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== ]? No Larry Sanger? == |
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Look, I have no opinion on this, but the edit warring has to stop. Please discuss proposed changes to the infobox's "Author:" attribute here before making them. ]<sup>(])</sup><sub>(])</sub> 01:50, 21 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'm willing to discuss it. Jimbo told me on the IRC channel that he founded wikipedia himself.--] 04:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::That is not ] ;-). --] 04:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Sure it is: <nowiki><ref>Jimbo told me</ref></nowiki>. :) ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== article about wikipedia on wikipedia????? == |
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why?] 20:50, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:Because Misplaced Pages itself, just like, say, ], is a subject worthy of an article, of discussion. -- <strong>]</strong>] 22:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::Encyclopedia Brittanica has an article on Misplaced Pages as well. It also has one on ]s, ], and ], and itself. While we should avoid self-references, going out of our way to do so is also kind of a self-reference. ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== This article should be written in first person. == |
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After all, in a sense, wikipedia is talking about itself. Therefore it is possible that the wiki is conscious, and should be construed as an "I". <font color="#33AAAA">Xhin</font> '''<font color="#CC0000">]</font>''' 03:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:What exactly are you saying? It doesn't really make sense. If you are suggesting that Misplaced Pages should be referred to in this article in the first person, then you are being ridiculous. -- <strong>]</strong>] 06:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:This article is like any other article on here, and so it should be written like other articles, and should not be treated any differently. <span style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;">]</span> <sub style="font-size:8pt;"></font>]]</sub> 06:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::See also ]. ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Dumb Question == |
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What was the first article created on Misplaced Pages. I have had a look around but I have only found editors/articles from July 01.] 09:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'd guess a tie between all the articles imported from ]? See ] for a list, including weird things like ] which I believe was originally written by Larry Sanger. ] 04:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:See ] for the oldest surviving edit on wikipedia. ''']<font color="darkgreen">]</font>''' 20:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC) |
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| title2 = The 50 most-viewed Misplaced Pages articles in 2009 and 2008 |
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| title3 = See how Misplaced Pages updates in real-time |
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| title4 = Misplaced Pages a passion for Portland's Jason Moore |
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| title5 = Why So Much Hate on Misplaced Pages? |
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<big>This talk page is '''''only for discussions concerning the improvement of Misplaced Pages's article on itself.'''''</big> |
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* '''To ask questions about using Misplaced Pages''', see the ''']''' or ''']'''. |
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The audio file really needs to be updated. Any volunteers?] 18:47, 27 September 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''To get help with reference questions''', see the ''']'''. |
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:Have added to the to do list. Suggest we wait until this article is in really good shape, possibly FA again (one day?). ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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* '''To discuss Misplaced Pages policy or practices''', see the ''']'''. |
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*{{big|'''The question of whether Misplaced Pages should have an article on itself has been raised many times before, and the answer is definitely ''yes''.'''}} |
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I've noticed recently that google has started giving brief summaries of the contents of wiki pages instead of the first sentence or two from the page itself as is usually the case with google search results. |
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"Misplaced Pages article, with links to other articles on Modern Standard and Classical Arabic, as well as other varieties of the language." |
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Is this a google thing or is it a wikipedia thing? ] 16:18, 28 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:They're all in cahoots, mate.] 17:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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I think the article should say something more about the over 500 Misplaced Pages forks. |
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Should we use ] as a reference for that number, or is that too self-referential? |
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:It used to redirect to ], that might be a good idea to make it point to ] but that's would be a cross namespace redirect. -- ] <sup>]</sup> <small>(using ])</small> 15:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Unsourced statement removed == |
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I am removing the following statement as it has been tagged as needing a source for several months: |
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*''Because of the nature of ], Misplaced Pages's content has been mirrored and forked by many sites including ]s.'' |
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If anyone can add a source for this, feel free to re-add it. —]] 19:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC) |
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I support your decision --] 14:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:See ]. ''']<font color="darkgreen">]</font>''' 13:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== What is the non-free material? == |
