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== Misleading statement about ADL history ==
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The lead section says that the ADL:


”…has received criticism, including from members of its staff, that such advocacy has diverted ADL from its historical fight against antisemitism.”
== David Irving's website contains information relevant to the ADL ==


The links show recent ADL member statements (years 2023/2024), but the (scholarly) “criticisms” that *do not* “includ” ADL “members” date back over *half a century*, which is long enough to consider
I agree with Molloy and disagree with the other guy who reverts without discussion. --] 02:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
that the ADL has *historically* used accusations of anti-semitism to stifle criticism of Israel & related US policy.


E.g. Perplexity AI writes that:
==Irving link==
To the latest user account, {{user|ATS}}, which I assume is a reincarnation of Dogtag and the anon IPS, David Irving is not regarded as a reputable or credible source for Misplaced Pages (or any other credible publication). This means he may only be used as primary-source material for the article about himself, and even then with caution. He can't be used as a secondary source of information about anyone else, because what he says can't be trusted. See ], ], and ]. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 06:12, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)


In the 1983 book *The Fateful Triangle*, Noam Chomsky critiques the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for its role in suppressing dissent regarding U.S. and Israeli policies. He argues that the ADL employs tactics reminiscent of Stalinist methods to silence critics, labeling them as anti-Semitic to undermine their credibility. Chomsky emphasizes that this defamation campaign stifles honest discussion about Israel's actions and U.S. complicity, suggesting that it serves to protect a narrative that avoids confronting uncomfortable truths about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
:David Irving is a successful & highly regarded historian, his works receiving five star reviews and critical acclaim time and time again. Your claim that David Irving is a non- credible source is totaly unfounded, and is no more than slander and lies.


Citations:
:Here are some neutral opinions on David Irvings works:
https://chomsky.info/dissent01/
https://en.wikipedia.org/The_Fateful_Triangle
:''One books...stand out from the vast literature of the Second World War, David Irving's Hitler's War - John Keegan, Editor of The Daily Telegraph''
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03064228608534170
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1984/08/16/chomskys-fateful-triangle-an-exchange/
https://en.wikipedia.org/Linguistics_of_Noam_Chomsky
https://chomsky.info/fateful01/
https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on
https://www.perplexity.ai/elections/2024-11-05/us/president ] (]) 22:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


:''A vivid portrait accompanied by much striking and original analysis... again Irving shows himself to be a master of documentation. - Professor John Erickson, Edinburgh''


In other words, I would like to suggest two edits:
:''...his knowledge of World War Two is unparalleled....Moreover he writes in a clear and vivid style. - Sir Charles Gray, QC ( a judge )''


1) To the phrase “ADL is also known for its pro-Israel advocacy” add “and ].
:''Ignore the hate merchants of the Jewish lobby whose hatred for Irving blinds them. This is, like all of Irving's books, a thoroughly well researched and factual work of the highest order...David Irving has shown himself once again to be a historian of the highest quality...nobody can genuinely dispute his skills as a writer of history and historical biographies. - Amazon.com Review''


2) Change
:''No praise can be too high for his (Irving's) indefatigable scholarly industry...An exact and scrupulous historian... - Professor Hugh Trevor-Roper''


A)
:''A professional historian of noted distinction. - Amazon.com Review''


”It has received criticism, including from members of its staff…”
:With acclaim like that, I see no reason to dismiss him as a non-credible source, your argument is flawed. All critisim of David Irving seems to come from Jewish origins, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the ADL, various Jewish lobby groups, so they obviously contain bias. - ]
*So he writes well. The quote about him in the ] article is sufficient:
<blockquote>''Not one of books, speeches or articles, not one paragraph, not one sentence in any of them, can be taken on trust as an accurate representation of its historical subject. All of them are completely worthless as history, because Irving cannot be trusted anywhere, in any of them, to give a reliable account of what he is talking or writing about. ... if we mean by historian someone who is concerned to discover the truth about the past, and to give as accurate a representation of it as possible, then Irving is not a historian.'' </blockquote>
:--]] 18:02, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)


to
*Oh, and from the same Judge Gray who praised his knowledge and his writing skills:
<blockquote>''Irving has for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence; that for the same reasons he has portrayed Hitler in an unwarrantedly favourable light, principally in relation to his attitude towards and responsibility for the treatment of the Jews; that he is an active Holocaust denier; that he is anti-semitic and racist and that he associates with right wing extremists who promote neo-Nazism.''</blockquote>


