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] is meant to be used by the ]. Unlike the ], this blacklist only affects pages on the English Misplaced Pages. Any ] may edit the spam blacklist. Any ] may use ], another method to prevent the addition of spam links. However $wgSpamRegex should rarely be used.

See ] for more information about the spam blacklist.

== Dealing with requests here ==
<center>'''Any admin unfamiliar with this page should probably read this first, thanks'''</center>
# Does the site have any validity to the project?
# Have links been placed after warnings/blocks? Have other methods of control been exhausted? Is there a ], if so a permanent links would be helpful
# Make the entry at the bottom of the list (before the last line). '''Please do not do this unless you are familiar with regex - the disruption that can be caused is substantial'''.
# Close the request entry on here using either {{tl|done}} or {{tl|not done}} as appropriate. Request should be left for a week maybe as there will often be further relatede sites or an appeal in that time.
# '''Log the entry'''. <font color=red><big>'''Warning'''</big></font color> '''if you do not log any entry you make on the blacklist it may well be removed if someone appeals and no valid reasons can be found'''. To log the entry you will need this number - {{REVISIONID}} '''after''' you have closed the request. See ] for more info on logging.
Those interested in contributing to this page may find it helpful to watchlist ] or create their own if they want to watch other pages as well. It effectively watches threads rather than pages.

There are 4 sections for posting comments below. Please make comments in the appropriate section. they are '']'', ''']''', '']'', and '']''. Each section will have a message box explaining them. In addition, please '''sign your posts''' with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after your comment.

Requests which have been completed are ]. All additions and removals will be ].

<small style="color:gray;" id="oldid">snippet for ]: <nowiki>{{/request|</nowiki>{{REVISIONID}}<nowiki>#section_name}}</nowiki></small>


=Proposed additions= =Proposed additions=
{{Spam-blacklist proposed additions}}
{{notice|Please add new entries to the '''bottom''' of this section. Please only use the basic URL ('''google.com''' not http://www.google.com). '''Please provide diffs to prove that there has been spamming!''' Completed requests should be marked with {{tl|Done}} or {{tl|Notdone}} then ].}}


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==durangobill.com/JasonGastrich.html==


==stefitalman.info==
This link was brought to meta, but they suggested listing it here and posting the meta conversation. Here it is:
*{{Link summary|stefitalman.info}}: Repeating attempts to replace the official URL stefitalman.ch for ] eg. ] by ].
** Chain of verification that stefitalman.ch is official:
**# "Tourist information" links to http://www.zuerich.com/
**# https://www.zuerich.com/en/visit/shopping/stefi-talman "Website" links to https://www.stefitalman.ch/
** Why I think stefitalman.info is suspicious:
**# promotes vivacrocs.com. gives their address "30 N Gould St Ste N, Sheridan, WY", which is the infamous rental address ] (will redirect to ]).
**# vivacrocs.com is not mentioned nor linked in stefitalman.ch ().
**# There are other linkspam from ] such as ].
** Should blacklist it globally, as other wikis were also target, such as ] by ] in ], ] by ] in ].
* {{Link summary|vivacrocs.com}}: A wikidata entry ] was ] by ], with a claimed connection with Stefi Talman. I suspect their plan is to use this as a springboard to promote VivaCrocs in Misplaced Pages.
--] (]) 16:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:: Same as ], both domains added to the global blacklist. - ] (]) 16:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)


:{{rto|Wotheina}} Handled on meta. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 21:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:''Hate site solely exists to discredit one person, spammed across Misplaced Pages on various pages to do the same. No redeeming value. --Let You2 23:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)''


==s.mcd-menu.org==
::''Should this one not be listed at en wp rather than globally? I see the disruption for sure but I'd get that in the local blacklist asap personally. See if you can get some action from an admin on en wp, if not maybe nudge me again but it is outside what should be on Meta in my opinion, cheers --Herby talk thyme 12:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)''
{{link summary|s.mcd-menu.org}}


{{user summary|Royox321}}
:::''Herby, I'm sorry, but I'm unfamiliar with the process and don't know any admins on en wp. I agree with you about the disruption, though. Could you help? Perhaps you know an admin or something. --Let You2 21:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)''


] to spam this link all over a certain article ]<sup>]</sup> 17:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
::::''You need to list this request here (maybe copy what is here almost - ie A. B.'s bit) that should get you somewhere I hope, cheers --Herby talk thyme 07:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)''
--] 17:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


==xtremediesel.com==
::Here's the information I posted on meta in response to this request; it's what Herby alludes to in his post quoted above:
*{{link summary|xtremediesel.com}}
*{{user summary|Diesel60}}
*{{user summary|DieselTech2}}


Refspamming to an online truck parts & accessories retailer. (, , , ) The DieselTech2 account was created less than two hours after the Diesel60 account was warned for spamming. --] (]) 21:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::] has a long history on en.wikipedia:
::*List of en.wikipedia linked to ] (over 160 pages)
::*List of en.wikipedia linked to ] (15 pages)
::*] (49 verified sockpuppets)
::*] (136 of these)


:Noting here that DieselTech2 tried to blank this report: - ] (]) 23:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::There are unrelated durangobill.com links on other wikipedias, but only en.wikipedia has links to the durangobill.com page criticizing Gastrich. None are in article space; here they are:
::I added new information to the above pages and links to legitimate pages and it was removed for no reason? Sorry I won't try and contribute any information to improve the quality of the pages. ] (]) 23:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::*]
:::No, you didn't. You linked to a that advertises parts/accessories and tried to pass it off as a legitimate reference. That is spamming, period. --] (]) 22:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
::*]
::::I was under the impression I had to cite a source or list a reference. You could have left the information and removed the links if they were not acceptable. There is plenty of information about those specific engines at the bottom of the page.
::*]
::::Also there are other links on that same page that go to online retailers, so it seemed like it would be an acceptable reference. ] (]) 13:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::*]
:::::You do have to cite a source or list a reference - one that meets Misplaced Pages's ]. That is not an opportunity to repetitively add links to your own site. If you have noticed other problem links, they should be replaced with reliable sources - not used as justification to make the problem worse by adding more spam. ] (]) 14:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::*]
::::::I added some information and links around a month ago. I was checking out another page the other day and simply noticed it did not list the transmissions that were offered with that engine, so I added the transmission types that were offered and a link for reference. I thought that information might be helpful to some readers.
::*]
::::::Can you tell me why these are not permitted as links/references? Just so I know for future reference?
::*]
::::::xtremediesel.com/blog/2021/09/01/what-is-a-cp4-pump-and-why-does-it-fail/
::**]
::::::xtremediesel.com/blog/2021/12/22/2003-2007-ford-6-0l-powerstroke-buyers-guide/ ] (]) 04:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: ] like yours don't meet ] guidelines. Your site is already blacklisted, so for future reference you'll need to find somewhere else to promote it. <b>] ]</b> 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::::I wasn't looking to promote anything. There is a lot of incorrect or missing information and I thought I would help improve the quality of the content on here, but it is no longer worth the effort. On the Duramax page it says the cylinder heads were made from "an experimental composite design cylinder head". I changed it to Aluminum and added the first source that came up on google. I didn't know blogs were prohibited since there are others listed on here. ] (]) 22:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
: {{Added}} , yer out. <b>] ]</b> 22:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)


==messagegirls.pp.ua==
::Also see this list of domains owned by Jason Gastrich; some of them have been blacklisted on meta:
* {{LinkSummary|messagegirls.pp.ua}}
::*]
* {{LinkSummary|frnctry.pp.ua}}
::--<font face="Futura">] ] </font> 17:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Links to this domain were added by various accounts including IPs and registered accounts here and on sister sites. ] 13:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


Is this one still a current issue? Thanks --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 08:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC) :frnctry.pp.ua is also frequently added to articles by this spam farm. ] 13:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


:{{Defermetablack}}, cross-wiki problem. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 14:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


==radarchronicle.com and theblazetimes.in==
*{{LinkSummary|radarchronicle.com}}
*{{LinkSummary|TheBlazeTimes.in}}


*{{IP user|2403:a080:c04:4e13:c169:cafd:dcee:5b29}}
==Linkspam from vandal Wayne Smith AKA Universe Daily==
*{{User Summary|Ajmal V Mohammed}}
* www.robertgbarrett.com
*{{User Summary|AERCTANGE}}
* www.myspace.com/wendimurdoch
* www.opinion.com.au/5201_is_wayne_smith_who_bought_bindiirwin.com_a_cybersq.htm


These are both "news" website being pushed by a spammer, probably also related to ]. ''']''' (]) 17:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/Universe_Daily


:{{Added}} to ]. --<b>] ]</b> 19:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 22:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::This is getting some cross-wiki spam and , looking at ha, hi and somewhat on simple en. Would it make sense to see about adding this to the global blocklist? ''']''' (]) 03:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Definitely. Don’t hesitate to report if you want to. ] (]) 04:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Working on that now. Request created. ''']''' (]) 04:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


==ipcb.com==
:* {{spamlink|robertgbarrett.com}}
:* {{spamlink|myspace.com/wendimurdoch}} *{{Link summary|ipcb.com}}
*This is a commercial website for a supplier of printed circuit boards (PCBs). There is nothing wrong with the site. There have been numerous attempts to insert links into articles related to PCBs. All attempts have been reverted. My apologies if this is not an appropriate request. ] (]) 19:19, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:* {{spamlink|www.opinion.com.au/5201_is_wayne_smith_who_bought_bindiirwin.com_a_cybersq.htm}}
:Monitor it. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 23:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC) *{{Added}} to blacklist. <b>] ]</b> 19:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)


::Both those sites belong to Wayne Smith and he has repeatedly posted them on pages. His Long Term Abuse page has this notation:
Instructions: Block on sight and revert
] (]) 01:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