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Many language versions of Misplaced Pages are free content, while others, such as the English version, include '''''non-free material.'''''--] 21:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:For example, the English Misplaced Pages includes album covers on articles. Other WP, like the French one, don't do that. You can read more at ]. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::The text should probably be more specific here. We're talking about ], right? ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Broken Links == |
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Was discussing irony of criticism against wikipedia for lack of proper citations (had a cite on that XD) went to visit the site listed and was unable to access the page. Someone should look into this, it managed to get wikipedia nearly banned here. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Idea== |
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Misplaced Pages should let people upload music to certain sites that the music would aply to. Then People could listen to music while there reading. |
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:The music would have to be ], though. —]] 14:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Article locked, can someone do an edit by proxy please?== |
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Following is too petty for article (a minor politican raising an unimportant question, of minimal relevance to this article) so I think it should be removed:<br> |
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''On 29 September, 2007, Italian politician Franco Grillini raised a parliamentary question with the Minister of Cultural Resources and Activities about the necessity of freedom of panorama. He said that the lack of such freedom forced Misplaced Pages, "the seventh most consulted website" to forbid all images of modern Italian buildings and art, and claimed this was hugely damaging to tourist revenues.''<br>Thanks.--] 20:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:I disagree about the importance of this event. To have Misplaced Pages mentioned on the floor of the Italian parliament is surely interesting to anyone concerned about Misplaced Pages's notability. I could not locate the reference provided, to 'Italy Global Nation', a site where 'Misplaced Pages' was not found, so I replaced it with a citation to the same parliamentary speech at Franco Grillini's web site. ] 01:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::In the future use<nowiki> {{editprotected}}</nowiki>. ''']<font color="darkgreen">]</font>''' 16:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==wikipedia globe== |
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Is it just me, or did the wikipedia globe (right above teh search bar) change? |
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] 02:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)chewka |
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:Not within the last few years. See ]. ''']<font color="darkgreen">]</font>''' 16:21, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== British and american wikipedia? == |
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Is it just me or exist two version of the english wikip edia? |
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Exist it an american wikipedia. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:There are two English-language Wikipedias, but they're not an American English version and a British English version. There's the "regular" English Misplaced Pages (which accepts both British and American usage, as long as an article is internally consistent), and there's the ] Misplaced Pages, designed for readers with a limited vocabulary. —]] 15:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::So what're the rules for the various spellings? |
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:::See ] and ]. —]] 18:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Is Misplaced Pages primarily run by editors with liberal views?== |
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I am finding that majority of articles ( for ex MoveOn.org articles, Al Gore article ) have a clear liberal slant - yet, I could not find a single page with a conservative slant. |
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Which leads me to wonder if Misplaced Pages is primarily a medium for expressing liberal views? - Not that there is anything wrong with it ;) ] 02:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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A fun project to do would be to use WikiScanner to location map the IP addresses of all changes and then do a cross look up of blue and red states. ] 02:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:There are a lot of editors who are not from the United States. I would guess more than half of them. ] 02:55, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Interesting that you should note some articles having a slant one way or the other; Misplaced Pages has a strict ]. I'll go check out the ones that you mentioned. Were there any others that you saw having a particular slant one way or another? ]''']''' 02:56, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Another example would be Bill Clinton's page, specifically around impeachment section ] 17:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:: It's not liberal, or conservative. It's democratic.. which means mob rule. No matter how blind and idiotic the majority is, the majority determines what stays on the page. So Misplaced Pages is a good research tool for tools of all kinds, be they left fascists or right fascists. I mean, the Nazi's had lots of peers to review the validity of their eugenics literature. Real bona fide scientific consensus going on in 1930's Germany.] 17:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Yes, its predominantly democratic :) ] 03:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC) |
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==Grammar Problem== |
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There's an incidence of the word "a" before a vowel (the word "internet") in the final sentence of the fourth paragraph. I'd fix it, but the article is locked, and I'm a wikinoob, alas. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Corrected; thanks for pointing it out! —]] 05:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Vanity == |
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This is just vanity and self-worship. It's even classed as a "good article" <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Barely worth replying to - see by comments ]. If you have problems with the GA status, seek a review. ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Legal issue of Misplaced Pages == |
