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			== Anon ==
	I have made some changes-corrections to your edit. I’ll try to explain them below.

			Please stop changing the text of Hewsen. Distortion of sources is a violation of the rules. ]] 13:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
	'''1)''' I restored original intro paragraph, which read as follows:

			== Artsakh population ==
	:'''''Artsakh''' (] - Արցախ, ] - Ərsak ] - Арцах) - a province of ancient ] that covered what is now mostly ]. The name today is used mostly by Armenians to refer to Nagorno-Karabakh.''

			every campaign persian empire did to conquer the north of Aras river was about a war with Armenians, which is reflected in every persian text books
	Your edit that you’ve introduced in order as you said (in ]) to "appease" Rovoam was:
			there was no mention of Albanians, Azeries or even Georgians in that area. only after 14th century some other ethnic groups merged in that reagon.
	:'''''Artsakh''' (] - Արցախ, ] - Ərsak ] - Арцах) - ancient name of a region in the ], between the ] and ] rivers. The name today is used mostly by ]s to refer to ].''
			Albanians were only a part of armenia and kind of autonomous for brief time. but despite all this population was always armenian even in Turkey where
			Armenians were subjected to genocide between 1915 to 1922.
			Armenian belong to Armenoid race and their skull and nose and eyes are different and can not be like others who invaded that region, so it is absurd to
			say that the people of Artsakh are mixed race. the language and body features is the same for last 5000 years <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			==Infobox==
	There are several errors with this entry.
			The sourced information in the lead clearly says that Artsakh was a province of Caucasian Albania from 387 to the 7th century. Yet the map only shows Artsakh as part of Armenia. Why only Armenia? The infobox also gives misleading information that Artsakh was solely part of the Province of Kingdom of Armenia. That is simply not true. Had Vavio actually bothered to read this article he would have known that his Armenian POV pushing is unacceptable . Given the fact that Artsakh was part of two states at different times its more neutral not to include any political map. ] (]) 13:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
			:Neftchi, I am very familiar with the historical information that underlies these facts since I wrote/reedited a significant part of it. Please read the passage ]. Artsakh was organized as a political entity called ''nahang'' (province) within Armenia, not CA. Even if it was part of CA after 387, we don't know what its status was as part of CA. We don't have any information that Artsakh was a political or administrative entity of CA. This article is generally about the political entity which was part of Armenia, therefor showing its name and location in Armenia in the infobox is certainly not POV pushing. I think it's OK to add a map where the later area of Artsakh is shown within CA elsewhere in the article, but removing important information from the infobox is not justified. --]]] 06:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

			== Dating in the Subject Summary/Header on the Upper Right ==
	'''a)''' By omitting reference to Caucasian Albania, it ignores the historical component of the name, which is the essence of this entry.

	'''b)''' it gives not clear geographical explanation to Artsakh. Artsakh although was situated between Kura and Araks rivers, it was actually much smaller that this whole territory, covering mostly present-day mountainous Karabakh area (which includes Nagorno-Karabakh as well as present-day ] and ]). Other historical province of Caucasian Albania – Uti/Utie was also situated between Kura and Araks and comprised mostly what is now known as Lowland Karabakh (territories adjacent to N-K)

			There are two issues with the dating in the Header in the upper left with a short timeline:
	2) I have restored the sentence
			1) Substantive: It appears to be out of chronological order. Why does it say:
	:''Today the historical ownership of Artsakh, present-day Nagorno-Karabakh is hotly disputed between ] and ], both of whom lay historical claims to this territory.''
			- Part of Albania 387
	in the beginning of the page. I think this is important sentence which should be mentioned in the beginnings before diving into any sort of historical details.
			- Kingdom 1000
			- Disestablished 387
			2) When I went to try to edit this, assuming that that last "disestablished" part should be rolled into the "Part of Albania" part, I discovered that I can't even find that entry in the .html text.

			As an aside, I think that when writing and editing about Caucasian Albania, whatever the article, great care should always be taken to say the full title "Caucasian Albania," while these articles should never ever just say "Albania" in order to avoid confusion with the country of Albania that sits on the Adriatic Sea.
	3) I have removed your formulation introduced for appeasing Rovoam:
	:''...but whether or not they ever lived south of the Cyrus river has been disputed by some Armenian nationalists''

