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== In appreciation ==
==GA & ArticleHistory==
I'm finalizing the next issue of the GA Newsletter, and there's a section in it about the {{tl|ArticleHistory}}. If you want to take a look at it, ]. Feel free to make any changes that you might want to add. Thanks! ] 01:02, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


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Very nice; I'll ask Gimmetrow to have a look. Some changes:
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* " ... go to the article's history and click on the date of the most recent edit." (click on the version of the article review or GA listing ... not necessarily the most recent edit)
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Thanks Derek! ] (]) 01:10, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hi Sandy! I was assigned to the AD article a long while ago with some peers in my class and have been keeping tabs on the article since then. Similar to the previous barnstar (above), I'm honestly a huge fan of your work - you were super helpful back when I was learning the ropes of Misplaced Pages editing and I wanted to come back and say THANK YOU for all that. I hope all is well and that you know all your efforts are appreciated and remembered :) ] (]) 20:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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== Thank you! ==
:Thanks! I've implemented your suggestions. ] 01:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | To SandyGeorgia on the occasion of the ] being '''kept'''. You put in years of work keeping this article honest. Thank you! -] (]) 17:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
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== A g.o.a.t. for you! ==
Hi SandyGeorgia,


]
There's been an ongoing...discussion between myself and another contributor at ]. Discussion is pretty charitable as we've both gotten rather hot under the collar over the issue. Words were said, sarcasm unleashed, extremely polite insults hurled. Anyway, the other editor (]) is the husband of ], for whom the protocol is named, and in obvious COI, but since being warned has been very good about engaging on the talk page rather than edit warring. He is now attempting to provide a more thorough description of the protocol, and is currently adding sources to a draft on the talk page. I've some concerns about the reliability and validity of the sources as it is a page about a variant of ] (]). But given the history of acrimony (one of the more polite disputes I've had on wikipedia, but still a dispute) I'm not the best person to make a judgement. In addition, you've a much better mastery of WP:MEDMOS and the requisite sources than I, so I thought you'd be able to provide a more nuanced analysis and discussion than I.
When I grow up I want to do edits like you do Sandy, you are the g.o.a.t. in my book.


] (]) 04:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Would you mind having a gander? It'd be doing me a huge favour, which I could never repay... I'm not sure how that's supposed to entice you.
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== A cup of tea for you! ==
The page doesn't get much traffic, and ] has also been dragged in to a certain extent, but I haven't seen him there in a while. Otherwise, any suggestions would be good.


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Thanks,
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | :-) <!-- I can’t find anything I want from the default WikiLove extension ( https://www.mediawiki.org/WikiLove ); but I’m a ] editor with lazy moments ... So that’s it. I hope you don’t mind. How’re things going? Miss you much. --> --] (]) 07:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Request for input ==
] 02:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


Sandy, I know you're quite busy, but I was wondering if you could spare the time sometime to look over ]. I either slipped a substandard article through FAC in 2020, or my perfectionism is flaring up again. Or maybe a mix of the two. ] <sub> '']''</sub> 03:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
p.s. I'm not sure if you're a he or she, or would rather not say. So I've referred to you as they/them on the talk page. Hope you don't mind.
:It may be a bit over my head, but I'll have a look tomorrow and try to lend a hand (it's a bit late here now). ] (]) 02:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
::I have the utmost respect for the height of your head. ] 03:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


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::Hey, I went ahead and looked because it's so short; you got nothing there to work with, and you need not exert so much effort on a self-promotional article :-) Without any sources, it's just another person pushing their product. If someone doesn't cough up some reliable sources, the article needs to be reduced to what can be reliably said, which is very little. ] (]) 03:28, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
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:Goodness, this has already been solidly dealt with in the ''New York Times''; the article gives ] to the claims, and needs to deal with the issue raised here. Google is your friend.
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:*{{cite news|url=http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/15/fashion/15suzanne.html?pagewanted=all|title=A Battle Over ‘Juice of Youth’|publisher=New York Times|author=Ellin, Abby|date=], ]|accessdate=2007-12-01}} ] (]) 04:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
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==Invitation to provide feedback==
=== Wiley Protocol 2 ===
Inspired by Worm That Turned's ] where he noted administrators don't get a lot of feedback or suggestions for improvement, I have decided to solicit feedback. I'm reaching out to you as you are currently one of the users I've selected as part of my ]. I hope you will consider taking a few moments to fill out my ''''''. Clicking on the link will load the questions and create a new section on my user talk. Thanks for your consideration. Best, ] (]) 16:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


== Help with ] ==
I'm just trying to get a description of Wiley Protocol into the article. I've given up fighting Wiley's detractors, I don't care how much criticism they level. There are thousands of women doing very well on the protocol and there is an observational study running at U of Texas, and two of the principal investigators from the Women's Health Initiative are ramping a full-blown clinical trial. This is notable.


Hi Sandy, I know you aren't super active as of right now but your name has come up a couple times when I've reached out to others and I know you have quite a bit of experience with WPMED and the FAC proccess. I am trying to get ] to FAC and I'm seeking input from anyone who can help. I've opened a peer review at ] if you would like to weigh in. Thanks in advance and I hope you are doing well. ]] <sup>(])</sup> 23:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Please see my comments in the Talk page for Wiley Protocol


== NPP Coordination ==
] 05:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


To answer your ], {{u|Hey man im josh}} would probably be the right ] to ask about such things in the future. Best, ] (]) 15:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I think yuo've made some questionable revisions to the Wiley Protocol article without discussion. The spirit of this thing, because it is so contentious, is to discuss first, edit second. I wrote two paragraphs about the WP, with footnotes, can we please get back to that. And why you would cite Dr. Taguchi as an unreliable source is beyond me. Please explain or I will revert it. ] (]) 17:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


:Yeah, I'm usually available to help out and take a look into things. {{noping|Novem Linguae}} is another great option as the lead coordinator, as is {{noping|Rosguill}} who, while not listed as a coordinator, is arguably our best admin in the NPP realm. {{noping|Significa liberdade}} and {{noping|Clovermoss}} are another couple who I've seen making effort to help coach up and address issues with patrollers. There's obviously other admins involved as well, but those are the folks that I've noticed putting their foot forward for communication, coaching, and to address possible issues with patrollers directly. Though to be clear, I think you took the right approach by reaching out to discus the issue with them first. ] (]) 16:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
::{{ping|Barkeep49|Joe Roe|Hey man im josh}} thanks so much for looking in. It seems that we finally have a promising new Venezuelan editor, and I'm so sorry I simply have no free time to help better guide them, and no one I can recommend to do that either. Real life has been unkind and I can barely keep up (BK49, I realize I owe you another response to a query still on this page <sigh>) ... ] (]) 21:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


==Io Saturnalia!==
For the words of assurance. The article is shaping up so well, that I am thinking of taking it GA in two weeks or something. Cheers. <font face="Kristen ITC" color="deeppink">]</font><sup>(] • ])</sup> 06:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


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FAR is still quite overloaded but it's hard to close many of them because of few comments. ] and ] could both use an extra comment in FARC; I notice you were working on the latter. ] 08:05, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:What does "Those ref labels are still dead and need to be fixed" mean wrt ]? ] 19:22, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Referencing advice ==

Thanks for dropping by the ] article and for the edits you made to it! I wanted to ask you for some advice about referencing. If an entire section of the article is based on a single reference, how do you cite that? Also, do you add that reference to the beginning or the end of the section? (Would it be a good idea to ask for additional sources so that the entire section is not based on a single reference?) –] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I see that a very similar question was just brought up in ]. Sorry to bother you. –] 18:44, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Are you certain everything in that section is sourced to that book and that one page? That's a lot of info from one page. If so, I also suggest a one-line introduction: so-and-so's book, ''such-and-such'' discusses blah, blah, blah. It wouldn't hurt to use a named ref on each paragraph. (See ].) ] (]) 00:09, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

::Actually I'm not sure. But since the primary editor seemed to have claimed in the article's talk page that he normally only puts a reference at the end of a paragraph that applies to the entire paragraph, I was assuming that it might be true. He's on wikibreak so I can't ask, nor do I have access to all of the books listed. Maybe the safest thing to do is to tag the section with citation requests...? –] 00:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure what he will respond best to; I've not had luck in the past. ] (]) 00:24, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cap ==

I felt that since the cap is between two now signed comments, adding my name in the header was redundant. I wanted not to hide the entire discussion anymore. ] 01:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Goings-on archival ==

Looks like you did it correctly. Thanks for investigating about a bot further. <span style="whitespace:nowrap;">—&nbsp;]::''']'''</span> 04:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Hi. Thanks for working on the article. I didn't know that you now had the extra responsibility of being the FA director too. Congratulations. You have my full support. - ] (]) 05:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:No problem! I am not the FA director; I'm just a delegate to help the director :-) ] (]) 05:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Your talk page appears on . See ] and ] for details on the issue. Your archive subpage uses {{tl|archive box collapsible}}, which uses {{tl|archive list}} and {{tl|archive list long}}, both of which use a lot of #ifexist calls at the moment. ] 05:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, Gimmetrow; I have absolutely no idea what any of that means :-) I installed collapsible archive boxes on some article too? ] (]) 05:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::My take from Tim Starling's comment about the new preprocessor in ] is that we can wait for a couple of days before worrying about this. There seems to be a good chance that the new preprocessor will fix our problem, without our having to do anything. ] 06:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

==stuttering COI==

Hello SandyGeorgia. I'm afraid I know nothing about the stuttering issue you raise...sorry. Best wishes, ] 09:44, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Ambulance as FA ==

Hi there,

thanks for your comments on the ] article. I have done some of the suggested fixes, but still had some questions, qhich i posted back on its FAC page. Sorry to post them here, but Peer reviewing appears to be chronically under 'staffed', with most articles only getting the automatic peer review. Most of the appropriate editors seem to gravitate to FAC instead. Therefore, I would really appreciate if you could help, as i don't think sending it back to Peer review will be helpful.

