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it is known as DrakeCircus shopping centre because it is next to the Drake Circus area. Maybe i should publish an article titled "Plymouth is Silverstall" or "London is Spud-u-like". lol
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== Website ==
==" When that firm ceased trading in the UK the complex gradually became derelict."==
err i am sure the silverstall would have something to say about this as i seem to remember that Drake Circus boomed once C&A moved out because they were replaced by a huge pound shop and Next clearance.
"Drake Circus is a Shopping Centre"
ROTFLOAM - it is known as DrakeCircus shopping centre because it is next to the Drake Circus area. Maybe i should publish an article titled "Plymouth is Silverstall" or "London is Spud-u-like". In any event why is there an article on Drake circus shopping centre in the first place? why not have an article on very single shop in the UK - it seems ridiculous to include. ] 11:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)resident of Drake Circus
:Perhaps the raised blood pressure has prevented you from seeing that there are two articles. This one is specifically named ] which refers directly to the shopping centre and another one ] which refers directly to the area. To me that differentiates one from the other. I fail to see what the argument is. ---- ] 11:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


I cannot revert Whiteworks i.e. add the link to the website back, because it is blacklisted. Please can a sysop do this for me. '''] ] ]''' 13:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
"I fail to see what the argument is"
:It's blacklisted locally. It does appear to be appropriate to have that URL there: it's the official website (as far as I can tell) of the topic of the page and the infobox has a field specifically designed for such URLs so clearly it's normal to have them. However, the site is used problematically on ''other'' pages. I don't know how narrowly it can be whitelisted. Waiting for input from admin who blacklisted it... ] (]) 05:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
so you think to call our university campus a shopping centre is accurate? The semantics are crucial as this artcile in its present form is equivalent to an artcile being titled "Stanford University is superdrug".
::Sorry - no longer an admin so can't help. It was being spammed across many pages at one stage so if it were me I would not de-list it. Not as though it is vital to the project! --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 08:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I could not care less that you want to spam the encyclopedia with banal references to the shops you are so eager to publicise all i ask is that you do so without linking it to the University or Arts Centre area. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Concurred it's not critical here...much ado about little? If you feel strongly it should be added, ] is the place to request. Make sure to cross-link the discussion here<->there so we can track this, given the nature of the sock-drawer that lurks here. ] (]) 10:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::::It's already started being discussed at ], though a few extra voices couldn't harm. --] 12:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::For clarity - it was me who actually listed it having got p*ssed off reverting it in a multitude of strange places (including IIRC my own user page!). --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 12:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


Despite all the discussion it still hasn't been added back. Even if an administrator added it back, how long would it be before the certain disruptive user removes it again? I believe it is all the same user, who probably added the link to random places, so it could get blacklisted and so that this very problem would erupt. If Smalljim was here, he would've reverted it by now. '''] ] ]''' 16:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
----is the only fully covered shopping centre in the South West. It creates and provides jobs for local people which generates income tax to support the students and their studies. Perhaps you should not bite the hand that feeds and remember that unlike the students we actually provide a service to the community. Our name was taken from the old shopping mall and it is what we are known by to the many thousands of happy returning customers. If you feel strongly about this issue then i suggest the university changes it campus name to something more appropiate such as 'Tax-drain' or 'loser-ville' ] 12:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)Paul Rich----
:Admins are not immune to the blacklist...we can't "just revert its removal" any more any non-admins or anonIP can. ] (]) 18:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
::That's a bummer. Is there any thing that we can add the URL to that means it can be added to ''only'' this article? '''] ] ]''' 18:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes, see ] - ] (]) 17:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


''"drake circus is the only fully covered shopping centre in the south west"''


==Location==
mmm so is really only a mirage and that large complex housing sainsburys et all is in fact a hologram?