			And on another note, I greatly support a balanced point of view; however, I think it would be unjust and wrong for individuals who do not speak Udi to try to speak for Caucasian Albania and claim that their views represent the POV of Caucasian Albania. There are a few Udi speakers left in this world - To allow individuals who do not speak Udi to speak for the Udi only perpetuates the injustices of cultural hegemony that have created a situation in which Udi is an endangered language & culture on the verge of extinction in the first place. Great care should be taken to support those few people who still do truly represent that culture, and the most important way to support a culture is to speak its language. Without its language, a culture will inevitably die. Without speaking a culture's language/dialect, the most any individual has is a latent identity that can only be re-born by breathing life into the language/dialect of that culture. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	The fact that certain Albanian tribes originally lived in the right bank of Kura/south of the Kura river is a proven historical fact. This fact is confirmed by both ], “father of Armenian history”, Moses Kalankaytuk, an Albanian historian, as well as ] and other authors of antiquity. In Nagorno-Karabakh there is still a river named Gargarchai (Gargar river), and also as I mentioned above, territories adjacent to Nagorno-Karabakh were called in ancient times Uti, named after an Albanian tribe of Udis/Uties.

			== External links modified ==
	4) I have also removed the following sentence you erroneously attributed to a paragraph describing 6-4 cc BC:
	:''Other parts were under Armenian control, but it is difficult and controversial to establish precise boundary lines at any given time during this period.''

			Hello fellow Wikipedians,
	Probably, you don’t know, but this is an axiom that in 6-4 cc. BC there was no Armenians in the Caucasus. As mentioned in the text. Armenian appeared in the Caucasus in II-I cc. with creation of an “Greater Armenian” empire.

			I have just modified {{plural:1\|one external link\|1 external links}} on ]. Please take a moment to review . If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit ] for additional information. I made the following changes:
	I also made some minor changes, but these are not essential.
			*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070310231608/http://www.iranica.com/newsite/articles/v1f8/v1f8a022.html to http://www.iranica.com/newsite/articles/v1f8/v1f8a022.html

			When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' or '''failed''' to let others know (documentation at {{tlx\|Sourcecheck}}).
	I would like to let you and other interested editors know that in fact the issue of Caucasian Albania and Artsakh has been extensively discussed within the framework of my previous discussions (or rather disputes) with Rovoam in ]. Here are some of the links to previous archived postings which give detailed explanation on controversial issues, regarding the history of Caucasian Albania and one of its historical provinces Artsakh (also available in ]): ], ], ], ], ] (esp. last posts where Rovoam himself accepted that Artsakh was part of Caucasian Albania but now denies it again).

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	Finally, I also want to warn you against Rovoam’s tricks once again. He is very good in misleading and deceiving people and one should treat his words and allegations very carefully. He also has very good knowledge of the topic and the issue, and if not his intentions, he would be a good asset to Misplaced Pages. However, combined with almost fanatic persistence (which stem either from his nationalistic views or/and personal hatred to me), immoral behavior, this knowledge makes him extremely dangerous and troublesome. This is a sort of tactique aimed at wearing his opponent by stubborn denial of facts, vandalism and trolling, as well as discrediting him before the eyes of fellow editors and eventually getting what he wants. I have experienced all these on myself for the past several months. And I must say that the reason why I didn’t give up and quit Misplaced Pages was namely such base and malicious tricks and cheatings that I have suffered from Rovoam. If you haven’t seen yet, previous ArbCom evidences give substantial picture of the nature of this person . --] 06:16, May 6, 2005 (UTC)

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 04:23, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

			== External links modified ==
	'' Why does anybody wonder about what this poor Azerbaijani wretch writes here?? He is forced by the authorities in Baku to write all this crap, or LITERALLY (!!) get fucked. The secret service unit in charge has had no mercy and Tabib Husseinoff has been repeatedly apprehended and beaten up. He has lost his hearing on the left ear as a result. During his second interrogation he was gang-raped by four staff-members of the comity. Both his testicles were crushed by severe kicks to his groin. '''This was indipendently confirmed by leading Azeri Urologist Slander Bag'''. He must therefor be regarded as under enormous stress and not criticized, in addition, by editors. He actually is a real ] 30 June 2005 12:50 (UTC) ''

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	Thanks for the clarifications. Tabib, let's not give up hope of some ideal wording that is truly neutral enough to avoid getting reverted every 12 hours or so. I am gratified to note that both sides are now working off of my most recent attempt at reconciliation, and despite your complaint of 'spurious edits', it seems we are in fact getting just a little closer to finding that common neutral ground...

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	Most of the remaining contention with this page deals with the opening paragraph; specifically, the primary bone of contention is describing Artsakh as "a province of ancient Caucasian Albania"...