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Is Misplaced Pages under the USA law since the Wikimedia (and main server) locates in the USA? Thanks. --] 05:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:yes – ] 15:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Repetition? == |
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The word "over" is repeated twice in only two sentences, one succeeding the other. |
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As of September 2007, Misplaced Pages had approximately 8.29 million articles in 253 languages, comprising a combined total of '''over''' 1.41 billion words for all Wikipedias. The English Misplaced Pages edition passed the 2,000,000 article mark on September 9, 2007, and as of October 14, 2007 it had '''over''' 2,047,000 articles consisting of '''over''' 890,000,000 words. |
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] 22:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Since ] != Misplaced Pages, this sounds okay to me. -- ] 23:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::I think the point was stylistic rather than factual. Perhaps the second "over" could be changed to "more than" to provide a little lexical variation. —]] 05:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== History/founding == |
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There used to be a section named "history" on this article but it has been vandalized by ] on May 14th, 2007 and it was badly reverted (deletion actually, but the person probably didn't know it was a real section before being vandalized). Then a new similar section ("Founding") has been written on July 6th, 2007. I think this section "history" is really worthy, so can anybody merge it with the new section "founding"? ] 22:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:If someone reverts badly use the template ] (unless they are experienced editors, in which case you ] (if you do you're likely to get ] ;) ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== you are great == |
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great site <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:We try. :) ]''']''' 17:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::But we have succeeded so far, haven't we? -- ] 23:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::: Yet from Google's POV if u searched "'''fuckedpedia'''", u'll be asked on top of the results "Did you mean '''Misplaced Pages'''". ] 14:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Request: Number of UNIQUE words == |
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The article presents the number of wikipedia's words. Is it possible to inform us and the number of its UNIQUE words? |
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-- ] 06:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Definitely not in this article. It would be about as relevant as listing how many 10+ letter words there were. ] 20:41, 26 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Unlock == |
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Could someone please unlock this page? I would like to add some sarcastic criticism of Misplaced Pages along with some off-colour sexual humour. Thank you. --] 22:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'm sure there's room on for that. —]] 00:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Grrr! == |
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Wasn't there a separate article on ] - saying some welcome new members, others do this or that, etc. Now I can't find it! Expected to see on the See also but not there. Any ideas what the article title is I'm looking for? ] 16:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:As far as I can tell from looking at the history, there's never been an article on Wikipedians. ] has always been either a redirect here or to ], which is outside article space. —]] 17:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
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It was the latter I was looking for. Any reason that's not on the see also list? ] 23:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Because it's in Misplaced Pages: namespace, not article space. It's a page intended for editors, not for readers. —]] 04:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::Have added a dab, though is it worth it? ] 08:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Newsmax? == |
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Though it might be true indeed that Misplaced Pages has been infiltrated by left-wing vandals, the citing of Newsmax as a source is just sloppy. Newsmax is known to be reactionary and sensational. I read the article referred to and most of it reads like an editorial, as the article does a poor job indeed of making the case that liberals control the Misplaced Pages domain. I removed citation 69 as well as the sentence preceding it. |
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For your enjoyment, the final sentence of the article, "Most people accept information that is at their fingertips and don't take the time to check original sources. Thus the information superhighway offers everyone access to the same often inaccurate and biased information." |
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] 00:59, 23 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Safety of Information == |
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What would happen if the hard drives holding part of wikipedia crashed and failed or some natural cause such as a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, or fire destroyed the serevers holding the information on wikipedia? Or someone purposely physically vandalized the hard drives storing Misplaced Pages? Do they back up all the information as it is added in another place so if one server failed not all of the information would be lost?--] 19:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:Well, there is a warning that "much of the following is out of date as configurations change quickly and frequently:" |
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:http://meta.wikimedia.org/Wikimedia_servers#Overall_system_architecture |
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:But it says, "The system is designed to ] to backup configurations at both the squid and Apache levels, and backup database support is in place, but not in an automatic failover." |