Couched within rapidly deleted demonstrations of a continuing inability to digest what's clearly written in the green box above, persons unknown seem to be making a single reasonable point. Google says the shopping mall is , not quite where the article says it is. The part of the name of the graphic that seems to indicate location is (with spaces inserted to avoid the need for lateral scrolling): ''Point.latitude_e6=50371606 &Point.longitude_e6=4290829871 &Point.iconid=15&Point=e& latitude_e6=50371606& longitude_e6=4290829871.'' I'm not sure how to parse that; perhaps somebody else could have a bash at it. -- ] (]) 15:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
''"Perhaps you should not bite the hand"''
:What does this have to do with Misplaced Pages? '''] ] ]''' 16:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


*Article meets criteria for inclusion based on in-depth mention in multiple reliable sources. It has already been through AfD discussion, where it was found to be viable and not an ad. Remember, WP isn't about how you perceive something in lay-language, but about how it relates to WP guidelines and policies. Please don't waste your time debating ''that''...you'll need quite clear and convincing reasons how it is totally non-viable under those guidelines. ] (]) 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Methinks with 27,000 students that is exactly what you have done. The socio-economic impact of on the local economy is enormous. Every organization in every sector can benefit from tapping into the
::Additional to that, the original Drake Circus article was deleted via AfD because it was discovered that Drake Circus is not an official area and is just an area of streets with an unofficial nickname. Also it was decided that the area itself was not inherently notable based on WP's rules. Then add to that the amount of vandalism emanating from the local Student's Union (which is continuing based on the local BT Broadband owned IP addresses involved in ongoing trolling and disruption) it was deemed more convenient to redirect the Drake Circus article here. --] 21:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


'''Tax-drain'''


This derisory comment, like the article, is barely worthy of comment - suffice to say that with 4000 overseas students each generating an average fee income of £7,000 amounting to an estimated £28,000,000 per annum I think you will find it generates a little more than a few shops in your mall selling tacky Chinese imports, particulary when you factor in the remaining 23,000 students who it is estimated generate a further £115,000,000 into the local economy.


===Back to the subject: ''location''===
The Drake Circus area has deep historical and cultural links to the heritage of Plymouth and to state or imply that it is nothing more than a shopping mall emphasizes the ridicule previously directed at this mis-informed article. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


This thread has taken a very bizarre direction while I slept. I understand that thinking people among you have been distracted by whack-a-troll, but the very first response does seem directed at my original post, and the question ''What does this have to do with Misplaced Pages?'' puzzles me.
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So I'll try again.
Before i leave i could not help but observe the content on above the stub reads


The article is of course about DCSC and has two location links for this. They're the same: ''50°22′20″N 4°08′16″W / 50.37222°N 4.13778°W / 50.37222; -4.13778.'' I clicked on one of the pair. The page gave various options; I clicked on the Google Maps option. I was presented with a map with a pointer to a place I'll call '''A'''.
'''"Spudulike is a British fast food franchise operation, begun in Edinburgh in 1974.It provides fresh and healthy food at a price which satisifes every budget and taste. The Plymouth store can be found at the DrakeCircus Shopping Centre, Charlotte Street, Plymouth, PL1 1EA Its product is baked potatoes (potatoes being known as 'spuds' in colloquial British English), with a wide range of fillings. Today it has a nationwide presence."'''


In another window, I went to DCSC's own website. It's a boring affair but I think it can be trusted to show where the place is. It has a "getting here" page, www.drakecircus.com/getting-here , which has a map (unfortunately stylized) that shows DCSC as at a place I'll call '''B'''. This is close to but not the same as '''A'''.
I see previous attempts to edit out the above content were blocked or removed by the same administrators who exercise their powers over this article. Out of interest could you enlighten others as to how this content improves or adds to their academic furtherance aside from stating the correct geographical location of the mall i.e Charlotte Street, (Bretonside).


I then opened a third Window, and asked Google Maps where DCLC was. It gave me a map showing DCSC at '''B'''.


I infer that the article gives the wrong coordinates for its subject. And what this has to do with Misplaced Pages is misinformation.
DrakeCircus shopping mall is no more notable than any other shop or shopping mall. It is blatant spam and used to promote a commercial interest. If you wish to state publicly that Drake Circus is purely a shopping mall and not an area or address of the university, museum and various other organizations, then you should be put on notice that they will institute legal proceedings against you for the considerable damage you are causing. For example every degree, be it Masters, Bachelor or Doctorate etc issued by the University refers on it to the registered address 'drake circus' If attempts to misrepresent that address by implying or expressing that it is purely a shopping centre then expect a class lawsuit against you and the editors and owners of Misplaced Pages in particular but not limited to, the lowering of the reputation of the University and the devaluation of the issued degrees. Moreover the businesses within that district have been associated with the name Drake Circus for over 160 years and to suggest otherwise is a blatant libel. You have been warned. Yiwentang 14:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)yiwenTang