			Cheers.—] <span style="color:green;font-family:Rockwell">(])</span> 02:05, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
	Everyone seems to agree that lots of near-constant reverting was going on here (on the ground, that is!) in BC times. So instead of saying "province of ancient Caucasian Albania" - this might seem a little impartial (choosing one side) when in reality, it can be described as coveted real estate as long as recorded history - how about something reflecting this in the opening para, like...

			== This page needs to be moved ==
	:'''Artsakh''' (] - Արցախ, ] - Ərsak ] - Арцах) - a mountainous province of ancient ], at various times a province of ], and at others, of ], covering what is now mostly ]. The name today is used mostly by ]s to refer to Nagorno-Karabakh.

			This page needs to be moved because the two words '''"historic"''' and '''"historical"''' mean different things in English. The word "historic" means something like "very important in history", whereas the word "historical" simply means "something that took place in history". So, the word "historic" places an emphasis on the "importance" of something that happened/existed historically, which I believe is unnecessary here and also probably accidental (the person who moved the page several years ago probably didn't realise the distinction between these two terms).
	A little more 'fair and balanced'? ] 13:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

			See this discussion for more info: ]. ] (]) 11:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
	:Codex, I understand your willingness to help and I am grateful to your for your good-willed efforts. However, I am against altering historical facts in order to appease someone, especially Rovoam, who completely discredited himself by his vandalism and trolling.
	:The formulation you offered at first glance looks very impartial. However, it is misleading. There is one small but substantial point I want to make. Artsakh, really was a historical province of Caucasian Albania. Armenians conquests of this territory which took place in II-I cc. BC and then in early IV c. AD (until 387) do not entitle them to be named on equal terms with Caucasian Albanians when referring to Artsakh. Historical belonging of Artsakh to Caucasian Albania and the fact that Artsakh was populated in ancient times by various Albanian tribes is an indisputable historical fact which cannot be denied even by Armenians themselves. Please, look at this URL, http://www.cilicia.com/armo19i.html. This article is an Armenian-written sample which contains many false and biased statements by the way, but even they cannot deny that ''"In ancient times, the region of Karabagh and most of eastern Transcaucasia was inhabited by a people called Albanians, not to be confused with the people of the same name now living in the Balkans."''. Therefore, I believe the initial formulation is more accurate. However, I will see, if I casn make some slight changes in order to name "Greater Armenia" too.--] 11:16, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
	::I have made the following change to the intro (changes shown in '''bold''')
	:::'''''Artsakh''' (] - Արցախ, ] - Ərsak ] - Арцах) - a '''historical''' province of ancient ], '''and at times, of ]''' that covered what is now mostly ]. The name today is used mostly by Armenians to refer to Nagorno-Karabakh.''
	::I believe now the intro gives even more clear and NPOV formulation because 1) it clearly states that Artsakh was a historical province of Caucasian Albania and 2) shows that it was also part of the Greater Armenian empire at times.
	::However, frankly, I do not think Rovoam will appreciate this good-willed effort.--] 11:40, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

			Update: I did the move. ] (]) 14:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
	== Albanians have nothing in common with Azeri/Turk people ==
	*Albanians have never formed a nation. They were represented by 26 different tribes, each talking their own language. These tribes existed till XII century. They don't exist now. However, Armenians existed before and they exist today, they live in Artsakh today.
	*Azeri people are muslims, while Albanians were christian.
	*All known Albanian languages are not even close to Turkish languages: these languages belong to different groups.

	Taking all these facts into consideration, it is not clear what Azeris have to do with Artsakh or with ancient Albanians. Turkic population came to this area 600 years ago, while Armenian lived there for more then 2000 years... ]-<small>text attribution by --] 11:00, May 8, 2005 (UTC)</small>
	:'''Editors:'''This text is written by a well-known vandal ] who's been banned previously and placed under restriction by ArbCom (see ]). This person systematically vandalizes this page, ], ], ], ] and other pages. He is constantly advancing spurious and misleading allegations in order to confuse and to deceive other editors, who are not familiar with the subject well enough. The message above is yet another example of his tricks when he repeats previously addressed issues in a new talkpage, therefore I will just ignore this person. The issue of Artsakh and Caucasian Albania was extensively addressed during my previous discussions with this person (before he descended to such blatant vandalism and was blocked and punished by ArbCom) in ]. If interested in details, plese, read through the posts, which I mentioned above to my message to Codex.--] 11:00, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

	===Albanians and contemporary Azeris===
	Here's an excerpt I've found in ]. I think it would be interesting just to read these messages posted on Feb 20 and 23 here once again ('''bolds''' are from the original text, only <u>underline</u> is added):