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:The link below that to "Details on database replication in MySQL" doesn't say anything specific to how frequently Wikimedia replicates and distributes its master database, but I would presume that its contents could survive all sorts of disasters, natural and man-made. ] 19:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::Imagine if it just closed shop. All the arrogant losers of the world would have to go write their claptrap elsewhere. There would be a net-wide deluge of pseudo-intellectual, toffeynosed zombie twaddle blipping up all over the WWW. ] 17:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Bias == |
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Looking through the article about wikipedia I think there are some neutrality issues particularly regarding the section about reliability and bias. It seems as though it has under represented the argument that these topics are valid and over represented the infalliability of wikipedia. It also is troubling that in outlining the argument the definitions used are ones that users in the wikipedia community created (hyperlinked)] 15:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC) rather than allowing for an actual argument to take place in which definitions could be agreed upon by both sides. |
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This may be an article that ought to be reviewed. |
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Love the rest of the site. |
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Matt1741 10.25.07 <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Actually, there is an article on criticism about wikipedia. Misplaced Pages is practically anti-advertising itself.] 00:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC) |
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There may be some structural problems though in the way that Misplaced Pages is using all the methods that are suspect to describe the suspect problems.] 15:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Spelling Checks == |
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I am curious to know why Misplaced Pages still has no "did you mean ____?" links when I search for something and accidently spell it wrong. Why is this? Has it not yet been suggested that Misplaced Pages include such a tool? ] 02:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:We have ] and ], though if you mean the sort ] has, then no. It could probably be an improvement; the whole search function here could learn a lot from Google too, though you can search Misplaced Pages with Google if you want. This isn't really the place for such suggestions though, you'd best take it to the ] or somewhere like that. ] 06:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Templates== |
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I don't like the way the ''three'' separate Misplaced Pages related templates still exclude some of the major articles - ''reliability'', ''criticism'' and ''in culture'' are all left out. Is there any way we could fit them in somewhere, or rearrange the templates somehow to do so? We could even merge the lot into one ], perhaps 'Misplaced Pages and related projects' or 'Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia Foundation'. The problem there is that all the unrelated stuff is included if you just want something like the small Wikimedia projects version on e.g. Wikiquote. I don't know of any way to use only ''part'' of a template if desired, though it might be possible... ] 06:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Misplaced Pages community== |
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Take your pick: ] or ]. To which should they redirect? ] 06:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Images== |
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We need an image of Jimbo here - the article is incomplete without it. . Any suggestions? We used to have ] IIRC, which I suggested be cropped, though that may have been another article. How about ] or ]? There are two others like the former as well. ] 07:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'm going to ] and add one to the history section. ] 05:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Article is in breach of basic Misplaced Pages rules == |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 November 2024 == |
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Rules say that a person or an entity should refrain from writing an article about oneself and leave this task for someone else to ensure objectivity and neutrality, so how could the wikipedia community describe their project by themselves, they should leave that for other encyclopedias like Britannica or whatever rather than this utter selfishness. |
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add " it is also the website you are on!" ] (]) 03:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:None of us gets paid, so there's no ]. Anyway, this has been brought up hundreds of times before, and everyone agrees we're capable of writing neutrally about Misplaced Pages. —]] 19:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> We try to avoid ] on Misplaced Pages as much as possible. ]<sub>]<sub>]</sub></sub> (]/]) 03:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== ] and Wikisource == |
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:: Does that mean a non-profit organization's article could be contributed to by people who run the organization in question?! Is the elimination of financial motives of inobjectivity enough for ensuring neutrality?! If so, then hopefully Misplaced Pages will stick to one standard when other non-profit entities contribute about themselves. ] 21:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::It's only a problem when the article in question suffers from a lack of neutrality. If you think that this article is not neutral, please indicate the parts that need attention. ] 21:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::::An imbalanced coverage of a topic deosn't necessarily need to come in the form of presenting one or more point by biased POV(s). It could also be by overlooking or censoring a valid criticism. For example in the process of building an article from scratch by multiple editors on Misplaced Pages, there is a tendency to build an incoherent text because of bits of info being added separately by different editors. If I go now to the article page (of this topic: ]) and write such criticism as a characteristic of wiki-built articles, my comment would be quickly removed by the '''INFLUENTIAL''' people here. ] 13:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Just a note, but currently does not mention Wikisource. I assume there are sources for its existence? It is true WS is very minor, and maybe non-notable. (Anyway, as a wikisourcerer, I'd be one of the worst people to write that up). Leaving this here as food for thought. |