The questions or comments (copied from FAC page) are:
::*WP:DASH – All the dashes in the lists are En dashes, which I believe is correct, although I have reinserted them all just in case. Was this what you meant?
::*Captions – Fixed so far as I think is correct for capitals and WP:MOS. Anything I missed?
::*TOC - Is your issue with the TOC itself (if so i can suppress the hierarchy) or with the headings themselves?
::*Cites - all refs use the CITE template, so are in the correct format, and i have now added publishers where missing
::*See also - cleared up and reduced to directly related articles
::*MOSBOLD - I can't see the incorrect use - it is used in the lists, which is one of the reasons you can use it
::*Offending 'sentence' - must of missed that, now fixed
::*MOSNUM - I have reread this, and i'm not immediately seeing the problem, any further advice?
::*'Listy' article - I'm not sure there is any way round this given the variations which occur worldwide. If this was entirely rewritten to prose, it would be much harder to read, and more difficult to find salient information.
::*Subject focus - I think this does stay quite well focused, given that sub headings, such as lights, are integrally linked to ambulances to the majority of readers.
::Thanks in advance for your help. ] (]) 20:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

based on your comments of:
The peer review is quite old, not very complete, and there is a lot of basic MOS cleanup needed. Without even reading beyond the lead, I see incorrect capitalization in image captions, ] issues, ] punctuation issues, a rambling out of control Table of Contents (see ]), and the article is very listy. There is a separate section created for numerous one-paragraph issues; perhaps something like a War heading could be used to tame the TOC. Oh, I see you already have a Military use section, which makes all the other sections even more confusing. Citations are unformatted (see ]) and almost no publishers are identified; See also is out of control (see ]). There is incorrect use of ]. The article doesn't stay tightly focused on its subject, verring into the technology of the flashing lights, for example. There are numerous short, stubby paragraphs. The article has broad sections with no citations. A copy edit is needed (notice this "sentence": The scene was very popular, and its fame spread — During the year 1870, the ambulances attended 1401 emergency calls, but twenty one years later, this had more than tripled to 4392 ... which also has ] issues). Commons links belong in External links. I don't recommend trying to bring this article to status during a FAC because there is frankly a ''lot'' of work to be done, and I suggest a more thorough peer review would be helpful. A lot of these kinds of issues should have been addressed via peer review. ] (]) 19:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ] 12:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
==Gender neutral language==
It seems odd that Tony and you could not get that included in the MOS. It is sure helpful, and I doubt it gets read very much where it is. MOS is the logical place to put it. If you ever decide to open a discussion on MOS about it, please let me know so I can support you. ] 21:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

==Question==
Hi, SandyGeorgia. Quick question. I see Raul654 has given you some new delegation in the ] process. I believe you are a very hard worker but are new to Misplaced Pages. May I ask please 1) what role you will be assuming? and 2) If you know Raul654 in "real life"? (This can make a difference sometimes I realize). Just a question from another newbie (about 1.5 years here). Thank you. I understand Raul654 is appointed by ] to select featured articles and to select placement on the Misplaced Pages home page. I guess I owe you a barnstar for your role whatever it may be. -] 21:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hi, Susan. No, I don't know Raul/Mark in real life, and I've never been to any Wikimania or other Wiki gatherings where I might have met him or other Wikipedians. The role is explained by Raul ]; as he explains it (and I agree), basically, Raul is the FA director, and I "serve" at his pleasure. I don't feel new to Wiki :-) I won't be involved in mainpage selection, but I will be helping with promoting/archiving of featured article candidates. ] (]) 22:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:*Thank you for your reply, SandyGeorgia. So you agree Raul654 is the FAC Director, even though he is appointed by no one. That's fine with me. I did have a question about some of your edits while ] was in featured article review as you know. But I guess I will live. Are you for example, a Misplaced Pages ]? Are you a former ] from another online service? (For example, one could say a long term sysop on ] has some demonstrated credentials.) Sorry I have never had the pleasure of meeting you or seen your photo (I have seen Raul654's photo on his user page). -] 22:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::* Yes, I agree that the community has conferred and affirmed Raul's position as FA director and his broad discretion over the featured article process several times, and I believe that arrangement works well (I hope you've read the discussion at ]). I am not an admin at Misplaced Pages and have not had such a position at another online service such as AOL. No part of the FA process requires the admin tools, and since Raul can boot me if I ever I go astray, I don't feel a need for the admin tools, and it would be strange to apply for them if I don't intend to use them. ] (]) 22:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:::*Well I do object a bit to an editor with limited knowledge being advanced over me. But I will think about it. Good work for applying for the job. Did you request ]? -] 22:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::::*No, she did not. The first time Sandy knew my plans was if he would be willing to take the position. ] 22:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
::::*Weird. A link to email. Well let me catch up a bit and come back to this thread. Maybe some new things happened in the last month or two? Could be. One never knows. -] 22:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::What's weird, Susan, are your questions. Why, with FA related edits that are in the tens of thousands, should she not be approved over you (or me or the guy down the street)? And no one here has to answer questions about what they do off-site. Anyway, Tim Vickers has provided the best description over at Raul's talk. Her tomb raiding is particularly prolific. ] 17:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::*Hi, Marskell. I think you calling my comments weird is going a bit far. My use of the word "weird" above was not in any way related to you or to SandyGeorgia. It was related to a link in a reply from Raul654. But that is fine. You have helped me (I think once, don't recall) in the past. No problems here to speak of except that I feel it necessary to reply to you. But again, that is fine. Best wishes. -] 08:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==The Naked Brothers Band Navigational Template ==

Dear SandyGeorgia,
Could you add a cast column and just add ] since I think she should be on the navigational template since she is "the brain child" of the show and is their real-life mother, I think she should be indicated there. ] 21:51, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:I think the current template is only characters, and I'm not sure it's a good idea for it to grow beyond that. Are you aware of other TV series templates that include that level of information? If so, perhaps propose that addition on the article talk page to see what others think. ] (]) 23:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== The ] article ==

Dear SandyGeorgia,
I understand why you erased that Michael Wolff picture, because that was horriable. But why did have to erase the info box? ] 23:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:I had nothing to do with removing that image (although it was truly awful); it was deleted from Misplaced Pages by someone else. I disagree with the need for infoboxes on many bios, and particularly on that bio. There was no info in the infobox which isn't included already in the article, and without an image, the infobox makes no sense. ] (]) 23:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

== Naked Brothers Band album and songs ==
There's both a Naked Brothers Band (album) and List of The Naked Brothers Band songs

Dear Sandy Georgia,
There's a problem, ] falls underneath ] and The Naked Brothers Band (album) article should be deleted, since there is a lot work to do on that article and it's practically a duplicate anyway. How do you delete an article? ] 00:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, only an admin can delete an article, and it would have to fail notability, be submitted to Prod or be submitted to AfD. You can start by reading ], and then see ] or ], based on whether the article meets notability. Hey, Annie, it would be really helpful if you'd shorten up your section headings; something like "How to delete" would work. ] (]) 00:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

==]==
I read MOSDATE, and took this to mean DON'T wl dates unless there is a specific point, and then I delinked most of the instances of ] in the article: "Misplaced Pages has articles on days of the year, years, decades, centuries and millennia. Link to one of these pages only if it is likely to deepen readers' understanding of a topic." I take it I am misreading this part of the MOS? Also, I will review MOS for captions as you suggested, but my recollection is that using sentence fragments as photo captions is reasonable English practice; for example, "The Hay Draft" would stand on its own without a verb. As someone who is crazy about the serial comma, among other things, I don't see the problem with the fragments under a photo. Your view? ] 14:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:] - "most captions are not sentences, but extended phrases..." ] 14:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::There is no problem with sentence fragments in image captions; the issue is the punctuation. ]:
::*Most captions are not complete sentences, but extended phrases, which should not finish with a period.
::*Complete sentences in captions always end in a period.
::On ], solo ''years'' are not linked; month-day combos are linked so that user preferences on date display will work. Full dates are also linked. Month-year combos are not, since those aren't affected by user prefs. ] (]) 15:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::You are removing retrieval dates from Amazon and Google book searches. Please see ]. If you think the citations were incorrect, the right way to fix those is to add the hyperlink, not delete the accessdate. ] 15:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::: I think you're misreading or misunderstanding; you add a retrieval date when you add a URL. No URLs were given. I'm trying to help with the sourcing so the article can pass FAR, and that article requires a mountain of work to correct the citations (by the way, many of the citations are not reliable and do not verify the text they are associated with). I don't have the time to go dig up every missing URL and add them, but someone else is welcome to. ] (]) 16:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==re:Final Fantasy==
Hiya. I think it's in pretty good shape; however, the bottom two sections could use some polishing. That could be done easily, and it's mostly minor tweaks. &mdash; ''']]''' 18:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Sandy - I don't know if you're still interested in the goings-on there, but having taken the PR topic as far as we can for now, we're currently deciding on which issue to tackle next. Your input would be welcome... ;) ]''<sup><small>]</small></sup>'' 09:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Congratulations! ==