==brighthub.com== ==Goldbroker==
;Link
*{{spamlink|brighthub.com}}
*{{Link summary|goldbroker.com}}
Long term spamming, see . Recent activity . Please blacklist.-] (]) 04:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:{{rto|KH-1}} {{Added}} to ]. --] ] 05:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
The spammer, using the IP 121.246.26.90 was blocked on Friday for spamming this link, but the spammer has returned with the IP 121.246.25.140 today. See ]. ] 08:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


==advocatenarendersingh==
{{done}}--] (]) 10:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
;Link
*{{Link summary|advocatenarendersingh.com}}
Long term spamming, see . Recent activity . Please blacklist.-] (]) 04:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:@] {{added}}. I also ran a CU and blocked all the recent accounts. ] &#124; ] 13:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== bressimarkets.com ==


==Multiple links==
Persistent spammer {{vandal|Christopherbressi}} (now indef-blocked) has been adding commercial links to the website for what appears to be his or his family's chain of supermarkets to various articles on cured meats (], ], etc.) Has also edited as:
* {{Link summary|datingagency.com.hk}}
*{{vandal|12.31.202.42}}
*{{vandal|64.215.80.194}} * {{Link summary|datingapp.com.hk}}
* {{Link summary|pettravel.hk}}
*{{vandal|72.1.144.66}}


A link to this website has no place on Misplaced Pages, and the user has been warned and blocked repeatedly. ]] 22:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC) Commercial spam. These domain has already blacklisted on Chinese Misplaced Pages. --]]] 12:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:yep - no question to me & {{done}}, thanks --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 07:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


:{{a note}} {{added}} to the global blacklist. - ] (]) 00:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
== thenettimes.com ==


==msnmag.co.uk==
Links added from multiple IPs and single- or low-edit accounts.
* {{link summary|msnmag.co.uk}}
* {{vandal|172.132.212.55}} at
* {{User summary|Msnmag}}
* {{vandal|172.162.160.152}} at
* {{IP summary|103.12.120.29}}
* {{vandal|172.130.5.206}} at
* {{IP summary|103.12.120.55}}
* {{vandal|Booya2324}} at
* {{IP summary|103.12.120.238}}
* {{vandal|Baylorbearcolbert2}} at
* {{IP summary|103.12.122.1}}
* {{vandal|Dragonforce322}} at
* {{IP summary|103.12.122.102}}
* {{IP summary|103.12.122.197}}


Persistent spamming by multiple IPs. ] (]) 20:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
and many more. ] 21:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
:{{Added}} to blacklist (and blocked the /22 range for good measure). <b>] ]</b> 20:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


==usdolly.rocks==
=Proposed removals=
* {{Link summary|usdolly.rocks}}
{{notice|Use this section to request that a URL be ''unlisted''. Please add new entries to the '''bottom''' of this section. You should show where the link can be useful and give arguments as to why it should be unlisted. Completed requests should be marked with {{tl|Done}} or {{tl|Notdone}} then ].}}
*{{Link summary|pentasmoulding.com}}
* {{User summary|Mojakabira}}


I think that user ] is trying to promote their own website and cryptocurrency by vandalizing the following page: ].
== www.belarussolidaritycampaign.co.uk==
They have created a new subsection and posted about this cryptocurrency and a link to the website.
This was blacklisted form the Alexander Lukashenko page by an administrator, who termed the site as 'having no content' It clearly does. Now, if the link is deemed to be unsuitable then it ought to be discussed on the talk page. In my opinion the link in question, whilst granted is still a site under construction, is still a site that has relevance to the discussion of Lukashenko and Belarus. I propose that it be removed from the blacklist, so it may be linked to in the future if agreed in discussion on the talk page, but its dismissal by one administrator (zscout370) is at least a stifling of debate and objectivity, and at worse is censorship.
Website is just 34 days old and owner/admin of the website has the same username: https://usdolly.rocks/index.php/author/mojakabira/
:The website was just established and it has "Under construction" notices on the main page. The links that work are stating the goals for the group and begging people to join. This is pure linkspam, thus why I added it to the black list. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 06:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you.
] (]) 22:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{Defermetablack}}, cross-wiki problem. I've blocked the user in en. <b>] ]</b> 14:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::I think ] article additions were legitimate and pentasmoulding.com is just a regular website, the page linked in the article mentions Ten Cate Sports a lot.
::But I don't know much about windsurfing though. ] (]) 21:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


==Indonesian lottery==
:Thanks for the reply! The point I'm making is that the site is being updated and now does have information too. I concede that at the moment the site is not complete and as such is not worthy being a part of the current external links, however the blacklisting means that when that changes, or if wikipedia wishes to link to an article there in the future this will not be possible. I politely ask that the site be removed from the blacklist, (and also promise to refrain from adding it to the current list of external links).
* {{Link summary|primatama.id}}
--] 14:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
* {{Link summary|parfumindonesia.id}}
* {{User summary|Juliatoto123456}}
* {{User summary|Lunatartoto1234}}


These two new accounts are clearly the same person, creating sandboxes (]) (]) in identical styles. Both lead to different sites, but clearly by the same original author/company. There's nothing on them that would be useful for us to link to.
::The blacklist isn't permanent and I don't intend for this link to stay here forever. But right now, I think it should stay. I will go back to the site, lets say, weekly and look at it. But we get so many external links about Belarus and we got so many campaign sites from the UK, Poland that me and others just remove them all. I am starting to clear out other Belarusian links too, so your site isn't the only one seeing removal. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 18:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Any chance the link can be un blacklisted now? We recently held a demo in London, are a legally recognised body with international members and would like to set up a page of our own. A bit embarrasing when we can't link to ourselves! Thanks.--] 21:42, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


But… since these are two different sites, they don't ''strictly'' come under our rules for blacklisting – ie, multiple links to the same site. So I could be in entirely the wrong place, and if so, please suggest a board that might be interested in this (if there is one!). It's probably not worth an SSI since they're just sandboxes and not actually mainspace spamming. ] (]) 14:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
{{notdone}} per Zscout370--] 15:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
: Seems to be confined to these two accounts, which are both now blocked. I'll leave this open for a bit to see if they continue. I'm hesitant to blacklist links for one or two instances of spamming (but three strikes and yer out!). <b>] ]</b> 15:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


::*{{User summary|Kukriw}}
Excuse me, but why not?--] 21:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::*{{Link summary|sintuk.id}}
::*{{Link summary|bkkkotasemarang.com}}


::Same types of links to identical-looking sites from another new user. I suspect there must be dozens more – all to different URLs – being slipped in all the time. Not sure what we can do about it, mind. ] (]) 15:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Reference data:
::*Domain:
::**{{User:A. B./spam|belarussolidaritycampaign.co.uk}}


== pakapepe.com ==
::*Accounts adding these links:
* {{LinkSummary|pakapepe.com}}
:::*{{User:A. B./IPwhois|79.66.100.170}}
:::*{{User:A. B./IPwhois|79.74.25.181}} * {{IPSummary|103.48.161.203}}
* {{IPSummary|121.164.185.65}}
:::*{{User:A. B./UserSummary|Belaruski}}
* {{IPSummary|217.178.163.161}}
* {{IPSummary|219.240.241.87}}
* {{IPSummary|222.101.185.56}}
Linkspam (with proxies) ] (]) 17:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
: {{Added}} to blacklist. <b>] ]</b> 18:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


=Proposed removals=
::*Relevant Misplaced Pages Guidelines:
{{Spam-blacklist proposed removals}}
::**]
::**]
::**]
::**]
::--<font face="Futura">] ] </font> 21:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


==Remove themoviedb.org/tmdb.org==
Interesting guidelines if they are applied accross the board. However if you will look at the site in question and argue that none of the articles are relevant, or may in the future be relevant as external links then you are in effect allowing censorship on wikipedia. I agree that it is very easy for just anyone to link to themselves on Misplaced Pages, but the site in question is clearly '''not''' spam. --] 22:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
* {{LinkSummary|themoviedb.org}}
:I removed it from the blacklist, but I still do not think the site should be added to Misplaced Pages. We get many Belarusian campaign sites and this is just one out of many that look and feel the same. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 13:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
* {{LinkSummary|tmdb.org}}
It appears A.B. was correct and they only wanted it removed so they could spam it again. See . Perhaps it could be added back. This isn't just spam, it's POV pushing spam. -- ] 12:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


Request to remove themoviedb.org from Local Blacklist.
Well rest assured it won't be added again. Misplaced Pages is clearly only as good as the individual with the biggest axe to grind and the most time on their hands. The link I posted is no less or more POV than the article or links from http://en.wikipedia.org/A_Day_of_Solidarity_with_Belarus
But clearly objectivity is not what you're after. I would propose that the "not to be confused with" bit be reapplied as it's a point of clarification. But feel free to keep the argument one sided if that makes life easier for you. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:53, 11 Nov 2007</small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 -->


This is a widely used resource for information about movies and television, similar to imdb. Although not completely user contributed, like tvdb.com, it does rely on a lot of user contributions for metadata, images, posters, etc. From looking at the stuff I could find at the links provided, it appears that someone from the site (]) tried to add a link in the external section to a handful of pages (looks like about 10 or so) back in 2008.
Per the comments above - closed as {{not done}} --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 19:43, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


Eight years later, in 2016, it looks like Travisbell attempted to have the blacklist removed, which was denied with the only explanation being that it was a misguided request. I'm not sure what that means and couldn't find anything on Misplaced Pages that defines misguided requests.
:The link has already been removed by ] in September (see ), it possibly needs adding back. Though perhaps we could take Belaruski's word that the organization won't be promoted on Misplaced Pages again, and simply monitor the link. -- ] 13:16, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


