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== Thank you ==


Hi @], I wanted to thank you for defending my position in the disagreement I've been having with Fram. I felt strongly supported, and even though I know you weren't standing up for me as an editor but rather for the actions I performed, the result was the same. I could definitely have conducted myself better in the way I communicated with Fram, and I will do my best to be less reactive when my buttons are pushed. I also accept the point about my seeming alacrity to "bite" new editors (though it isn't my intention to do so) and will strive to be more patient in that area. ] (]) 03:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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:Thanks. I do want to make clear I wasn't particularly supporting your position in the debate ''per se''. I'm not entirely sure ''who is right'' and ''who is wrong'', but that's a content matter to be resolved via the normal ] processes. My only concern is that Fram's position that you were vandalizing was beyond the pale, and they needed to walk that back. --]] 04:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)


== Administrators' newsletter – January 2023 ==
I'm currently looking at the atuff in the talk section of that article (REM - Accelerate), and should have something in there soon, once I get caught up on all that is happening... ] (]) 17:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:Grassy ass... --].].] 17:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::Dude, that album isn't even out for 3 months. What if it sucks? What if only one of them thinks it sucks and the other likes it? Have fun with ''that.'' I've looked at it too, the protection was appropriate. They both (Dudesleeper and Eyesbomb) need to step away slowly. An edit dispute over an non-released album? See ]. ] | ] 17:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I am not even concerned about that. Its the throwing around threats of getting others "banned" that is problematic for me. I agree, both need stop the pointless war, but it is getting beyond that state... --].].] 17:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


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:No worries. Thanks for the heads-up! --] (]) 18:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::I went ahead and commuted it to time-served . Hopefully this assumption of good faith will not come back to haunt me. --] (]) 15:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


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Let's form a small RFA class of 9. These are admin who became admin at about the same time. John Carter, Jeepday, Rudget, Jayron32, Archtransit, Appraiser, Kbthompson, Canley, J-stan. It would just be a friendly support group or like a school class. No administrative tasks needed to form this group, just know each other so if we need an opinion or want to discuss something, we'll be there for each other. ] (]) 19:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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Jayron32, can I retain you for a bit on this, just as a safety net? As I am not an admin, I don't have the ability to block users or protect articles. I'm going to try and facilitate some constructive dialogue between all the editors, but if it degrades into a "free-for-all" or one or the other editors goes "rogue" on us, I'd like some calm, concise and rational backup, if you would be willing to provide that. Thanks! ] (]) 19:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
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:Awesome deal! I really don't know a lot about the topic of discussion, other than it's an upcoming REM album, and that I like REM. Other than that, I'm "Switzerland" on the whole thing... ] (]) 19:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


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:Uh, what? :) Smileys? No problems using them on talk pages :) Have at it! :) I wouldn't use them in articles, but that goes without saying. :) That being said, if they offend another user, don't antagonize them :). But seriously... c'mon... did someone really object to a smiley :)... --].].] 12:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Thanks == == Hello ==


First, thank you for your kindness. I felt extremely humbled being ] by a respected and experienced editor of the encyclopedia. I have a small request, if you could spare the time. Can you go through my contributions, to the article namespace and the project namespace, and give me a general review of my editing, as well as some advice about what I can do to improve my contributions?
For your help in unblocking account ]. I was foolish to not have noticed it - and kept posting on AN/I for all that time! Thanks again, --] (]) 06:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


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== Need Help ==
IP address: 70.88.142.249, seems to have been unblocked and has moved on to vandalizing the Walter Camp article. I have no idea how to request a block. Any assistence will be appreciated. ] (]) 15:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:Blocked him again. See ]. If he returns when this block , just let me know and we can try this again. --].].] 17:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


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:I'm seeing lots of good work. Your recently created article on the Territory of the Comoros looks really good, and your contributions to the Misplaced Pages space looks civil, thoughtful, and well presented. Keep up the good work! If you've got any more specific questions, please let me know! --]] 12:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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No, I don't have it with me right now. Perhaps on the weekend. On weekdays, this is my only option. — ]] - ] 20:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


Regarding this, it seems like the editor is being deliberately obtuse. I posted him at AIV for ref desk trolling, but the admin rejected it. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 17:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
:No questions. :D Thank you! How very detailed! — ]] - ] 22:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, I don't agree with that. There's some ] stuff going on here, likely some problems with English as a Second Language, but I don't see anything that leads me to believe they are acting in bad faith. Not every trainwreck is deliberate... --]] 18:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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I added some references to ]. I think the article is better now. --] (]) 01:41, 19 January 2008 (UTC) {{You've got mail}} ] (]) 05:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Therapyisgood}} The best way to handle this is to file a report at ]. --]] 09:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)


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Copy that last message, Ghostrider, fixed my own flub! Good on ya! :-D ] (]) 04:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


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== Andrea Bocelli: opera or popera? ==
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Hi Jayron32, I noticed you reverted Bocelli back to opera from popera. I had changed him to popera based on it being a more accurate description (besides the fact that he is probably the most famous embodiment of popera today) and because of his inclusion in the popera article. If you check my talk page, you will see tangerines acknowledged his oversight of bocelli's inclusion in the popera article. As you requested verification indepedant of that page, here's a mainstream article where he is described as the 'king of popera.' (http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/27/1093518069667.html) And strictly speaking, operatic singers are people with a full, traditional training in operatic singing and whose roles are in the opera house. They may occasionally crossover to mainstream (eg. Pavarotti). A popera singer goes the other way. Background is in popular songs but with an opera-like style (like Rufus Wainwright), and then perhaps crossing over to actual opera. ] (]) 05:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


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I'm fine with the compromise, although it might look a bit funny citing him for operatic pop. That would almost be like citing Pavarotti for tenor. But in the absence of a better solution, I'm fine with it. By the way, it appears that operatic pop and popera are synonymous. I don't think tangerines realizes that the two terms refer to the same wiki article. ] (]) 05:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
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Synonymous, maybe, but popera carries a bit of perjorative taste to it, where as Operatic pop does not. Plus, Operatic pop doesn't sound like a ]. Its always nice to use more formal English rather than somewhat made-up word.--].].] 13:30, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


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I've added a few things too in response to your suggestions. Let us know if there's anything else we can do -- hope we can spruce it up enough for you to change your mind. ] (]) 18:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


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== ] peer review == == Thanks for help with Cochise County ==


Unfortunately, the editor in question enjoys "making things up" (I'm being far too polite there). His/her claim "According to www.cochise.az.gov no films and television films shot in Cochise county" is false, as also a previous claim "Imdb states that no film or tv series were filmed in Cochise county". With regard to the latter, IMDB lists 10 locations for the ''The Sheriff of Cochise'' TV series, all of which are in Cochise County. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159207/locations
Hi there! I've just nominated ] at ] and I was wondering whether you would be so kind to maybe check out the article and tell me what you think? I'm aware this reads horribly, sickly sweet, and like a standard copy/pasted response, but I really don't know what to write! It'd be great if you could get around to checking out the article. :) (P.S. This isn't a copy and pasted message) - ] 12:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


I understand that IMDB has been declared an unreliable source; be that as it may, the point is the editor's false representations. (And other sources confirm the location, such as https://www.myheraldreview.com/news/cochise_county/when-the-sheriff-of-cochise-ruled-the-land-and-tv/article_f3487fe8-35e1-11ed-adca-d3bb48315c05.html .)
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The editor was left "If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages..." messages on the talk page User talk:Daniu99 in late November '22 regarding similar behavior, all apparently to little or no avail then, and nothing seems to have come of the warnings. The disruptions have now started again, repeatedly, in the Cochise County article. As an administrator, could you please help to cool this person's jets? His/her dishonest disruptions serve only to waste the time of more responsible editors. TIA for any help. ] (]) 18:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I just nominated the article for Peer Review and would appreciate anybody taking a look at it for writing style, wiki-formatting and pointing out spots that need better coverage. I am hoping to eventually get the article to GA status so could use some help, thanks.--] (]) 15:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
:The editor in question has not, since I made the fix, done any further editing to the Cochise County article. If they continue to be disruptive, ] may be the place to go. I don't generally respond to personal requests to use my administrator tools on my user talk page, I prefer to keep such requests in a public forum like ANI where they can be scrutinized. --]] 18:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
:: I've tweaked the text to "filmed on location in Cochise County". If s/he continues disrupting for no justified reason, I'll go the ANI route. As you see on the editor's contribs page, the issue is by no means just this instance. ] (]) 19:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)


== Recusal? ==
:Hey, could you return to the article for a few seconds and skim through to look where I still need sources, cause I referenced every paragraph and most of the statements, I also consulted printed sources like you said, but it still seems to me like its missing something. Could you take a look at that please?--] (]) 16:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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::Thanks again, I can't believe I missed the Tom Stoppard thing! Anyway, I wanted to ask about websites where the author or other information isn't given, is it a complete necessity to have it there? Does lack of author indicate a non-reliable source? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
On the 1st you wrote "Perhaps I would have had more to say about the matter had it just come here first, but given the prior inappropriate attempt to cherry pick me as an admin to respond, I am recusing myself from any further involvement." but the editing history which follows is curious because instead of recusing yourself you become extremely involved... We have on the 2nd, on the 8th, and on the 9th. Seems like you need to do some striking, either of the recusal or of all of the comments violating that recusal. I hope you appreciate me bringing this to you privately instead of making it a big deal at ANI. ] (]) 16:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:I don't believe I had any further comments on BeanieFan11's behavior, or on sanctioning him, I don't believe. They are all about issues related to AFD and the NSPORTS policy discussion. As far as I am aware, I made no further comments on sanctioning BeanieFan11 as I said wouldn't. I have a standing policy not to use my admin tools when anyone requests me directly to do so here on my talk page, and I have not done so. If you have evidence that I have used my admin tools inappropriately, then by all means, provide diffs for that. The diffs above show me commenting on a policy discussion. --]] 16:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:: Are you under the impression that recusing yourself from a discussion means not using your admin tools? Thats not recusal, that's expected of all involved admins automatically. Your statement makes it very clear that what you're recusing yourself from is further involvement and the discussion. If you're not going to do that then strike the false recusal. You do also explicitly comment on sanctions. ] (]) 16:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ec}}x2 Actually, I do see that there was one further comment I made on BeanieFan11's behavior. I have struck that comment. Thank you for pointing that out. My other comments were not related to the matter I recused myself from, however, and I stand by them. They were clearly about a different matter. --]] 16:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::: You didn't recuse yourself from further comment on BeanieFan11's behavior, you recused yourself from "any further involvement" which literally all of the diffs fall under. ] (]) 16:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} Also, I was never "involved". At the point where Therapyisgood contacted me above, I had never met either him, nor BeanieFan11, to my knowledge, nor had I ever to my knowledge, been involved in any of the AFD discussions mentioned. (Post EC comment) I think I have explained my understanding of my statements, if you understand them differently than I intended, there's not much I can do about that. If you feel that I am abusing my admin authority, and need to have the tools taken away for that, please start that discussion in the appropriate venue. --]] 16:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::: You said you were involved, you said "further involvement" which means you were already involved. If you weren't that's ok, but then you told a fib. I don't want your tools taken away, I just want you to be honest. ] (]) 16:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Look, let me lay out the timeline of events for you. 1) On 05:11, 31 January 2023 (see above) Therapyisgood sent me an email. Without getting into the details, it asked me to intervene on the matter at hand. I had never, at any point, been involved in the AFD discussions, with BeanieFan11, or with Therapyisgood, in any manner at all. Never met them, never saw the AFDs, never been involved in the Wikiproject, none of it. Out of the blue, he sent me an email. I told him to go to ANI instead, because I don't respond to private requests to use my admin tools. The thread was started at ANI. 2) At 16:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC) Bagumba asked at that thread "Was there any attempt to deal with this one-on-one before escalating to a noticeboard?" where I replied explaining that I had directed Therapyisgood to start the thread, and that I had not intended on commenting on the matter further. 3) Someone started a different discussion on a policy matter I thought was interesting and I commented on that thread at 16:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC). I had not, at this point, been involved in any dispute over the policy matter at hand, and I didn't (and don't) consider my backing away from the sanctioning discussion over BeanieFan11's behavior to have prevented me from commenting on a policy discussion. I did not fib, I did not lie. It is true that on Feb 8, I did make a comment on BeanieFan11's behavior, which I have now struck, as you requested. I'm not going to strike comments that had nothing to do with my original statement. If that bothers you, seek relief elsewhere. --]] 17:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::: None of that explains why you wrote "further involvement" if in fact that wasn't true and you hadn't been involved. How can it be true that you were already involved and also not involved at all? One of these statements has to be a fib, either Jayron32 who said they were involved is fibbing or Jayron32 who said they weren't involved is fibbing. ] (]) 17:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::On the off chance that this is a misunderstanding due to an imperfection in the English language, and I can somehow make a small incremental contribution to peace on Earth: "Involve" has more than one meaning in English, and WP's interpretation adds even one more meaning to those in the dictionary. When Jayron says "further involvement", it's pretty obvious to me that he means "further participation", not "further ]ment". Jayron never said he was ] in the WP sense of the word (and, looking things over, I would agree he is not WP:INVOLVED in any way). Speaking of meanings of words, "fib" can only ever mean an ''intentional'' lie, albeit about something minor. I'd stop using it 3-4 times in a sentence. I'ds stop using it at all. ] (]) 18:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::: I also interpreted it to mean "further participation" but I was told that wasn't the case by Jayron32. Nor does it appear accurate as they participated a *ton* after that (hence my challenging their participation and them countering by only striking a single edit which pertained to sanctions and not their participation). ] (]) 18:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::OK, short for "further participation ''in decisions about BeanieFan11''", then. Anyway, I guess I didn't help, so I'll bow out before I contribute to making this molehill into any more of a mountain. ] (]) 18:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{ec}} Isn't the "further" still a problem because the claim is that there was no participation in decisions about BeanieFan11 prior to that? Anyways I'm dropping the stick, I hope that Jayron32 will understand that going forward that their statement was most obviously interpreted as a pledge to recuse themselves from "further involvement" and not as whatever incredibly nuanced thing they apparently meant by it. ] (]) 18:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)