I hear you've finally (almost) succeeded in your nefarious scheme to dethrone Raul654 and replace him as featured article director! Congratulations! He couldn't have chosen a nicer evil mastermind of indeterminate gender! :-)

Seriously though - will deciding whether to award the little star get in the way of your commenting on FACs? I hope it doesn't; that was one of the best things you did in the FA process. --] <sup>]</sup> 22:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

: You are so funny; the $64,000 question :-) Where there's a hole, someone will fill it; when an over-producer steps away, someone else usually steps up to the plate. Eventually, another editor will start to review sources for reliability, make sure text is verified by the source cited, and jump in with sample edits to show editors how to comply with MOS and correct ref formatting. If that never happens, we'll find a model that works—Marskell at FAR has managed to work so well with reviewers and nominators and express his own concerns while still making sound and neutral interpretations of consensus on closing FARs. The same model can't necessarily be applied to the higher volume at FAC, so for now ... while I'm still green, I'm starting very slow, planning to help hold down the backlog by running through the clearcut noms often, and leaving the messy ones to Raul (isn't that unfair to him? :-) There are a few kicking around that concern me, and SG the reviewer would love to just dig in and get them fixed, but there aren't actually so many of those. If I see anything really problematic, I can get involved and leave it to Raul to close. The time it takes to read through and sort out where each reviewer stands on a nom is surprising, and I've developed an appreciation not only for how much Raul has had to do, but also for people who thread their responses correctly, make their objections and supports clear and intelligible, and strike concerns as they are met. The bottom line is that if no one eventually does what I did, it means that what I did wasn't that important. Time will tell :-) ] (]) 22:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== ] problem ==

There is problems with autism scientific peer viewed journal articles that will help correct the ] article

The only thing is scientist say there is no cure, I refer to call it "completely better", and scientist don't explain it clear enough they are trying to say that you can't get completely better from the "Autistic Spectrum", but not necessarily "autism", but the spectrum. The truth is scientist do not know enough information about autism compared to a certified analysis who works with the kids through ], they know so much about autistic's brains but so little about how they think and process things is the problem, that's why this is very tricky to find a peer viewed article that explains this, but I will continue to do so. ] (]) 22:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Take ] as an example, she had autism when she was very young but got completely better from autism but she did not get completely better from the "autistic spectrum", she has ] now. ] (]) 22:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Annie, I saw the changes you wanted to make to the autism article, but the truth is that the article already makes it very clear that some of those treatment methods are effective, so I'm not sure why you're concerned that we don't cover that. Also, we can only report what reliable sources say, and we must avoid anecdote in all articles, but particularly medical articles. Temple Grandin has the same brain wiring she was born with; it's the diagnoses that change over time, and Asperger's didn't exist as a diagnosis when she was young. Also, the lines that divide one diagnosis from another are fuzzy. If you find any reliable sources that the autism article misses, it would be good to post them to the talk page for discussion, but remember to shorten your section headings :-)) ] (]) 23:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay thanx! But just for more info, that ] was not diagnosed with autism when she was younger she was diagnosed with brain damage. Which she said, when she was being interviewed once, and she improved and developed her language at age 4, which aspergers does not mean brain damage or problem delays with language. She had autism until she was 4, and then was diagnosed with Aspergers later on. ] (]) 23:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Congrats!: ==

. I couldn't think of anyone better for the job. :) ] (]) 00:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you, Spawn Man, it's nice of you to drop me a note! ] (]) 02:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

From me, also. So they finally got you. :) —]<sub>]</sub> 19:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:xy, where have you been lately? I've missed you 'round the TS article. Thanks for kind words. ] (]) 02:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==AfD nomination of ]==
Hi Sandy. , I've nominated ] for deletion. Please add your thoughts ]. Regards, ] (]) 03:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Will do after I finish some other things; can't remember who he is :-) ] (]) 03:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Keli Price ==

Dear SandyGeorgia,
There is a problem with adding Keli Price, before the last time I was blocked I created Copyright when I created the article, but I learned my lesson now and it's under protection, meaning it's disabled to create. And I found a reliable source at
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2802157/?fr=c2M9MXxsbT01MDB8ZmI9dXx4PTB8dHQ9MXxteD0yMHx5PTB8aHRtbD0xfGNoPTF8Y289MXxwbj0wfGZ0PTF8a3c9MXxzaXRlPWRmfHE9S2VsaSBQcmljZXxubT0x;fc=1;ft=20 that will work to create it. But how do I enable the block. ] (]) 21:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Annie, for that page; you can contact one of those two admins on their talk pages, explain to them that you found a reliable source and you now understand copyright and other Wiki policies better, and ask them to re-create or allow you to re-create the article, showing them your sources (do you have others?). I can't help any further than that, because I'm not an admin. Good luck ! ] (]) 22:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanx! By the way I do have another reliable source, but I am going to start with this one for now. ] (]) 23:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:But your case to the admin for unprotecting will be stronger if you show more reliable sources and explain that you now understand how to use them. ] (]) 23:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I added these two and , is that good? ] (]) 23:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:That should help! Thank you so much for the kindness below :-) ] (]) 23:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Insight ==

Sandy, I posted some comments ]; perhaps you can offer insight. I have posted the same inquiries to the other users involved. Thanks, --] (]) 21:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== An Award ==

] <br>
This award is for helping me and a lot of other users on Misplaced Pages and helping make Misplaced Pages a great place!
] (]) 23:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== ] and ] ==

Dear SandyGeorgia,
Could you please check the naked bros film and tv series article. I did some changes, wanted to make sure you approved and the same thing for the ] article. By the way I found out how to edit a navigational template. ] (]) 00:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'm in the midst of a lot of work tonight, Annie; I'll check those as soon as I have a free moment. ] (]) 01:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Annie, you've made a lot of progress there, and have turned those into real articles !! I left a lot of little ] changes; if you sort through each one of my changes by looking at each diff in the history tab, you can see changes you can do to other articles. ] (]) 02:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==]==
I was having trouble figuring out how the dates in your example violate ]. As for the violation of ], could that be resolved by getting rid of the "Support and Opposition" heading and just having "Support" and "Opposition" headings (rather than subheadings)? ] (]) 00:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Both Support and Opposition are very short, and they seem to split the text unnecessarily; would it work to just have one heading and two paragraphs without sub-headings, which don't seem necessary? Full dates (month-day-year) should be wikilinked. ] (]) 01:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Merging it into one section does seem like a good idea. But in reference to the dates, are you saying that the date ranges should also be wikilinked? ] (]) 06:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::] explains that autoformatting doesn't work on date ranges, but my understanding is that you can do it like this:
::::*<nowiki>]–], ]</nowiki> to get ]–], ]. I could be wrong, but that's what I usually do. ] (]) 06:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Ah, OK. Thanks. By the way, I notice the citation page says "There is currently no consensus on a preferred citation format for Misplaced Pages"; do I ''have'' to include these "retrieved on" dates? I just think it's redundant since the time of retrieval is implied by the date of the edit in which the reference was added. ] (]) 13:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::Yes, websources need retrieval dates; no, we can't expect editors years from now to sort back through old diffs to find out how to replace a dead link. ] (]) 16:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::OK, I added those and attempted to follow examples from ] and ]. What do you think? ] (]) 20:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::OK, now what do you think of it? I think the 1c and 2 issues are pretty much dealt with. ] (]) 21:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Hey!==
I sent you an email.--] (]) 01:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==Date question==
SandyGeorgia, hi, thank you very much for your help with ]. :) A question that I had though on date-linking. Sorry if I seem confused on this, but sometimes I have trouble getting my head around the subtleties of some formatting issues. My understanding of date-linking, is that we should only link dates that were "important" dates to the topic of the article, and that we should avoid linking ''all'' dates on the page. However, from your edit here, it appears now that all dates should be linked, even if they are simple "date of publication" in a reference? I can definitely accommodate either method, I just wanted to make sure that I'm clear on what the current practice is. Thanks, ]]] 02:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Almost all of your dates in references are linked, yet there are inconsistent, sporadic misses. When I see an article that formats *no* dates in references, I assume it's a strange user preference, and I leave it alone, although I disagree. ] says full dates are linked so user preferences will work. What probably happened in some of your dates is that there was a recent change in the cite templates. Accessdate is automatically linked when you use the yyyy-mm-dd format. While the date parameter previously was not automatically linked, but it was recently changed so that it now is automatically linked when you use the yyyy-mm-dd format, but not when you use Month day, year. That could be part of the difference. Go back and check the date parameters, as well as check if you missed any dashes. Trivial stuff; not that important, but might as well get it right. ] (]) 02:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks, I'll go take a look and see if I can get things cleaned up. :) BTW, do you think that these little formatting issues were the main blocker at the FA nom? I noticed that the page has been at the nomination page for nearly two months now, and I was wondering if there was some major issue I was missing! --]]] 04:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::It's hard to tell why some articles don't get a lot of review, but it may have been the tense issues and questionable sourcing. I hope you can deal with the one cite tag I added. ] (]) 04:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::: I think we've got it all squared away now. We have consensus on the tense issues, the sources have been tightened up, and the punctuation and dates have been cleaned up. And I added that cite that you requested. Any other "gotchas" that you can spot? And thanks again for the help! --]]] 06:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::::: Be sure to drop a note to Tony, as he has many FACs to revisit all the time. ] (]) 06:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Good idea! Thanks and done. :) --]]] 06:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the variations in the cite templates:
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] 04:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:LOL, it makes me crazy, but few seem to notice. ] (]) 04:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:: Adding author just to make it really look crazy ;) ] 05:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I can never figure why it doesn't bother some editors. Or why the templates aren't consistent. ] (]) 05:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