We are now in 2024, eight years after the removal request from 2016, and sixteen years since the original blacklist in 2008. The website is used by millions of people every day and due to the open nature of its data (kind of like Misplaced Pages), it is the primary source for multiple other sites that show movie or tv data. It has even been used as a data source for scientific research. One example is the article "Image-based Product Recommendation Method for E-commerce Applications Using Convolutional Neural Networks" at http://dx.doi.org/10.18267/j.aip.167.
::I'd certainly be in favour of monitoring this I think, call it "closed" anyway but with eyes open I guess, thanks --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 20:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


I can see no good reason to keep a site blacklisted that is so widely used because of a number of links posted when Misplaced Pages itself was only 7 years old.
== Invisionfree (removal) ==


I request ] be taken of the blacklist. ] 01:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC) ] (]) 07:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{deferwhite}} I don't imagine many (if any) cases where this site would be an appropriate ]; for those cases, whitelisting may be appropriate. <b>] ]</b> 11:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
::Do we blacklist all sites that aren't an appropriate ]? We have multiple pages for sites that utilize the API provided by TMDB, but can't link to it because of one person's mistake 16 years ago? Its level of being an appropriate ] is equal to any other site listed under User-generated content on ]. Some examples:
::1. ]: linked to from at least 60,000 pages.
::2. ]: linked to from 945 pages.
::3. ]: linked to from 3,339 pages.
::What is it about tmdb.org that makes it less worthy of being allowed than those sites? Just trying to understand the rationale behind users jumping through hoops instead of admins removing roadblocks. ] (]) 00:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
:::It's ], so at best it's going to be an external link and as you've noted, we've already got IMDB as a good external link on many film / TV articles. This isn't going to add much beyond what's already there. ''']''' (]) 05:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Still trying to understand not removing the blacklist. I understand the question of tmdbs validity as ]. What I don't understand is the purpose in 2024 of tmbd.org being blacklisted?
::::<br>
::::Why are we limiting users to a single source for movie information. We allow both IMDB and thetvdb for TV shows, but for movies, it's IMDB or nothing. It almost seems like someone has a vested interest in keeping tmdb off of Misplaced Pages without any legitimate reason.
::::<br>
::::For a FOSS style system like Misplaced Pages, it seems antithetical to block sites essentially permanently over the actions of a single user? ] (]) 21:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::Not any 'single user', the site owner. And it wasn't a one time mistake - the archives of this page include a request where the site owner showed up to ask for it to be removed from the blacklist so he could resume promoting his site - so there is reason to think abuse would resume if it were possible technically. Once something ends up on the blacklist, the burden shifts - there should be a good reason to remove it. And in this case no such reason has been presented - it is not a usable ], and it is redundant with other options as an external link. ] (]) 22:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::Firstly, it was a one time mistake. All edits were made on the same day and there were about 10. He came back after 8 years to see about getting it unblocked and even clarified his intent was not to spam links to the site, so I'm unsure where the "reason to think abuse would resume" comes from. During his request 8 years ago, you can see the rudeness of the responses he received were in fact so bad that another admin stepped in on his Talk page to apologize for the admin who was rude.
::::::The real issue I have with the burden shifting (which in general I agree with) is the fact that it was blacklisted with what appears to be zero warnings whatsoever. If you find the proposed addition from 2008, there is only the initial post with no responses or discussion and it was blacklisted. The entry right below it is for a site called crediblemusicreviews.com. This site had multiple IPs continually adding reviews to articles about albums that were assumed to be the same user. The admin who blacklisted TMDB (]) responded to that proposal with a very reasonable response saying:
::::::"Blacklisting is a big step and potentially carries implications off of Misplaced Pages. We like to see the user get several warnings before we blacklist. If that doesn't stop the person, then we're happy to blacklist."
::::::They followed up this statement saying that they had given those IPs final warnings.
::::::If the original site owner had received multiple warnings and still continued to spam the site, I wouldn't even be here, because I would recognize the reasoning behind the blacklist in the first place. However, in this case instead of giving warnings as I would expect, the site was blacklisted immediately.
::::::It appears to me that the original blacklisting is an example of ignoring the principle of ], seeing as there was no discussion or warning given. ] (]) 05:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I don't remember the specifics but it looks like ] ignored multiple requests and warnings:
:::::::*]
:::::::After that, an editor requested the domain he was spamming be blacklisted; that's when I blacklisted it. --<span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Futura">] <sup>(] • ] • ])</sup></span></span> 06:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Understood, I apologize for any pushiness on my part. I can tell you from a long time user, but only occasional contributor, that the vagaries of Misplaced Pages's processes and politics can feel like a bit of a black box. I just think it's a bit silly that because a user made mistakes (or even intentionally spammed, which I don't believe to be the case) '''<u>sixteen</u>''' years ago that a legitimate website (not some blog, or scam site) is still being blacklisted due to what essentially seems like red tape.
::::::::Seeing the extra warnings just adds another wrinkle to the issue to me. That means the user was warned after adding a link to maybe five pages. That hardly seems like a case of excessive spamming to me, especially in light of other similar sites being linked hundreds or tens of thousands of times. Linking to that sort of external site is obviously not, in and of itself, an issue.
::::::::Does Misplaced Pages have some sort of deal with IMDB and thetvdb or something? If not, why are they being given such preferential treatment? ] (]) 08:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Caveats: I was inactive for about a decade and gave up my admin privileges so I don’t remember any specifics and I don’t have any ability to add or delete sites from the blacklist or whitelist.
:::::::::The blacklist is primarily for controlling deliberate spam, not link quality.
:::::::::If someone ignores that many warnings, we blacklist the offending domain and usually any associated domains, even if the other domains haven’t been spammed yet. There’s no minimum number of spam links; we don’t wait until there are 50, 100 or 500. Waiting until there’s a lot of spam just makes more cleanup work for our volunteers.
:::::::::We have no deal with IMDb. IMDb is semi-officially considered an unreliable source and an unnecessary link but as you’ve seen, we have a bunch of those links. There’s the Reliable Sources Noticeboard which has a subpage (]) of major sites and editors’ assessment of their suitability as reliable sources.
:::::::::We have very particular standards for “reliable sources” that are unique to our mission. A site that we consider “unreliable” for our purposes may be great for everything else. Note that we officially consider our own site and other Wikimedia sites as unreliable sources because, like IMDb, our content is user-submitted with insufficient editorial oversight.
:::::::::Misplaced Pages’s administrators have their hands full just fighting off deliberate spamming, let alone the zillions of inappropriate links innocently added by regular editors. —<span class="nowrap"><span style="font-family:Futura">] <sup>(] • ] • ])</sup></span></span> 15:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Thank you for the clarifications.
::::::::::I think my confusion comes from the idea that "The blacklist is primarily for controlling deliberate spam, not link quality."
::::::::::This is the crux of my problem is that it seems like different admins have different ideas. Maybe a more solid set of rules around the blacklist would be beneficial. Almost every response I've received to removing the blacklist has been about link quality, not deliberate spam. The only evidence of deliberate spam happened sixteen years ago and there has only been one request to remove it in the intervening years. The idea that the users/creators of tmdb have just been waiting almost 2 decades for the opportunity to engage in deliberate spam is obviously ridiculous. With that in mind, it is understandable why the site was added, but not understandable why it can't be removed.
::::::::::I do understand and appreciate all of the work that the Misplaced Pages administrators do and do not envy the position that I'm sure they find themselves in regularly. ] (]) 03:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::It is '''added''' to the blacklist because of spamming (as it was in this case). Then link quality is a factor in subsequent removal or whitelist requests. ] (]) 13:12, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::Azuravian, a way to help build the case for removal from blacklisting is to start requesting it to be whitelisted as a source. The issues around user-generated data are going to be relevant (see ]) and will represent a challenge to whitelisting. Essentially, aside from personal preference, why should a given link to this site be added to an article? ''']''' (]) 14:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Valid question and I think the answer (for me, anyway) is that there is no reason aside from personal preference. I'd say that this answer is the same as the answer I would expect someone to give for a TV series when determining whether to link to IMDB or thetvdb.com, or having a preference for both.
:::::::::::::Here is a sampling of pages for TV series that link to both IMDB and thetvdb.com:
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:::::::::::::] ] (]) 05:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::because sometimes that is the only choice for some pieces of info and can be considered reliable enough? ] (]) 12:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::also, now that I remember how I got stuck into this, it was because I wanted to add a movie poster with a free image rationale that came from there. I couldn't link to it and had to find something else, even less good as a source. That was a clear exemple of when the ban hurts editing. ] (]) 13:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::::@]Looking more into this. The WP:CITEIMDB says that using imdb for infos on movies is disputed but not banned. The majority of basic info (we are not talking about reviews here) are collectivelly gathered in both imdb or tmdb.
:::::::::::::Similarly to what ] was saying, why ban one and not the other? I don't see any logic on the preferential treatement that imdb gets. Tmdb seems to me like an equally respectable source.
:::::::::::::@] Oversight can be done collectivelly, Misplaced Pages *chooses* to not engage in personal research. There are many kind of reliable sources already in use on wikipedia, it's not like journalism is the only thing that we accept. ] (]) 19:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
::{{outdent|12}} @] There is absolutely no requirement to have a working link to the source of a non-free file, the requirement is that you clearly state where you get it (which actually is from the producers of the poster, not from the site that posts it und a same non-free use rationale). Moreover, you could have requested whitelisting for that purpose (though also there we would have sent you to the original source of the file). ] <sup>] ]</sup> 05:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::You are absolutelly right, and I think I just didn't find it under a reliable producer website and had to use (from memory) another random site. ] (]) 16:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{tqb|text=@]Looking more into this. The WP:CITEIMDB says that using imdb for infos on movies is disputed but not banned. The majority of basic info (we are not talking about reviews here) are collectivelly gathered in both imdb or tmdb.<br>Similarly to what ] was saying, why ban one and not the other? I don't see any logic on the preferential treatement that imdb gets. Tmdb seems to me like an equally respectable source.<br>@] Oversight can be done collectivelly, Misplaced Pages *chooses* to not engage in personal research. There are many kind of reliable sources already in use on wikipedia, it's not like journalism is the only thing that we accept.|by=Cinemaandpolitics|ts=19:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)|id=c-Cinemaandpolitics-20241011193600-Ravensfire-20240925141400}}
::@] because tmdb was spammed with confessed site owner showing strongly that they intended continue to push for their links to be included over a long period of time. That narrative has not changed and is repeated (almost verbatim) in this thread by the current requester. In all these years there are no independent requests that this site is needed by editors who edit 'in the field', but there is a significant history of spam. Whitelisting specific links will do.
: ] <sup>] ]</sup> 04:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
::I have no connection whatsoever with tmdb owners, I don't have an account there, and I was not even aware of this conflict before finding out the hard way. I do plan to edit more cinema pages and I'll request a whitelist as you suggest. Still this whole approach seems sketchy to me, if tmdb spammed in the past but now it is a major player that is relevant, rules have got to change at some point. I understand that you don't want their link to be added en masse together with imdb, but still. ] (]) 08:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not you. And there is a huge difference between adding 'en masse' and spamming. ] <sup>] ]</sup> 04:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
::In my opinion, this is an extremely biased assessment and in some areas directly false. I'm far from a WP expert, so maybe I'm missing something, but from my research a couple of months back when I wanted to add a link to some information that IMDB did not have, this is what I found:
::<big>2008</big>
::Nov. 19-22, 2008: User ] (who, at the time, was the site owner and still works there, as far as I know) added links to TMDB pages for a grand total of 14 movies over 4 days in 2008. This is the issue that triggered the initial blacklist addition. Within this time, he receives 4 notes requesting that he stop, which were not responded to. As the account was new, I assume that he was unaware of the Talk Page.
::Nov. 26, 2008: User ] adds TMDB to the Proposed Additions for the Spam Blacklist, citing the fact that "Editor's sole contributions have been to promote the site."
::Dec. 2, 2008: The site is marked as added to the blacklist by user ] with no discussion within the proposed additions page.
::Dec. 7, 2008: Travisbell received a response from ] to a request asking why one of the links was removed. The response stated, accurately for the time, that TMDB was not a notable site like IMDB, Metacritic, or Rotten Tomatoes.
::<big>2016</big>
::Oct. 18, 2016: Travisbell attempts to add a link to TMDB to the article for ] which already specified (without a link) that TMDB is one of the primary sources for Kodi to obtain its metadata for movies. User then adds TMDB to the proposed removals upon being unable to make the edit. The request states that user is "not sure why this is".
::Oct. 19, 2016: The proposed removal receives its first response from ] stating "Maybe, just maybe, it's from your mass addition of your site which strongly looked like the start of a spam campaign back in 2008." Further discussion occurs between Travisbell and ] regarding notability guidelines. The request is marked as Declined by user ] stating "Misguided request, and as an aside, creating an article on your website is pretty much the worst idea you've ever had." When asked for an explanation, Guy responds in a similar rude and sarcastic tone as Ravensfire. Travisbell states that he made ~10 edits eight years ago and stopped when told to. User ] apologizes to Travisbell regarding his treatment stating "There is never any reason for an editor being so rude when it's clear the person making the inquiry is trying to work within the rules."
::Oct. 20, 2016: Based on advice from Nihonjoe, Travisbell creates an article draft within his user page and asks Nihonjoe if there are problems with the page based on Misplaced Pages guidelines/rules. Travisbell's note to Nihonjoe is his final contribution.
::Oct. 27, 2016: Nihonjoe responds that the article would need to have citations that meet the reliable sources requirements before it would be acceptable.
::TL;DR - The evidence does not, IMO, show that "site owner strongly that they intended continue to push for their links to be included over a long period of time" nor is there "a significant history of spam." Fourteen external links sixteen years ago hardly counts as either significant or "over a long period of time".
::P.S.: This is just to set the record straight. Multiple editor's have acted (or spoken) as though Travisbell is engaging in ] with no evidence to support that assertion. I am under no delusion that any of the editor's with authority to remove TMDB from the blacklist will do so. ] (]) 23:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I agree with Azuravian that "Fourteen external links sixteen years ago hardly counts as either significant or "over a long period of time". Especially from a new account that probably didn't read the messages on talk page.
:::I guess that the tone of the conflict arises from tmdb beeing community built, and imdb existing and WP having trouble dealing with that already. ] (]) 08:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{rto|Azuravian|Cinemaandpolitics}} 14 edits by a clear COI account not heeding any warnings. You expect us to run behind people until they respond, cleaning up the mess? Some of us have years and years of experience, and seen the cases where you block the spammer, and they continue with the same using a sock. Having your links on Misplaced Pages pays your bills, why be deterred by warnings or blocks? Misplaced Pages is not a game of whack-a-mole: it was not notable in 2008, it was not notable in 2010, it was not notable in 2016, it was not notable in 2021 (and it was salted in 2022). I doubt it is notable now. And if a site owner is adding their own links in 2008, a coi editor is here in 2010 trying to create a clear advertising page, and the site owner is back trying to create a page on the same subject themselves again in 2016 then that is rather long term. Even if they cannot spam the links to their sites, their insistence to have TMBD on Misplaced Pages is 'long term spamming'. <br>And then, we combine that with NO granted whitelist requests (the only granted whitelist requests were for the page, which was since deleted), suggesting that there is no significant need, nor use, for these links. ] <sup>] ]</sup> 21:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Believe it or not there are intricacies to Misplaced Pages policies and even notifications. But I do understand you having a different opinion and assuming bad faith.
:::::Regarding notability, I couldn't find much sources commenting on Tmdb so you are probably right, as a veteran editor, to not deem it notable as of 2024. ] (]) 14:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::Not bad faith, experience. One editor reporting, one editor adding it to the blacklist, and me endorsing. Did all of us assume bad faith? That there is a second Single Purpose Account 2 years later promoting a website that 14 (16?) years later is still not notable, says enough that this experience with spammers is correct. ] <sup>] ]</sup> 04:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Your experience with other bad faith actors informs your assumptions about new editors.
:::::::Like I said previously, I am not under any delusion that anything I say will have any impact on any decisions made. That has been made abundantly clear. ] (]) 21:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)