:::::::::::{{ec}} As I noted, my meaning was further participation in the sanctioning discussion. The discussion over policy was unrelated, in my mind, to the initial discussion. Also, since you really seem hung up on "further", I meant "subsequent to this comment" not "I've been dealing with this previously". Also also, have we beaten this dead horse enough? Either you think I'm a lying liar who lies, or we're having an inconsequential misunderstanding over a difference regarding some minor word choices. If it's the former, fine, whatever, I'm not going to convince you I'm not. You believe whatever you want to believe, I can't convince you out of something like that. Continue to believe it if you want. If it's the latter, I'm pretty sure I've adequately explained what I had meant at this point; further elaboration is unlikely to put any more light on my initial intent. Either way, can we let this matter go, at least in terms of my user talk page. If you need any more action done on this matter, take it to ANI or ArbCom or something like that. I have no intention of doing anything further discussion here. Please let it drop or escalate it elsewhere. --]] 18:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::::::::::: I don't think you're going to find widespread support for the idea that a subtopic is unrelated to its topic. Keep that in mind going forward. ] (]) 18:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::{{tq|I have no intention of doing anything further discussion here. Please let it drop or escalate it elsewhere.}} --]] 18:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: That was my final reply, hence its finality. Congrats, you've forced me to post on your talk page again? Have a nice evening. ] (]) 18:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
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Why do you put yourself through elaborate self-humiliation rituals when you give a wrong answer on one of the Reference desks?? It really does not gratify my feelings in any way when you do this in response to a mere factual error (it might if it was in response to something personally involving me, but the only such incident was the Chinese cuisine authenticity thread, and you did not abase yourself in that case, as far as I remember). If the elaborateness of the grovelling is disproportionate to the severity of the error, it may give rise to suspicions of insincerity, in which case you're undermining your own apology... ] (]) 17:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
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To make my intent clear to you, I'm only describing your comments as unproductive because Andrew has spent literally years ignoring countless almost identical comments and not only should know better, but does know better. He isn't going to change and so I think it's best to shut him off before he can waste the energy of too many others. I'm actually not far off proposing topic banning him from ITN all together tbh. ] (]) 03:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. Thank you for all your contributions.:-) It's been awhile since I read about Muller's sources. Muller's video was most certainly relevant to the OP's query. Thank you for posting it. In the 80s, I would often hang-out in the NCSU library bookstacks researching the physics' literature and I'm an hour's drive away now. I continue modeling and will likely deposit a paper on ] this spring. Again, thank you for ''all'' your contributions. ] (]) 18:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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Here's a hypothetical: Supposing I have an interaction ban with a user, and that user subsequently retires. How, if at all, does that change the terms of the ban? Does it mean I can never work on subjects that user worked on, even though that user would no longer be working on those subjects? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 12:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:Not sure. I find that, 95% of the time, retirements are extremely temporary, though, so keep that in mind. I think, in general, if you have questions about the extent of a ban, asking the admin who notified you of the ban is a good place to start, though, if you have more specific questions. --]] 12:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
::That's a good point. I'll give it some time. There's no rush. Thank you for your advice. :) ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 16:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

== Your recent update to Count Rumford entry ==

While your update to the article is accurate, your "reason summary" is in accurate. A typo of course, but in 1853, very definitely did both American and British identities exist. I'm sure you meant to put 1753, the year of Rumford's birth. ] (]) 18:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:Yes, I meant that. It was an anachronism in 1753; American nationality did not exist. --]] 18:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
::Hey there, not a big deal and nothing about the correction you made to the actual article, but I think you misunderstood my comment to you. You have given as summary explanation for your changes that the American identity did not exist in EIGHTEEN FIFTY THREE. When I'm sure you meant to type SEVENTEEN FIFTY THREE (the year of Rumford's birth) because by 1853, most definitely an American identity DID EXIST. ] (]) 18:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:::Yes, I meant to say 1753. I screwed up when I typed 1853 in the edit summary bar. I though I ''just said that''. Why are you yelling at me for confirming both that a) I was wrong and b) you were correct to say that I was wrong. How many ''more times'' do you need me to tell you that ''I was wrong when I wrote 1853''. Do you want to try yelling at me louder, so I can confirm ''a third time'' that I was wrong. Would that make you happy? --]] 18:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
::::Take the stick out of your ass! The uppercase was NOT yelling, but for clearly emphasizing the difference. Sorry I misunderstood your first response. ] (]) 19:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
:::::You're right. I was an asshole. I'm sorry I responded the way I did, I have no excuse. You did nothing wrong in correcting me. You're right, and I'm wrong. I continue to be the biggest asshole at Misplaced Pages. I'm not sure what else to do about that, other than offer my sincere apology for letting it out against you; you did nothing to deserve that. --]] 19:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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==User:Wjemather==
Wjemather has been unnecessarily undoing good edits from editors (myself and others ) for three years now. Editors have tried reasoning with that person over time, but that person does not want to listen. Several people in private chats have expressed their frustration with that person, simply because they don't know where else to turn to talk of their frustration.

That person's behaviour has not only been unproked, unneeded undoings of valid edits that no one else has ever had a problem with, but hypocritical also; the list is long of the times that that person would spitefully undo the very same type of edits that they themself have done before, throwing logic out the window. In other words, it's okay for themself, but not for others.

One other behaviour that makes that person unreasonable is making things up on the spot: An editor will do a good edit in the traditional way, but then this person in question will undo the edit with the excuse (paraphrasing), "Just because this is the traditional way is not an excuse to keep doing it that way.".

Trying to reason with that person has failed for years with many who have tried.

I've been editing on Misplaced Pages since 2007 and had never had any real problems from an editor until that one. I've been doing the same type of edits in the same way since the beginning, and in early 2020 that person came along and decided to be the first to take their own personal feelings and force feed them onto the Misplaced Pages community with uncalled for retractions that no one else had ever had a problem with. Nitpicking at every single turn, unJusifiably.

Most of that person's edits are undoings,, not additions, meaning the main purpose that person has had over the last three years has been to unneededly undo other people's edits, even when having to make up a reason to do so.

Simply to spite me, that person went and undid a good edit of mine on a page concerning a topic that they no absolutely nothing about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2022_State_of_the_Union_Address&type=revision&diff=1063538815&oldid=1063093800

Also last year, that person went back on a previously agreed upon standard for preparing the WGC MATCH Play page, one in which that person had willingly agreed to the year before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2022_WGC-Dell_Technologies_Match_Play&diff=1079435859&oldid=1079434098

It gets worse, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't; If you do an edit one particular way, that person undoes it and criticizes you, but then if you do the edit the opposite way, that person still undoes it and criticizes you.

I would have to go and do weeks' worth of finding and citing all the examples of that person's gross, uncalled for undoings.
For now, I will show a few recent examples of the kinds of edits that no one else ever had a a problem with, but this person is hell bent on interfering with anyway:

Undoing a perfectly good preparation that is done each week on the PGA Tour, for no reason ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Masters_Tournament&type=revision&diff=1141795948&oldid=1141795855

Undoing more preparation that is done as a normal thing in Misplaced Pages, for no reason ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template%3AThe_Masters_champions&type=revision&diff=1141796145&oldid=1141796054

And those are only two examples of a half a dozen interference type of undoings in the last 24 hours. It takes time and trouble to go and post these here, so I'll stop there for now.

Other times, that person will try to get a page deleted, because in their OPINION the page was made "too early", something of which no one else has ever been known to complain about in recent years. There are links to show proof of this.

After three years of constant interference of spiteful, uncalled for undoings, we will not tolerate it any longer. I have been on here for sixteen years without serious trouble for 13 of them. Over the last three years, this constant hypocritical and unneeded interference won't be tolerated. Even the simple act of letting that person know, they lash back as if you are wronging them in some way, playing the victim.

Since no one has been able to get through to them because of their unreasonableness, we hope maybe you could have a chat with them to see if you can get through. ] (]) 19:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Johnsmith2116}} Sorry, I have a personal policy against responding to private requests to act in an administrative capacity here at my user talk page. If you need administrator intervention for a behavioral issue with another user, the correct place to do so is at ]. --]] 20:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

==Srebrenica massacre==
What needs to happen before I be allowed to edit that aricle again? Also while I am banned from editing the article, does my opinion still count with regards wider discussion? --] (]) 20:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

The reason I ask the above is because I still have access to the talk page. --] (]) 21:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
:If I were you, I'd let that matter go for a while. Try editing in other areas of Misplaced Pages. --]] 09:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

== JRRobinson ==

Greetings. Was kind of curious as to why this discussion ] was not acted upon? They are still continuing their problematic behavior. ] <sup>]</sup> 11:51, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
:It was not acted upon because it was archived before anyone acted upon it. If the issues have not been resolved, start a new thread at ] with a pointer to the prior discussion, noting that the behavioral issues have not improved. --]] 18:56, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

== Album credits are their own source ==

Regarding your "In the News" nomination of ], you said the article is 90% ready, needing just a few things including sourcing for the discography. I thought I might mention that album liner notes and record sleeve credits are akin to books: they have a publishing date, identifying number and a publisher (the record label). Basically, they are their own reliable sources. I threw some book credits in the discography as a convenience, kind of like having two cites for important facts. But the "uncited" entries are explicitly naming their source when they name an album title. ] (]) 03:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
:I generally agree with you, but anticipate nearly everyone else who will say we need to cite every entry to some third party source. I have ''always'' been fine with not requiring every item in a -ography being cited, as one generally assumes the citation is to the work itself, but alas, some people flip their lids unless they see a footnote in every section, common sense be damned. --]] 18:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

== ITN recognition for ] ==

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== Rick Beato ==

I restored the reference to his recent Keith Jarrett video, but added cited material affirming this particular video is singularly notable in Beato's output and not in fact "a video I watched that I liked" as per your edit summary, though I understand it may have appeared that way without the extra context. Hope there might be some consensus around this. ] (]) 22:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
:Seems reasonable. --]] 17:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. Also thanks for chronologising. I thought to break the chronology to delineate the take-down notices and copyright claims as an implied new subtopic, but your take is appreciated. ] (]) 18:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

== Evackost ==

is at UTRS. OK to leave blocked, but vanish? ] (]) 16:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
:IMHO, yes, leave them blocked, but help them with the Vanish procedure would probably be best. Whatever needs to be done to complete the ] request would be great. --]] 16:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks. I just need to make an explanatory note and click some buttons. (Vanishing is not really possible. We delude ourselves, but it always leaves traces.) ] (]) 17:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Of course; talk page signatures and stuff like that. But if we can do the standard "rename the account and lock everything down" that we usually do, that'd be fine. Thanks again! --]] 17:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
::::User asked at the global renaming queue ''four times'', was denied, and was blocked by the Stewards. So it was an end-run that failed. ] (]) 17:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
:::::If they had come to me first, I could have helped them. ] (]) 17:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

== Hubris67 ==

I left a comment over at ] about a block you made, get this, almost 15 years ago. Looking for your thoughts on a possible unblock. -- ] (]) 13:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

== No worries ==

All's good. :) ] (]) 15:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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Given the amount of work that went into this discussion – 900 words from 11 users – it might have been appropriate to leave it for a while for others interested in the topic. History is complex.– ] (]) 14:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:"{{tq|Given the amount of <s>work that went into</s> '''time that was wasted on''' this discussion – 900 words from 11 users – it might have been appropriate to <s>leave it for a while for others interested in the topic</s> '''actually have deleted it a long time ago, because it was a complete embarrassment to everyone involved'''.}} It looks like you had a few typos in your comment. I fixed them for you. --]] 15:05, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

== Bludgeoning ==

Please allow me to return the favor of directing your attention to some good practices: ]

I really did learn something - thanks! ] (]) 15:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
:Cool story, bro. --]] 15:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

== Procedural notification ==

Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at ]. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. ] (]) 02:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

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== Workshopping the god-awful ITN significance standard ==

Hi Jayron32,

Let's put aside our cynicism for a moment: I have been working on creating a new path to assessing significance at ITN using a criteria that isn't so subjective. This is a long post, so I am going to hat it for your sake.