*You have mail. And your favorite bot helps maintain WP:GA, so don't ] it too much. ] 03:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==The Sweet Escape (song)==

I heard you're Raul's second in command, so congratulations. Can you weigh in at ], and restore order? The discussion has gone from whether the article meets featured status, and is now all about whether people should be allowed to make multiple nominations etc. etc. Of course, the discussion should be about whether the article merits the star. My personal opinion is that the commentator can debate the topic via the talk page of FAC if he wishes, though you're welcome to express your own there (or not express anything). Thanks for your time. ] (]) 04:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Seems the user has taken my advice somewhat. Anyway, thanks for your time none the less. I hope all is well. ] (]) 04:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::I'm fine; I hope all is well with you, too; have hardly seen you around lately? ] (]) 05:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==]==
Hello, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to clean up the citation templates at ]. I also noticed that you left a note regarding a support at the article's FAC. This is my first time going through FAC and I wasn't aware that users had to have a certain amount of edits to take part; or is that just a precaution against sockpuppets? Does input similar to that have the ability to harm consensus? Can there be consensus with one longstanding oppose, for example? I apologize if I'm hounding you, but I'm still very new to this process and I'd like to be well aware of the little intricacies before beginning my next one. :) Take care, <span style="font-family:verdana">] </span><small>(] con])</small> 13:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hola, María. Many factors have to be accounted for, and an editor supporting an article as their first contribution to Wiki may or may not be given the same weight as an established contributor or reviewer, depending very much on all of the circumstances (that particular editor has made no other contributions to Wiki). Yes, we have to consider sockpuppets, sleeper accounts, outside canvassing, etc.—I'm not saying that is going on with Knut, just that I made the note as I went through to remind myself next time I read through. Yes, there can be consensus to promote even over a strong object, particularly if that object is not founded in policy or ] and others disagree, but it is better for the "long term health" of the article if strong objects can be dealt with by establishing a strong consensus, so issues don't come back to hound you in the future :-) ] (]) 16:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you for your comments; the explanation for new users makes perfect sense, and it's wonderful that so many things are taken into account in order to promote an article to FA. Oh, but I was afraid you'd say that about consensus! I'll see what I can do. :) <span style="font-family:verdana">] </span><small>(] con])</small> 22:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Featured articles director names deputy ==

I came across this announcement just today. You're far the best person for this job! Congratulations, but please don't stop working on medicine-related articles! ] <sub> ]</sub> 18:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Piłsudski's nomination ==
I find it rather unpleasant to have been accused at FAC discussion of 'improper nomination'. I hope we will not allow the FAC discussion to turn into a place one can flame FA creators. In any case, I'd appreciate your comments on P. article. I know you cannot vote, but if you think there are any concerns I should address, do let me know. The copyediting have finished around Dec 3 and the article should be relatively stable now.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
: I've been watching. There are some unfortunate reviews and comments being made (not only on those FACs) that I trust will get sorted out. It may not be possible to prevent unfortunate discussions and comments, but I do hope my message at the bottom of that discussion is clear; if I thought a nomination "improper", I'd remove it. I haven't; neither has Raul. Hangeth in there! ] (]) 19:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:: Thank you. Again, if you think that I have not address properly any of the issues raised, do let me know! --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== My talk page ==

Dear SandyGeorgia,
I was wondering if you still have my talk page on watch. I posted a comment back on my talk page, click here. ] (]) 01:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes I do, Annie; I will get to it as soon as I can, I'm just very busy :-) ] (]) 01:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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==FACs and Diocese of Miami==
Hi Sandy, thanks for reminding me about the FAC for the Archdiocese of Miami, I've reexamined the article and was suitably impressed to strike my oppose. I haven't abandoned the FAC process for good, but the holidays have made everything a little crazy. If I don't have time to wade back in over the next few weeks, I hope to be back up to speed by January. Have a wonderful holiday! ] (]) 14:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Discussing featured image eligibility for animals, with possible repercussions on FAC process ==

Sandy, I wanted to alert you individually of this discussion as you are one of the people who best understand "the best of Misplaced Pages". Discussion ]. Permalink is . ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;<small>•</small>&nbsp;]) 14:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Poking for peer review ;) ==

Hi, Sandy. I unfortunately missed the announcement when you were given the keys to ], so I'd like to congratulate you belatedly. That's a much-deserved promotion.

Also, I was wondering if it was possible for you to comment on ]? I want to eventually send that article to FAC, but I have no idea what I need to do before that. So pointers as to what to do would be much appreciated there. ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 22:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
: Hah! That's definitely Tony... <tt>:)</tt>... btw, you ]... ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 05:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:: I actually noticed it when I went to do the unit conversions in ]... I have ] as a page there, and it was giving me the "We have technical difficulties" page that occurs only when the MP is deleted... ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 05:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
: Hi. I left a couple of questions on the peer review page. Mostly, I don't know how I can add information about damages to life and limb, as the scale doesn't measure that, and those damages really depend on the position of landfall of a storm... ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 00:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks! <tt>:)</tt> I've also added &amp;nbsp;s throughout the article to "Category&nbsp;#" statements (except in section headers, where they break incoming links). Aside from that, do you think that the article could be in shape for an FAC run? ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 00:31, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Two FARs ==

I closed Anne Frank partly on the strength of your "Formatting looks good so far"; I didn't realize you still had issues.

Swedish just seemed to be a talk page dispute that had spilled into another forum and with FAR being so disputatious lately, I thought I'd shut it down. Note it wasn't actually Panda's nom, so I hope s/he isn't personally put off. ] (]) 16:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== NumaNumaDud ==

Thanks for fixing his edits. I was going through them as best I could, but it's hard on dialup to do it very quickly. :) ] ] 20:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:Some might suggest that rather than waiting for an admin to notice, you could just become one. Is there a reason you're not? :P ] ] 20:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:: Yes; I don't want to apply to that club until/unless Wiki develops a means of dealing with abusive admins; hauling through ArbCom isn't my idea of time productively spent on Wiki :-) ] (]) 20:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Alternative stuff==
Hi Sandy I hope you weren't referring to me as a POV pusher. The article ] has been a hard one. I think the subject is really important, but it's difficult to make an article that all sides are equally happy about. Anyway, thanks for the cleanup! (You're welcome back anytime ;) ] (]) 20:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Absolutely not, Piechjo, not at all; it's been a long day and it's only afternoon here :-) On that article, I think ya'll just need to diversify those sources, because a lot of that really can be sourced to peer-reviewed journals so it won't come across as an advert for one book. Have you seen the Diberri PMID template filler in the userbox on my userpage? ] (]) 20:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::Now I have, thanks, and I've added it to my Explorer Favorites Center. I'll try and find better sources. It's actually a pretty new subject and some "expert" sources aren't very scientific. ] (]) 20:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But they're out there, and you can avoid problems by setting a *strong* citation standard from the beginning; if you over-rely on one book, it looks dodgey :-) ] (]) 20:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::OK, I will. After a good night's sleep. ] (]) 20:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, the list will be a tricky thing to redo. I think that's where secondary sources are really needed. There are now about a hundred therapies, and there are more out there. We need both a source to state that the therapy is not a standard procedure, and that it's used as an alternative therapy. Chiver's book, for instance, is not scientific, but she knows a lot about alternative therapies and has been the first one so far to write a book on them from a neutral point of view. If I was making a list of pseudoscientific concepts, I would use the Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience, for instance. I don't see it as an advert because very few Wiki-readers actually check the sources. If I can't used Chivers, Reid, Silver and Jacobson, I'll have to delete all the references. But then the advocates of these therapies start deleting their products from the list because it's unsourced. ] (]) 20:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Are you good at searching PubMed or google scholar? I'd wager you can diversify a lot of that list with some time spent in search engines. When I first saw the list, it read like Chivers had written it; lowering any of the amount cited to one source that you can will help the article, and a peer-reviewed source is stronger than a book. I know some sources are out there, because I've come across them in my ] research. Get some sleep first :-) And, if I don't get time to get back to the article soon enough, feel free to remove my advert tag as soon as you've gotten a fair amount of diversification. ] (]) 21:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Auspicious moment ==

I just stopped by as a result of the content review business and found Tim Vicker's quote: absolutely priceless! Thanks for sharing! Also, amazed that you are not an admin, I checked out "wannabe kate", and found that your last edit "Me neither" at the content review workshop, was exactly edit number 45000. If you'd like a shot at RFA, I'd be delighted to nominate/support etc., although I would guess Tim has already asked. The admin tools are occasionally useful ;-) although they don't need to take over your wiki-life: this was only the 4th time I used them, I think. '']'' 21:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

: Erm, I found the thread where Tim asked. Also, "wannabe kate" gives up after the 9th batch of 5000 articles: you actually have an even more impressive 50152 edits. But I do think your reasons for declining are mistaken: I've had absolutely no admin hassle. Anyway, enough said. '']'' 22:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

::Tim is something :-) Don't be too impressed by my edit count; I'm a famously inefficient editor. How did you find the 50152 number? I don't know how to find edit counts after Kate craps out. ] (]) 01:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Wannabe kate craps out, but Kate is fine: see . And please think again about going admin ;-) '']'' 01:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

::::You can also easily find your own edit count by looking at ]; it was added a while ago. ] (]) 02:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::::: But that's too easy ! ] (]) 02:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::: ... ]<sup>(] - ])</sup> 04:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That's weird; I don't know how I got an edit on the German wiki if I've never registered there, and I don't know how I got edits on Wiki books when I only registered there very recently to discuss a COI problem. And, I don't recognize those edits, but my memory stinks. I don't know anything about Canadian Geese. hmmm ... ] (]) 04:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: Possibly a transwiki content transfer. Edit history must be preserved for GFDL. ] 04:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

*FYI: ] ] 04:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
**Thanks for letting me know (am I the biggest Wiki user of MOS shortcuts? :-); I'll watch. Looks like all are going the right direction. ] (]) 04:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Protests & Students ==

Finished a little more. Tell me what you think.. I know it still needs improvements. ] (]) 02:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

==Mike Huckabee Merge Proposal==
Please comment on merging ] into ] here ] (]) 10:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:It looks like I was too late? ] (]) 23:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== tutorial ==

By "MOS review tutorial", I guess you were following up my earlier comment (last week?). I think I'd rather integrate MOS things into the advanced editing exercises instead, where it's a more ] environment.