I was so sleepy at 15:35 somebody-else's-time that I didn't notice that the complex filename ''does'' appear give the coordinates of a single point, viz ''50.371606 -4.290829871.'' However, that's a considerable change of longitude and I can only infer that Google Maps is using some other reference point for its internal purposes. -- ] (]) 00:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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:The coordinates are out by a few metres. They're still ontop of the shopping centre. If you want to change it then go on Google Earth and get the coordinates yourself. '''] ] ]''' 00:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
: I assume you will also be threatening , , , , etc? Please read ] and follow the guidance there. --] 14:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


::I am not familiar with Google Earth; you seem to be. I know next to nothing about this shopping mall other than what I read in this article; you seem to know it rather better. You think the coordinates are out by a few metres; please fix them. Thank you. -- ] (]) 01:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Unlike previous versions of this article at no stage have the BBC or the plymouth city council etc ever stated that Drake Circus was 'solely and exclusively' a shopping mall. Moreover all of them have acknowledged the existance of the shops that have been located in Drake Circus for the past 160 years. To suggest that Drake Circus is purely a shopping mall is both misleading and wholly inaccurate. To include a page on a group of shops whilst randomly excluding other shops or interests in that area is a violation of the Competition Acts. Moreover as the BBC own the Armada Shopping Centre they are only too well aware of the need to take action against those who continue to falsify facts for the commercial advantage of the Drakecircus shopping mall. There is no justification whatsoever in keeping a page on a specific shopping mall other than to promote the commercial interests of that shopping mall. May i suggest this matter is resolved by the deletion of both this page and the Drake Circus shopping centre page otherwise its inclusion (leaving all legal issues to one side) will permit any shop, retailer or other commercial interest to continue to spam this encyclopedia. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


If ''50°22′20″N 4°08′16″W / 50.37222°N 4.13778°W / 50.37222; -4.13778'' is wrong for the shopping centre, what is right for it? -- ] (]) 00:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
:You may be right that the shopping mall is not notable. The correct procedure to follow if you think this is the case is at ]. Pending you doing this, I am reinstating the article. Further deletions of the content will probably be considered by others to constitute ]. --] 15:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


::What seems to have been ignored by yet another of these anonymous PITAs is that apart from it being a short road, there is no official area called Drake Circus. DCSC probably isn't in DC but then nowhere is ither unless it's a building actually on the road called DC. It's just one more anonymous road in the North Hill, PL4 area of Plymouth. --] 01:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
We are all right behind you Yiwen. This is a blatant example of how spammers can infiltrate the Wickopedia network by becoming administrators or editors. Doubtless the article will be amended and replaced with the continued propaganda for a dying shopping mall at the expense of its more prosperous and academic neighbors. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:::I'm not asking about "Drake Circus" (whether official, real but unofficial, or entirely imagined). If you'd like to discuss that, ] seems to be the place. I'm merely asking about the location of this shopping mall. (Incidentally, it's usually not helpful to refer to people as PITAs, even when they're PITAs.) -- ] (]) 01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
:A few points:
:#Who are "we", IP?
:#Actually it's "Misplaced Pages".
:#It's not that easy for a spammer or anyone else to become an administrator, but you're welcome to give it a try. Meanwhile, spammers do indeed become editors. Indeed, all sorts of people do: the educated, the intelligent, the tired and emotional, the grossly immature, the deranged. (What else is new?)
:#In its present state, the article about this dreary-sounding mall hardly seems like "propaganda" for the mall.
:If the article starts to sound propagandistic, you are as welcome as anybody else to question what it says and to make changes. While you are prevented from editing it, you can make suggestions in this talk page. If you believe that it is not notable and doesn't merit an article at all, you're free to argue this. If you further believe that mere size does not make shopping malls (even large and successful ones) notable, and that WP has a systematic bias towards big and/or bland retailers and/or buildings at the expense of aggregates of small and/or individual retailers and/or buildings (a point of view with which I have some sympathy), then you're free to ''argue'' that point as well. But mere bluster will get you nowhere. -- ] 02:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