{{hat|Purpose}}
The ] significance criteria currently states that the following principles are useful for assessing consensus:

* The length and depth of coverage itself
* The number of unique articles about the topic
* The frequency of updates about the topic
* The types of news sources reporting the story

In my opinion, these principles would be excellent in determining whether a story is worth posting. However, in practice, we rarely see consistent adherence to these principles leading to the unfortunate outcome that consensus is usually based on a head count. Indeed, the threshold for "length and depth of coverage" could be narrow for some users (like myself) and wide for others. It's clear that demolishing the significance standard outright would not be workable either, for it risks creating the perception that ] is a ]. Yet at the same time, the current standard is contentious and the divides between users are deep and in some cases irreconcilable.

This thread seeks to workshop the idea of what a less contentious, less subjective criterion would look like. There is no point in attempting to prescribe a change to our procedures or guidelines as to what kind of items we should be posting to ITN, because there would never be any consensus to achieve this. Instead, the goal should be to find a common ground on rewording the current standard so as to reorient users towards a less adversarial approach to ITN/C.
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{{hat|Background}}

Let’s look at the things that presumed notable items do have in common, and those things that presumed non-notable items have in common. Note that all of these would have reliable source coverage:

* '''Examples of notable items:''' National elections, national or international sporting events with large viewership, disasters that affect lots of people, first rocket launches for a nation, wars, assassinations of a major political figure.

* '''Examples of non-notable items:''' Celebrity gossip, subnational elections, political intrigue, athletic records.

* '''Examples of grey area items''': Lawsuits between two major companies, business mergers, major archeological or scientific discoveries, United Nations directives, moderate disasters in areas that are known for disasters.

By categorizing these items, we can see the following commonalities:

* '''Notable items''' impact large amounts of people on a wide scale, whether it’s the population of a country or the whole world. They do not necessarily have to be injured or killed in order for this to happen, nor does there necessarily need to be international crossover, but it is an item that grabs public attention and may impact daily life in a significant way for those concerned

* '''Non-notable items''' are usually ignored because they don’t affect as many people. Or if they do affect people, the impact is not very tangible and at times the news coverage outsizes the actual notability.

* '''The grey area items''' fall somewhere in the middle, in that they affect a lot of people, but the actual degree of the impact is difficult to pinpoint for those outside of that sphere. This is the area that causes the most contention at ITN.

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Therefore, it seems that rather than a significance standard, we should be assessing based on an '''impact''' standard. This would not change how we operate at ITN/C, as the assessment method is still the same. However, the focus would change to determining the degree and scale as to how people are impacted. We can measure this by assessing the news coverage and answering the following questions:

* '''Depth:''' How much news coverage is this item receiving?

* '''Impact:''' How does the story define the impact on people in the region affected, if there is any?

* '''Ramifications:''' For the news category this story is posted under (politics, art, science, sports, etc.), what sort of ramifications are there?

Functionally, the types of items that are being posted to ITN would not change, as we are still assessing the significance of the stories, but we now have a clear standard in which we can review items as opposed to the waves of voting that essentially boil down to “it doesn’t affect me, so it must not be important.” In making the criteria more specific and objective, we would no longer apply a blanket, abstract “significance standard”. Instead, we qualitatively assess based on the above criteria, by actually reviewing the news coverage and exploring the details within it. From there, we can reach a consensus around whether these criteria have been satisfied rather than based on a head count.

The other advantage to this is that as we continue to use this system, the global consensus on ITN around what items are posted becomes clearer and more definable, which will help other users who might not understand what is required in order for a newsworthy item to actually be posted. Furthermore, we can document the changes over time as consensus changes.
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I know you and I have talked before, and you have explained that we already have standards in place for which we should assess something objectively. But I do believe that establishing clarity on significance would create a path to which those standards you speak of can actually be employed and thus enforced.

If you think this is worth trying, I can post it to ] and get people's input on it. It might be a better idea than just doing away with significance criteria entirely. ''']'''-''<small>(])</small>'' 14:46, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
:I think you're going to face an up-hill battle, because people who's purpose is to be cultural gatekeepers will fight ''vehemently'' to that role they have created for themselves. I support these efforts, and have no problem with you writing up a proposal of this type. I only hope there's enough consensus to grant some clarity here. --]] 11:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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==Madeleine McCann== ==RE: UTRS==
Hey. Thanks for your thoughtful closing note. That said, my understanding is that ] is for when a blocked user's talk page has been revoked (i.e. {{tl|uw-tparevoked}}). Which is to say, its intended use being to convince UTRS admins—or rather, '']'' ;)—that talk page access can be restored for the purposes of posting a normal unblock request. ] 17:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'll adjust. --]] 17:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


== Administrators' newsletter – May 2023 ==
is the reason why this article needs semi-protection, not the single edit by the IP who added the info about the PIs. This kind of vandalism happens pretty much on a daily basis when the article is not protected, and is not always caught quickly. There are serious ] issues surrounding this article, as well as issues about prejudicing an eventual trial, and Misplaced Pages has a responsibility to prevent this kind of thing from happening. Please consider restoring semi-protection.] (]) 10:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


] from the past month (April 2023).
:I agree that there is a lot of vandalism on Misplaced Pages. But most of the vandalism doesn't involve ]. Misplaced Pages could be sued for the instance above, and for subsequent one. In order to mitigate its liability, Misplaced Pages would have to show that it did everything possible to stop the libelous contributions. Immediate reversion is good, but it doesn't always happen. If it can be shown that IP editors are responsible for the vast bulk of the vandalism on a given artice, preventing them from editing the article would show that Misplaced Pages is taking its responsibilities seriously. There is good precendence for this on other articles. Where libel issues are concerned, one instance of vandalism per day is far too many. ] (]) 13:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


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…and may be a tad too controversial about how edits are made, but he/she isn't totally wrong.: Anynobody (referring to the blocked user)
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All I am proposing is that we give him one last chance to change before an indef. block after a month. Heck, we give repeat vandals that opportunity all the time, with 1 month, 3 month, 1 year blocks, but almost never indef. Besides, at least he remained on the talk page for the most part this time, rather than in the article, where he is less disruptive, which may mean he might be trying to improve himself: '''Yahel Guhan'''
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== General Question / Curiosity ==
I don't have a problem with Archtransit's action providing tha the follows through on it. I do have a problem with the same admin who originally made the block reimplementing it.: '''B'''


Hi there, Jayron. Seeing how you have taken some interest in the current RM over at ] I figured I would pose a question to you, being an administrator. I'm curious to know where the line of ] is. There were a few posts that made me raise an eyebrow.
:Of course, it's easy to do nothing and look the other way. Given the above quotes, I thought that immediate ban was not indicated. I thought that a compromise was in order. The details of a compromise is not the question but if there should be a compromise.


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:This is not wikilawyering. Wikilawyering would be a hard line stance for unblocking to counter the hard line, no bargaining stance of the pro-immediate banning side.
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I will say that I made a {{diff2|1152642403|similar post}} over on ], but it's the language of the other posts that made me most interested as to where the line was between notification to interested parties and canvasing with the intention of influencing an outcome. Given the current state of the discussion on the RM, I figured this would be worth questioning.
:I think feelings are too hurt or opinions too entrenched in this case for quick resolution. However, why the quick ban. Some cooling off, hand holding, mentorship of each edit, or allowing 1-2 days (or more) of editing followed by review are just some ideas. There hasn't even been discussion of the bad edits in question. All of this can be done in a few days, not 15 hours. After all, RFAs take 7 days, ArbCom elections take 14 days, featured article candidates are on the board 2 weeks or so, why the rush to ban the editor forever and denying him the chance to defend himself? ] (]) 19:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:: He had the chance to defend himself. If you wish to defend him, do so at ANI. If YOU think the block is unjustified, provide the evidence that exonerates him. However, to say he has not been given the opportunity to behave himself is inaccurate. He was placed under a reasonable set of guides for editing the last time he was indefiniately blocked. He broke those restrictions not once, not twice, but 3 times. WP:DR is for users that are involved in disputes with each other, not for users whose behavior is patently and repeatedly disruptive over a long period of time. There is a difference between a dispute (which involves 2 or more editors) and outright disruption (which is one editor acting like a ]). Again, if you have evidence that would indicate that the block was in error, please provide it at WP:ANI so consensus can be reached on how to handle it. But please do not ]. --].].] 20:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:::The editor is blocked. He cannot respond to ANI. At the least, he should be conditionally unblocked and allowed edits to DR and ANI. ] (]) 20:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Go ahead and make any proposals to ANI you wish then. Not that you need it, but you have my blessing to do so. See what the other people say there. If you can build consensus, good job. --].].] 03:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Please don't take this inquiry as anything other than a general curiosity. I actually !voted in favor of the RM and I think it's a good idea, so I'm certainly not attempting to influence in the other direction. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Gadugi;font-size:90%;border-radius:0em 1em;padding: 0.05em 0.9em;background:#3160B5;">] ]</span> 00:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
== ] ==
:I think that the wording of those notices could be taken as ''non-neutral''. They should really only be worded as "There's a discussion you may be interested in" and that's about it. --]] 09:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
::This is helpful: ]. ]<sup> ]&#124;]</sup> 14:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


== Criticism of content, not the contributor ==
Thanks for that. :) I was afraid it would be deleted. How are you doing? — ]] - ] 05:34, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Doing good man. How about you? Have you gotten more involved in deletion processes yet? --].].] 05:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I added a ref to the article. The permissions on the image may be a topic of discussion. Uploading to Commons would be a better idea. ] ] 05:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Cool, but the article itself is still not speedy material. Good stuff on your reference though. Well done. --].].] 06:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I didn't say anything about the article. I said to have a chat about free-license vs. just allowing an image to just one page. We are trying to keep it free, yo! ] ] 06:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well you go ahead and have that chat... I will not stand in your way... --].].] 20:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I'm doing okay. I haven't been getting involved in deletions as much. I'm focusing on creating pages and redirecting pages. I have finals coming up, too, so I can't get that much more involved. See ya later! — ]] - ] 00:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::Kewl. Well, have fun on your exams. As always, if you need any help, let me know... --].].] 00:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


Jayron32, in order to not keep the discussion at ] on topic, I respond to here. Again, I'm sorry that you felt personally attacked, but according to ], I still disagree with your accusation that my explicit criticism of the ''proposed exclusion'' of mention of Native American removal and assimilation from the caption about US territorial expansion as conforming with narratives of denial, constitutes an attack against ''you personally''. I clearly commented on the content, not on the contributor.
== Speedy deletion for ] ==
An already exists. Just FYI. ] (]) 06:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


