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== September 2024 ==
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:The reason I have done this is that it has been six years since you were blocked, with no appeals that I am aware of. While we do allow blocked users some latitude on their own talk page, just coming by to delete things off your talk page without even attempting to get unblocked over such a long period of time just seems unproductive and frankly, unhealthy.
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Having consulted {{u|Just Step Sideways}}, I shall restore your talk page access. However, I have also declined {{UTRS|93760}}, and my advice to you is that making another unblock request is almost certain to be a waste of your time and anyone else's time who reviews the request. As I said at UTRS, your recent history at Wikidata does not encourage me to think that unblocking you would be constructive, and I really can't see any likelihood at all that a community discussion would lead to unblocking. ] (]) 22:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
== Location ==
== Your Service Award ==
I'm in the DC area (in fact, I just signed up for the DC meetup on December 9th). -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 19:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


{{Sagacious Editor}}
:No, haven't eaten at Marrakesh. My wife and I have only been in the DC area for about a year and a half; she works downtown (actually, not to far from that restaurant) but we live in Silver Spring, so we don't eat in the city that often. Can't say that we're into Moroccan food, possibly because of the belly dancers, possibly because the last time we ate at such a restaurant, years ago (in Northern California) a waiter spilled several glasses of water on my wife's plate of food. -- <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">] </font> ] 19:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hi there Mr Norton. I came across you totally at random. Looks like you've run into some unpleasantness. That sucks, and you have my sympathy. That doesn't mean I have any idea who did what or why or when or whose fault it was. Just that, right or wrong, it sure sucks to get piled on so heavily and then shown the door after being here so long. I do feel badly for you.


On the merits, quick glance shows that you seem to have some fair points about some things at least. But we'll not talk about that now.
== TfD nomination of ] ==
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''Any''ways, when I made the ] awards, I was adamant that they applied to everyone the same, always, whether you were banned, dead, serving ten to twenty in the Iowa State Penitentiary, or anything else. No political considerations can ever enter into it. Therefore allow me to award you your current service award. You are at an extremely high level, highest I've seen. I'm sure that, regardless of anything else, that you have made many valuable contributions to the project, and I thank you for your service.
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I have some ideas for a possible appeal if you want one, contact me. Regardless, godspeed and dread nought. ] (]) 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
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: - A well deserved award. RAN's titanic contributions to human knowledge will continue to benefit humanity for at least as long as there's an internet. ] (]) 13:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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* Thanks! I was just blocked at Wikidata after asking a new Admin guy to restore some items deleted out-of-process, that were created by a third party, their response was to permaban '''me''' without any warning. See: ] If anyone con contact someone from the WMF and send them the link to the ban, it would be helpful.
::- The noticeboard discussion you linked to is truly shocking. Sadly my contacts at WMF have long since left (not that they were ever able to assist much with reigning in permabanners or even with memorializing fallen heroes.) I hope someone else is able to help, or if not I guess maybe you could take your talent & energies to a ], at least for a while. There are changes underway in the collective unconscious; it's possible in another five years or so, Misplaced Pages will once again be relatively hospitable for inclusionists. PS - unfortunately, it's probably best not to reply. Deleting messages from your talk page is one thing, but there are admins who might see taking part in any sort of conversation that's not about getting yourself unblocked (on this project – not on other projects) as a reason to revoke Talk Page access. PPS Hope you saw Herostratus's kind offer to contact them about ideas for appeal, maybe there will be some way for them to help if you email them. ] (]) 16:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|FeydHuxtable}} Wikidata does not have much patience for the amount of haggling and divisivity he was engaging in and pushing, respectively. To be frank, Wikidata rejects the concept of ] and consequently, no one is given a pass for the content work they have done or could do. The foundation respects that and will not intervene. Richard was given multiple chances to fairly appeal their block and instead continued to try to sow divisibility by listing users on his userpage as holding views they did not necessarily hold.--] ] 16:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
* I think he is referring to keeping track of the permaban/deletion debate by listing people with a more liberal view of Wikidata:Notability and inclusion, and linking to their arguments; and listing people with a more conservative view of Wikidata:Notability, and exclusion and linking to their arguments. Somehow this is seen as sinister. They also objected to me linking to the archived permaban debate on my talk page, it has been removed twice now, and I am now blocked from using my Wikidata talk page. The rational was that adding the link to the debate was "misuse" of my talk page. Remember this all started by ] asking that several Wikidata entries be restored that were deleted out-of-process. ] (]) 16:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