B)
:So I can't imagine it's hard to comprehend why his opinions regarding any matters concerning Jews are not considered encyclopedic sources -- other than in articles about David Irving. --]] 18:14, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)


”It has received criticism since 1983, including from members of its staff…” <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::I see the David Irving article has several links to his "Adl Profile", now is the ADL a reputable source? Let's review some neutral criticism:


== ADL regards Amnesty International’s genocide conclusion as antisemitic ==
::"The ADL is a pathetic fraud" - Frontpage Magazine


In order to include this important fact (which you can confirm on the ADL’s X account), I suggest changing:
::"You (The ADL) are not above twisting words of those you take to task in order to be able to deploy the usual semantic vituperatives" - Ralph Nader


“ADL has advanced the concept of new antisemitism, including a definition that says anti-Zionism and some criticisms of Israel are antisemitic.”
::"The Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith (ADL) is some sort of branch of evil. They don't seem to be at the root of the corrupt tree, but they certainly produce corrupt fruit." - Jim Davidson


To something like:
::The ADL, A History of Jewish Disinformation and Intimidation. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which describes itself as a civil rights organization, has been in the forefront of an ongoing attempt to label legitimate American-Arab and American-Muslim charitable, political, and informational organizations as fronts for terrorism. This attempt is part of a long-standing ADL policy of discrediting any individual or organization opposed to Israel or supportive of Palestinian rights. The ADL's strong political loyalty to Israel as well as its acknowledged ties to Israel's external intelligence agency in addition to its past practices of spreading disinformation and intimidating those who have spoken out against Israeli policies should however serve as a warning about the ADL and the nature of its claims.


”ADL has advanced the concept of new antisemitism; defining anti-Zionism and some criticisms of Israel as antisemitic—including Amnesty International’s conclusion that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.” ] (]) 01:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::I found all that within 2 minutes with google, and there are many more accusations of biased character assasination out there. If you refuse to allow the David Irving link, a noted historian who has been targed by the adl, and who is a leading critic of their activities, I will remove all the links to the ADL from other articles, david duke, don black, etc, as we all know how biased and uncredible the ADL is. - ]


:{{not done}}. We need sources. But a google search makes me suspect this occurrence isn't notable enough (or covered in enough RS) to merit that kind of prominence in the lede of the article. ] &#124; ] 23:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
*Let's see. An opinion column in Frontpage, primarily complaining that though the ADL is fast to act against right-wing anti-Semites, it doesn't speak out loudly against left-wing anti-Semites. Jim Davidson -- who's that? Oh, a columnist at David Irving's website; his opinion demonstrates precisely what? http://theunjustmedia.com -- man, have you actually READ that site? Oh, maybe you have; besides being viciously anti-Jewish, anti-American, and anti-Christian, it's also a purveyor of holocaust denial. One gets to consider the source. The strong consensus on Misplaced Pages is that David Irving is not an acceptable source (to put it mildly). If you wish to test the consensus, feel free. --]] 5 July 2005 05:53 (UTC)


== Inaccuracy in 1st paragraph of lead section. Add “to a lesser extent” ==
:::Well, no I just found all that via google. However, from reading this page, I can tell you that the general consensus here on Misplaced Pages is that the ADL is not a reputable source. If you read ADL's policy, you will see how hopelessly biased it is. ]