I'm more interested in a tutorial for the 1c thing, or at least important aspects of referencing in FACs. ] ] 13:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
: What aspects of 1c need a tutorial? ] 04:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno; it's so plain to me that I can't always understand what isn't plain to others :-) You scan the citation list, check the quality of the publishers, watch for missing publishers, click on any you've never heard of to check for reliability, make sure that sources are properly listed and formatted, look for sources that claim one source but are actually copyvios, randomly click on a lot of them to see what you find, and spot check that sources are what they claim to be and actually verify the text. I need to write that up, I guess, but I can't understand why more reviewers don't do it. Checking sources should be one of the most important elements of FAC and FAR. Tony and I need to do a tutorial like his editing exercises, to show others how to quickly spot issues, I guess. ] (]) 04:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

* Also, Sandy, if there's a problem with the Wiley articles let me know. Looks like NR is sticking to the talk page for now. ] 04:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
**I unwatched there; I just don't like the tone and it really has me uncomfortable. I keep hearing I should become an admin so I don't need to seek admin help on issues like that, but being an admin wouldn't help in this case. I wouldn't be able to do anything differently even if I were an admin because 1) I don't understand the BLP/COI/possible legal issues so it wouldn't be appropriate to act, and 2) I'm an involved party now, so I couldn't/wouldn't act anyway. I went to the BLP and COI boards asking for extra eyes and over five days, got nothing; same thing that happened on the COI at stuttering and ] to poor Slp1, who is having to deal with that mess by herself, literally as the only content expert on Wiki, as far as we can tell. Something is wrong; Wiki is stretched too thin and good editors have to spend too much time fending off craziness. Frustrated, ] (]) 04:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

*Also drawing your attention to ; relevant historical discussion is ]. ] 04:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Idle thought ==

Partly out of boredom, and partly because I've spent ''far'' too much time out of the mainspace recently, I jumped into a recent event on ] today. Pleased, many edits later; I'll be checking BBC in the morning.

Now, I shouldn't look at everything here through FA glasses, but I had a thought: supposing this page roughly triples in length (it probably will, as the battle is significant and on-going, and I've taken it to ITN) and I continue to scrupulously source it, would it be good or bad to bring it to FAC? I don't mean the day after the British (or whoever) declare victory, but after a week's news cycle is done?... I hate recent event articles. Most of them are spike-then-suck, IMO. But perhaps, with a conscientious editor watching, the idea of taking an article from creation to FAC in a week or two is not impossible. (More accurately: "isn't dead" as an idea—they used to do it in '03 and '04, AFAIK.) ] (]) 21:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:Idle thoughts as well. Going to FAC fast is doable; Yomangani did it, but not on current events. I can't think off-hand of a current event that has gone to FAC fast, but 1) keeping a current event page in FA shape if it hits the main page is difficult (recently I worked on ] which is still on the main page, so gets hit by a little bit of "everyone knows something and thinks it's important" without developing the big picture, which still isn't developed on that article, and I'm not even going to try while it's on the main page, how's this for a long sentence?) so that's a factor, and 2) whether others perceive an issue is settled also becomes a factor, because there are the random "there is no way this can be stable or comprehensive" opposes raised at FAC every time a semi-current event hits there. Do you have the historical perspective and context to turn it into a comprehensive article without having it come out looking like a BBC news summary? Here are two that came through on the heels of the events that I can recall: ] and ]. I can't think offhand of a recent event that failed, but there have been albums, DVDs and such that are new that get complaints. Considering my experience with current event Venezuela articles hitting the main page, I think your biggest obstacle will be the "everyone has something to say and is convinced it's of vital importance" issue, so it's hard to get it stable and to develop perspective and context and also stay on top of MOS issues when everyone is putting their hands into the pot. I think you'd need a cadre of editors knowledgeable on the topic to help fend off the POV edits and MOS breaches and non-reliable sources. Doable, but not easy. You could try if you have nothing better to do (who has nothing better to do? I'm going to have to abandon cleanup of that walled garden of autism-related articles :-)) ] (]) 23:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::I've noticed an unfortunate fact. Because BBC and the other news stories are being updated constantly, what was verifibiale yesterday may not be so today where they drop particular sentences. ] (]) 09:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

There is a problem it says that the beginning of the second season, episode "Been There, Rocked That" is an episode, but I realized it was only a half-hour special. The second season doesn't start until January. Is there a way we could make a headline saying special. ] (]) 00:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Sockpuppet claim by Zeraeph==

Sandy,
Just thought I would fill you in on the recent sockpuppet affair. I did open a new account Goddessculture as I thought this was allowable on Misplaced Pages. I stopped using the Soulgany101 account before that as I wanted a fresh start after my fumbling beginings on wikipedia, and have not overlapped the use of those accounts (nor double-voted or whatever it is called). I have further placed a note on the soulgany account saying the account is permanently disused, and have contacted WP. management informing them of same.

Put it down to me being a wiki-dunce, but I wasn't aware of the rules on this subject. I literally assumed that old accounts would become defunct and could be deleted, but as they were both still there it seemed to cause confusion for Z. But I'm now more aware and will take care to stick to one account. Apologies for any confusion, and thank you for the comment on the Sock page ] (]) 03:43, 10 December 2007 (UTC) (was Soulgany101)
:Yes, I could see all of this, and I didn't doubt your good faith. A problem occurs when multiple accounts are abused; that doesn't seem to be the issue here. ] (]) 03:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for your understanding. To add to Z's suspicions I also forgot to sign in several times, which has also been taken as sockpuppetry. I will be diligent with the sign-in from this point. ] (]) 03:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, people forgot to sign in all the time on the AS talk page, and I never saw CeilingCrash accused of sockpuppetry for posting from an IP, which happened *all* the time. Goose, gander, all that. ] (]) 04:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dead link tool ==

''I just noticed the dead link tool you installed at {{t1|FAC-instructions}} and left some questions at ]. I also tried to install it at {{t1|FAR-instructions}} for ], but I'm not sure I've done that correctly. If you have time, would you mind checking? Thanks, ] (]) 02:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)''
:The automatic job are currently programmed in. However, I've added to the list with a massive update today which fixes 40+ issues. And your question about running on a specific article just shows that I suck at interface design :-) as there's a link right next to the title atop of each group. Feedback on this point is much appreciated. —] (]) 06:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Mumia ==

He's being deliberately disruptive. I'm uncertain how to take the article from here. Do you think I should nominate the article if the image issues (]) are resolved? I can't decide whether it would kill off one of his outlets or spur him into even more disruption. ] (]) 09:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:I haven't watched the edits closely enough to have an opinion on the best course of action; I'm only aware of the issues because I kept ] watchlisted after the last nom. I haven't actually looked at the article, either. Is Raul aware that the disruption continues? Usually with editors committed to disruption, there's no course of action that produces a logical result. I usually fall back on the old adage about not making a decision when you don't ''have'' to make a decision; maybe the decision of whether to nominate will become more clear with time. ] (]) 17:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== ] 2 ==

Have you finished pulling your hair out over this one? ] (]) 16:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:No; the last time I looked at it, I worked a bit on the top and the bottom, but I didn't get to the middle of the article, and there was so much work needed that I had to take a break. I'll work on it some more later today after I do some holiday preparations. It had some sources I need to look at closely. ] (]) 17:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::We've never policed nominations and I wouldn't know where to start. I've been frustrated that, despite closing better than one per day this month, the total remains stubbornly high. I have thought the total increase in FAs would be offset by how many have already been gone over from '04 and '05. That's still true to a large extent, but we may have to live with a higher FAR volume in general. ] (]) 19:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::We shouldn't police nominations but can encourage people to extend certain courtesy on the process, reviewers, and main authors such as nominating one at a time per person, and main author. ] (]) 23:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

==Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh==
Hello. I think ] could be closed without stretching ] in the least. The author is unlikely to be enthused by further enturely negative criticism. Cheers, ] ] 17:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, Angus; I will look at it on my next pass, unless Raul gets there first. ] (]) 23:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== External jumps in ] ==

Could you let me know which part of the text in ] previously had external jumps that needed to be removed? I thought I was fixing the external jumps you were referring to, but that was reverted by Peter. Anyway, since you commented that they're now gone from the article, I was just curious what they were since I was obviously fixing the wrong thing. Thanks! –] (]) 19:28, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, Panda, I misspoke; they are still there in the Dialects section. I suspect you've done all you can with that article, and you may be at a point of diminishing returns, considering the resistance to improvements. Is it worth it? ] (]) 19:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