I know you're my colleague and not my enemy, and that's why I want to clear up this misunderstanding. ] (]) 15:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
==My RfA==
:We're cool. Apology accepted; though be careful of ascribing motive where you don't know it. Carefully choosing your phrasing doesn't change the nature of the attack; and the issue wasn't that you called me a name, it's that you accused me of engaging in an action (denialism) that I was not. Playing games with the words doesn't change how the commentary lands. If you want to say it wasn't a personal attack, fine. But it was rude, incivil, and a clear violation of ] to say that I was engaging in things I had not done. Still, I don't want to belabor this anymore than it has, your apology is accepted, no hard feelings, I am aware that we both are trying to improve the article in question. Carry on. --]] 16:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Hello. I have chose you randomly to ask you to have a look at my ANI request made days ago: ]. ] (]) 19:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
:Then you have disqualified me from commenting. I have a personal policy that I don't respond to personal requests to administrate. You'll have to wait for someone else. --]] 11:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
::(] comment) - I have to say, that is a rather interesting self-policy. I tend to try to be a nice person and often will at least go look if someone leaves a note on my talk page. But the more I think about your policy, the more I like it. : ) - <b>]</b> 15:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
:::I'll be ''helpful'' all the time if it doesn't involve my role as an admin. Like, if you say "Hey, I wrote this bit here, can you read it over and clean it up a bit" or "Hey, I'm trying to find sources on this, but am running into some trouble, can you help a but", I will almost ''always'' pitch in. There's something kinda dirty about hand-selecting the judge-jury-and-executioner you want to deal with your enemies, however, and I'll have no part of that. --]] 15:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::I understand. And I think it's a fair position on ]. The more I think about it, the more it grows on me. That said, myself, I think I'll still wobble towards helping. But you've really given me some food for thought. - <b>]</b> 15:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
::::I chose you ''randomly''... ] (]) 15:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
:::::And yet, I'm still not going to act on your request. Vaya con dios. --]] 15:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

== Ren (British musician) ==

Thank you for removing the Notability template. I was almost through checking that all the citations were in order when half of the article was removed and some of the citations we had just timestamped. ] (]) 02:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

:I can't put citations for the remaining items that need them without it essentially being a revert. They deleted the birth registry citation, the the YouTube community page citation where Ren writes the month and day of his birth, all of the Justin Hawkins YouTube Interview timestamped citations from the Early life section. I was under the impression they were okay. was I wrong? ] (]) 08:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
:I agree with the discography change. ] (]) 09:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
:I moved these comments to the talk page ] (]) 09:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
:After I reworked the Trick the Fox section based on the Justin Hawkins Interview you added I started working on adding all the timestamps to the citations and making sure the rest of the article was properly cited. I had done a large percentage of it and had to take a break.
:23:20 12 May 2023 is when Drmies started editing and removing several areas. Including the YouTube timestamped references along with secondary references and information from the infobox. You can see the comments made.
:You will need to select to view the last 100 edits
:I agree with what was done to the Discography.
:Mackey79 and I were already talking about it in the Discography section @ 19:36, 12 May 2023
:I wasn't sure exactly what to do about the youtube citations being removed or what I needed to do differently about sourcing The Big Push section they completely removed saying there were no secondary sources for the claims. I had two sources at the end. That is when I made that post to you. That is also why I asked if there was a tutorial on citation placement.
:I waited a bit but decided to work on it by myself and added additional sources, removed a line, and added another. I added info back to the infobox with citations. and recited the removed YouTube citations with this in the edit box.  Citation from Justin Howkins' Interview with Ren. This is information Ren would be reasonably expected to know)
:21:54, 14 May 2023‎ Drmies started editing again.
:you can see the comments (and why I said what I did about the instruments he plays and occupations)
:I used a different secondary source because the one I used prior to that didn't state all of the things he was questioning and the new source did.
:Then Drmies posted on my profiles talk section. You can look rather than me going into detail. I
:I wanted to answer here instead of the Ren talk page so it didn't make things worse and have the talk page be something it shouldn't.
:Sorry if you were blindsided. I don't think Drmies is reading the talk page anyway. I'm up early today because my nurse came early. They had an appointment. ] (]) 18:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
::So I don't have a lot of insight into specifically ''why'' Drmies did what they did, so you'll need to ask them directly, but all I can say is that having a source (like the Hawkins interview) is a ''necessary'' condition to add something, but it is not ''sufficient''. Just because something has a source doesn't mean that it fits in the article (it could be irrelevant or trivial or inaccurate or badly written or any number of other issues that are too many to all list here) and just having a source doesn't prevent something from being removed for an issue that is unrelated to verifiability. If you want specific reasons why Drmies removed some specific text, however, you'll need to ask them. --]] 18:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
:::I'm not asking for you to get involved just letting you know what is going on. I'm obviously not cut out for this. Thank you ] (]) 18:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

== Vyyyrhastar: ==

We need a in addition to , for things like ] (]) 03:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

== Hey ==

Jayron32, This is a new editor and this IP address is shared by hundreds of people, what is with that long list of names and dates on the method of loci article? Should not it be turned into a clickable link] (])anany ] (]) 15:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:Possibly, but the names serve a purpose. The names are a ] showing which ] one can find the original information in. When you ''remove'' those sources (no matter how they are formatted), that makes it impossible for anyone to know what the sources were. Also, replacing those sources with personal commentary is not useful. --]] 15:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
::I understand now. I apologize for the trouble I have caused, I will make sure to remember this in the future. Thank you. ] (]) 15:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Hello, I am a ]. There is a link but the url rotted; I have redirected note 2 to the correct content. &nbsp; &ndash;] (]) 16:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

== Hey, I apologize. I hope we're good. ==

I wholeheartedly apologize for making it come off as if I was accusing you of anything or for anything I said where it came off as if I was putting words in your mouth or anything. Was never my intention~ I'm just generally annoyed by the amount of controversy lately that these version history articles have created, generally by the same general group of editors who would much rather have articles deleted rather than improved, where in most cases, Misplaced Pages policy recommends deletion only as a last resort, if articles can't be improved to no longer violate policy. I also just generally disagree with the ways in which WP:CHANGELOG have been interpreted, mainly to use a very loose definition of what exhaustive means, but that's why i originally created the proposal. I just generally don't understand why tables create so much controversy but thats a debate I don't want to have on your talk page. I just wanted to genuinely say that I'm sorry. :( I am very argumentative due to brain chemistry stuff, and sometimes it makes me argue irrationally. I try to control it but it's just really hard, sadly. But yeah I genuinely do hope that we're okay. - ] (] · ]) 17:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:Yeah, we're fine. I recognize the investment you've made in this topic, and I want to make clear I'm not disagreeing with you on most points just to be antagonistic. I generally find myself in the middle ground on this matter; I think Misplaced Pages covering the history of important software is fine, but I also think that the content of these articles goes too far into the weeds, and could stand for better narrative flow. I think the entire area could stand for a wider amount of voices (which I was trying to provide) and that the same people ''on both sides'' could stand to let it rest for a bit.--]] 17:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

== St. Louis, Missouri - Union or Confedrate? ==

In the ''Little House on the Prairie'' season 4 episode ], a lawyer from St Louis had a box containing Confederate money. https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#St._Louis,_Missouri_-_Union_or_Confedrate? ] (]) 21:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
:I have no interest carrying on ref desk threads on my user talk page. --]] 16:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

== A small, humble request ==

Hello Jayron32. About 6 million years ago, I spent hours upon untold, unending hours arguing my head off in a fever swamp discussion about whether or not every single school in the US should have its own Misplaced Pages article. That permanently warped my brain. I can't read those fever swamp threads anymore. My soul is sucked into a negative vortex and the universe collapses into a mote in a used car salesman's eye. So just now I posted on that d*mn Fox News thread, but I have no idea where my post should have gone.... you seem to know what's going on... as a tiny favor... pretty please... could you refactor it for me? Thanks.&nbsp;&sect;&nbsp;] (]&#124;]) 12:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
:{{done}} --]] 16:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
* Thank you...!&nbsp;&sect;&nbsp;] (]&#124;]) 21:34, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

== Notices ==

I have a question for you. Is there any reason why when it is posted on someone’s talk page about a notice (i.e. AnI and the such) that it doesn’t link to the actual conversation so that users do not need to scroll through all of the discussions to find the one they are listed at? I’ve noticed the topic does not always include the user name. I’ve noticed this at other boards as well. ] (]) 16:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
:{{tl|ANI-notice}} does contain fields to link to the exact topic name on ANI. Sometimes, people don't fill it in. The reason is behavioral, and not technical, and there's nothing we can really do about it, we can't force people to fill in that field of the template, or to link to the correct conversation if they choose to post a notice by manually typing it out. Simply put, people can do it, people should do it, but we really have no way to make people do it. --]] 17:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

== https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea ==

Remove your ban of discussion about this or I will report you to the site moderators and have them remove your ban. I do not need your permission to defend Jacobin and Misplaced Pages is not censored. ] (]) 12:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
:I would strongly advise you to not report anyone (read ]), and ]. ] (]) 12:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
::How dare you insult me by calling me incompetent? ] (]) 13:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
:::I am warning you why a report is a bad idea when someone displays as much ] as you are (pointed out by a number of users, not just me). The RFC was closed as it asked for a ruling on a point no one but you made. ] (]) 13:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
*Cool story, bro. --]] 14:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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== Closure ==

What an excellent summation of the facts you made at that closure for Jack. Very nicely written and a great conclusion. — ]&nbsp;(&nbsp;]&nbsp;•&nbsp;]&nbsp;) 13:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you! --]] 14:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
::I'd like to second MaxnaCarta. That was a very difficult discussion to read, with many different factors and opposing/overlapping arguments, and your close was very well written with a good explanation. Thank you for your work! ''']''' (] &#124; ]) 01:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

== Enjoy your time off! ==

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== Minor shenanigans by the archive bot ==

Greetings! Spotted something funny: two discussions at VPP; then one on May 29 without the hat, then the other on May 31 ''with'' the hat, but the bot placed the hat above the wrong discussion. Seems like the bot doesn't keep hats intact when they span multiple discussions. (This confused both and ; I've now ).

I'll report it to the bot operator in case there's a way to fix it. And by the way, enjoy your holidays! ] (]) 07:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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:I'm like a ninja. You never know when I'll appear. --]] 12:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

== ref desk ==
{{hat|I've had enough ] for one day. --]] 11:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)}}
The Reference Desk is for "Ask research questions about any topic except Misplaced Pages itself", and I came here about Misplaced Pages's strong attachment to mainstream corporate media. ] (]) 17:52, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
:Cool story bro. --]] 17:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
::I was only there because Misplaced Pages is only attached to mainstream media, and not any other alternative resources whatsoever. ] (]) 17:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Misplaced Pages is not attached to "mainstream media" (which, as an intelligent person, you clearly already know is a ] announcing your own political feelings). Misplaced Pages is attached to ]. --]] 17:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
::::"Misplaced Pages is not attached to "mainstream media" Seems pretty self-contradicting since you always use commercially-controlled media as sources, which even if you say its a 'reliable source', they're allowed to lie legally. ] (]) 18:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Cool story, bro. --]] 18:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Could you actually respond instead of that? ] (]) 18:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::I think that fully captures my feelings, and does not need to be further elaborated. --]] 18:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Welp, I guess you cant argue even in the slightest of logic. ] (]) 18:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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:You kids and your fancy tools. I'm good typing things in by hand. <old man yells at cloud> --]] 17:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
::I recommend using RFUD-helper. You restored ] but didn't make a minor edit to the page so it was tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G13 again. You have to make an edit to the page after restoration or it becomes immediately eligible for deletion again. So, I untagged it and doing this made an edit to the draft. But if you use the helper tool, it will take care of that step for you. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 04:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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:Thank you, kind sir! --]] 10:45, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