I asked Perplexity Pro:
::: By the way, the above quote from the Irving trial was from a witness called (and paid by) the opposition. ]


Is the phrase “was founded to combat antisemitism, as well as other forms of bigotry and discrimination” more or less appropriate than “was founded to combat antisemitism, as well as to a lesser extent other forms of bigotry and discrimination.”
:There's no evidence that the consensus on Misplaced Pages is that the ADL is an unreliable source; quite the opposite. And the witness called was (unlike Irving) a respected academic. ]<sup><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></sup> 5 July 2005 15:07 (UTC)


This was the answer:
::And he was paid an obscene ammount of money to say what he did. Jayjg, there is a large majority of editors that openly acknowledge that the ADL is a biased and un-encyclopedic source. Is there a way we can vote on this? ]
*Y'know, it's really as simple as this. The opinions of are unwelcome in civilized society. --]] 6 July 2005 05:08 (UTC)


Based on the search results and the historical context of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the phrase "was founded to combat antisemitism, as well as to a lesser extent other forms of bigotry and discrimination" is more appropriate and accurate than the version without "to a lesser extent."
==Survey on ADL bias==
===Section 1===
I propose that we conduct a vote which shall last 5 days (beginning Wednesday, 6 July 2005 at 05:18:00 UTC. Votes closing 05:18:00 UTC, Monday, July 11, 2005):
#'''Concur''' ] 6 July 2005 05:38 (UTC)


This assessment is supported by several key points:
===Section 2===
The purpose of which is to determine if the ADL is a "biased organisation", and whether or not using texts and studies by the organization as a source in articles dealing with their "declared enemies" (such as ]) is un-encyclopedic:
#'''Concur''' ] 6 July 2005 05:38 (UTC)


1. **Original mission**: The ADL was founded in 1913 specifically to combat antisemitism. Its initial focus was clearly on addressing issues affecting Jewish people.
===Section 3===
This vote shall not consider anonymous IP addresses, nor registered wikipedians with fewer than 250 edits not directly related to this issue prior to June 6th, 2005:
#'''Concur''' ] 6 July 2005 05:38 (UTC)


2. **Dual mission statement**: The ADL's mission statement, "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all," places primary emphasis on combating antisemitism.
===Section 4===
The two proposals are as follows:
*'''PROPOSAL #1''': The ADL is a "biased organisation"


3. **Historical development**: While the ADL has expanded its scope over time, its core focus has remained on antisemitism. Other forms of bigotry and discrimination were addressed as secondary concerns that aligned with its primary mission.
*'''PROPOSAL #2''': The ADL should not be used as a source, or linked to in articles dealing with their "declared enemies"


4. **Resource allocation**: A significant portion of ADL's resources and efforts are still directed towards tracking and combating antisemitism, such as the annual Audit of Antisemitic Incidents.
===Section 5 (Votes)===
*In favor of '''PROPOSAL #1''' (votes MUST be signed by valid Misplaced Pages editors):
# '''Concur''' ] 6 July 2005 05:38 (UTC) The ADL is a biased source


5. **Evolving focus**: The organization has gradually expanded its work to include other forms of discrimination, but this expansion occurred over time and was not the initial focus.
*In favor of '''PROPOSAL #2''' (votes MUST be signed by valid Misplaced Pages editors):
#'''Concur''' ] 6 July 2005 05:38 (UTC) The ADL should not be used in articles dealing with their declared enemies, it is irresponsible and un-encyclopedic.