:::These are the coordinates for the shopping centre... ''not'' for the more ambigous term of ''Drake Circus''. Shopping centres are quite easy to spot on a map :) Anyway... my coordinates aren't out by a few metres, but I'll try and get it right in the centre. '''] ] ]''' 01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
'''To suggest "drake circus is a shopping mall" is equivalent to saying "Seattle is a tower". Its absurd and neglects the 24,000 students, residents, shopkeepers, bar, night clubs etc that all live work and play in Drake Circus. It not only insults the culture of drake circus but Misplaced Pages itself for allowing such nonsense to be published.''' <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Please sign your comments, and remember that '''putting them in bold''' makes the writer come off like a hectoring bore. -- ] 02:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC) ::::Thank you in advance for any improvement you can make. -- ] (]) 01:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

::::The mall is some 300 metres south of drake circus as any offical map will confirm. Google maps takes data from verifcation cards returned by local businesses. Whilst the marketing team of the mall have succeeded in fooling the niave into thinking their shops are in the more prosperous neighbour, these cards are posted and it is impossible for DrakeCircus the mall to bend or alter their results - hence why google maps is accurate.] (]) 02:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

:::::I have a simple request for you, and should be grateful if you would answer it without reference to either Drake Circus or the evilness of the shopping mall, neither of which is of any concern here. The Misplaced Pages article now states that the mall is at 50°22′20″N 4°08′15″W; is this correct or is it not, and if it is not, can you please supply the correct coordinates. Thank you. -- ] (]) 05:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

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Website

I cannot revert Whiteworks i.e. add the link to the website back, because it is blacklisted. Please can a sysop do this for me. Jolly Ω Janner 13:45, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It's blacklisted locally. It does appear to be appropriate to have that URL there: it's the official website (as far as I can tell) of the topic of the page and the infobox has a field specifically designed for such URLs so clearly it's normal to have them. However, the site is used problematically on other pages. I don't know how narrowly it can be whitelisted. Waiting for input from admin who blacklisted it... DMacks (talk) 05:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry - no longer an admin so can't help. It was being spammed across many pages at one stage so if it were me I would not de-list it. Not as though it is vital to the project! --Herby 08:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Concurred it's not critical here...much ado about little? If you feel strongly it should be added, WP:SBL is the place to request. Make sure to cross-link the discussion here<->there so we can track this, given the nature of the sock-drawer that lurks here. DMacks (talk) 10:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
It's already started being discussed at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#www.drakecircus.com, though a few extra voices couldn't harm. --WebHamster 12:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
For clarity - it was me who actually listed it having got p*ssed off reverting it in a multitude of strange places (including IIRC my own user page!). --Herby 12:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Despite all the discussion it still hasn't been added back. Even if an administrator added it back, how long would it be before the certain disruptive user removes it again? I believe it is all the same user, who probably added the link to random places, so it could get blacklisted and so that this very problem would erupt. If Smalljim was here, he would've reverted it by now. Jolly Ω Janner 16:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Admins are not immune to the blacklist...we can't "just revert its removal" any more any non-admins or anonIP can. DMacks (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
That's a bummer. Is there any thing that we can add the URL to that means it can be added to only this article? Jolly Ω Janner 18:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, see WP:WHITELIST - MrOllie (talk) 17:26, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


Location

Couched within rapidly deleted demonstrations of a continuing inability to digest what's clearly written in the green box above, persons unknown seem to be making a single reasonable point. Google says the shopping mall is here, not quite where the article says it is. The part of the name of the graphic that seems to indicate location is (with spaces inserted to avoid the need for lateral scrolling): Point.latitude_e6=50371606 &Point.longitude_e6=4290829871 &Point.iconid=15&Point=e& latitude_e6=50371606& longitude_e6=4290829871. I'm not sure how to parse that; perhaps somebody else could have a bash at it. -- Hoary (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

What does this have to do with Misplaced Pages? Jolly Ω Janner 16:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Article meets criteria for inclusion based on in-depth mention in multiple reliable sources. It has already been through AfD discussion, where it was found to be viable and not an ad. Remember, WP isn't about how you perceive something in lay-language, but about how it relates to WP guidelines and policies. Please don't waste your time debating that...you'll need quite clear and convincing reasons how it is totally non-viable under those guidelines. DMacks (talk) 20:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Additional to that, the original Drake Circus article was deleted via AfD because it was discovered that Drake Circus is not an official area and is just an area of streets with an unofficial nickname. Also it was decided that the area itself was not inherently notable based on WP's rules. Then add to that the amount of vandalism emanating from the local Student's Union (which is continuing based on the local BT Broadband owned IP addresses involved in ongoing trolling and disruption) it was deemed more convenient to redirect the Drake Circus article here. --WebHamster 21:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


Back to the subject: location

This thread has taken a very bizarre direction while I slept. I understand that thinking people among you have been distracted by whack-a-troll, but the very first response does seem directed at my original post, and the question What does this have to do with Misplaced Pages? puzzles me.