== Generative AI and Misplaced Pages research ==
== Streetboxing ==
See my comment on the article's talk page. It's a hoax; Google search yields no results. ] (]) 01:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Fair enough. I'll just AfD it instead. Thanks for the response! ] (]) 01:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi Jayron32,
==Whoa! BroadwayWorld.com is not spam==
Hello. BroadwayWorld.com is an important, verifiable reference source for ] articles. I wish that, before you blocked links to websites entirely, you would leave a message at the project talk page for the projects whose articles use the links, so that the question could be better discussed. This has happened in many articles that I edit, especially in the ] project. What should I do in the future when I notice valuable links being deleted? It seems like it is usually too late by then. It may be that some editor misused links to the website, but that doesn't mean that the website it no good. Are they permanently blocked? Best regards, -- ] (]) 15:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
My name is Dr. Tim Koskie and I am a researcher at the Centre for Media Transition (CMT) at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS). We are conducting a study on the implications of content-generating AI systems such as ChatGPT for knowledge integrity on Misplaced Pages, and are approaching you because you have participated in discussions on this topic on Wikimedia pages.
:Um, wrong person. I have asked Betacommand to NOT blacklist the site. You may want to take it up with him... --].].] 16:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
If you are interested, we would like to invite you to participate in our study. It would involve joining either a focus group discussion or an interview (around 1 hour), in person at Wikimania in Singapore if you are going to be there, or online at a future date. At these sessions we would ask you questions about how you think generative AI will impact Misplaced Pages, as well as about the kinds of work you do on Misplaced Pages.
The project is funded by the Wikimedia Research Fund grant programme. You can find out more about the project here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/Research:Implications_of_ChatGPT_for_knowledge_integrity_on_Wikipedia
If you are interested, let me know and I will forward you some more detailed information on the project. ] (]) 04:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
:Thanks for the offer, but I'm not really interested. Good luck with your study though! --]] 11:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks for the response, and we appreciate your contributions to the larger discussions. ] (]) 23:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


== That is not entirely true ==
Hi. Sorry, I didn't mean to criticize you specifically, I just saw that you were involved in the discussion at ANI. I'm just trying to understand how to avoid these premature blacklisting. I left a message at Betacommand's talkpage, and I would be happy to add my voice to yours. I'm only saying that it would be great if, before sites are blacklisted, the issue is discussed at relevant project talkpages instead of just at the ANI page, which most people don't monitor. Best regards, <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Hi, you once told me ''Reporting the results of such demographic data (religious affiliation) from censuses is entirely uncontroversial as far as I can tell.'' Let me tell you that is not entirely true. For instance, in 2008, Nigerian officials removed the religious affiliation question from the census questionnaire in response to violent social protests. The tension was that in this country believed to be nearly equally divided between Muslims and Christians, various constituencies felt that the census results would be biased and would show that one or the other religion predominated. ] (]) 16:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
== Hublot ==
:Okay. --]] 11:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)


== Thanks! ==
You denied speedy for ]. I won't dispute the point but so that I can do a better job in the future while on New Pages Patrol, could you please identify the multiple claims of importance? I still don't see them. ] (]) 16:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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== I really need your help == == A user mentioned you on ANI ==


In case you weren't aware, a user mentioned you on ]. Best --]] 03:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
HeaveTheClay tell him to stop he personal attacked me he takes reliable things off pages he undoes off topic thing please help i really don't want to get by this user please he aleasy person attacks me please help.--] 00:15, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads up. Will monitor in case anyone says anything that needs my response. --]] 11:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
::So your going to let him talk to me like come on look at the history he's up to no good no matter what we tell him he does it anyway i'm not guna let him keep callin me a troll even after he personal attacked me 3 times just to let you know he hurt by calling me this "I have no reason for being upset but if you lack the mentality for knowing my actions on the Smash Bros series page then you really should stop talking to me. I'm asking you now to stop trying to troll me. Grow up.--HeaveTheClay" Do your job I have dyslexia 1st off and as rules say he should at least get a warning.--] 00:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)(not sure if you read this)


== Administrators' newsletter – September 2023 ==
== WHY DID YOU ==


] from the past month (August 2023).
why did you revert my edit in the talk page of wikipedia: etiquette? The reaosn i did that edit was because new additions to the Etiquette page should go on the etiquettes main space rathern than its talk page. the users had accidentaly placed them there and i moved them to where they belonged. ] (]) 00:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::okay i undestand now but i really think that ALL of the discussion belongs on the main space with the rest of the entries in the etiquette page since the last time i accidentally put a complaint on the etiquette's talk page it was moved to the main page and i was informed that it was policy to limit any new entries to the main page rather thatn the discussion page. ] (]) 00:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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Well this person in the Ed, Edd, n Eddy section is giving crap for adding information that I had a reference for.] (]) 03:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
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:Jayron32, please explain to this person the basics of Misplaced Pages: that it is an encyclopedia, and that we do not publish rumors and speculation. He found a site that he tried to link to, which was nothing but a collection of demos for some future episode of ]. He then tried to list this unaired and unfinished episode on a page of already aired episodes, as if it had aired and is real. He does not understand what Misplaced Pages is about, and sees my defending of the article from rumor and speculation as a personal attack. Thank you. -- ] ] 16:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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::I am not getting in the middle of this to decide who is right and who is wrong. Please seek ] by using such venues as ] and ] to seek out uninvolved editors. Thank you. --].].] 17:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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Well Jayron, it looks like things have quieted down quite a bit over at that article's talk space, and that the editors are finally working together to make the article a good one. (We did it!) Thanks again for all of your help and attention to things there, YOU rawk!
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I have another issue that I've just picked up this evening. (Please see ] for details.) Looks like a "subject matter expert" (hmm, if an "ex" is a has-been, and a "spurt" is a drip under pressure...) and an anony-mouse IP editor are getting into a revert war over content. If I find that this has tiptoed into 3RR territory, I might need your "velvet hammer" to be applied. I just don't know yet, as the details are being fleshed out as we type... ] (]) 04:47, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
: I am going to stay uninvolved in that one, if only because it appears both parties have now agreed to go to the talk page to hammer out their differences... --].].] 04:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::Well THAT was quick, but again a good thing. Let's see how that one goes, but looks promising right from the out... ] (]) 05:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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== WP:AIV ==
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Guess I'm the one who broke the AIV bots. Sorry about that. I see you were doing all of the work for them. I guess its all fixed now. - ] (]) 18:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
* ] now shows the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. ({{phab|T324166}})
:Eh... whatever. No big whoop. --].].] 18:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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U hasz it. <nowiki></lolcat></nowiki> - ] 18:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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:U hasz mi anzer --].].] 19:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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== talk page access ==
Unlike DFDL, HTC's user talk page is locked right now from editing by lower-level editors. Could you do me a BIG favor, and post this to the page;


I wrote up this response regarding the use of one's user talk page when blocked before you received a reply. Based on your subsequent response, I'm guessing my response covers guidance of which you are already aware. On the off-chance that it might be helpful, I'm posting it here, but feel free to ignore it.
Post-block discussions


Although there are many editors who hold the view that a blocked user should only use their talk page for an appeal, for better or worse, it doesn't have consensus support. At {{section link|Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy|Standard block options}}, under "Prevent this user from editing their own talk page while blocked": {{tq|...editing of the user's talk page should be disabled only in cases of continued abuse of their user talk page, or when the user has engaged in serious threats, accusations, or attempts at outing that must be prevented from re-occurring.}} (] is one I remember in particular, where talk page access was removed but later restored to allow them to continue to make comments much as they had been doing.) It's a bit fuzzier for site-banned editors: {{section link|Misplaced Pages:Banning policy|Further enforcement measures}} just states {{tq|Indefinitely site-banned editors may be restricted from editing their user talk page or using email.}} Based solely on what I have come across (which is only a very few number of cases) and can recall, admins are typically tolerant of general discussion, but the line between that and disruption is murky. ] (]) 18:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
HeaveTheClay, once your block is lifted, I cordially invite you to participate in discussions on the article at ]. Please remember when participating in these discussions, to follow the following suggestions;
:I thank you for your additional information, but my comments were not made because of a lack of knowledge on my part. They were made because I am an asshole. No amount of additional education will fix that. It's just who I am. Ask around, you'll learn quickly once you get to know me better. --]] 18:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
*Please remain civil.
::] ] (]) 18:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
*The past is exactly that, the ''past''. Leave it at the door.
:::Keep firing! --]] 10:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
*Be constructive, clear and concise in describing what you would like to accomplish.
::I don't have any particular argument with your comment, and even the last sentence regarding the purpose of allowing access isn't contradictory to practice; that is an important purpose. My apologies for covering known territory: I thought you were suggesting that some kind of corrective action take place and so brought up the relevant guidance for reference. ScottishFinnishRadish's analysis, though, addressed the specific situation and thus was more useful. ] (]) 18:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
*NO REVERT WARRING. ] applies dynamically.
*Try to work towards concensus, or at the least, compromise.
Again, once your account is unblocked, I encourage you to take part in these discussions, as they can not only serve the article and Misplaced Pages as a whole, but ''also'' build your skills as an editor. Thank you, and I look forward to seeing you there! Edit Centric (talk) 20:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


== Sorry if my tone came across as harsh ==
Pretty standard stuff, I posted identically at DFDL's talk page... ] (]) 20:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


After rereading what I said on El_C's talk page, I realized it could be read with far more vitriol than was intended. The tone I was reaching for was exasperated. ] (]) 18:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
::You ARE the bomb dot com! ] (]) 22:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Understood. I stepped into a situation I had no business being in, given my lack of proper investigation. I got what I deserved. --]] 10:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)


== ''The Center Line'': Fall 2023 ==
==Andrea Bocelli==
Hi just wondering if you could have a quick scan for me over the article? As you will see I have virtually re-written the entire article. I have also worked with Belcanti who has also helped me today after my final edit by sorting out some stuff. The criticism section is one area that seems to create strong views. When I was researching into it I read through one review fro the New York Times chief Music Critic as well as another one he did a year later. What I then did was expand to explain where the criticism was from etc, but also added some responses to his criticism in the form of letters to the paper. When I added them I was unsure of their verifiability, but did so on the basis of showing how the general public viewed the criticism. Belcanti has (quite rightly) pointed out that these are very opinionated. I added them though really to show how music/opera fans viewed that criticism. Now I'm not sure whether they fall within the bounds of what is acceptable or not on wikipedia and wondered what you think? Thanks.]·<small>]</small> 22:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Here's an idea. Don't call the section "Criticism". Call it "Recepeption". And in the section, include a sampling of positive and negative reviews of his work. That is more neutral. Also, letters to the paper aren't exactly reliable in the sense that they aren't written by respected music critics. The public reception is best gauged by album sales; they wouldn't buy it if they didn't like it. I would stick to music critic responses, and I would neutralize the section by changing the focus to be about critical reception by respected music journalists both positive and negative. --].].] 02:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


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:Yes it stops. Trust the admins. We aren't foolish. No one is going to act on this... If you both continue down the road you are traveling, you both risk being blocked for disruption. If either of you stops now, then the one who stops will not be blocked. If you both stop, no one gets blocked. Capesce? --].].] 05:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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] from the past month (September 2023).
You might like to partcipate in ], given your creation of the Tom Jennings and Dick Lane articles. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">]</span></b> &#91;]&#93; &#91;]&#93; <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 11:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


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There's probably another way to do it, but the quickest way I've lifted autoblocks is to go into ], search for the account blocked (the IP that the blocked account used will be listed, but only as a series of numbers so the IP isn't revealed, see ), and unblock the IP. Unblocked IPs and accounts are not listed in there. ] 19:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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: See, I did that (look at the links I provided) and I didn't see ANY blocks listed on the IPblocklist... Weird... --].].] 19:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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You may have missed it - I have a question for you at ] - thanks. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Or I may have just not been online. Sorry, happens to the best of us... --].].] 06:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


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You commented on a user I reported for vandalism. I've tried explaining the situation to this user and engaging in dialog, but I can't get a response. Is there something else you would suggest that I try besides blocking? I'd rather explain it than block this user, but I can't find a way to get a response.


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* 68.2.156.53 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • block user • block log) - On Wagner tuba; vandalism after final warning. This IP address has been blocked twice for vandalism this month, once on Jan 16 and again on Jan 20.. WeisheitSuchen (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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:This doesn't look like obvious vandalism. Its not exactly useful contributions, but it looks like the user is trying to be helpful, even if misguided. This does NOT seem clear cut to me. Has anyone tried talking to the user to explain what the problem with the edits are? Templated warnings aren't really helpful in a situation like this. Has anyone tried to really talk to them? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
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::Here's the messages about this change that this user has previously received. I've tried explaining it several times, but I haven't been able to get a response from the user. Initially, I did do specific explanations rather than template warnings, as you can see below. Also, when I have used template warnings, I added an explanation.