Including the phrase "to a lesser extent" more accurately reflects the ADL's historical priorities and development. It acknowledges the organization's primary focus on combating antisemitism while also recognizing its efforts in addressing other forms of bigotry and discrimination.
===Section 6===
'''Comments in favor of neither:'''


This phrasing provides a more precise representation of the ADL's mission and activities, aligning with its historical context and current operations.
===Section 7===
'''Comments in favor of either:'''


Citations:
===Section 8===
https://amistad-finding-aids.tulane.edu/agents/corporate_entities/411
'''Miscellaneous commentary:'''
https://ajhs.org/our-collections/the-adl-archives-project/
https://www.adl.org/about/who-we-are
https://en.wikipedia.org/Anti-Defamation_League
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Anti-Defamation-League
https://www.adl.org/who-we-are/history
https://michigan.adl.org/about/
https://www.adl.org/about/mission-and-history
https://newengland.adl.org/about-adl-new-england/
https://www.adl.org/who-we-are/our-mission ] (]) 02:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


== The ADL called Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic back in 2006 ==
==Bogus Survey==
Ah, I love the choices in this so-called survey: "ADL: Threat or Menace?" --] | ] 6 July 2005 05:49 (UTC)


You may want to include in the article that the ADL called Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic after he wrote his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid https://web.archive.org/web/20070613195955/http:/www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=13420 ] (]) 03:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
It's quite simple really, aye, nay or abstain. It's not rocket science. ] 6 July 2005 06:19 (UTC)

Indeed. Heads I win, tails you lose. ADL sucks, but this is an obviously trollish ploy. Don't feed the trolls. ] <sup><font size=-1 color=129DBC>]</font></sup> July 6, 2005 08:50 (UTC)

== Dubious legitimacy of above poll ==

Interesting how this poll should suddenly appear, and so closely mirror the current poll on ]. How shallow thy colors, Perfidy. ] <sup><font size=-1 color=129DBC>]</font></sup> July 6, 2005 08:49 (UTC)

It also appears likely that ] is a sockpuppet of the anonymous troll who has been wasting a considerable amount of productive wikipedians' time at ] and elsewhere. is obvious vandalism and should have been dealt with long since. ] <sup><font size=-1 color=129DBC>]</font></sup> July 6, 2005 08:55 (UTC)

I know about the troll you speak of, and no I'm not him nor a sockpuppet. I find that baseless accusation laughable, I've contributed quite a bit to aviation science and other related topics. My IP is from the NZ ISP Woosh, the annon IP originates in America. ] 6 July 2005 09:03 (UTC)
*Good work. Thanks. I'll rescind my accusation. I suppose it was silly of me to think that only one person could be so openly biased. You should still undo your vandalism of this talk page. ] <sup><font size=-1 color=129DBC>]</font></sup> July 6, 2005 09:11 (UTC)
:::Thanks for withdrawing your accusation, now, this edit is not vandalism, it is a legitimate survey to ascertain whether the ADL is a biased source. So far, I have been told that there is a general consensus in favour of using the ADL as a source in articles, but from reviewing talk pages, history pages etc, I can assure you the oppisite appears true. This survey will put an end to seemingly endless disputes. ] 6 July 2005 09:36 (UTC)

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Misleading statement about ADL history

The lead section says that the ADL:

”…has received criticism, including from members of its staff, that such advocacy has diverted ADL from its historical fight against antisemitism.”

The links show recent ADL member statements (years 2023/2024), but the (scholarly) “criticisms” that *do not* “includ” ADL “members” date back over *half a century*, which is long enough to consider that the ADL has *historically* used accusations of anti-semitism to stifle criticism of Israel & related US policy.

E.g. Perplexity AI writes that:

In the 1983 book *The Fateful Triangle*, Noam Chomsky critiques the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) for its role in suppressing dissent regarding U.S. and Israeli policies. He argues that the ADL employs tactics reminiscent of Stalinist methods to silence critics, labeling them as anti-Semitic to undermine their credibility. Chomsky emphasizes that this defamation campaign stifles honest discussion about Israel's actions and U.S. complicity, suggesting that it serves to protect a narrative that avoids confronting uncomfortable truths about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Citations: https://chomsky.info/dissent01/ https://en.wikipedia.org/The_Fateful_Triangle https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03064228608534170 https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1984/08/16/chomskys-fateful-triangle-an-exchange/ https://en.wikipedia.org/Linguistics_of_Noam_Chomsky https://chomsky.info/fateful01/ https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on https://www.perplexity.ai/elections/2024-11-05/us/president 2601:645:8500:7B70:20B7:C7A0:DD97:2D92 (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


In other words, I would like to suggest two edits:

1) To the phrase “ADL is also known for its pro-Israel advocacy” add “and weaponization of anti-semitism.