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::::: Misplaced Pages editors are naturally enthusiastic about their project so their views on it are automatically biased. ] 10:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::See my response ]: In short, not having an article on ourself would be a self reference and Britannica has an article on their 15th edition. Please have a skim through the talk page before you ask - this question has been raised twice above. ] 05:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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(Actually, is also missing Wikifunctions, and possibly some others). — ] ] 17:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC) |
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==Should this article have an FAQ?== |
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I don't watch this article, but I've seen the question above raised three times on this talk page alone, and we have ''16'' archives. Are there any others besides this that get frequently asked? I note that a lot of busy pages are using FAQs, such as ], ] etc. Perhaps this is something we could consider. ] 05:01, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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In what are the roads different? ] (]) 12:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC) |
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==Number of editors== |
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Sorry for all these discussions, but I feel we need better information on the number of Wikipedians too. Often quoted is the number of editors, but this statistic is vague and sure to be misleading. I'd like to know how many ''active'' contributors we have, and more statistics on this in general. Does anyone know if/where such information could be found? It would also be possible to ascertain a reasonable estimate based on a sampling of existing users accounts, looking at what fraction are currently active. ] 09:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 November 2024 == |
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Just reading ] at the moment and I think 'quality of Misplaced Pages' might be a slightly better reflection of its scope. Comments welcome at ]. ] 10:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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: Hey Richard, are you the official spokesman for Misplaced Pages or something? I mean you are commenting on every single issue brought up here! ] 10:40, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 03:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== "]" listed at ] == |
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 26#Wikipaedo}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> ] (]) 15:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== "]" listed at ] == |
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 9#Wikiedia}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> '''] <sub>] ]</sub>''' 12:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Inappropriate citations in bias subsection == |
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== Self Obsess Much? == |
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The following sources referenced in the subsection on bias in Misplaced Pages are both completely innapropriate. I will be back to review if a rollback can be made, or if a deletion is better. please provide feedback before then. |
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I think that Misplaced Pages has a few of it's facts wrong! By the way- did Google write an article about how good it was? |
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<ref>Livingstone, Randall M. (November 23, 2010). "Let's Leave the Bias to the Mainstream Media: A Misplaced Pages Community Fighting for Information Neutrality". M/C Journal. 13 (6). doi:10.5204/mcj.315. ISSN 1441-2616. Archived from the original on November 21, 2022. Retrieved November 23, 2022.</ref> Curently citation 192, is not a scholarly or professional source of any kind, nor is it an original work. It is a summary of proceedings which took place during a summit which included commercially and politically motivated speakers, covering a wide range of topics. the source referenced has been obscured making its primary text unverifiable, and, presents the misappropriation that it is actually a scientific publication buy obscurity behind a pay wall. |
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:Is Google an Encyclopedia? No. Does this article talk about how good Misplaced Pages is? No. —]] 06:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:: In a way it does, it implies self-notability and self-importance. The truth is Misplaced Pages is important but it shouldn't "say" that about itself. Other sites present themselves to the public through an "About" page, and if it is necessary to praise themselves they quote what newspapers, books ... etc written by others say about them. ] 15:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::This article fully complies with our ] policy. It includes both positive and negative opinions that other, independent sources have written. Misplaced Pages is a notable topic, beyond a doubt, as it's one of the most highly-trafficked websites in the world. ]''']''' 16:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::: Misplaced Pages is magnificent ©™® I mean I would rather wake up tomorrow and there would be no sun than there would be no Misplaced Pages.. The Earth revolves around Misplaced Pages not around the sun anymore!!! And it's absolutely necessary that Misplaced Pages reminds everybody of this fact by such an article, an "About" page is just not enough. ] 20:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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<ref>Hube, Christoph (April 3, 2017). "Bias in Misplaced Pages". Proceedings of the 26th International Conference on World Wide Web Companion – WWW '17 Companion. Republic and Canton of Geneva, CHE: International World Wide Web Conferences Steering Committee. pp. 717–721. doi:10.1145/3041021.3053375. ISBN 978-1-4503-4914-7. S2CID 10472970.</ref> Currently citation 193, this is also not an original work, the cited source does not include any original research, and in fact cites the Misplaced Pages article it is used in as its source for the fact that it is used to cite in the Misplaced Pages article. this is a clear ] |