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*Congrats on the DYK! The nomination was my idea, but the credit for the creation of the article belongs to you. ] 20:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::Very nice.] 10:16, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


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== ] ==

Step 3 of a DRV says "Inform the administrator who deleted the page by adding the following on their user talk page: <nowiki>{{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}}</nowiki>". Please bother to do so in future. ]&nbsp;] 16:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

==Access date==
I've tried several different variations of the date in this citation and they all come up as either a redlink or as it did here . Do you have any other ideas of how to fix it? ] 16:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Page names ==

I appreciate the work your doing cleaning up and improving biographies. However I'm a bit mystified by some renamings. You moved "]" to "]" despite every source calling her just "Glenda Green". You moved "]" to "]", again despite that being a very rare usage. I think that ] and ] call on us to use the most common name. When there's a conflict it's best to append a qualifier (for example "Edward Weston (photographer)" rather than adding in unsed middle names. Am I wrong in believing that's standard practice? ]] ] 22:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I move the article name already for you, since the above user is right about the naming convention. Hope you don't mind. <font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">] <sub>]]</sub></font> 02:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== References ==

Just a friendly note. Your reference for ] in ] is not a good one, since it requires people to log in. So people without an account might not be able to look at it. <font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">] <sub>]]</sub></font> 02:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== image query ==

Hi, I am wanting to move ] to commons so that it can be used on ]. However, I dont see any evidence that it has been licensed under CC on the mentioned source http://earlyaviators.com . Could you clarify please.. ] 10:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I will ask Ernie, the copyright holder to forward a letter to me again. Sadly I lost my hotmail archive, when Microsoft deleted my account for not logging in often enough. I lost 10 years of emails.

== Genealogy wiki ==

Check your watchlist on the genealogy wiki. Now that I've played around with Misplaced Pages, I finally understand the powerfulness of the Wiki concept. Made some contributions. Will expand.] 10:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

==An application of BIO==
I got involved in ] at AfD. Can you look at the references and let me know whether you think I'm right on his notability. He is not an important topic, but this illustrates an important application of the BIO and Notability rules. I think that the Minnesota Public Radio spot is just about enough, then the mention in PC World, while not in-depth clearly is saying this person is noticed. The other comixtalk source is marginal, but I think that it adds to credibilty. It appeares that Comixtalk has a blog section, but where he is covered is more akin to an online magazine in a scheduled and dated issue. Cheers! --] 15:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== Clem ==

Please hold off on restoring the note until we can talk a bit. At minimum these are creating confusion in the AfD. --] 17:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings on referencing to a subject's site. In this case, I think that it is over done. Since we do not allow autobiography, there is a fine line when we reference to autobiographies. I don't want to prohibit referencing to the sites of subjects, but how do we set objective standards? --] 17:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC) (1956 - ?)

I'm not a big advocate for prohibition of autobio ofr referece, just see limits as appropriate. If you read throught the AfD on CLem though there is opposition. I'll read through ]. ] requires independence for establishing notability, but that does no specifically effect the references.

A proble that I have seen at AfD is that through either cunning or ignorance, proponents for deletion attack the weak references to cloud the strength of the good references. In defending article against AfD in the past, I've found that removing the weak references gives an article a better chance of surviving the AfD as the focus moves from red herrings to logic. WP is not a perfect world, but off the golf course there is no perfect world, and on the course there are few perfect strokes. --] 17:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Richard, please take a look at the section which I added to the bottom of the AfD at Mitch Clem. I'm not seeing any guideline to refute your position. However, I do think that we can over footnote to obscure the forrest with trees. --] 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:: PS: I will revert my removal of the notes but put them into a separate "Notes" section which segrates these from references. --] 18:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hope you don't take this personal. But I think it has no content. Sorry. <font color="blue" face="Papyrus" size="3">] <sub>]]</sub></font> 00:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
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== Thanks for saving the article! ==

Hello, Mr. Norton, and thanks for attempting to save my ]! For that, I give you this barnstar: <br>
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I've been following that afd also, it all seems very heated. Since it was only nominated 3 days ago, maybe, just maybe a consensus can still be reached, here's hoping anyways. -- ] (]) 20:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