==www.blog.roblox.com==
:There has been some postings on the talk page of the Meta blacklist related to invisionfree.com links. Could you please remove or strip the links if you are going to keep it blacklisted? There seems to be quite many articles with invisionfree links in them here, and editors gets problems when the links are blocked.
* {{LinkSummary|blog.roblox.com}}
I'm creating a wikipedia article on the late co-founder of Roblox, Erik Cassel. But the only reliable sources of him are from blog.roblox.com links. The blog.roblox.com domain is the official blog maintained by employees of ROBLOX Corporation, giving accurate information about the company. The specific links are a tribute written by the current founder, and an interview with the person in question. I tried to go through the whitelist, but apparently the whole thing is blacklisted.
The article on Erik Cassel would benefit from these sources, as it provides first-hand details about his professional achievements, contributions to ROBLOX, and personal qualities. This information is otherwise unavailable in comparable detail and reliability.
] (]) 05:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{deferwhite}} <b>] ]</b> 15:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
:: {{tq|But the only reliable sources of him are from blog.roblox.com links}} -> then he's not notable and doesn't deserve an article. ] ] 05:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


=Discussion=
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== Archiving time ==
::It appears to have been added last week by ], quoting "WikiProject:Spam Investigation" (see ). However I cannot find any discussion on WikiProject:Spam in the July, August or September archives.
A bunch of recent requests got archived ] but no action was taken. In fact the log has no updates since May 2024: ]. Is this think on auto pilot? -- ]] 04:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)


:The bot will archive it after seven days with no comments, even if it hasn't been done (]). ] (]) 00:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
::There appear to be about a hundred links on article pages. I've checked out 15 instances and only one of those (the actual ] article) seems to be appropriate. Given that our guidelines consider forums to be external links to be avoided, I don't know that the one article where it is appropriate is significant reason to remove if it has been spammed. Worryingly links to these forums are even being used as citations. Blacklisting may even have the side effect of lifting the quality of some articles slightly. -- ] 12:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::Nothing has been done since May... maybe we should increase the archive bot timer to at least 3 months. -- ]] 00:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Increased to 90 days -- ]] 14:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
:And now we are stuck with a lot of handled requests. I’m lowering again. ] <sup>] ]</sup> 21:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)


== Hijacked WordPress ==
:::Yes, actually. The ] article's HOMEPAGE is invisionfree. Why exactly do they have an article about something that is blacklisted exacly? ] 14:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
* {{LinkSummary|mimeprague.cz}}
is a legit website, but it looks like their WordPress was hijacked and they now host Robux scams on a subpage. Is there a way of handling those? The URL doesn't seem to change but I am not sure if I should post it here. I think I saw these types of websites before, apologies if there was a previous discussion about this. <span style="background:#F1FEFE; border-radius:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px; padding:2px 5px;">] (] &#124; ])</span> 04:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