	'''Rovoam:'''
	:'''Tabib, please clarify for me one question. If we assume that Artsakh was a part of Albania 1000 years ago, why do you think it should now belong to Azerbaijan? Azeri are Turkish-speaking muslim people, while Albanians Caucasion-speeking Christian people? Don't you see some fundamental problem here?'''] 08:10, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
	:'''Tabib:
	::See, you do this again. You again try to divert the discussion from the point and intentionally confuse current political issue (i.e. Armenian occupation of Azeri territory) with historical issue (Artsakh’s belonging to Caucasus Albania). These are two different issues that should be dealt separately. And also, I’ve numerously stated throughout the discussion that whether Azeris are right or wrong in their claim that they are descendants of the ancient Albanians as well as ancient Turks is an issue which should be discussed in a different talkpage. (i.e.]). <u>Btw, ], a Roman-speaking nation, claims ancestry to both ]-speaking ] and ] ]; Slavic ], got their name from Turkic-speaking tribe of ], which invaded this Slavic people in 7th c., ], once a Christian Slavic people, is now a Muslim nation. '''''Do you see “some fundamental problem” here?..'''''</u>--] 05:17, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

	I have no desire to have any discussions with Rovoam after his vandalism, malicious tricks and dishonest arguing behavior. So, I will ignore him as much as possible. The reason why I reposted this old excerpt was to show that '''historically, many nations have evolved from various backgrounds and Azeris with their Caucasian, Iranian and most evidently, Turkic roots are not an exception either'''. --] 12:32, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

	* I don't pretend to be an expert, but the article seems to suggest that after the 8th C., one portion of the Albanians continued to be Christians and were assimilated to Armenian language and culture; while the other portion converted to Islam and were eventually absorbed by the Azeris. Then a third portion, the Utis, apparently preserved their Albanic language. The article on ] indicates multiple origins for the Azeris, but the linguistic evidence with a strong Tati (Iranic) stratum suggests that Medes were in the area first, then a sort of 'melting-pot' with everyone else who ever passed through - including Scyths, Cimmerians, Albanians, Turks, etc. Without more records, we may never sort out which of these groups were hybrid tribes of which other groups - the Huns and Khazars were in the Azerbaijan area as early as 191 AD and were early Turkic speakers, first of many waves. There is good evidence from many historical sources given at the Azeris entry, that Turkic tribes were there far, far longer than 600 years ago. So Turks were already there, when the Albanian identity disintegrated following the arrival of Islam to the area. As for whether Albania ever formed a "nation", the ancient historians seem to refer to it as such, even if they were not led by one central ruler but were more sort of a loose confederacy. So all the evidence seems to contradict the statements made above by 72.25.94.82. Does anyone know where we can find more information about the Uti or Udi people? If they still speak Albanian, they probably have a better claim to be their '''cultural''' heirs, than either Azeris or Armenians. But all 3 groups can certainly claim to be the '''genetic''' heirs of the Albanians. --] 14:20, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
	:Of course, Turkic tribes apeared on the territory much earlier than medieval ages. In fact, early mediaeval Albanian historian Moses Kalankaytuk names Hunarakert, which means "the castle of Huns" when referring to the boundaries of the Caucasian Albania ''("......someone from the family of Sisakan, one of the descendants of Yafet-Aran who inherited the plains and mountains of Albania beginning from the river Yeraskh (Araxes/Araz) up to the castle of Hunarakert." (II, 21))'' But I also want to warn you Codex that the ] entry you mentioned contains also some factual errors, I'll try to fix them some time in near future. But this is a different topic. Meanwhile, as per your request, here's one article by a native Udin author about contemporary Udins in Azerbaijan --] 18:40, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

	==Protected==
	Rovoam has gone beyond the pale and is reverting simply to make some kind of point . Because he is virtually unblockable and rather obsessive, I have protected this article and quite a few others. --]\|] 18:09, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

	: Unprotected. Protected for long enough. --]\|] 17:02, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

	How long is this going to stay protected?? It's been over a week now. -- ] (]) 20:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

	It should definitely stay protected, because the person who doesn't like Tabib, is still reverting all of user Tabib's edits wherever he can. It has long since gone beyond any kind of political statement, to pure spite against a particular individual. This person, whose name is known, is only showing everyone that he is from an uncharitable and spiteful background. The pages he is messing with now, that I know about from my watchlist, and should probably also be protected, are:
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	If anyone wants to change a protected article, all they have to do s bring it up on the talk page. ] 03:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==Sockpuppet disclaimer==
	Dear editors, please, be aware that previously banned vandal sockpuppets are actively posting abusive and spurious messages to various talkpages, where I have been active in the past (e.g. this talkpage, ], ], ], ] etc.). Their sole aim is to attack me, create a confusion and an environment of animosity, and eventually, disrupt Misplaced Pages. I ask you to disregard all their spurious posts and if certain that certain post is by a vandal sockpuppet, simply delete them.