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Quote from bottom of AFD - "Comment I agree with Agavtouch that one needs only to match just a few of the users who voted Keep here with the client list of 5W Public Relations which is listed on Misplaced Pages as adverts. It is a sad sham. Also transparent spin tactics used by the employees of 5W Public Relations to attempt to divert attention and attack those who have voted delete from the many gross and documented violations of SPAM and NPOV committed by Torossian and his paid employees. Lastly, please note how Torossian & Co. continue to delete any mention on this article of the New York Post news story illustrating malice and bad faith created by Torossian against the NYC PR industry. Not very objective. Heathspic (talk) 17:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)"

* Perhaps you can add ]'s ] piece to the delete page, I am not certain ] and ] are aware of it.
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*I come to you realizing here too that maybe I should no longer be involved, but this has become more of a circus and an exhibit into Wiki tolerance. I invite you to scrutinize any of my edits. While placing an article about something I have involvement with may be seen by some as a blatant Wiki violation, I also know that many articles are started by people who have deep knowledge, hobby interest, or first hand experience with a topic, even if there is no financial interest, it is a closeness that drives the piece. If done right and notability is there, there is nothing wrong with it as I see it. Being open about it helps too. I know that these three parties to the deletion are a person with little Wiki concern and a huge axe to grind. I have edited and added articles for a year and a half on many topics, most of which I am familiar with and have researched. Thank you. ] (]) 18:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Copy edit ==

I copy edited ] and renominated it. I think you could improve your GAC success with a few minor pointers. You do excellent research. I’ll throw out 2 grammatical pointers and 2 ] pointers:
#<nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> tags should follow a punctuation with no space between and follow each other with no space between
#Alphabetize your categories

#Don’t split your noun verb constructions. I.E., Then, he went is preferred to He then went.
#Another big improvement might be found at ]. Think about your independent and dependent phrases. Independent phrases are joined either by a semicolon or a comma and a conjunction. However, if they are not both independent just a conjunction is necessary. I.e, either “He did this and that.” or “He did this, and he did that.”

I would be glad to copy edit another of your articles that has not yet made GA. Who is the most important aviator on your list or the article you think could benefit most from a copy edit?--] <small>(]/]/]/]) </small> 22:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

:Will look at ]. My example before was not that good. Actually, a better example is either “He did this first and did that afterwards.” or “He did this first, and he did that afterwards.” This is a better example because the previous example was a list of two things versus two independent phrases. This is an independent and dependent phrase versus two independents. Basically, see if a phrase has both a noun and a verb. If so, it is independent and needs to be conjoined accordingly with other independent phrases. If it is verb lacking a subject it relies on a subject from another phrase and is thus dependent. The lower of the two edits is a good example. The one at the top sounds incorrect because whiile is an awkward conjunction. I may even be wrong, but I am going with the conjunction rule as I understand it. Anyways, my advice to you would be to pay attention to where your independent phrases are when you write and you will probably seem like a better writer. Anyways, I am off to look at Wallenberg.--] <small>(]/]/]/]) </small> 16:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
::That page is pretty well conjoined. I am going to have to go back and look at my GMAT prep book to remember some more complicated referent rules to do a better copy edit on that page, but will do so in the next few weeks. I am going to brush up on my copyediting and this page is a great challenge. I will do what I can with the rules I remember right now.--] <small>(]/]/]/]) </small> 16:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Back to O'Malley. What kind of was he. Did he operate a subway train or was he engaged in ]?--] <small>(]/]/]/]) </small> 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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In all I have spent about 2 hours with ]. I think that it is destined for ]. It requires editorial skills I do not excel at to retain its ]. It needs someone to chop out things or track down proper refs for large chunks of unsourced text. It needs to have several {{tl|fact}} tags added. I had volunteered for an article that is grammatical duress. I am not good at tracking down other people's sources. Therefore, I mostly work on articles from redlink or stub class. I can spend more time with the article, but my efforts will not save it. If you have anything that is more in need of grammatical repair, I could probably help in a way that would more likely lead to a promotion. However, I am willing to stick with this article.--] <small>(]/]/]/]) </small> 22:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hi, this article was a wreck. I didn't have much time, but I tried to make some fairly radical changes to bring it back to a decent state, after a series of edits by Attila Lajos (who wrote his PhD thesis on Wallenberg ) that gave the article a rather non-neutral point of view. I hope that I can draw some attention to it so that you or someone else can give it the time it deserves. &ndash;] 21:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:Hi, thanks for the quick response. It is not only that his English isn't good, but that he is in fact making the argument, in the article, that Wallenberg's importance in the Hungarian Holocaust rescue is vastly overstated. This diverges radically from most of the published information I am able to find about Wallenberg on the web. Disregarding whether his edits count as original research, and leaving aside the fact that I don't have any idea what the truth of the matter is, but if Lajos's points are to be included in the article at all, they must be presented ''in contrast'' to the conventional viewpoint, rather than replace it ''in toto''. &ndash;] 21:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