:: Definitely not when the same editor keeps reverting text that I add, which seems to be the general strategy to make opposing editors want to go away from the article. At any rate, I'm on my way to the library to get some missing page numbers, which hopefully won't get reverted. Considering the resistance is only coming from one editor and his friend, outside opinions would probably be more useful at this point. –] (]) 19:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== PMID ==

So, are you saying I can use that template and create a citation? This I've got to try. Too bad there's not one for doi's. Thanks for pointing that out (not to me, but to someone else, I just happened to notice). ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oh my. I just tried it. I think I just had a heart attack. If I had only known about this 6 months ago. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::You mean you were doing cite journals on PMIDs manually! Oh My Gosh. ] (]) 23:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::YES!!!!! I never knew!!! It's like I found the Holy Grail of citations. :) My only issue with the tool is that a lot of science articles aren't on pubmed. How can I do it with doi numbers? ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't know of a DOI generator, and I'm pretty sure there isn't one. TimVickers may know. I can't believe you typed all those manually. ] (]) 23:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's so sad, that it's funny. I really never knew. I had PubMed on one screen, and Wiki on another screen, and I would cut and paste back and forth. It was exhausting. I need to figure out if PubMed searches work for all science articles. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 00:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Tim would know; and now you've met Colin, one of the nicest, most thorough, and most conscientious people on Wiki, so the headache was worth it :-) ] (]) 00:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Well, now that I have the PubMed tool, I'm going to go after every single medical article. Muahhahahahahahah. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 00:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::That's what I like to hear; Colin, Eubulides, Tim, Fvasconcellos and I can't do it all ourselves :-) ] (]) 00:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Although controversial, I've started to clean up ] and make it into a more useful article. It's amazing how bad some of these medical articles are. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 19:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
(undent) In somewhat related news, I think ] wants to do CPR on ]. ] (]) 01:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:You think I can find some time to get involved in that? <grin> ] (]) 02:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Life, the universe and everything ==

Indeed, and I totally understand. No worries at all. I have been very grateful for the support and advice thus far, and will slowly work on things at my end, as my own time permits. It is great that others have taken an interest, and I will certainly be in touch if need be. And I do hope your dog recovers soon. Poor dawg, poor owners :-( --] (]) 23:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:I am sorrier still, and hope that your wishes for a peaceful end comes to pass. And that the pouring rain stops soon too. I'm optimistic enough to believe that the sun ''will'' come out, eventually! --] (]) 03:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

I've looked at this article, one of our shortest FAs, a couple of times and thought "not quite." I decided to just do it myself. The prose is a bit wordy, but for the purposes of the citations list I think it's fine and can go. ] (]) 12:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Oh, and on the BBC: on-line news orgs do, it seems, drop content on developing stories. There may not be a static copy of the page you were once looking at. That's what I've deduced, at least. ] (]) 14:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

::Are you with me on the frog :)? Maybe we cheated a little with Riel, but if you look at it's history, it's actually a good example of the hivemind keeping a page in a reasonable order. ] (]) 19:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I haven't gotten there yet; I just finished dealing with Gettysburg Address. And I haven't bought my tree !!! And I owe Kablammo a response below ... and ... and ... ] (]) 19:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::PS, yea, we did a great job on Riel :-) I hope we can do the same for Gettysburg, because, wow, what a lot of work ! ] (]) 19:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Citation format question ==

Sandy:

Like a , I will be returning to an ] I worked on earlier in the year. It uses the footnote/source citation method. Before making format changes, I have two questions on citation:
:# Where there is no author stated, should an underscore __ be used when listing the work in a sources section? (as ]) And where in an list of sources alphabetized by author should such works appear?
:# Repeated use of internet sources with the <nowiki><ref name = "x"> </nowiki> method results in all uses linking to a single footnote, with superscripted letters to mark each occurrence. Where the internet source is paginated, I see no reason not to cite to the page in question, in order to avoid things like ], an excellent article with 25 uses of a single footnote (]) which links to a .pdf document. This requires a reader searching for a specific point to read the entire 43-page report. Consequently I list paginated web resources in a ''Sources'' section, with inline cites to specific pages, but with the url also appearing in the footnote so as to allow the reader to skip a step and go directly to the url from the footnote, rather than going from text to fn to source. Examples are ] and ]. This method seems particularly useful where a book now in the public domain has a separate url for each chapter; the title page or index url can be given in the ''Sources'' section; links to specific chapters can be given in the inline cites. Do you see anything wrong with this format?
I've let it languish for 6 months so there's no great hurry.

Regards, ] ('''FOS''') (]) 15:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

==] FAR==
You left a message on my talk page asking me to address your concerns at the above article's FAR. I just nominated the article for review. I think you are looking for ] who is the article's primary contributor. ] (]) 19:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry, my mistake. I figured you were looking for the main contributor to the article. I have been keeping an eye on the FAR and all of your comments so far have been right on. I agree that the sourcing is a problem even though it should not be. There is a nice bibliography, and the subject is extensively studied by American historians. So I don't really know what happened. I just hope Kaisershatner can keep working on it and address our concerns as this is a very important article. Happy Holidays. ] (]) 21:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Citations ==

You are now my go-to person for citations, especially now that I've saved myself a case of Carpal-tunnel syndrome by using the new PMID tool. I'm still in shock. What is the cleanest, best way to do citations for a book. Usually, a science book makes a poor reference, because you might take information from page 22, 37, 125, etc. Without re-writing the reference 4 or 5 times, how can we use something like ], but refer to individual pages on the footnote? I watch your page, so you can respond here. ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 19:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
*Cite the book once in a general reference section (whatever you call that section in your articles, or at the top of your footnote section) using the cite book template. Give all the info there, including ISBN, but no page numbers. Then cite the individual page numbers when you source text by placing them in between ref tags, like this:
**<nowiki><ref>Author (year), pp. x–y</ref></nowiki>
*(Don't forget that's an endash, not a hyphen.) Exactly what was present on ] before someone told that poor bloke to do all that work converting the references to a mass of blue links, when what he really needs to do is massive MOS cleanup :-)) If you like all those blue links at the evolutionary article, you can do that too, but what a massive amount of needless work :-)) I'm so glad you asked; did I overuse the word "massive"? ] (]) 19:48, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
** Unnecessary, but it was partly converted. Anyway, I finished making the sea of blue for the guy. Doesn't it seem a bit strange to put formatted Harvard refs inside ref tags? I would just put them in the text, so you could click once to get to the full reference rather than twice. ] 19:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
***I dunno; I'm a simpleton :-) Careful or Orange will start asking as many questions on your talk page as I do!! ] (]) 20:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
****PPPPPPPPPPPP to all of you!!!! BTW, I battled the editors on the MOS of that article, and I gave up, since I was all alone for that MASSIVE project. So I complained (or was it whined) about the references, which annoyed me. I do like the click on footnote number, go right to the reference, and find what I need to find. That's what bothers me about the Harvard references. Oh, one more thing. I didn't tell him to change it, I said it might be nicer. Sooooo. :PPPPPPPPPPP ] <small><sup>] ]</sup></small> 23:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
***** Yes, the clicks are nice, if you want to do all that work; like I said, I'm a simpleton I guess :-) Nice to see a sense of humor 'round here! ] (]) 00:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
****** As you know, I don't really care about the clicky links. What are these horrible MoS issues? ] 01:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


== ] == == Greetings and a request ==


Can you take a look at ] and see if it's ready for a FAC? There is a bit of pre-discussion ]. ] (]) 09:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Is what you were thinking for ]? Thanks for the suggestion in ]. I had been wondering about how to tackle it, and your suggestion seemed to be the best way to deal with it. Any other problems? Thanks again. ] (]) 20:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I like that, but I think a,b would like better than ab. I didn't see anything else, but I haven't read the article, so didn't enter a keep yet. It looks keepable to me if no one has anything else. ] (]) 20:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


:Hi, {{u|Jo-Jo Eumerus}}; I'm sorry that IRL issues have made it near impossible for me to help out at FAC and FAR anymore. I can barely keep up with anything, have explained that privately to many WikiFriends, but have been drug back in with the advocacy issues that occur at ] every time it makes the news, requiring extreme participation to educate SPAs on talk. {{pb}} I had a quick glance and don't think it's quite ready yet. Here's an example of a rough patch:
== Present ==
:: The volcano is in the ]{{sfn|Rudolph|1955|p=160}}/] of the Andes. Politically, it is located in the ] of Chile{{sfn|Figueroa|Déruelle|1997|p=322}} and the ] of Bolivia;{{sfn|Cabrol|Grin|Hock|2007|p=4}} the border goes over Licancabur{{efn|Licancabur is explicitly mentioned in the ] that establishes the border.{{sfn|González Miranda|Leiva Gómez|2016|p=19}}}}.{{sfn|Figueroa|Deruelle|1996|p=563}}
:The sentence is convoluted, not sure why the slash between the two ranges, not sure "politically" is needed, the border clause is hard to understand, and there's a wayward period between the and the . Also I'd completely re-organize the fist three sentences in the lead (the reader has to click out to know that Juriques is another volcano, so I'd join the "it is part of" sentence to the first sentence, and move the "south of the" clause elsewhere. I'm sorry I only had time for a quick glance. I wish I could say things would settle down for me enough for me to engage as you deserve, but I know they won't. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season. ] (]) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
::Resolved these issues, but I figure that "an example" means they aren't the only ones <sigh> I've seen the PANDAS thing but I don't know much about solving it. ] (]) 10:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{cot|Sources}}
:{{reflist-talk}}
{{cob}} ] (]) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


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== Will you help me? == == Season's Greetings ==