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**"You edited Natural horn repeatedly to add "French" in front of horn. The consensus is to use the terminology of the International Horn Society, i.e., just horn. See the discussion from the Horn article for the explanation. You are welcome to join the discussion if you would like to make arguments for your point there. WeisheitSuchen (talk) 03:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)"
* ] is open regarding amending the ] policy to add the following text: {{tq|Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Misplaced Pages-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.}}
**"Once again, you edited an article to put French in front of horn, and your edits to Paxman Musical Instruments were reverted. Also, you put links on the words "French horn" in several other articles. Links to "French horn" redirect to the primary page for the horn. When you add links, add them to the primary page rather than to a page that just redirects. If you have any questions about how to do that, feel free to drop me a note on my talk page. WeisheitSuchen (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)"
**"Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did to Alto horn, you will be blocked from editing. As noted here several times, the consensus is to use "horn," not French horn. Your repeated changes to add "French" will continue to be reverted every time you make them. Also, please don't link to the phrase "French horn," which redirects to Horn (instrument), especially when a link already exists earlier in the same sentence as you did in Mellophone. WeisheitSuchen (talk) 16:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)"
**"The next time you vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did to Wagner tuba, you will be blocked from editing. Adding French in front of Horn is vandalism. If you want to discuss this matter, please use the talk page for the main article for the [[Horn (instrument)))."


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***Looks like someone already blocked them. Yeah, looking closer, you definately did the right thing. Sorry I wasn't more help before, but they have been blocked now. For the record, since the blocking path has apparently been opened, if THAT doesn't get the user's attention, and the same problematic behavior continues, buzz me and I'll see what I can do. --].].] 06:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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::::Thanks. This is the first user I've ever reported, and I'm still learning the process. I wanted to check whether there was some other path I could take. Hopefully the repeated blocks will be enough to get this user's attention. ] (]) 15:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
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==RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles==
==New Semester, New Appeal==
]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at ]. &#x0020;I saw that you participated in a ]. ] (]) 18:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)<!-- ] -->


==Hello! ==
This semester I am teaching academic writing to a group of teachers at my school. This course starts on Monday Jan 28. I would like to know if you are still interesting in "mentoring". You can see the syllabus at ]If so, please leave a message on my talk page and update the mentor's page ], if . If not, please remove your name and information from that page. Thanks! ] (]) 00:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Jayron32,


I was just thinking about you and noticed that you had recently gone inactive. I hope all is well and that you are just busy with off-Misplaced Pages life. I hope, in good time, you return to the project. Take care, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 19:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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:The same happened to me, and I share Liz's hopes. Peace. ---] ] 00:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
::I also just realized that I haven't seen you on the ref desks for a while. I hope all is well with you. --] 07:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
:Just a note to say that I had a brief exchange with Jayron32 off-wiki. All is well, he has had some difficulties accessing his account but hopes to be back. --] 14:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Do you have time to talk about style in Misplaced Pages articles? ==
You just unblocked the page and I see you reverted an edit a user made until the dispute has been resolved. Problem is XLR8TION isn't responding to the discussion on the talk page anymore and hasn't made any contributions on Misplaced Pages for a week. So now what? ] (]) 00:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


In the hope of finding a fellow Wikipedian who is interested in questions of style in Misplaced Pages articles, I had a look at the revision history of the article about one of my favorite books of all time, Pinker's Sense of Style. Your name stood out for some reason as promising, so I had a look at your talk page, which seemed welcoming. The fact that you have a lot of edits to your name seems to be a plus as well.
== Entries in 2007 article ==


If you don't want to talk about this, or with me, I am totally okay with that. But if you do, let's talk.
Hey Jayron, a quick question for you. When copyediting, which tense is used in the article; "WAS shut down", or "IS shut down"? ] (]) 04:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:Woo... I would personally use the past tense, but my copyediting skills are not exactly what they should be. Try the ], they are very good at fixing these things. --].].] 05:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


I am especially interested right now in a rule of thumb for good writing (in English, and probably in most other languages give a choice between using a plural or a singular when make a general statement) that I came up with a few months or possibly a few years ago, and that has informed my editing at Misplaced Pages for at least several months.
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Here it is:
==From Brokenchicken==
Thank You for the Smile Award on my Brokenchicken page, this will be good for Monday!{{unsigned|Brokenchicken}}
:Glad to be of service. --].].] 08:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


Avoid the use of a plural whenever reasonably possible, and thus have greater clarity. I mainly have general statements in mind. Thus one would avoid the first sentence, and write instead the second or third, depending on what precisely your intended meaning was.
== Battlestations! ==
1. "When men and women get married they usually produce children."
2. "When a man and a woman get married they usually produce a child."
3. "When a man and a woman get married they usually produce children."
Whether or not this is a good rule of thumb, I seem to be the only person to have said anything about this, so maybe I have come up with an original idea. About half a day of my best googlefu turned up nothing relevant. I even looked at every instance of the word "plural", using control F in the entire text of Pinker's awesome Sense of Style, and that of the Chicago Style Manual, and that Strunk and White's The Elements of Style.


I would appreciate it if you would take the time to share your thoughts about this with me. ] (]) 22:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Psst! Jayron, time to let you in on the sitch; this is a TEST. I want to see how everyone responds to the situation, and to what degree they are willing to work together to reach a consensus, even on something as trivial (yes, you are right. The entire idea is minutiae at best!) as the back cover art.
In the Navy, toward the end of Basic, they have an excercise called "Battlestations", where recruits are put in a real-life situation to see how they handle it, if they're going to break, etceteras. I know it's possibly "dirty pool", but I needed to get an idea of everyone's thought processes so I could troubleshoot deeper if needed. I LOVE your input on this though! ] (]) 20:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


:The fact that you are an administrator did not affect my decision to post on your talk page. I have no idea how it is relevant to that decision, though I expect it is relevant. ] (]) 22:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Reply == == Hope you're well ==


It's been a bit over 5 month since your last edit so I checked your xtools and noticed you've only gone two separate months without editing since 2007. Hope you're doing well and that you're away for all the best reasons! ] (]) 23:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I think you had mistaken. I didn't say that I play games in ]/department of fun nor Misplaced Pages. Secondly, I HAVE BEEN IN WIKIPEDIA FOR ABOUT A MONTH and thirdly, I have been contributing over 100 times AND YOU SAID 17? I didn't post a RFA too and YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS!(The block letters is to emphasise, not to be rude nor harsh).--] (]) 06:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:He's active elsewhere on the internet so he's certainly well. Last time I spoke to him he told me that the reason why he stopped editing Misplaced Pages was that he was having trouble accessing his account, but that was several months ago, so maybe he's stepped away for other reasons. --] 11:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
::I do hope you're right and that that's the case @]. If so, hopefully he can reach out and get some assistance with regaining access to his account. I know myself and others definitely miss them! ] (]) 11:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)


:: I've been missing Jayron's cheery presence, too, and trust all is well in his world. -- ] </sup></span>]] 19:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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: You're right. My bad... --].].] 07:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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I am reaching out to you because of your previous participation in one of the discussions regarding the reliability and neutrality of ''HuffPost/Pink News/ProPublica'' as sources used on Misplaced Pages.
RFC has been tried. But he's the only one that has had a problem with the addition of those names on the list. So if he's not there to argue his point then there's really no where to go. He stopped commenting on the discussion as soon as the page was blocked. ] (]) 02:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


Currently, there is an ongoing issue with the ] in the ] Misplaced Pages article. The section appears to be biased and lacks a balanced representation of the foundation's activities, as it primarily focuses on a single controversial donation while neglecting to mention the organization's numerous other significant contributions to various causes.
==Blocking==
Can you explain what exactly you meant by "protracted edit war on ]", why exactly did you block me, did you actually go through the edits. And can you reply to the concerns I raised .


I would like to invite you to participate in the ] to address the concerns surrounding the section's neutrality and explore ways to improve its content. ] (]) 18:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Thanks


== Henry Every ==
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:Hello
Are you able to add the attached article that appeared in The Guardian on 31 March 2024 about Henry Avery to Henry Every Misplaced Pages page.
The URL is attached: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/explorers-unlock-the-mystery-of-pirate-king-henry-avery-who-vanished-after-huge-heist-at-sea ] (]) 00:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)


== June 2024 ==
:In light of what you just said, namely "The issue was the series of reverts and un-reverts that occured between 09:15 22-Jan-2008 (UTC) and 05:59 26-Jan-2008." However bearing in mind I added a on 21:07, 23 January as per talk, I did one revert after that and believe it or not I was going seek outside assistance if GG reverted my edits, which he did, but I was robbed of the opportunity. Looking at the talk page, I have clearly noted what I disagreed with, I have was contacted by an aggrieved editor, but as per talk advised him we needed .


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:In response to the statement that "The issue was that the same edits were being made over and over without any regard for achieving consensus or seeking outside help." I would say this, I was not trying to revert to the same edit over and over again - I was responsive to the talk page, my second from last edit was made directly to address. Personally I think all that Martial races stuff from earlier on was a synthesis, but I let it pass.


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:Anyway to reiterate I would not have kept going in loop, endlessly reverting - I was actually going to let the edit stand and mark as pov, I feel that you have prejudged me based on the past behaviour of other editors - and the fact that the article has seen a lot of activity. But the thing that bugs me was that I was not informed that Wiki considers grounds for a banning, I've heard of ], but not whatever you did then - surely as an editor who has never had any warnings or anything, shouldn't the onus be on you to let me know. I mean this sincerely, because the ban came like a bolt out of the blue and to be frank I was a little pissed off, especially I am not one for arguments - and did not consider this to be edit warring (was I only blocked because GG undid my edit?, if he hadn't would I have still been blocked?)


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:But anyway, now I've got all that off my chest, and my annoyance has finally subsided :-), I can say on the plus side at least I know how things work (errm sort of), it still would have been nice to have told me this beforehand!


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:Anyway it transpires that ] was a sock of a serial mischief maker and has been banned. I am going to make a few points on the talk page, not quite yet, but would like it if you would review it - and if you deem it acceptable, then I (or someone else) will make the changes without me getting banned again :-)


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Hi, Jayron32,


I was just noticing that you haven't edited since last September, you are getting close to "inactive" status of 12 months. I'd hate if we lost you as an administrator as I've been looking at some old ANI pages and I really admire the way you closed what seemed like long, drawn out, unwieldy discussions on that noticeboard. We could really use you back if you have the time and inclination.
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I understand about taking a WikiBreak, I stopped editing from 2016-2018 when I moved cross-country and had some health issues. I hope your off-wiki life is going well and I look forward to seeing your return should you wish to come back into the trenches. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:26, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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:I'd like to say the same thing! I've always really enjoyed reading your contributions. ] (]) 18:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Lol. Are you going to leave that there as a trophy, or should I delete it? :P · ] <sup>]</sup> 20:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


::Awesome. My talk page has been vandalised. Kewl Beans!!! --].].] 03:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


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Sorry for accusing you before. I didn't know that you are talking about mainspace edits only. Next, i think I didn't ask properly about summaries and caused misunderstanding about RFA. Also, I said '''NEARLY''' A MONTH, didn't I? I'm sorry for everything and could you please forgive me?--] (]) 02:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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:Hope you've been well and that you're away for positive reasons Jayron, we miss you! ] (]) 14:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
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I'm thinking of nominating myself for adminship. Would you like to write me a co-nomination? I hope you say yes. By the way, I've been participating in speedy deleting ] now. I believe I got over 100 to 200 pages deleted. — ]] - ] 06:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
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::Oh, that doesn't sound good. I wonder why people ask for people's opinions on it... — ]] - ] 08:44, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I know this doesn't sound good, but I've only been doing CSD for a few days (although working really hard on it). AfD's been somewhat sporadic, here and there. I've tried fighting vandalism, but I can't get to seem VandalProof working. :( I think I'll post at the Village Pump right now and get some more information about it. — ]] - ] 08:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
::Although, I've been getting compliments for my admitting of errors. Does that count? — ]] - ] 08:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


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Hi @Jayron32, I wanted to thank you for defending my position in the disagreement I've been having with Fram. I felt strongly supported, and even though I know you weren't standing up for me as an editor but rather for the actions I performed, the result was the same. I could definitely have conducted myself better in the way I communicated with Fram, and I will do my best to be less reactive when my buttons are pushed. I also accept the point about my seeming alacrity to "bite" new editors (though it isn't my intention to do so) and will strive to be more patient in that area. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I do want to make clear I wasn't particularly supporting your position in the debate per se. I'm not entirely sure who is right and who is wrong, but that's a content matter to be resolved via the normal dispute resolution processes. My only concern is that Fram's position that you were vandalizing was beyond the pale, and they needed to walk that back. --Jayron32 04:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

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Holy fuck. 15 years. Damn it. This feels less like a congratulation and more like a condemnation.... --Jayron32 20:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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First, thank you for your kindness. I felt extremely humbled being described as a friend by a respected and experienced editor of the encyclopedia. I have a small request, if you could spare the time. Can you go through my contributions, to the article namespace and the project namespace, and give me a general review of my editing, as well as some advice about what I can do to improve my contributions?