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You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abuse of editing privileges. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Misplaced Pages's guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System.  Just Step Sideways 19:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
The reason I have done this is that it has been six years since you were blocked, with no appeals that I am aware of. While we do allow blocked users some latitude on their own talk page, just coming by to delete things off your talk page without even attempting to get unblocked over such a long period of time just seems unproductive and frankly, unhealthy.
Note that as a community-imposed block, UTRS can only re-grant talk page access, it cannot lift the block. If you aren't planning to try and appeal the block, please just move on. Just Step Sideways 19:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)


Having consulted Just Step Sideways, I shall restore your talk page access. However, I have also declined UTRS appeal #93760, and my advice to you is that making another unblock request is almost certain to be a waste of your time and anyone else's time who reviews the request. As I said at UTRS, your recent history at Wikidata does not encourage me to think that unblocking you would be constructive, and I really can't see any likelihood at all that a community discussion would lead to unblocking. JBW (talk) 22:23, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Your Service Award

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This editor is Ephoros of the Encyclopedia and is entitled to keep this floor plan of The Great Library of Alecyclopedias with magnifying glass, signed by Jimbo with a silver marker, and including its cardboard carrying tube.

Hi there Mr Norton. I came across you totally at random. Looks like you've run into some unpleasantness. That sucks, and you have my sympathy. That doesn't mean I have any idea who did what or why or when or whose fault it was. Just that, right or wrong, it sure sucks to get piled on so heavily and then shown the door after being here so long. I do feel badly for you.

On the merits, quick glance shows that you seem to have some fair points about some things at least. But we'll not talk about that now.

Anyways, when I made the WP:SERVICE awards, I was adamant that they applied to everyone the same, always, whether you were banned, dead, serving ten to twenty in the Iowa State Penitentiary, or anything else. No political considerations can ever enter into it. Therefore allow me to award you your current service award. You are at an extremely high level, highest I've seen. I'm sure that, regardless of anything else, that you have made many valuable contributions to the project, and I thank you for your service.

I have some ideas for a possible appeal if you want one, contact me. Regardless, godspeed and dread nought. Herostratus (talk) 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

- A well deserved award. RAN's titanic contributions to human knowledge will continue to benefit humanity for at least as long as there's an internet. FeydHuxtable (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- The noticeboard discussion you linked to is truly shocking. Sadly my contacts at WMF have long since left (not that they were ever able to assist much with reigning in permabanners or even with memorializing fallen heroes.) I hope someone else is able to help, or if not I guess maybe you could take your talent & energies to a non WMF project, at least for a while. There are changes underway in the collective unconscious; it's possible in another five years or so, Misplaced Pages will once again be relatively hospitable for inclusionists. PS - unfortunately, it's probably best not to reply. Deleting messages from your talk page is one thing, but there are admins who might see taking part in any sort of conversation that's not about getting yourself unblocked (on this project – not on other projects) as a reason to revoke Talk Page access. PPS Hope you saw Herostratus's kind offer to contact them about ideas for appeal, maybe there will be some way for them to help if you email them. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@FeydHuxtable: Wikidata does not have much patience for the amount of haggling and divisivity he was engaging in and pushing, respectively. To be frank, Wikidata rejects the concept of vested contributors and consequently, no one is given a pass for the content work they have done or could do. The foundation respects that and will not intervene. Richard was given multiple chances to fairly appeal their block and instead continued to try to sow divisibility by listing users on his userpage as holding views they did not necessarily hold.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
  • I think he is referring to keeping track of the permaban/deletion debate by listing people with a more liberal view of Wikidata:Notability and inclusion, and linking to their arguments; and listing people with a more conservative view of Wikidata:Notability, and exclusion and linking to their arguments. Somehow this is seen as sinister. They also objected to me linking to the archived permaban debate on my talk page, it has been removed twice now, and I am now blocked from using my Wikidata talk page. The rational was that adding the link to the debate was "misuse" of my talk page. Remember this all started by Wikidata:Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2024/09#h-Q126487673-20240910172200 asking that several Wikidata entries be restored that were deleted out-of-process. RAN (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas RAN! FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pyne banking family has been nominated for renaming

Category:Pyne banking family has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 06:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)