:I've seen 3 different accounts/IPs in the last days with that website, all saying the same thing. I am not active often, there are likely many more. Apart from the WordPress exploit, it is a legitimate webiste (one that would probably not be referenced though). Unsure if it should be on the blacklist. <span style="background:#F1FEFE; border-radius:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px; padding:2px 5px;">] (] &#124; ])</span> 04:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
(unindent) I've done a little more research since unfortunately JzG appears to have retired. I looked through JzG's ] around the time he made the addition. I couldn't find any explanation documented but he did remove a bunch of the links just after he listed it and he edited the ZetaBoard article. I looked into several of the links he removed, and while I can't fault their removal (they were all either inappropriate external links or inappropriate references), when I looked at the history of who added each link I didn't find anything ''I'' would consider to be evidence of a spam campaign, it looked more like individual enthusiasts making good faith but poor judgement additions (see a selection of the additions:. However, I still tend to think the link should stay blacklisted with maybe the homepage only white listed for the ZetaBoards article. -- ] 18:02, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::We could blacklist the "mimeprague.cz/wp-content/uploads/" path rather than the entire domain if needed. ] (]) 01:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't know how I didn't think this was possible. I don't know if disruption has continued though. <span style="background:#F1FEFE; border-radius:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px; padding:2px 5px;">] (] &#124; ])</span> 01:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


* {{BLRequestLink|mimeprague.cz/wp-content/uploads/}}
Do people here not understand what Invisionfree forums are? I run one for a small football club that does not have a website and it's therefore the only on-line presence for the football club that I support. I take great exception to your assumption that me trying to define it as an External Link on the Misplaced Pages page THAT I CREATED is spam! No, actually it's a Link to a web page that is about the subject. Can I please request that this global Blacklist on all Invisionfree forums be removed? ] 16:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Invisionfree is then still not the only online presence. There will be items in newspapers (right?). The site itself does not assert the notability of the football club, that is governed by other ]. The link is useful as an external link (but it is not a must), and maybe for some parts as a reference (but then the specific link can be whitelisted). --] <sup>] ]</sup> 17:06, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


to make it easier to blacklist it. please check report. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 18:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::In your opinion. However seeing as I am unable to even post a link from this page to my forum, you're actually unable to make an informed decision on this matter, are you? Could you please be so kind as to let me know how to request a whitelisting? Thanks so much, xxx ] 17:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for your help - much appreciated. Isn't blacklisting invisionfree forums something of a futile exercise based upon dogma more than anything constructive? 1. They are not spam as they do not sell anything (in fact they actually cost money to run and most of them aren't begging for donations every 5 minutes - if you get my drift!). 2. They can be linked to by setting up a redirect link to another non-blacklisted url. ] 17:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

:I indeed can not see the link, but if it is really the ''only'' link providing information, then the football club may not be notable .. indeed, we can not check, but then, everyone can create a forum on invisionfree, and then write a wikipedia page about it.
:If it is ''your'' forum, then also ] may be of interest. Spamming is not about what is linked to, it is about how it gets linked. Invisionfree is self-published, and people certainly add the links to their own websites (again, see ] and ]). Forums do not comply with our ], and as such, for now, blacklisting of such links is quite appropriate.
:By the way, redirect sites should ''immediately'' be reported to the meta spam-blacklist, these are a general way of going around blacklisting. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 17:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:Forgot, ] is the whitelisting, the accompanying talkpage is where you can request whitelisting. --] <sup>] ]</sup> 12:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to request that Invision forums be un-blacklisted. I don't see why there's any need to block *all* invision forums when it's probably only one or two that have been linked to in a spammy way.

I'm requesting this because I would like to restore the link to the "Different Worlds" forum in the Misplaced Pages Alternate History article. It was previously linked to in the Interactive Forums section of that article, because it's an active alternate history forum. That is, it's not a source but an on-topic link. It's not right to allow other forums to be linked to from Misplaced Pages, but not Invision forums. ] 01:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

:: ___ XLNT point Akiyama: are we now going to block all links to all forums? 'Cuz isn't it POV to decide to block the one? I've been forced into this situation by circumstance working on the Discussion Page. An earlier editor linked to __z4.invisionfree.com at z4.invisionfree.com/Bum_Bar_Bastards/index.php?showtopic=345&view=findpost&p=10945699__ .... This link's cool: a citation useful to our discussion and editing of the article and a citation that has stood since 29January2007. Now because of the lack of headers, I cannot save any changes to this page without deleting this other editor's contribution. Are there no grandfather provisions?! ] 14:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't support the idea of using the spam blacklist to enforce ], but I will say that any and all forum links should be removed from articles per ].--] <sup>'']''</sup> 15:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::::BTW, I removed the link and commented in the # from that page.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 15:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

:As I mentioned above, I expect that the link was spammed, and hence it was put onto the spam blacklist. It is not the case that we use the spam blacklist to enforce guidelines (or policies; except maybe for ], but that is what this was designed for), but that is a secondary effect (it may be worth a discussion). Forum links do not comply with ] and ], even if they may make excellent references, how do you know the information in the link is true (it is a forum, anyone can post there)? --] <sup>] ]</sup> 10:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

As nothing else has been heard for a while - closed as {{not done}} --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 20:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== beginner-sql-tutorial.com/sql.htm ==
This website is used by countless people who use SQL. This is a Tutorial for those who are beginner's to SQL and a reference to the experts in SQL. This tutorial explains the SQL concepts in detail with appropriate examples in a simple manner.

Adding this website in the SQL sections of the Misplaced Pages, will help the programmers to learn SQL better and write better sql queries. Please remove this website from the list of blacklisted websites and help this website to be reached by more programmers who visit Misplaced Pages.

Few of the pages I want to use this link are: http://en.wikipedia.org/Sql http://en.wikipedia.org/Insert_(SQL) http://en.wikipedia.org/Select_SQL http://en.wikipedia.org/Join_SQL --] 20:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'm the one who added it... if anyone can confirm that the malicious scripting problem effecting beginner-sql-tutorial.com has been addressed, I've no objection to removing it. It was blacklisted due to a virus issue and if that has not been cleared up I'm not comfortable having it linked here.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 20:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

::See the discussion below about the blacklisting of this site due to malicious code. --<font face="Futura">] ] </font> 20:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
{{declined}} I hope I'm not overstepping the bounds here, but I just confirmed the continued malicious script execution attempts on that site with a colleague. It should not be delisted at this time and if the Anon is a good faith editor who isn't trying to infect other people's machines I suggest they do a virus scan on their machine.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 20:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

:::In this case, the site '''''should also be blacklisted at meta ASAP''''' to protect the rest of Wikimedia + other MediaWiki projects. I've got to run -- can someone else get this going? Thanks, --<font face="Futura">] ] </font> 22:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

::::{{done}} on Meta but could do with a "request" in due course! Cheers --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 15:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Funny, I just got done adding a request.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 15:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Of course it does mean that you ''can'' remove it from here if you want. No idea what the view/policy is on dupe entries tho? Thanks for the "request" I'll go log it shortly and if you bump into anything else like that you know where I am if I can help. Sorry I missed it before - been tidying up! cheers --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 15:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::As far as I know, there is no policy on that (though AB may know something I don't). Might be worth having a discussion on that.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 14:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I think exploring the possibilities would be good. On Meta we are covering 700+ wikis and (I think) 2/3000 other sites using Mediawiki so "dangerous sites" would be appropriate there (IMO). (There is a sense in which I prefer to avoid the word "spam" in favour of external links as the usual <s>spammer</s> external link placer rarely see the links they place as spam.)
::::::::"Dual" listing is safe but the page gets long (& slow to load!) --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 14:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

<blockquote> '''***IMPORTANT REQUEST***''' The problem with the webpage was without my knowledge. I have fixed it now. Please check the website and remove from blacklisting. Thanks, administrator </blockquote>----] (]) 16:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:At present the answer is definitely no. That is twice the site has been compromised. If you are unable to properly control the content and security of your site then we will not remove it from the list I'm afraid. Thanks --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 16:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed. While I believe this is not the work of the site owner, I think that we need to see some more detailed information about how this will be avoided in the future as it has already been fixed and happened again.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 16:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


::Hi, I deleted the infected page and added a new page for the website. No idea why the problem still exists. Please let me know what was the problem with the website. Is the problem with the technical content or is it IFrame - Exploit problem, please let me know what would be a possible solution. Rest of my webpages are good expect for the index page. I am trying to find a solution for it, so that i can provide a good website to wiki visitors. Thanks, administrator--] (]) 17:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:It was the same malicious scripting as before (i.e. IFrame exploit). shows you've cleaned it, but given that you've cleaned it once and it was exploited again, I'm not comfortable removing the blacklisting quite yet... especially considering that it appears to me you don't know the root cause of why this is happening yet. It has nothing to do with the content of the site, I think we'd just like some evidence it won't happen again.--] <sup>'']''</sup> 18:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I have fixed the problem with my website. Now the default link of my site is <my site name>/sql.htm , i have updated the link above. I had a chat with my service provider and got the workspace cleaned up and i have uploaded new pages. i checked all the pages in link scanner and found none of the pages are infected now. Earlier i was using index.htm as the default page which was infected, now i have removed it and i am using sql.htm as the default page. Please check the link and whitelist it.
i will be using <my-site-name>/sql.htm while adding the links in the wiki pages. Thanks,administrator.--] (]) 01:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:] on ] states You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, and in this case, you are the founder administrator. Unfortunately you have a ].--] (]) 03:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

{{declined}}. I'm not comfortable removing this from the blacklist. Its been demonstrated that this is too much risk to wikipedia and its users. Sorry--] (]) 03:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

==www.elliottgann.com==
please can you reconsider this entry ? ] 10:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:As you have already appealed against this listing on Meta (where the blacklisting is) you would need to look at the whitelist here if you require a listing solely on en wp. The original meta request is --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 10:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::Typically, we do not remove domains from the spam blacklist in response to site-owners' requests. Instead, we de-blacklist sites when trusted, high-volume editors request the use of blacklisted links because of their ''encyclopedic'' value in support of our ''encyclopedia'' pages. If such an editor asks to use your links, I'm sure the request will be carefully considered and your links may well be removed.