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I'm seeing lots of good work. Your recently created article on the Territory of the Comoros looks really good, and your contributions to the Misplaced Pages space looks civil, thoughtful, and well presented. Keep up the good work! If you've got any more specific questions, please let me know! --Jayron32 12:59, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding this, it seems like the editor is being deliberately obtuse. I posted him at AIV for ref desk trolling, but the admin rejected it. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:46, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Actually, I don't agree with that. There's some WP:CIR stuff going on here, likely some problems with English as a Second Language, but I don't see anything that leads me to believe they are acting in bad faith. Not every trainwreck is deliberate... --Jayron32 18:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for help with Cochise County

Unfortunately, the editor in question enjoys "making things up" (I'm being far too polite there). His/her claim "According to www.cochise.az.gov no films and television films shot in Cochise county" is false, as also a previous claim "Imdb states that no film or tv series were filmed in Cochise county". With regard to the latter, IMDB lists 10 locations for the The Sheriff of Cochise TV series, all of which are in Cochise County. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0159207/locations

I understand that IMDB has been declared an unreliable source; be that as it may, the point is the editor's false representations. (And other sources confirm the location, such as https://www.myheraldreview.com/news/cochise_county/when-the-sheriff-of-cochise-ruled-the-land-and-tv/article_f3487fe8-35e1-11ed-adca-d3bb48315c05.html .)

The editor was left "If you continue to disrupt Misplaced Pages..." messages on the talk page User talk:Daniu99 in late November '22 regarding similar behavior, all apparently to little or no avail then, and nothing seems to have come of the warnings. The disruptions have now started again, repeatedly, in the Cochise County article. As an administrator, could you please help to cool this person's jets? His/her dishonest disruptions serve only to waste the time of more responsible editors. TIA for any help. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 18:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

The editor in question has not, since I made the fix, done any further editing to the Cochise County article. If they continue to be disruptive, WP:ANI may be the place to go. I don't generally respond to personal requests to use my administrator tools on my user talk page, I prefer to keep such requests in a public forum like ANI where they can be scrutinized. --Jayron32 18:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
I've tweaked the text to "filmed on location in Cochise County". If s/he continues disrupting for no justified reason, I'll go the ANI route. As you see on the editor's contribs page, the issue is by no means just this instance. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 19:52, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Recusal?

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On the 1st you wrote "Perhaps I would have had more to say about the matter had it just come here first, but given the prior inappropriate attempt to cherry pick me as an admin to respond, I am recusing myself from any further involvement." but the editing history which follows is curious because instead of recusing yourself you become extremely involved... We have on the 2nd, on the 8th, and on the 9th. Seems like you need to do some striking, either of the recusal or of all of the comments violating that recusal. I hope you appreciate me bringing this to you privately instead of making it a big deal at ANI. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe I had any further comments on BeanieFan11's behavior, or on sanctioning him, I don't believe. They are all about issues related to AFD and the NSPORTS policy discussion. As far as I am aware, I made no further comments on sanctioning BeanieFan11 as I said wouldn't. I have a standing policy not to use my admin tools when anyone requests me directly to do so here on my talk page, and I have not done so. If you have evidence that I have used my admin tools inappropriately, then by all means, provide diffs for that. The diffs above show me commenting on a policy discussion. --Jayron32 16:43, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Are you under the impression that recusing yourself from a discussion means not using your admin tools? Thats not recusal, that's expected of all involved admins automatically. Your statement makes it very clear that what you're recusing yourself from is further involvement and the discussion. If you're not going to do that then strike the false recusal. You do also explicitly comment on sanctions. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict)x2 Actually, I do see that there was one further comment I made on BeanieFan11's behavior. I have struck that comment. Thank you for pointing that out. My other comments were not related to the matter I recused myself from, however, and I stand by them. They were clearly about a different matter. --Jayron32 16:50, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
You didn't recuse yourself from further comment on BeanieFan11's behavior, you recused yourself from "any further involvement" which literally all of the diffs fall under. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:52, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Also, I was never "involved". At the point where Therapyisgood contacted me above, I had never met either him, nor BeanieFan11, to my knowledge, nor had I ever to my knowledge, been involved in any of the AFD discussions mentioned. (Post EC comment) I think I have explained my understanding of my statements, if you understand them differently than I intended, there's not much I can do about that. If you feel that I am abusing my admin authority, and need to have the tools taken away for that, please start that discussion in the appropriate venue. --Jayron32 16:57, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
You said you were involved, you said "further involvement" which means you were already involved. If you weren't that's ok, but then you told a fib. I don't want your tools taken away, I just want you to be honest. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Look, let me lay out the timeline of events for you. 1) On 05:11, 31 January 2023 (see above) Therapyisgood sent me an email. Without getting into the details, it asked me to intervene on the matter at hand. I had never, at any point, been involved in the AFD discussions, with BeanieFan11, or with Therapyisgood, in any manner at all. Never met them, never saw the AFDs, never been involved in the Wikiproject, none of it. Out of the blue, he sent me an email. I told him to go to ANI instead, because I don't respond to private requests to use my admin tools. The thread was started at ANI. 2) At 16:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC) Bagumba asked at that thread "Was there any attempt to deal with this one-on-one before escalating to a noticeboard?" where I replied explaining that I had directed Therapyisgood to start the thread, and that I had not intended on commenting on the matter further. 3) Someone started a different discussion on a policy matter I thought was interesting and I commented on that thread at 16:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC). I had not, at this point, been involved in any dispute over the policy matter at hand, and I didn't (and don't) consider my backing away from the sanctioning discussion over BeanieFan11's behavior to have prevented me from commenting on a policy discussion. I did not fib, I did not lie. It is true that on Feb 8, I did make a comment on BeanieFan11's behavior, which I have now struck, as you requested. I'm not going to strike comments that had nothing to do with my original statement. If that bothers you, seek relief elsewhere. --Jayron32 17:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
None of that explains why you wrote "further involvement" if in fact that wasn't true and you hadn't been involved. How can it be true that you were already involved and also not involved at all? One of these statements has to be a fib, either Jayron32 who said they were involved is fibbing or Jayron32 who said they weren't involved is fibbing. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:51, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
On the off chance that this is a misunderstanding due to an imperfection in the English language, and I can somehow make a small incremental contribution to peace on Earth: "Involve" has more than one meaning in English, and WP's interpretation adds even one more meaning to those in the dictionary. When Jayron says "further involvement", it's pretty obvious to me that he means "further participation", not "further WP:INVOLVEment". Jayron never said he was WP:INVOLVED in the WP sense of the word (and, looking things over, I would agree he is not WP:INVOLVED in any way). Speaking of meanings of words, "fib" can only ever mean an intentional lie, albeit about something minor. I'd stop using it 3-4 times in a sentence. I'ds stop using it at all. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I also interpreted it to mean "further participation" but I was told that wasn't the case by Jayron32. Nor does it appear accurate as they participated a *ton* after that (hence my challenging their participation and them countering by only striking a single edit which pertained to sanctions and not their participation). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
OK, short for "further participation in decisions about BeanieFan11", then. Anyway, I guess I didn't help, so I'll bow out before I contribute to making this molehill into any more of a mountain. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Isn't the "further" still a problem because the claim is that there was no participation in decisions about BeanieFan11 prior to that? Anyways I'm dropping the stick, I hope that Jayron32 will understand that going forward that their statement was most obviously interpreted as a pledge to recuse themselves from "further involvement" and not as whatever incredibly nuanced thing they apparently meant by it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
(edit conflict) As I noted, my meaning was further participation in the sanctioning discussion. The discussion over policy was unrelated, in my mind, to the initial discussion. Also, since you really seem hung up on "further", I meant "subsequent to this comment" not "I've been dealing with this previously". Also also, have we beaten this dead horse enough? Either you think I'm a lying liar who lies, or we're having an inconsequential misunderstanding over a difference regarding some minor word choices. If it's the former, fine, whatever, I'm not going to convince you I'm not. You believe whatever you want to believe, I can't convince you out of something like that. Continue to believe it if you want. If it's the latter, I'm pretty sure I've adequately explained what I had meant at this point; further elaboration is unlikely to put any more light on my initial intent. Either way, can we let this matter go, at least in terms of my user talk page. If you need any more action done on this matter, take it to ANI or ArbCom or something like that. I have no intention of doing anything further discussion here. Please let it drop or escalate it elsewhere. --Jayron32 18:25, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I don't think you're going to find widespread support for the idea that a subtopic is unrelated to its topic. Keep that in mind going forward. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:29, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
I have no intention of doing anything further discussion here. Please let it drop or escalate it elsewhere. --Jayron32 18:30, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
That was my final reply, hence its finality. Congrats, you've forced me to post on your talk page again? Have a nice evening. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

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Ref. Desk

Why do you put yourself through elaborate self-humiliation rituals when you give a wrong answer on one of the Reference desks?? It really does not gratify my feelings in any way when you do this in response to a mere factual error (it might if it was in response to something personally involving me, but the only such incident was the Chinese cuisine authenticity thread, and you did not abase yourself in that case, as far as I remember). If the elaborateness of the grovelling is disproportionate to the severity of the error, it may give rise to suspicions of insincerity, in which case you're undermining your own apology... AnonMoos (talk) 17:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Look, I'm sorry I gave the wrong information. I really am. I was mistaken, I struck through my incorrect information, and I apologized for being wrong. What further action do you require me to take? --Jayron32 17:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
I was not alleging any inadequacy of apology, but exactly the reverse. In many cases a mere acknowledgement of error would be enough, so I really don't see the need or the purpose of grovelling self-abasement. I would be perfectly happy for you to leave the excess drama out when I was the one who pointed out the error... AnonMoos (talk) 17:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
Look, all I can say is that most people realize I'm an asshole within seconds of meeting me; I'm honestly shocked when it takes someone as long as you have to come to that conclusion. --Jayron32 18:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
I only know you via your work on WP, but I find you to be an extremely helpful and knowledgeable person who's been more than patient with my own dumbnitude. I don't think there's a single regular respondent on the desks who hasn't been caught making a mistake from time to time. My impression is that most people just issue a mea culpa (if that) and move on. Before I got used to them, I thought your apologies were facetious or sarcastic because of their extreme tone. My concern now is more along the lines of your well-being; it's distressing to think how badly you must beat yourself up over real-life blunders. Please treat yourself with care; you deserve it. Matt Deres (talk) 18:40, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments on the Richard Belzer ITN nom

To make my intent clear to you, I'm only describing your comments as unproductive because Andrew has spent literally years ignoring countless almost identical comments and not only should know better, but does know better. He isn't going to change and so I think it's best to shut him off before he can waste the energy of too many others. I'm actually not far off proposing topic banning him from ITN all together tbh. Thryduulf (talk) 03:37, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't think that is a bad idea. --Jayron32 18:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Muller's video, thank you for posting it.

