifically mentioned here, which is about Russia related domination of some countries (usually former USSR countries and neighbours like Poland). Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Alexia Death

2) Alexia Death (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in a variety of disruptive behavior, including sustained edit-warring (, , , , , , , , , ) as well as incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith (, ).

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Digwuren

3) Digwuren (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in a variety of disruptive behavior, including sustained edit-warring (, , , , , , , , , , ) and attempts to interfere with Misplaced Pages process (, , ), as well as incivility, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith, and repeated attempts to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground (, , , , , , , ).

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Mackensen (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Irpen and Piotrus

4) Irpen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Piotrus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) have a long history of personal disputes. Their interaction since Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus has continued to be confrontational.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Irpen

5) Irpen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in personal attacks, incivility, and assumptions of bad faith (, , , , , , , ).

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Mackensen (talk) 23:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Petri Krohn

6) Petri Krohn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in a variety of disruptive behavior, including sustained edit-warring (, , , , , , , , , , , ) as well as incivility, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith, and repeated attempts to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground (, , , , , ).

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

RJ_CG

7) RJ_CG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in sustained edit-warring (, , , , , ) as well as incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith ().

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Suva

8) Suva (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in incivility, personal attacks, assumptions of bad faith, and repeated attempts to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground (, , , ).

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Ghirlandajo

9) Ghirlandajo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has engaged in personal attacks, incivility, and assumptions of bad faith (, , , , , ).

Support:

1. Kirill 19:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Mackensen (talk) 00:13, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Sander Säde

10) Sander Säde (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), formerly editing as DLX (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), has engaged in incivility, personal attacks, and assumptions of bad faith (, , , , , , ).

Support:

1. Kirill 11:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

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Support:

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Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Alexia Death restricted

1) Alexia Death (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. She is limited to one revert per page per week (excepting obvious vandalism), and is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. Should she exceed this limit or fail to discuss a content reversion, or make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, she may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. In favour of the general restriction. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Digwuren banned

2) Digwuren (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned from Misplaced Pages for a period of one year.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Irpen restricted

3) Irpen (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He shall not interact with or comment in any way (directly or indirectly) about Piotrus on any page in Misplaced Pages. Should he do so, or make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Unenforceable (unless article territory is marked out specifically). Topics of editing overlap heavily, due to geographic reasons and their interest in military conflicts involving both countries, for example. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

1. As a comment, this is essentially a personality clash ban combined with a general probation. I'm not yet sure whether this and the below measure for Piotrus are fully needed. James F. (talk) 21:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Piotrus restricted

4) Piotrus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He shall not interact with or comment in any way (directly or indirectly) about Irpen on any page in Misplaced Pages. Should he do so, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Unenforceable (unless article territory is marked out specifically). Topics of editing overlap heavily, due to geographic reasons and their interest in military conflicts involving both countries, for example. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Petri Krohn banned

5) Petri Krohn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is banned from Misplaced Pages for a period of one year.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. James F. (talk) 18:21, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

RJ_CG restricted

6) RJ_CG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. He is limited to one revert per page per week (excepting obvious vandalism), and is required to discuss any content reversions on the page's talk page. Should he exceed this limit or fail to discuss a content reversion, or make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. In favour of the general restriction. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Suva restricted

7) Suva (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. Should he make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 14:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. In favour of the general restriction. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Editors warned

8) All editors are warned that future attempts to use Misplaced Pages as a battleground—in particular, by making generalized accusations that persons of a particular national or ethnic group are engaged in Holocaust denial or harbor Nazi sympathies—may result in the imposition of summary bans when the matter is reported to the Committee. This applies both to the parties to this case as well as to any other editor that may choose to engage in such conduct.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Fred Bauder 19:13, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 22:44, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

Ghirlandajo restricted

9) Ghirlandajo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. Should he make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 19:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. In favour of the general restriction. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

Sander Säde restricted

10) Sander Säde (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is subject to an editing restriction for one year. Should he make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below.

Support:

1. Kirill 11:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Second choice Fred Bauder 18:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. In favour of the general restriction. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

General restriction

11) Any editor working on topics related to Eastern Europe, broadly defined, may be made subject to an editing restriction at the discretion of any uninvolved administrator. The restriction shall specify that, should the editor make any edits which are judged by an administrator to be uncivil, personal attacks, or assumptions of bad faith, he may be blocked for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling below. Before the restriction shall come into effect for a particular editor, that editor shall be given an official notice of it with a link to this decision.

Support:

1. Kirill 01:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
2. This is shades of Hkelkar 2, and I'd much prefer this to any individual remedies, although we may wish to tighten the language. Mackensen (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. First choice Fred Bauder 17:59, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
5. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
6. This gives our remedy the best chance to work. Yes, as I'm hopeful that these established editors will take our finding to heart and try to work more collaboratively. I prefer this to keep newer users from gaining the upper hand by bashing our established editors over the head with our decision at the time these established users are trying to adjust their conduct to match our remedies. FloNight♥♥♥ 14:52, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
7. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

1. Far too broad and open to gaming. eg, see definition of Eastern Europe. eg, this would cover the areas such as the balkans. Does this then override the Dalmatia case, which is also in Eastern Europe? This dispute is mostly about things pertaining to conflict (military and cultural domination type stuff) between Russia/USSR and its neighbours. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Abstain:

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Proposed enforcement

Enforcement by block

1) Should any user subject to an editing restriction in this case violate that restriction, they may be briefly blocked, up to a week in the event of repeated violations. After 5 blocks, the maximum block shall increase to one month. All blocks are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Digwuren#Log of blocks and bans.

Support:

1. Kirill 22:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Fred Bauder 19:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
3. James F. (talk) 20:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
5. jpgordon 22:15, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
6. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oppose:

Abstain:

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Abstain:

Discussion by Arbitrators

General

Motion to close

Implementation notes

Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.

• Passing at this time are:
  • All proposed principles (1 to 5);
  • All proposed findings of fact (1 to 10);
  • Proposed remedies 2, 5, 8, and 11;
  • Proposed enforcement 1.

Cbrown1023 talk 22:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Updated Newyorkbrad 22:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Vote

Four net "support" votes needed to close case (each "oppose" vote subtracts a "support")
24 hours from the first motion is normally the fastest a case will close.

1. Close; I think we have all we need here. Kirill 22:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
2. Close. FloNight♥♥♥ 23:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
3. Close Fred Bauder 17:04, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
4. Close. --jpgordon 18:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)