::The global ] is used by more than just our ]+ ] wikis (Wikipedias, Wiktionaries, etc.). All 3000+ ] wikis plus a substantial percentage of the that run on our ] software have chosen to incorporate this blacklist in their own spam filtering. Each wiki has a local "whitelist" which overrides the global blacklist for that project only. Some of the non-Wikimedia sites may be interested in your links; by all means feel free to request local whitelisting on those.

::Unlike Misplaced Pages, ] is a web directory specifically designed to categorize and list all Internet sites; if you've not already gotten your sites listed there, I encourage you to do so -- it's a more appropriate venue for your links than our wikis. Their web address: http://www.dmoz.org/.
::--<font face="Futura">] ] </font> 01:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Of course but the goal is not to make links in wikipedia for elliottgann.com, I have totally left this idea deep in a hole. I'm already in DMOZ but I think that Google use the wikipedia blacklist and it's really annoying for a little website like mine. Of course I did bad when I put some links in wikipedia but now what is the goal to let my website in the blacklist since I was the only "spammer". Should I regret all my life ? Please can you reconsider ? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::That's entirely possible, but you should then request removal from the global ] where it was added. We don't have the power to do it here. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 15:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Carnegie Council www.cceia.org==
See ] for original request. I just found this link in ], and the referenced article (www.cceia.org/resources/publications/dialogue/2_12/section_1/5139.html) seems quite reliable.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 17:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

:This item was blacklisted after long-term COI spamming. See and folowing posts on this item in ]. It is suggested there that it should be removed. I will go forward and remove it. {{done}} --] <sup>] ]</sup> 17:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


=Troubleshooting and problems= =Troubleshooting and problems=
{{notice|This section is to report problems with the blacklist. Old entries are ]}} {{Notice|This section is for technical problems with existing rules. Old entries are ]}}

== Blacklisting email addresses ==
Does anyone know why didn't work? E-mail address don't work? I added to the wrong place? I flubbed the regex somehow? None of the above? —] (]) 15:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:] states it'll only work with links starting with <code>http:</code>. &mdash;] 17:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::So it does. Unfortunate. Do you know if the meta blacklist has the same restriction? There are e-mail addresses in the list there so maybe they're using a different mechanism? —] (]) 18:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:::There are only two listed and I don't think that would work either way (unless possibly it was a "Clickable" mailto: type link --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 18:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh so you don't think those are working anyway. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to keep reverting (or try out one of the anti-spam bots - although I haven't great luck with those in the past). Thanks. —] (]) 18:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

=Discussion=
{{notice|This section is for other discussions involving the blacklist. Old entries are ]}}

== archive script ==
Eagle 101 said he had one running on meta, is it possible to get it up and going here?--] 10:27, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Would be good - Eagle hasn't been working on Meta for a while though & I've not seen anything (there was supposed to be a logging script too!) --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 12:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== mapsofworld dot com ==

Why is this blacklisted? It stops me from editing ], which is irritating. It appears to be a reasonably harmless reference website. ]|]|] 08:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Previous discussion was ] thanks --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 08:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== Squidoo ==

Hi all,

The website squidoo.com seems to be blacklisted, which I think is a shame - there's plenty of good material there. I was hoping to add this link: www.squidoo.com/ledzep_mothership/ to the ] article, as I think it's a decent enough resource. I'm aware that some of the subdomains are blocked on the wikimedia-wide blacklist, so it seems a pity to block the site totally. Especially when there's an ] about the site, that can't link to it!

] (]) 09:54, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hum - the request is ]. Given the major spamming I'm not that surprised it was blacklisted frankly --] <b><sup><small><span style="color:#90F">]</span></small></sup></b> 09:59, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
::Far too much abuse and evidence of abuse on this project to even consider de-listing it.--] (]) 12:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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    stefitalman.info

    --Wotheina (talk) 16:09, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

    Same as #crocsjibbitz.com, both domains added to the global blacklist. - XXBlackburnXx (talk) 16:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)
    @Wotheina: Handled on meta. --Dirk Beetstra 21:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

    s.mcd-menu.org

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    Royox321 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · blacklist hits · AbuseLog · what links to user page · count · COIBot · Spamcheck · user page logs · x-wiki · status · Edit filter search · Google · StopForumSpam)

    Sockpuppetry to spam this link all over a certain article TheWikipede 17:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

    xtremediesel.com

    Refspamming to an online truck parts & accessories retailer. (, , , ) The DieselTech2 account was created less than two hours after the Diesel60 account was warned for spamming. --Sable232 (talk) 21:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

    Noting here that DieselTech2 tried to blank this report: - MrOllie (talk) 23:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
    I added new information to the above pages and links to legitimate pages and it was removed for no reason? Sorry I won't try and contribute any information to improve the quality of the pages. DieselTech2 (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
    No, you didn't. You linked to a web page that advertises parts/accessories and tried to pass it off as a legitimate reference. That is spamming, period. --Sable232 (talk) 22:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
    I was under the impression I had to cite a source or list a reference. You could have left the information and removed the links if they were not acceptable. There is plenty of information about those specific engines at the bottom of the page.
    Also there are other links on that same page that go to online retailers, so it seemed like it would be an acceptable reference. DieselTech2 (talk) 13:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
    You do have to cite a source or list a reference - one that meets Misplaced Pages's sourcing requirements. That is not an opportunity to repetitively add links to your own site. If you have noticed other problem links, they should be replaced with reliable sources - not used as justification to make the problem worse by adding more spam. MrOllie (talk) 14:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
    I added some information and links around a month ago. I was checking out another page the other day and simply noticed it did not list the transmissions that were offered with that engine, so I added the transmission types that were offered and a link for reference. I thought that information might be helpful to some readers.
    Can you tell me why these are not permitted as links/references? Just so I know for future reference?
    xtremediesel.com/blog/2021/09/01/what-is-a-cp4-pump-and-why-does-it-fail/
    xtremediesel.com/blog/2021/12/22/2003-2007-ford-6-0l-powerstroke-buyers-guide/ DieselTech2 (talk) 04:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
    Blogs and other self-published sources like yours don't meet WP:RS guidelines. Your site is already blacklisted, so for future reference you'll need to find somewhere else to promote it. OhNoitsJamie 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
    I wasn't looking to promote anything. There is a lot of incorrect or missing information and I thought I would help improve the quality of the content on here, but it is no longer worth the effort. On the Duramax page it says the cylinder heads were made from "an experimental composite design cylinder head". I changed it to Aluminum and added the first source that came up on google. I didn't know blogs were prohibited since there are others listed on here. DieselTech2 (talk) 22:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
    plus Added Three strikes, yer out. OhNoitsJamie 22:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

    messagegirls.pp.ua

    Links to this domain were added by various accounts including IPs and registered accounts here and on sister sites. Frost 13:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

    frnctry.pp.ua is also frequently added to articles by this spam farm. Frost 13:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
     Defer to Global blacklist, cross-wiki problem. --Dirk Beetstra 14:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

    radarchronicle.com and theblazetimes.in

    These are both "news" website being pushed by a spammer, probably also related to Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Btw_Santhosh. Ravensfire (talk) 17:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

    plus Added to MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. --OhNoitsJamie 19:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is getting some cross-wiki spam and , looking at ha, hi and somewhat on simple en. Would it make sense to see about adding this to the global blocklist? Ravensfire (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
    Definitely. Don’t hesitate to report if you want to. XXBlackburnXx (talk) 04:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
    Working on that now. Request created. Ravensfire (talk) 04:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

    ipcb.com


    Goldbroker

    Link

    Long term spamming, see . Recent activity . Please blacklist.-KH-1 (talk) 04:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

    @KH-1: plus Added to MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. --* Pppery * it has begun... 05:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

    advocatenarendersingh

    Link

    Long term spamming, see . Recent activity . Please blacklist.-KH-1 (talk) 04:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

    @KH-1 plus Added. I also ran a CU and blocked all the recent accounts. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

    Multiple links

    Commercial spam. These domain has already blacklisted on Chinese Misplaced Pages. --SCP-2000 12:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

    information Note: plus Added to the global blacklist. - XXBlackburnXx (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

    msnmag.co.uk

    Persistent spamming by multiple IPs. Annh07 (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

    plus Added to blacklist (and blocked the /22 range for good measure). OhNoitsJamie 20:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

    usdolly.rocks

    I think that user User:Mojakabira is trying to promote their own website and cryptocurrency by vandalizing the following page: Dolly_(sheep). They have created a new subsection and posted about this cryptocurrency and a link to the website. Website is just 34 days old and owner/admin of the website has the same username: https://usdolly.rocks/index.php/author/mojakabira/ Thank you. Margarita byca (talk) 22:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

     Defer to Global blacklist, cross-wiki problem. I've blocked the user in en. OhNoitsJamie 14:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    I think Windsurfing article additions were legitimate and pentasmoulding.com is just a regular website, the page linked in the article mentions Ten Cate Sports a lot.
    But I don't know much about windsurfing though. Margarita byca (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

    Indonesian lottery

    These two new accounts are clearly the same person, creating sandboxes (1) (2) in identical styles. Both lead to different sites, but clearly by the same original author/company. There's nothing on them that would be useful for us to link to.