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ABOUTSELF violation. ] (]) 10:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC) |
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For the first time, now ranks WP as the 8th most visited website. --] 09:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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: Yeah, good that you mentioned Alexa.com, they don't give a rank to themselves although their job is to rank websites. Wikedpedia should follow their example. The appropriate place for any description that Misplaced Pages would like to give of itself to the readers is on a sort of "About" page(s) like all other sites do, not on an encyclopedic article. The same as if you are a famous person, you should not write the article about yourself on Misplaced Pages but it is quite normal that you write your user page because that's your "About" page. ] 15:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::That might be feasible if Misplaced Pages weren't mirrored on other sites under different names. But it is. Why shouldn't about.com have an article on Misplaced Pages? —]] 20:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::In case you really didn't understand, here is a clarification: I wasn't talking about "about.com", I meant an "About-This-Site" page that Misplaced Pages should use for introducing itself to the public instead of having an encyclopedic article glorifying itself. Also, I don't see at all, how could the mirror sites prevent Misplaced Pages from making this change (from article to about page)?!¿ ] 10:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::::It's not going to happen. As has already been pointed out to you, this discussion has been had many times before, and the outcome has always been the same. And, at any rate, an article talk page is not the place to suggest deletion. |
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::::This article is not going away. If you think that there are ''specific'' problems with how Misplaced Pages is presented here, please feel free to bring them up here. But the general griping is not productive. -- ] | ] 13:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::::: I suggested what I believe is absolutely needed to be done, whether it will be done or not that's up to Misplaced Pages and its influential people as I said above. In the very least, when someone ask for adding a valid point of criticism to the article, that should be possible, if there is any degree of editorial democracy here (direct editing is not possible for this article in the moment). One of the most serious points of criticism is that original contributions published for the first time on Misplaced Pages are being stolen by other sites that copyright 100% of what they steal, and when Misplaced Pages is informed about the infringements, responsibles here just don't care about it. Some cynical people may go as far as that Wikedpedia is complicit in this piracy of the production of its own contributors. You are invited to contribute (text, images, software ... whatever), then you learn that someone is claiming your contribution as his, you ask Misplaced Pages to do something and at best they'll tell you: We really can't, the pirates (or mirror sites in Misplaced Pages's euphemism) are out of control. ] 16:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::The article is only semi-protected. Last I heard, new users are auto confirmed four days after their accounts are created, so if you can't edit it now you should be able to very soon. In the meantime, if there is any properly ] material you think should be in the article, you can present it here. Protection of articles that are frequently vandalized is an unfortunate necessity. -- ] | ] 16:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::], per our ] (the GFDL). Some are infringing our copyright, but the vast majority has the right to copy us :). In case you wondered, there is a ] page, introducing Misplaced Pages for our readers. It makes sense to have an article about Misplaced Pages so the readers of answers.com can . I hope that helps :) -- ] <sup>]</sup> 16:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::Copyleft or GFDL is fine (like what answers.com does) but to copy from copyleft source like Misplaced Pages then publish the final work as copyright which is what I was reporting, that is infringement and Misplaced Pages just turn a blind eye to it. You want a specific example: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Pixelated-reality-43755.shtml Content copied from various digital photography articles in Misplaced Pages and at the bottom of all Softpedia pages you will find: "Softpedia. All rights reserved" + a link to their "Copyright Information" page: http://www.softpedia.com/user/copyright_information.shtml ] 18:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Just a note, but currently does not mention Wikisource. I assume there are sources for its existence? It is true WS is very minor, and maybe non-notable. (Anyway, as a wikisourcerer, I'd be one of the worst people to write that up). Leaving this here as food for thought.
The following sources referenced in the subsection on bias in Misplaced Pages are both completely innapropriate. I will be back to review if a rollback can be made, or if a deletion is better. please provide feedback before then.
Curently citation 192, is not a scholarly or professional source of any kind, nor is it an original work. It is a summary of proceedings which took place during a summit which included commercially and politically motivated speakers, covering a wide range of topics. the source referenced has been obscured making its primary text unverifiable, and, presents the misappropriation that it is actually a scientific publication buy obscurity behind a pay wall.
Currently citation 193, this is also not an original work, the cited source does not include any original research, and in fact cites the Misplaced Pages article it is used in as its source for the fact that it is used to cite in the Misplaced Pages article. this is a clear Misplaced Pages:Verifiability
ABOUTSELF violation. Azeranth (talk) 10:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
level-4 vital article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
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Not done: We try to avoid self-reference on Misplaced Pages as much as possible. JJPMaster (she/they) 03:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CMD (talk) 03:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
The redirect Wikipaedo has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 26 § Wikipaedo until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)