So I'll try again.

The article is of course about DCSC and has two location links for this. They're the same: 50°22′20″N 4°08′16″W / 50.37222°N 4.13778°W / 50.37222; -4.13778. I clicked on one of the pair. The page gave various options; I clicked on the Google Maps option. I was presented with a map with a pointer to a place I'll call A.

In another window, I went to DCSC's own website. It's a boring affair but I think it can be trusted to show where the place is. It has a "getting here" page, www.drakecircus.com/getting-here , which has a map (unfortunately stylized) that shows DCSC as at a place I'll call B. This is close to but not the same as A.

I then opened a third Window, and asked Google Maps where DCLC was. It gave me a map showing DCSC at B.

I infer that the article gives the wrong coordinates for its subject. And what this has to do with Misplaced Pages is misinformation.

I was so sleepy at 15:35 somebody-else's-time that I didn't notice that the complex filename does appear give the coordinates of a single point, viz 50.371606 -4.290829871. However, that's a considerable change of longitude and I can only infer that Google Maps is using some other reference point for its internal purposes. -- Hoary (talk) 00:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

The coordinates are out by a few metres. They're still ontop of the shopping centre. If you want to change it then go on Google Earth and get the coordinates yourself. Jolly Ω Janner 00:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I am not familiar with Google Earth; you seem to be. I know next to nothing about this shopping mall other than what I read in this article; you seem to know it rather better. You think the coordinates are out by a few metres; please fix them. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

If 50°22′20″N 4°08′16″W / 50.37222°N 4.13778°W / 50.37222; -4.13778 is wrong for the shopping centre, what is right for it? -- Hoary (talk) 00:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

What seems to have been ignored by yet another of these anonymous PITAs is that apart from it being a short road, there is no official area called Drake Circus. DCSC probably isn't in DC but then nowhere is ither unless it's a building actually on the road called DC. It's just one more anonymous road in the North Hill, PL4 area of Plymouth. --WebHamster 01:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm not asking about "Drake Circus" (whether official, real but unofficial, or entirely imagined). If you'd like to discuss that, Talk:Drake Circus seems to be the place. I'm merely asking about the location of this shopping mall. (Incidentally, it's usually not helpful to refer to people as PITAs, even when they're PITAs.) -- Hoary (talk) 01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
These are the coordinates for the shopping centre... not for the more ambigous term of Drake Circus. Shopping centres are quite easy to spot on a map :) Anyway... my coordinates aren't out by a few metres, but I'll try and get it right in the centre. Jolly Ω Janner 01:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you in advance for any improvement you can make. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
The mall is some 300 metres south of drake circus as any offical map will confirm. Google maps takes data from verifcation cards returned by local businesses. Whilst the marketing team of the mall have succeeded in fooling the niave into thinking their shops are in the more prosperous neighbour, these cards are posted and it is impossible for DrakeCircus the mall to bend or alter their results - hence why google maps is accurate.81.132.107.66 (talk) 02:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I have a simple request for you, and should be grateful if you would answer it without reference to either Drake Circus or the evilness of the shopping mall, neither of which is of any concern here. The Misplaced Pages article now states that the mall is at 50°22′20″N 4°08′15″W; is this correct or is it not, and if it is not, can you please supply the correct coordinates. Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 05:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Drakes Circus SC on CompletelyRetail

It's been suggested an external link to http://www.completelyretail.co.uk/portfolio/BritishLand/scheme/Drake-Circus-Plymouth/index is not necessary. Given that the content comes directly from the landowner British Land not Kandahar estates and directly contradicts much of the information on the wiki i.e. it's more accurate and up-to-date I would have thought it was more than relevant but required to verify that the information available was correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benparer (talk • contribs) 15:48, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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