2) Change

A)

”It has received criticism, including from members of its staff…”

to

B)

”It has received criticism since 1983, including from members of its staff…” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:8500:7B70:CC82:8A93:EFDC:2FCF (talk) 01:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

ADL regards Amnesty International’s genocide conclusion as antisemitic

In order to include this important fact (which you can confirm on the ADL’s X account), I suggest changing:

“ADL has advanced the concept of new antisemitism, including a definition that says anti-Zionism and some criticisms of Israel are antisemitic.”

To something like:

”ADL has advanced the concept of new antisemitism; defining anti-Zionism and some criticisms of Israel as antisemitic—including Amnesty International’s conclusion that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.” 2601:645:8500:7B70:8164:C33A:439:3D16 (talk) 01:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. We need sources. But a google search makes me suspect this occurrence isn't notable enough (or covered in enough RS) to merit that kind of prominence in the lede of the article. ByVarying | talk 23:54, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Inaccuracy in 1st paragraph of lead section. Add “to a lesser extent”

I asked Perplexity Pro:

Is the phrase “was founded to combat antisemitism, as well as other forms of bigotry and discrimination” more or less appropriate than “was founded to combat antisemitism, as well as to a lesser extent other forms of bigotry and discrimination.”

This was the answer:

Based on the search results and the historical context of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the phrase "was founded to combat antisemitism, as well as to a lesser extent other forms of bigotry and discrimination" is more appropriate and accurate than the version without "to a lesser extent."

This assessment is supported by several key points:

1. **Original mission**: The ADL was founded in 1913 specifically to combat antisemitism. Its initial focus was clearly on addressing issues affecting Jewish people.

2. **Dual mission statement**: The ADL's mission statement, "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all," places primary emphasis on combating antisemitism.

3. **Historical development**: While the ADL has expanded its scope over time, its core focus has remained on antisemitism. Other forms of bigotry and discrimination were addressed as secondary concerns that aligned with its primary mission.

4. **Resource allocation**: A significant portion of ADL's resources and efforts are still directed towards tracking and combating antisemitism, such as the annual Audit of Antisemitic Incidents.

5. **Evolving focus**: The organization has gradually expanded its work to include other forms of discrimination, but this expansion occurred over time and was not the initial focus.

Including the phrase "to a lesser extent" more accurately reflects the ADL's historical priorities and development. It acknowledges the organization's primary focus on combating antisemitism while also recognizing its efforts in addressing other forms of bigotry and discrimination.

This phrasing provides a more precise representation of the ADL's mission and activities, aligning with its historical context and current operations.

Citations: https://amistad-finding-aids.tulane.edu/agents/corporate_entities/411 https://ajhs.org/our-collections/the-adl-archives-project/ https://www.adl.org/about/who-we-are https://en.wikipedia.org/Anti-Defamation_League https://www.britannica.com/topic/Anti-Defamation-League https://www.adl.org/who-we-are/history https://michigan.adl.org/about/ https://www.adl.org/about/mission-and-history https://newengland.adl.org/about-adl-new-england/ https://www.adl.org/who-we-are/our-mission 2601:645:8500:7B70:E92B:8355:DDA9:1A00 (talk) 02:45, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

The ADL called Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic back in 2006

You may want to include in the article that the ADL called Jimmy Carter anti-Semitic after he wrote his book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid https://web.archive.org/web/20070613195955/http:/www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=13420 50.145.45.49 (talk) 03:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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