    But… since these are two different sites, they don't strictly come under our rules for blacklisting – ie, multiple links to the same site. So I could be in entirely the wrong place, and if so, please suggest a board that might be interested in this (if there is one!). It's probably not worth an SSI since they're just sandboxes and not actually mainspace spamming. 81.2.123.64 (talk) 14:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

    Seems to be confined to these two accounts, which are both now blocked. I'll leave this open for a bit to see if they continue. I'm hesitant to blacklist links for one or two instances of spamming (but three strikes and yer out!). OhNoitsJamie 15:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    Same types of links to identical-looking sites from another new user. I suspect there must be dozens more – all to different URLs – being slipped in all the time. Not sure what we can do about it, mind. 81.2.123.64 (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

    pakapepe.com

    Linkspam (with proxies) XXBlackburnXx (talk) 17:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

    plus Added to blacklist. OhNoitsJamie 18:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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    Remove themoviedb.org/tmdb.org

    Request to remove themoviedb.org from Local Blacklist.

    This is a widely used resource for information about movies and television, similar to imdb. Although not completely user contributed, like tvdb.com, it does rely on a lot of user contributions for metadata, images, posters, etc. From looking at the stuff I could find at the links provided, it appears that someone from the site (User:Travisbell) tried to add a link in the external section to a handful of pages (looks like about 10 or so) back in 2008.

    Eight years later, in 2016, it looks like Travisbell attempted to have the blacklist removed, which was denied with the only explanation being that it was a misguided request. I'm not sure what that means and couldn't find anything on Misplaced Pages that defines misguided requests.

    We are now in 2024, eight years after the removal request from 2016, and sixteen years since the original blacklist in 2008. The website is used by millions of people every day and due to the open nature of its data (kind of like Misplaced Pages), it is the primary source for multiple other sites that show movie or tv data. It has even been used as a data source for scientific research. One example is the article "Image-based Product Recommendation Method for E-commerce Applications Using Convolutional Neural Networks" at http://dx.doi.org/10.18267/j.aip.167.

    I can see no good reason to keep a site blacklisted that is so widely used because of a number of links posted when Misplaced Pages itself was only 7 years old.

    Azuravian (talk) 07:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

     Defer to Whitelist I don't imagine many (if any) cases where this site would be an appropriate WP:RS; for those cases, whitelisting may be appropriate. OhNoitsJamie 11:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
    Do we blacklist all sites that aren't an appropriate WP:RS? We have multiple pages for sites that utilize the API provided by TMDB, but can't link to it because of one person's mistake 16 years ago? Its level of being an appropriate WP:RS is equal to any other site listed under User-generated content on WP:RS. Some examples:
    1. IMDB: linked to from at least 60,000 pages.
    2. TheTVDB: linked to from 945 pages.
    3. TVTropes: linked to from 3,339 pages.
    What is it about tmdb.org that makes it less worthy of being allowed than those sites? Just trying to understand the rationale behind users jumping through hoops instead of admins removing roadblocks. Azuravian (talk) 00:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
    It's user generated data, so at best it's going to be an external link and as you've noted, we've already got IMDB as a good external link on many film / TV articles. This isn't going to add much beyond what's already there. Ravensfire (talk) 05:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
    Still trying to understand not removing the blacklist. I understand the question of tmdbs validity as WP:RS. What I don't understand is the purpose in 2024 of tmbd.org being blacklisted?

    Why are we limiting users to a single source for movie information. We allow both IMDB and thetvdb for TV shows, but for movies, it's IMDB or nothing. It almost seems like someone has a vested interest in keeping tmdb off of Misplaced Pages without any legitimate reason.

    For a FOSS style system like Misplaced Pages, it seems antithetical to block sites essentially permanently over the actions of a single user? Azuravian (talk) 21:51, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
    Not any 'single user', the site owner. And it wasn't a one time mistake - the archives of this page include a request where the site owner showed up to ask for it to be removed from the blacklist so he could resume promoting his site - so there is reason to think abuse would resume if it were possible technically. Once something ends up on the blacklist, the burden shifts - there should be a good reason to remove it. And in this case no such reason has been presented - it is not a usable WP:RS, and it is redundant with other options as an external link. MrOllie (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
    Firstly, it was a one time mistake. All edits were made on the same day and there were about 10. He came back after 8 years to see about getting it unblocked and even clarified his intent was not to spam links to the site, so I'm unsure where the "reason to think abuse would resume" comes from. During his request 8 years ago, you can see the rudeness of the responses he received were in fact so bad that another admin stepped in on his Talk page to apologize for the admin who was rude.
    The real issue I have with the burden shifting (which in general I agree with) is the fact that it was blacklisted with what appears to be zero warnings whatsoever. If you find the proposed addition from 2008, there is only the initial post with no responses or discussion and it was blacklisted. The entry right below it is for a site called crediblemusicreviews.com. This site had multiple IPs continually adding reviews to articles about albums that were assumed to be the same user. The admin who blacklisted TMDB (User:A._B.) responded to that proposal with a very reasonable response saying:
    "Blacklisting is a big step and potentially carries implications off of Misplaced Pages. We like to see the user get several warnings before we blacklist. If that doesn't stop the person, then we're happy to blacklist."
    They followed up this statement saying that they had given those IPs final warnings.
    If the original site owner had received multiple warnings and still continued to spam the site, I wouldn't even be here, because I would recognize the reasoning behind the blacklist in the first place. However, in this case instead of giving warnings as I would expect, the site was blacklisted immediately.
    It appears to me that the original blacklisting is an example of ignoring the principle of WP:AGF, seeing as there was no discussion or warning given. Azuravian (talk) 05:03, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
    I don't remember the specifics but it looks like User:Travisbell ignored multiple requests and warnings:
    After that, an editor requested the domain he was spamming be blacklisted; that's when I blacklisted it. --A. B. 06:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
    Understood, I apologize for any pushiness on my part. I can tell you from a long time user, but only occasional contributor, that the vagaries of Misplaced Pages's processes and politics can feel like a bit of a black box. I just think it's a bit silly that because a user made mistakes (or even intentionally spammed, which I don't believe to be the case) sixteen years ago that a legitimate website (not some blog, or scam site) is still being blacklisted due to what essentially seems like red tape.
    Seeing the extra warnings just adds another wrinkle to the issue to me. That means the user was warned after adding a link to maybe five pages. That hardly seems like a case of excessive spamming to me, especially in light of other similar sites being linked hundreds or tens of thousands of times. Linking to that sort of external site is obviously not, in and of itself, an issue.
    Does Misplaced Pages have some sort of deal with IMDB and thetvdb or something? If not, why are they being given such preferential treatment? Azuravian (talk) 08:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
    Caveats: I was inactive for about a decade and gave up my admin privileges so I don’t remember any specifics and I don’t have any ability to add or delete sites from the blacklist or whitelist.
    The blacklist is primarily for controlling deliberate spam, not link quality.
    If someone ignores that many warnings, we blacklist the offending domain and usually any associated domains, even if the other domains haven’t been spammed yet. There’s no minimum number of spam links; we don’t wait until there are 50, 100 or 500. Waiting until there’s a lot of spam just makes more cleanup work for our volunteers.
    We have no deal with IMDb. IMDb is semi-officially considered an unreliable source and an unnecessary link but as you’ve seen, we have a bunch of those links. There’s the Reliable Sources Noticeboard which has a subpage (WP:RSNP) of major sites and editors’ assessment of their suitability as reliable sources.
    We have very particular standards for “reliable sources” that are unique to our mission. A site that we consider “unreliable” for our purposes may be great for everything else. Note that we officially consider our own site and other Wikimedia sites as unreliable sources because, like IMDb, our content is user-submitted with insufficient editorial oversight.
    Misplaced Pages’s administrators have their hands full just fighting off deliberate spamming, let alone the zillions of inappropriate links innocently added by regular editors. —A. B. 15:04, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you for the clarifications.
    I think my confusion comes from the idea that "The blacklist is primarily for controlling deliberate spam, not link quality."
    This is the crux of my problem is that it seems like different admins have different ideas. Maybe a more solid set of rules around the blacklist would be beneficial. Almost every response I've received to removing the blacklist has been about link quality, not deliberate spam. The only evidence of deliberate spam happened sixteen years ago and there has only been one request to remove it in the intervening years. The idea that the users/creators of tmdb have just been waiting almost 2 decades for the opportunity to engage in deliberate spam is obviously ridiculous. With that in mind, it is understandable why the site was added, but not understandable why it can't be removed.
    I do understand and appreciate all of the work that the Misplaced Pages administrators do and do not envy the position that I'm sure they find themselves in regularly. Azuravian (talk) 03:49, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
    It is added to the blacklist because of spamming (as it was in this case). Then link quality is a factor in subsequent removal or whitelist requests. MrOllie (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
    Azuravian, a way to help build the case for removal from blacklisting is to start requesting it to be whitelisted as a source. The issues around user-generated data are going to be relevant (see WP:CITEIMDB) and will represent a challenge to whitelisting. Essentially, aside from personal preference, why should a given link to this site be added to an article? Ravensfire (talk) 14:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
    Valid question and I think the answer (for me, anyway) is that there is no reason aside from personal preference. I'd say that this answer is the same as the answer I would expect someone to give for a TV series when determining whether to link to IMDB or thetvdb.com, or having a preference for both.
    Here is a sampling of pages for TV series that link to both IMDB and thetvdb.com:
    Breakout Kings
    The Tick (1994 TV series)
    The Borderers Azuravian (talk) 05:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
    because sometimes that is the only choice for some pieces of info and can be considered reliable enough? Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 12:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
    also, now that I remember how I got stuck into this, it was because I wanted to add a movie poster with a free image rationale that came from there. I couldn't link to it and had to find something else, even less good as a source. That was a clear exemple of when the ban hurts editing. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 13:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
    @RavensfireLooking more into this. The WP:CITEIMDB says that using imdb for infos on movies is disputed but not banned. The majority of basic info (we are not talking about reviews here) are collectivelly gathered in both imdb or tmdb.
    Similarly to what Azuravian was saying, why ban one and not the other? I don't see any logic on the preferential treatement that imdb gets. Tmdb seems to me like an equally respectable source.
    @A. B. Oversight can be done collectivelly, Misplaced Pages *chooses* to not engage in personal research. There are many kind of reliable sources already in use on wikipedia, it's not like journalism is the only thing that we accept. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 19:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
    @Cinemaandpolitics There is absolutely no requirement to have a working link to the source of a non-free file, the requirement is that you clearly state where you get it (which actually is from the producers of the poster, not from the site that posts it und a same non-free use rationale). Moreover, you could have requested whitelisting for that purpose (though also there we would have sent you to the original source of the file). Dirk Beetstra 05:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
    You are absolutelly right, and I think I just didn't find it under a reliable producer website and had to use (from memory) another random site. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 16:29, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