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On the article ], the editor reverts me. I have attempted to discuss. He reported me to ANI. They say to discuss but he will not. Just says I am wrong, disruptive, etc. He removed sourced material. I did not know what was happening at first. I tried to report him to 3-RRR but I don't think I did it right. Besides, ANI said it would just make things worse. They said I was 3-RRR also, but as soon as I realized what was happening I stopped. (All of this was just this morning.)
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(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
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]] 04:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Please advise. I am getting so discouraged. ] 20:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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:oh, not Zeraeph again, groan. I need to go buy a Christmas tree, Mattisse; I plead with anyone else who watches my talk page to help you, as I have a long history with Zeraeph, and really do Not Want To Go There Again. ] (]) 20:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::I just looked at what happened there, Mattisse. Dispute resolution on Wiki is broken. Something needs to change; this is wrong. I hope someone else will step in to help, but this has been going on for a very long time, and the only advice I can give is to stay away from any article that Zeraeph edits, and try harder to avoid 3RR yourself (I haven't checked yet, but if you also violated 3RR, you should have sought help sooner. Two wrongs never make a right.) Anyway, Z went on a massive blanking spree last August, removing referenced text from another editor in an hours-long revert war, and she wasn't blocked then, so I don't hold out much hope now. The only thing I can say is that when Z was after me, at least conscientous and involved admins took the time to study the issue before opining, and really came to see how bad it was. Times have changed I guess, and admins these days are pressed and quick to pass judgment without full information. Good luck; it is discouraging, but you also must avoid 3RR yourself. ] (]) 20:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


== Happy Holidays ==
Hi, Mattisse; I'm back. I know you have turned to me before in good faith and I apologize for letting you down. Wiki admins have been either unable or unwilling to deal with Zeraeph for well over a year, so in the interest of not wasting time or incurring unncessary stress, I encourage you to avoid any article she edits. She will always be in a dispute; let it be with someone else. She has a history of tying up other editors in forum shopping and illogical complaints, and you are better off finding another area to edit (to wit, this issue at ] is now raised in 3 different places, after she had another issue at AN/I yesterday with another editor, all while "retired"). After near unanimous calls for a community ban over serious violations against me and others a year ago, another editor offered to mentor her, and I agreed with that course of action. Her mentor kept things in check for many months, but now that he appears to be less active, she goes on these sprees, and then forum shops her way out of them; she is accomplished at convincing others, and it is hard to sort out her claims and sort through the diffs. Since the community ban discussion a year ago, she has tangled with at least four other editors (you, Psychonaut, Soulgany101 and A Kiwi besides the false claims against Keyne and me, which she never retracted). Nothing has been done in any case, and it ties up a lot of valuable editor time. She and another editor asked me to help settle an issue in August 2007 over citations; I looked at the referencing on ], cleaned it up, got the article to a point where I believed the two of them had an agreement and the article was stable with only one cite tag, only to see Zeraeph come in a while later on a blanking spree and edit war, removing the text that was completely cited and checked by me, an outside party, with the amazing claim that the text wasn't cited. She was not blocked for that in spite of surpassing 3RR by a long distance, and when she was blocked for forum shopping and harassment sometime before that in an incident with Psychonaut (I think—there have been so many cases with her that I get them mixed up), she appealed directly to Jimbo and got the block removed. I'm partly to blame because I ultimately agreed to the mentorship over near unanimous calls from uninvolved parties for a community ban, and worse, none of those well reasoned, careful, thoughtful admins seem to be around on the admin boards any more. I've looked briefly at the edits to ], and from the few I checked, I saw that you were commenting out references that did not in fact appear to source the cited text (that is something I see constantly on the articles Z edits), and that Zeraeph engaged in a revert war to undo your work and to remove your tags from the article. I've never encountered productive editing from Zeraeph. It is your choice as to whether the time invested in those articles is worth it; I don't believe it is, and I am disappointed that Wiki forces the innocent to spend inordinate amounts of time jumping through ArbCom hoops to deal with disruptive editors. I saw the report at AN/I that was archived in only two hours, disallowing the opportunity for others to comment and passing premature and partial judgment on the situation without a careful analysis; the last thing we need is someone on ArbCom who doesn't take the time to seriously understand these complex issues and editors. If she's back on Wiki, at least someone should get her to take down her Retired tag; that tag has a story, too. The admin overboards are overworked, admins are not taking time to carefully sort out these situations, and good editors have to wade through the muck as a result of disruptive editors. I'm sorry to let you down, but I'm not willing to try to sort out a Zeraeph issue again. ] (]) 00:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


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:Sandy please do not make personal attacks upon me at variance with the facts as they are known to you. If you have an issue with me, let us please take it to arbcom in accord with policy and have it resolved once and for all. Thank You --] (]) 00:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


=== Posted to ] again ===


] (]) is wishing you ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br />
Knock yourself out causing me trouble Sandy, I am SO TIRED of your malice and scheming it is unreal. I made a genuine error in mistaking you for A Kiwi, and I made that error because in many ways you are exactly like her. --] (]) 01:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Happy holidays}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
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== Happy Holidays ==
Sandy, I just now saw your message. Thank you for the support. I feel much better. Thank you. ] 01:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:No problem, Mattisse, but I hope you will heed my advice on two counts. First. I am strongly advising that you simply avoid any article that Zeraeph edits, period. It is not worth it, and you will only bring yourself problems. Second. There are (and you can look at the ] and ] stats to back this up) essentially ''no'' quality articles in the area you edit, psychology. The reason for that is that it is an area rife with POV editing and editors, and poorly sourced essay-like articles. It is a hard area in which to work, cleaning them up is almost impossible because they attract inexperienced and POV-driven editors, and you must strictly adhere to Wiki policies if you want to edit that topic area. Your block log is a concern. I haven't followed your edits closely, but I really recommend that you read and understand ] and ], particularly if you edit in those areas, and seek advice and counsel from other editors whenever you are uncertain about something. If you find yourself tangling with Zeraeph again, it may be better to go find another article to work on. Regards, ] (]) 01:42, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::I have also just seen your sockpuppet list in Z's ''new'' AN/I complaint (that's three in two days); can you explain to me what that is about? I hope that is an old issue, and that you have sworn off of using mulitple accounts, and that you have an explanation. ] (]) 01:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::: a year old; I'm still interested in hearing an explanation. ] (]) 01:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


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::::I suggest you actually look at what she is trying to do to the ] article which is a fully sourced medical article before providing any more encouragement based upon your personal animosity to me. --] (]) 02:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::::Well, you are right about no quality articles in Psychology and the reason for it. And this is the very reason I so rarely edit those articles; I image most psychologists feel the same. Just to kick Scientology out of Psychiatry and the AfD's for ] was a major effort&mdash;two AfD's in a row to get rid of it. And an effort to revive it just cropped up a few weeks ago again! A sad commentary though, isn't it, on Misplaced Pages. This is why I mainly write legal articles now, as strangely enough (not like real life), the attorney's on wikipedia are not obstructionistic. They are not the interfering type or maybe they are too busy. Thank you so much for your straight arrow clarity. ] 03:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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::::::Mattisse, you didn't answer my query about the previous sockpuppetry. You aren't obliged to answer me, but I spend a lot of time trying to mentor and help new editors and defend underdogs against abuse, so I would like to be assured that my effort is well spent. ] (]) 03:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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:::::::I just did and it got lost in the edit conflict. I don't know if I have the energy to rewrite the whole thing right now. ]


== Hello again ==
::::::::I'm patient. ] (]) 03:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


Hello again. Apologies for leaving this random message, especially since I know you are more semi-retired on here, but I just wanted to say that I hope you are doing well and having a great end of the year! I just wanted to send some kind words your way. ] (]) 17:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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::::::The sock puppet issue explanation: Basically I cannot explain it. My attempts to account for it were ridiculed as "the granny defense". So there is no point now in even trying. (Although I will if you sincerely want me too.) Probably if you google the "granny defense" you will find it! Basically I was told that "by accident" someone stumbled over it&mdash;there was never a check user that anyone I know saw. The list of names I was given as my sock puppets, some had barely edited, most did not edit the same articles, some wrote good articles, it was hard to make sense of it. I am convinced that wikipedia is fundamentally corrupt. After over six months of harassment, RFC/Mattisse, endless Mediations in which the mediator turned out to be a sock puppet, the whole thing went to ArbCom in December 2007 -- the Starwood case. Here everything was blamed on me, but one arbitrator recused himself from the case and found that six sock puppets had been in unison harassing me since June of the year before and filing endless sock puppet accusations, AN/I's and check users against me! So I turned out to be irrelevant to the whole thing; Arbcom did not decide anything meaningful anyway. But now I have a bad reputation from all of that. So, that much more I appreciate your help. Thank you. ] 03:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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::::::: Yes, Mattisse, it is important to me to know that someone I help will not engage in sockpuppetry, personal attacks or edit wars. I found the case in 2006, ]. I'll look at it. What did you learn from that? ] (]) 03:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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(unindent) I learned basically to trust no one and try to interact as little as possible with others here. For a while I would give it a try every now and then (to be normal, that is) but very fast something bad would happen and I have learned to stop. It it never worth it. I used to do a lot of copy editing for FA but no more. The sock puppet incident was of a month or two duration a 1 1/2 years ago (July, August 2006 or so) -- few edits -- I looked through them at one point trying to figure them out. I think it was a set up, although it is possible someone used my computer but not to do anything serious, as for that period my grandkids were living with me. The sock puppets, if that is what they were, did no damage. And I have done nothing remotely wrong since, except weather an exceptional barrage of nasty coordinated attacks from a sock puppet ring for six months. Every once in a while I go over board, like nominate for deletion all the articles I wrote for the last month or something stupid like that because I am fed up, shooting myself in the foot. That is my worst sin&mdash; shooting myself in the foot. Those are my sins. ] 04:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