	For additional information on recently created sockpuppets, '''including this "WikiAdm" (Rovoam)''' and their concerted 'campaign' against me, please, see, my requests for clarification to the ArbCom, which has already solved the issue by effectively blocking the known sockpuppets. See, followed by . I ask editors to check the "birthdate" and contribution log" of any new "user" that suddently emerges and advances spurious allegations and attacks. Thus you can spot the vandal more easily . --] June 30, 2005 07:50 (UTC)

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Anon

Please stop changing the text of Hewsen. Distortion of sources is a violation of the rules. Grandmaster 13:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Artsakh population

every campaign persian empire did to conquer the north of Aras river was about a war with Armenians, which is reflected in every persian text books there was no mention of Albanians, Azeries or even Georgians in that area. only after 14th century some other ethnic groups merged in that reagon. Albanians were only a part of armenia and kind of autonomous for brief time. but despite all this population was always armenian even in Turkey where Armenians were subjected to genocide between 1915 to 1922. Armenian belong to Armenoid race and their skull and nose and eyes are different and can not be like others who invaded that region, so it is absurd to say that the people of Artsakh are mixed race. the language and body features is the same for last 5000 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.246.228 (talk) 07:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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The sourced information in the lead clearly says that Artsakh was a province of Caucasian Albania from 387 to the 7th century. Yet the map only shows Artsakh as part of Armenia. Why only Armenia? The infobox also gives misleading information that Artsakh was solely part of the Province of Kingdom of Armenia. That is simply not true. Had Vavio actually bothered to read this article he would have known that his Armenian POV pushing is unacceptable . Given the fact that Artsakh was part of two states at different times its more neutral not to include any political map. Neftchi (talk) 13:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Neftchi, I am very familiar with the historical information that underlies these facts since I wrote/reedited a significant part of it. Please read the passage Artsakh#Status. Artsakh was organized as a political entity called nahang (province) within Armenia, not CA. Even if it was part of CA after 387, we don't know what its status was as part of CA. We don't have any information that Artsakh was a political or administrative entity of CA. This article is generally about the political entity which was part of Armenia, therefor showing its name and location in Armenia in the infobox is certainly not POV pushing. I think it's OK to add a map where the later area of Artsakh is shown within CA elsewhere in the article, but removing important information from the infobox is not justified. --va c io 06:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Dating in the Subject Summary/Header on the Upper Right

There are two issues with the dating in the Header in the upper left with a short timeline: 1) Substantive: It appears to be out of chronological order. Why does it say: - Part of Albania 387 - Kingdom 1000 - Disestablished 387 2) When I went to try to edit this, assuming that that last "disestablished" part should be rolled into the "Part of Albania" part, I discovered that I can't even find that entry in the .html text.

As an aside, I think that when writing and editing about Caucasian Albania, whatever the article, great care should always be taken to say the full title "Caucasian Albania," while these articles should never ever just say "Albania" in order to avoid confusion with the country of Albania that sits on the Adriatic Sea.

And on another note, I greatly support a balanced point of view; however, I think it would be unjust and wrong for individuals who do not speak Udi to try to speak for Caucasian Albania and claim that their views represent the POV of Caucasian Albania. There are a few Udi speakers left in this world - To allow individuals who do not speak Udi to speak for the Udi only perpetuates the injustices of cultural hegemony that have created a situation in which Udi is an endangered language & culture on the verge of extinction in the first place. Great care should be taken to support those few people who still do truly represent that culture, and the most important way to support a culture is to speak its language. Without its language, a culture will inevitably die. Without speaking a culture's language/dialect, the most any individual has is a latent identity that can only be re-born by breathing life into the language/dialect of that culture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dechrwr (talk • contribs) 03:02, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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This page needs to be moved

This page needs to be moved because the two words "historic" and "historical" mean different things in English. The word "historic" means something like "very important in history", whereas the word "historical" simply means "something that took place in history". So, the word "historic" places an emphasis on the "importance" of something that happened/existed historically, which I believe is unnecessary here and also probably accidental (the person who moved the page several years ago probably didn't realise the distinction between these two terms).

See this discussion for more info: Talk:Republic of Artsakh/Archive 4#Why is this article called "Republic of Artsakh" and not simply "Artsakh"?. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 11:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Update: I did the move. Jargo Nautilus (talk) 14:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

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