    @RavensfireLooking more into this. The WP:CITEIMDB says that using imdb for infos on movies is disputed but not banned. The majority of basic info (we are not talking about reviews here) are collectivelly gathered in both imdb or tmdb.
    Similarly to what Azuravian was saying, why ban one and not the other? I don't see any logic on the preferential treatement that imdb gets. Tmdb seems to me like an equally respectable source.
    @A. B. Oversight can be done collectivelly, Misplaced Pages *chooses* to not engage in personal research. There are many kind of reliable sources already in use on wikipedia, it's not like journalism is the only thing that we accept.
    — User:Cinemaandpolitics 19:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

    @Cinemaandpolitics because tmdb was spammed with confessed site owner showing strongly that they intended continue to push for their links to be included over a long period of time. That narrative has not changed and is repeated (almost verbatim) in this thread by the current requester. In all these years there are no independent requests that this site is needed by editors who edit 'in the field', but there is a significant history of spam. Whitelisting specific links will do.
    Dirk Beetstra 04:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
    I have no connection whatsoever with tmdb owners, I don't have an account there, and I was not even aware of this conflict before finding out the hard way. I do plan to edit more cinema pages and I'll request a whitelist as you suggest. Still this whole approach seems sketchy to me, if tmdb spammed in the past but now it is a major player that is relevant, rules have got to change at some point. I understand that you don't want their link to be added en masse together with imdb, but still. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 08:58, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
    Not you. And there is a huge difference between adding 'en masse' and spamming. Dirk Beetstra 04:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
    In my opinion, this is an extremely biased assessment and in some areas directly false. I'm far from a WP expert, so maybe I'm missing something, but from my research a couple of months back when I wanted to add a link to some information that IMDB did not have, this is what I found:
    2008
    Nov. 19-22, 2008: User Travisbell (who, at the time, was the site owner and still works there, as far as I know) added links to TMDB pages for a grand total of 14 movies over 4 days in 2008. This is the issue that triggered the initial blacklist addition. Within this time, he receives 4 notes requesting that he stop, which were not responded to. As the account was new, I assume that he was unaware of the Talk Page.
    Nov. 26, 2008: User Erik adds TMDB to the Proposed Additions for the Spam Blacklist, citing the fact that "Editor's sole contributions have been to promote the site."
    Dec. 2, 2008: The site is marked as added to the blacklist by user A. B. with no discussion within the proposed additions page.
    Dec. 7, 2008: Travisbell received a response from EVula to a request asking why one of the links was removed. The response stated, accurately for the time, that TMDB was not a notable site like IMDB, Metacritic, or Rotten Tomatoes.
    2016
    Oct. 18, 2016: Travisbell attempts to add a link to TMDB to the article for Kodi which already specified (without a link) that TMDB is one of the primary sources for Kodi to obtain its metadata for movies. User then adds TMDB to the proposed removals upon being unable to make the edit. The request states that user is "not sure why this is".
    Oct. 19, 2016: The proposed removal receives its first response from Ravensfire stating "Maybe, just maybe, it's from your mass addition of your site which strongly looked like the start of a spam campaign back in 2008." Further discussion occurs between Travisbell and Cyphoidbomb regarding notability guidelines. The request is marked as Declined by user Guy stating "Misguided request, and as an aside, creating an article on your website is pretty much the worst idea you've ever had." When asked for an explanation, Guy responds in a similar rude and sarcastic tone as Ravensfire. Travisbell states that he made ~10 edits eight years ago and stopped when told to. User Nihonjoe apologizes to Travisbell regarding his treatment stating "There is never any reason for an editor being so rude when it's clear the person making the inquiry is trying to work within the rules."
    Oct. 20, 2016: Based on advice from Nihonjoe, Travisbell creates an article draft within his user page and asks Nihonjoe if there are problems with the page based on Misplaced Pages guidelines/rules. Travisbell's note to Nihonjoe is his final contribution.
    Oct. 27, 2016: Nihonjoe responds that the article would need to have citations that meet the reliable sources requirements before it would be acceptable.
    TL;DR - The evidence does not, IMO, show that "site owner strongly that they intended continue to push for their links to be included over a long period of time" nor is there "a significant history of spam." Fourteen external links sixteen years ago hardly counts as either significant or "over a long period of time".
    P.S.: This is just to set the record straight. Multiple editor's have acted (or spoken) as though Travisbell is engaging in bad faith with no evidence to support that assertion. I am under no delusion that any of the editor's with authority to remove TMDB from the blacklist will do so. Azuravian (talk) 23:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
    I agree with Azuravian that "Fourteen external links sixteen years ago hardly counts as either significant or "over a long period of time". Especially from a new account that probably didn't read the messages on talk page.
    I guess that the tone of the conflict arises from tmdb beeing community built, and imdb existing and WP having trouble dealing with that already. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 08:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
    @Azuravian and Cinemaandpolitics: 14 edits by a clear COI account not heeding any warnings. You expect us to run behind people until they respond, cleaning up the mess? Some of us have years and years of experience, and seen the cases where you block the spammer, and they continue with the same using a sock. Having your links on Misplaced Pages pays your bills, why be deterred by warnings or blocks? Misplaced Pages is not a game of whack-a-mole: it was not notable in 2008, it was not notable in 2010, it was not notable in 2016, it was not notable in 2021 (and it was salted in 2022). I doubt it is notable now. And if a site owner is adding their own links in 2008, a coi editor is here in 2010 trying to create a clear advertising page, and the site owner is back trying to create a page on the same subject themselves again in 2016 then that is rather long term. Even if they cannot spam the links to their sites, their insistence to have TMBD on Misplaced Pages is 'long term spamming'.
    And then, we combine that with NO granted whitelist requests (the only granted whitelist requests were for the page, which was since deleted), suggesting that there is no significant need, nor use, for these links. Dirk Beetstra 21:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
    Believe it or not there are intricacies to Misplaced Pages policies and even notifications. But I do understand you having a different opinion and assuming bad faith.
    Regarding notability, I couldn't find much sources commenting on Tmdb so you are probably right, as a veteran editor, to not deem it notable as of 2024. Cinemaandpolitics (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
    Not bad faith, experience. One editor reporting, one editor adding it to the blacklist, and me endorsing. Did all of us assume bad faith? That there is a second Single Purpose Account 2 years later promoting a website that 14 (16?) years later is still not notable, says enough that this experience with spammers is correct. Dirk Beetstra 04:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
    I don't think they are mutually exclusive. Your experience with other bad faith actors informs your assumptions about new editors.
    Like I said previously, I am not under any delusion that anything I say will have any impact on any decisions made. That has been made abundantly clear. Azuravian (talk) 21:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

    www.blog.roblox.com

    I'm creating a wikipedia article on the late co-founder of Roblox, Erik Cassel. But the only reliable sources of him are from blog.roblox.com links. The blog.roblox.com domain is the official blog maintained by employees of ROBLOX Corporation, giving accurate information about the company. The specific links are a tribute written by the current founder, and an interview with the person in question. I tried to go through the whitelist, but apparently the whole thing is blacklisted. The article on Erik Cassel would benefit from these sources, as it provides first-hand details about his professional achievements, contributions to ROBLOX, and personal qualities. This information is otherwise unavailable in comparable detail and reliability. Ge0loz (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

     Defer to Whitelist OhNoitsJamie 15:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
    But the only reliable sources of him are from blog.roblox.com links -> then he's not notable and doesn't deserve an article. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

    Discussion

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    Archiving time

    A bunch of recent requests got archived Special:Diff/1239133035/1239171878 but no action was taken. In fact the log has no updates since May 2024: MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist/log. Is this think on auto pilot? -- GreenC 04:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

    The bot will archive it after seven days with no comments, even if it hasn't been done (Another example). ClumsyOwlet (talk) 00:30, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
    Nothing has been done since May... maybe we should increase the archive bot timer to at least 3 months. -- GreenC 00:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
    Increased to 90 days -- GreenC 14:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)
    And now we are stuck with a lot of handled requests. I’m lowering again. Dirk Beetstra 21:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

    Hijacked WordPress

    is a legit website, but it looks like their WordPress was hijacked and they now host Robux scams on a subpage. Is there a way of handling those? The URL doesn't seem to change but I am not sure if I should post it here. I think I saw these types of websites before, apologies if there was a previous discussion about this. win8x (talking | spying) 04:24, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

    I've seen 3 different accounts/IPs in the last days with that website, all saying the same thing. I am not active often, there are likely many more. Apart from the WordPress exploit, it is a legitimate webiste (one that would probably not be referenced though). Unsure if it should be on the blacklist. win8x (talking | spying) 04:27, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
    We could blacklist the "mimeprague.cz/wp-content/uploads/" path rather than the entire domain if needed. XXBlackburnXx (talk) 01:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    I don't know how I didn't think this was possible. I don't know if disruption has continued though. win8x (talking | spying) 01:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    • Link/text requested to be blacklisted: mimeprague.cz/wp-content/uploads/

    to make it easier to blacklist it. please check report. --Dirk Beetstra 18:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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