:I looked at the case, and I do not envy the arbitrators who had to wade through that mess; it's a good example of why ArbCom members must engage in careful and tedious examination of the evidence. However, you said "there was never a check user that anyone I know saw", but the checkuser is linked and was confirmed. I am inclined to not reject your "granny defense" out of hand because I have had the same occur in my house, and had a huge fright when I saw guests on my computer, editing Misplaced Pages, and may have to take precautions next time I have a house full of adolescents. Also, you said, "I am convinced that wikipedia is fundamentally corrupt". Well, maybe it is, but if we're not here to make it better, we shouldn't be allowed to stay here. Trusting no one is always wise advice on the internet, but if you are consistently a good faith and productive editor, you can make friends with some exceptionally good people on Misplaced Pages. I still feel that the AN/I thread came to hasty and premature conclusions and was closed precipitously without careful investigation and consideration of the pot-kettle-black, forum shopping and ongoing long-standing issues, leaving you labeled because of past history. I hope to see you in the future as an editor in good standing with no personal attacks, no revert wars, and no tangles with Zeraeph. I will not be willing to get involved in a Zeraeph-Mattisse affair, so I hope it doesn't happen. I will give you the benefit of doubt and assumption of good faith, Mattisse, unless you show me otherwise: please don't. Because Zeraeph is now blocked, you can start showing an extra measure of good faith and good intentions by *not* editing those articles in her absence. There are plenty of articles to edit in other areas, and you can always regain a good name by helping with the daily tasks that always need doing, stub sorting, disambiguation, things like that. Best regards, ] (]) 04:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, thank you. Whether I am a editor in good standing or not is becoming less important by the day. In fact, I would say it is not important any longer. This is despite the fact that in my real life, good standing is the essence of the profession. I have done everything I am humanly incapable of to be a good wikipedia person, done endless scut work editing for other people's glorious, been very giving in my work. All this to be constantly abused. I just don't care anymore. I am certainty not going to do stub sorting and such because it was trying to be helpful in those sorts of tasks that got me in trouble to begin with. You open yourself up for abuse by wikifying and such, all those so-called helpful tasks that give others a chance to leap ugliness on you. That is how the sock puppet ring started after me -- because I was following the directions for wikifying articles. I fine it strange that Zeraeph is blocked as I have been abused by editors much more tenacious and ugly with no one willing to intervene, and so this is a pittance and actually laughable. I am sorry you did not come along a year and one half ago. But now I can never think of wikipedia as a good place, but only one where I watch my back and move on if someone like Zeraeph edits. What sort of place is that? In my own profession, as you have stated, it is impossible to edit. How horrible can it get. Not much worse. I am certainly not willing to "try to redeem myself" if 36,000+ of almost uniformly good editing and article production is not enough -- especially since I have been abused harshly for wikifying, for stub sorting, for categorizing, for merely trying to help in any way I could. So no, redemption is a road to hell. I see very little good would happen here if I followed your counsel: to scrub the floor to be "redeemed". It did not work before, so why should it work now? If I have not earned more than that by what I have done, then no thanks. I will just write for myself here. I don't feel like I owe anything to wikipedia. ] 05:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I understand, and agree it's frustrating. I've been a target for most of my time on Misplaced Pages, it has been most unpleasant, and I feel largely unprotected. That's why I try to help when I see others in trouble. But the good people make it worthwhile; you don't have to follow my advice, but it was geared towards helping you build a network of the ''good'' people, so you can withstand the days of dealing with ''all that other stuff'', like today, when I had so many more important things to do than to see Zeraeph's name pop up on my user page again <sigh>. Regards, ] (]) 05:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

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My will to participate in Misplaced Pages has waned due to the harassment it brings, both on and off Misplaced Pages, with real consequences to living persons and their families. I am following only those articles I have contributed to extensively, and issues or content areas where bullies predominate. I receive pings by email only; I may continue to occasionally check my watchlist and email, but please don't count on me to regularly respond to queries or to keep up with the work I once did. This user is no longer very active on Misplaced Pages.

In appreciation

The Winnowing Fan Barnstar
For your decades-long effort to separate the grain from the chaff. Best wishes, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
The Helping Hand Barnstar
Hi Sandy! I was assigned to the AD article a long while ago with some peers in my class and have been keeping tabs on the article since then. Similar to the previous barnstar (above), I'm honestly a huge fan of your work - you were super helpful back when I was learning the ropes of Misplaced Pages editing and I wanted to come back and say THANK YOU for all that. I hope all is well and that you know all your efforts are appreciated and remembered :) Bharatss-SB (talk) 20:37, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

The Original Barnstar
To SandyGeorgia on the occasion of the Minneapolis FA being kept. You put in years of work keeping this article honest. Thank you! -SusanLesch (talk) 17:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

A g.o.a.t. for you!

When I grow up I want to do edits like you do Sandy, you are the g.o.a.t. in my book.

Oscar_. (talk) 04:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

:-) --Dustfreeworld (talk) 07:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Request for input

Sandy, I know you're quite busy, but I was wondering if you could spare the time sometime to look over Talk:Landis's Missouri Battery#Revamping. I either slipped a substandard article through FAC in 2020, or my perfectionism is flaring up again. Or maybe a mix of the two. Hog Farm Talk 03:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diligence
Went through some of the J. K. Rowling archived discussions from the past few months, out of curiosity. Your diligence in trying to clean up the article, your tireless attempts to keep a civil environment all-around, and most of all your continued efforts to remain impartial and mindful of proper policies and guidelines, impressed me, regardless of whether I agreed or not with your suggested changes. Thanks for your work. LaughingManiac (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to provide feedback

Inspired by Worm That Turned's re-RfA where he noted administrators don't get a lot of feedback or suggestions for improvement, I have decided to solicit feedback. I'm reaching out to you as you are currently one of the users I've selected as part of my recall process. I hope you will consider taking a few moments to fill out my feedback form. Clicking on the link will load the questions and create a new section on my user talk. Thanks for your consideration. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Help with Neurocysticercosis

Hi Sandy, I know you aren't super active as of right now but your name has come up a couple times when I've reached out to others and I know you have quite a bit of experience with WPMED and the FAC proccess. I am trying to get Neurocysticercosis to FAC and I'm seeking input from anyone who can help. I've opened a peer review at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Neurocysticercosis/archive1 if you would like to weigh in. Thanks in advance and I hope you are doing well. IntentionallyDense 23:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

NPP Coordination

To answer your question, Hey man im josh would probably be the right coordinator to ask about such things in the future. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm usually available to help out and take a look into things. Novem Linguae is another great option as the lead coordinator, as is Rosguill who, while not listed as a coordinator, is arguably our best admin in the NPP realm. Significa liberdade and Clovermoss are another couple who I've seen making effort to help coach up and address issues with patrollers. There's obviously other admins involved as well, but those are the folks that I've noticed putting their foot forward for communication, coaching, and to address possible issues with patrollers directly. Though to be clear, I think you took the right approach by reaching out to discus the issue with them first. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:24, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
@Barkeep49, Joe Roe, and Hey man im josh: thanks so much for looking in. It seems that we finally have a promising new Venezuelan editor, and I'm so sorry I simply have no free time to help better guide them, and no one I can recommend to do that either. Real life has been unkind and I can barely keep up (BK49, I realize I owe you another response to a query still on this page <sigh>) ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 15:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Greetings and a request

Can you take a look at Licancabur and see if it's ready for a FAC? There is a bit of pre-discussion here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Jo-Jo Eumerus; I'm sorry that IRL issues have made it near impossible for me to help out at FAC and FAR anymore. I can barely keep up with anything, have explained that privately to many WikiFriends, but have been drug back in with the advocacy issues that occur at PANDAS every time it makes the news, requiring extreme participation to educate SPAs on talk. I had a quick glance and don't think it's quite ready yet. Here's an example of a rough patch:
The volcano is in the Puna de Atacama/Cordillera Occidental of the Andes. Politically, it is located in the Antofagasta Region of Chile and the Potosí Department of Bolivia; the border goes over Licancabur.
The sentence is convoluted, not sure why the slash between the two ranges, not sure "politically" is needed, the border clause is hard to understand, and there's a wayward period between the and the . Also I'd completely re-organize the fist three sentences in the lead (the reader has to click out to know that Juriques is another volcano, so I'd join the "it is part of" sentence to the first sentence, and move the "south of the" clause elsewhere. I'm sorry I only had time for a quick glance. I wish I could say things would settle down for me enough for me to engage as you deserve, but I know they won't. I hope you have a wonderful holiday season. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Resolved these issues, but I figure that "an example" means they aren't the only ones <sigh> I've seen the PANDAS thing but I don't know much about solving it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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  4. González Miranda & Leiva Gómez 2016, p. 19. sfn error: no target: CITEREFGonzález_MirandaLeiva_Gómez2016 (help)
  5. Figueroa & Deruelle 1996, p. 563. sfn error: no target: CITEREFFigueroaDeruelle1996 (help)

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays


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Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello SandyGeorgia, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
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Abishe (talk) 23:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello again

Hello again. Apologies for leaving this random message, especially since I know you are more semi-retired on here, but I just wanted to say that I hope you are doing well and having a great end of the year! I just wanted to send some kind words your way. Aoba47 (talk) 17:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello SandyGeorgia, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
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