Hi. Thank you for all your contributions.:-) It's been awhile since I read about Muller's sources. Muller's video was most certainly relevant to the OP's query. Thank you for posting it. In the 80s, I would often hang-out in the NCSU library bookstacks researching the physics' literature and I'm an hour's drive away now. I continue modeling and will likely deposit a paper on Zenodo this spring. Again, thank you for all your contributions. Modocc (talk) 18:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Bans

Here's a hypothetical: Supposing I have an interaction ban with a user, and that user subsequently retires. How, if at all, does that change the terms of the ban? Does it mean I can never work on subjects that user worked on, even though that user would no longer be working on those subjects? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 12:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Not sure. I find that, 95% of the time, retirements are extremely temporary, though, so keep that in mind. I think, in general, if you have questions about the extent of a ban, asking the admin who notified you of the ban is a good place to start, though, if you have more specific questions. --Jayron32 12:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
That's a good point. I'll give it some time. There's no rush. Thank you for your advice. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Your recent update to Count Rumford entry

While your update to the article is accurate, your "reason summary" is in accurate. A typo of course, but in 1853, very definitely did both American and British identities exist. I'm sure you meant to put 1753, the year of Rumford's birth. JackME (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I meant that. It was an anachronism in 1753; American nationality did not exist. --Jayron32 18:15, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Hey there, not a big deal and nothing about the correction you made to the actual article, but I think you misunderstood my comment to you. You have given as summary explanation for your changes that the American identity did not exist in EIGHTEEN FIFTY THREE. When I'm sure you meant to type SEVENTEEN FIFTY THREE (the year of Rumford's birth) because by 1853, most definitely an American identity DID EXIST. JackME (talk) 18:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Yes, I meant to say 1753. I screwed up when I typed 1853 in the edit summary bar. I though I just said that. Why are you yelling at me for confirming both that a) I was wrong and b) you were correct to say that I was wrong. How many more times do you need me to tell you that I was wrong when I wrote 1853. Do you want to try yelling at me louder, so I can confirm a third time that I was wrong. Would that make you happy? --Jayron32 18:28, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Take the stick out of your ass! The uppercase was NOT yelling, but for clearly emphasizing the difference. Sorry I misunderstood your first response. JackME (talk) 19:24, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
You're right. I was an asshole. I'm sorry I responded the way I did, I have no excuse. You did nothing wrong in correcting me. You're right, and I'm wrong. I continue to be the biggest asshole at Misplaced Pages. I'm not sure what else to do about that, other than offer my sincere apology for letting it out against you; you did nothing to deserve that. --Jayron32 19:33, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

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Wjemather has been unnecessarily undoing good edits from editors (myself and others ) for three years now. Editors have tried reasoning with that person over time, but that person does not want to listen. Several people in private chats have expressed their frustration with that person, simply because they don't know where else to turn to talk of their frustration.

That person's behaviour has not only been unproked, unneeded undoings of valid edits that no one else has ever had a problem with, but hypocritical also; the list is long of the times that that person would spitefully undo the very same type of edits that they themself have done before, throwing logic out the window. In other words, it's okay for themself, but not for others.

One other behaviour that makes that person unreasonable is making things up on the spot: An editor will do a good edit in the traditional way, but then this person in question will undo the edit with the excuse (paraphrasing), "Just because this is the traditional way is not an excuse to keep doing it that way.".

Trying to reason with that person has failed for years with many who have tried.

I've been editing on Misplaced Pages since 2007 and had never had any real problems from an editor until that one. I've been doing the same type of edits in the same way since the beginning, and in early 2020 that person came along and decided to be the first to take their own personal feelings and force feed them onto the Misplaced Pages community with uncalled for retractions that no one else had ever had a problem with. Nitpicking at every single turn, unJusifiably.

Most of that person's edits are undoings,, not additions, meaning the main purpose that person has had over the last three years has been to unneededly undo other people's edits, even when having to make up a reason to do so.

Simply to spite me, that person went and undid a good edit of mine on a page concerning a topic that they no absolutely nothing about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2022_State_of_the_Union_Address&type=revision&diff=1063538815&oldid=1063093800

Also last year, that person went back on a previously agreed upon standard for preparing the WGC MATCH Play page, one in which that person had willingly agreed to the year before:

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=2022_WGC-Dell_Technologies_Match_Play&diff=1079435859&oldid=1079434098

It gets worse, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't; If you do an edit one particular way, that person undoes it and criticizes you, but then if you do the edit the opposite way, that person still undoes it and criticizes you.

I would have to go and do weeks' worth of finding and citing all the examples of that person's gross, uncalled for undoings. For now, I will show a few recent examples of the kinds of edits that no one else ever had a a problem with, but this person is hell bent on interfering with anyway:

Undoing a perfectly good preparation that is done each week on the PGA Tour, for no reason ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Masters_Tournament&type=revision&diff=1141795948&oldid=1141795855

Undoing more preparation that is done as a normal thing in Misplaced Pages, for no reason ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template%3AThe_Masters_champions&type=revision&diff=1141796145&oldid=1141796054

And those are only two examples of a half a dozen interference type of undoings in the last 24 hours. It takes time and trouble to go and post these here, so I'll stop there for now.

Other times, that person will try to get a page deleted, because in their OPINION the page was made "too early", something of which no one else has ever been known to complain about in recent years. There are links to show proof of this.

After three years of constant interference of spiteful, uncalled for undoings, we will not tolerate it any longer. I have been on here for sixteen years without serious trouble for 13 of them. Over the last three years, this constant hypocritical and unneeded interference won't be tolerated. Even the simple act of letting that person know, they lash back as if you are wronging them in some way, playing the victim.

Since no one has been able to get through to them because of their unreasonableness, we hope maybe you could have a chat with them to see if you can get through. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:54, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Johnsmith2116: Sorry, I have a personal policy against responding to private requests to act in an administrative capacity here at my user talk page. If you need administrator intervention for a behavioral issue with another user, the correct place to do so is at WP:ANI. --Jayron32 20:41, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Srebrenica massacre

What needs to happen before I be allowed to edit that aricle again? Also while I am banned from editing the article, does my opinion still count with regards wider discussion? --Coldtrack (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

The reason I ask the above is because I still have access to the talk page. --Coldtrack (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

If I were you, I'd let that matter go for a while. Try editing in other areas of Misplaced Pages. --Jayron32 09:35, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

JRRobinson

Greetings. Was kind of curious as to why this discussion Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1121#Problematic editor, darts articles was not acted upon? They are still continuing their problematic behavior. Onel5969 11:51, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

It was not acted upon because it was archived before anyone acted upon it. If the issues have not been resolved, start a new thread at WP:ANI with a pointer to the prior discussion, noting that the behavioral issues have not improved. --Jayron32 18:56, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Album credits are their own source

Regarding your "In the News" nomination of David Lindley (musician), you said the article is 90% ready, needing just a few things including sourcing for the discography. I thought I might mention that album liner notes and record sleeve credits are akin to books: they have a publishing date, identifying number and a publisher (the record label). Basically, they are their own reliable sources. I threw some book credits in the discography as a convenience, kind of like having two cites for important facts. But the "uncited" entries are explicitly naming their source when they name an album title. Binksternet (talk) 03:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

I generally agree with you, but anticipate nearly everyone else who will say we need to cite every entry to some third party source. I have always been fine with not requiring every item in a -ography being cited, as one generally assumes the citation is to the work itself, but alas, some people flip their lids unless they see a footnote in every section, common sense be damned. --Jayron32 18:55, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Georgina Beyer

On 9 March 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Georgina Beyer, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 02:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Rick Beato

I restored the reference to his recent Keith Jarrett video, but added cited material affirming this particular video is singularly notable in Beato's output and not in fact "a video I watched that I liked" as per your edit summary, though I understand it may have appeared that way without the extra context. Hope there might be some consensus around this. Walton22 (talk) 22:51, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. --Jayron32 17:04, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. Also thanks for chronologising. I thought to break the chronology to delineate the take-down notices and copyright claims as an implied new subtopic, but your take is appreciated. Walton22 (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Evackost

is at UTRS. OK to leave blocked, but vanish? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:06, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

IMHO, yes, leave them blocked, but help them with the Vanish procedure would probably be best. Whatever needs to be done to complete the WP:RTV request would be great. --Jayron32 16:14, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. I just need to make an explanatory note and click some buttons. (Vanishing is not really possible. We delude ourselves, but it always leaves traces.) -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:08, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Of course; talk page signatures and stuff like that. But if we can do the standard "rename the account and lock everything down" that we usually do, that'd be fine. Thanks again! --Jayron32 17:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
User asked at the global renaming queue four times, was denied, and was blocked by the Stewards. So it was an end-run that failed. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
If they had come to me first, I could have helped them. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 17:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hubris67

I left a comment over at User talk:Hubris67 about a block you made, get this, almost 15 years ago. Looking for your thoughts on a possible unblock. -- Yamla (talk) 13:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries

All's good. :) Valereee (talk) 15:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

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OTD

Given the amount of work that went into this discussion – 900 words from 11 users – it might have been appropriate to leave it for a while for others interested in the topic. History is complex.– Sca (talk) 14:54, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

"Given the amount of work that went into time that was wasted on this discussion – 900 words from 11 users – it might have been appropriate to leave it for a while for others interested in the topic actually have deleted it a long time ago, because it was a complete embarrassment to everyone involved. It looks like you had a few typos in your comment. I fixed them for you. --Jayron32 15:05, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Bludgeoning

Please allow me to return the favor of directing your attention to some good practices: Misplaced Pages:Don't_bludgeon_the_process#Dealing_with_bludgeoning_the_process

I really did learn something - thanks! Shoreranger (talk) 15:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Cool story, bro. --Jayron32 15:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Procedural notification

Hi, I and others have proposed additional options at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_on_a_procedural_community_desysop. You may wish to review your position in that RfC. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:14, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for your strong defence of how important AGF is. Your eloquence and sharp writing on this topic is greatly appreciated and a delight to read. I'm glad someone can describe my thoughts on the proposed canvass changes better than I can. Hope you enjoy your weekend and catch plenty of spring sun.

— Ixtal ⁂ Non nobis solum. 01:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly! --Jayron32 11:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Workshopping the god-awful ITN significance standard

Hi Jayron32,

Let's put aside our cynicism for a moment: I have been working on creating a new path to assessing significance at ITN using a criteria that isn't so subjective. This is a long post, so I am going to hat it for your sake.

Purpose
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The Misplaced Pages:In the news significance criteria currently states that the following principles are useful for assessing consensus:

  • The length and depth of coverage itself
  • The number of unique articles about the topic
  • The frequency of updates about the topic
  • The types of news sources reporting the story

In my opinion, these principles would be excellent in determining whether a story is worth posting. However, in practice, we rarely see consistent adherence to these principles leading to the unfortunate outcome that consensus is usually based on a head count. Indeed, the threshold for "length and depth of coverage" could be narrow for some users (like myself) and wide for others. It's clear that demolishing the significance standard outright would not be workable either, for it risks creating the perception that WP:ITN is a news ticker. Yet at the same time, the current standard is contentious and the divides between users are deep and in some cases irreconcilable.

This thread seeks to workshop the idea of what a less contentious, less subjective criterion would look like. There is no point in attempting to prescribe a change to our procedures or guidelines as to what kind of items we should be posting to ITN, because there would never be any consensus to achieve this. Instead, the goal should be to find a common ground on rewording the current standard so as to reorient users towards a less adversarial approach to ITN/C.

Background
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Let’s look at the things that presumed notable items do have in common, and those things that presumed non-notable items have in common. Note that all of these would have reliable source coverage:

  • Examples of notable items: National elections, national or international sporting events with large viewership, disasters that affect lots of people, first rocket launches for a nation, wars, assassinations of a major political figure.
  • Examples of non-notable items: Celebrity gossip, subnational elections, political intrigue, athletic records.
  • Examples of grey area items: Lawsuits between two major companies, business mergers, major archeological or scientific discoveries, United Nations directives, moderate disasters in areas that are known for disasters.

By categorizing these items, we can see the following commonalities:

  • Notable items impact large amounts of people on a wide scale, whether it’s the population of a country or the whole world. They do not necessarily have to be injured or killed in order for this to happen, nor does there necessarily need to be international crossover, but it is an item that grabs public attention and may impact daily life in a significant way for those concerned
  • Non-notable items are usually ignored because they don’t affect as many people. Or if they do affect people, the impact is not very tangible and at times the news coverage outsizes the actual notability.
  • The grey area items fall somewhere in the middle, in that they affect a lot of people, but the actual degree of the impact is difficult to pinpoint for those outside of that sphere. This is the area that causes the most contention at ITN.
Proposed standard
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Therefore, it seems that rather than a significance standard, we should be assessing based on an impact standard. This would not change how we operate at ITN/C, as the assessment method is still the same. However, the focus would change to determining the degree and scale as to how people are impacted. We can measure this by assessing the news coverage and answering the following questions:

  • Depth: How much news coverage is this item receiving?
  • Impact: How does the story define the impact on people in the region affected, if there is any?
  • Ramifications: For the news category this story is posted under (politics, art, science, sports, etc.), what sort of ramifications are there?

Functionally, the types of items that are being posted to ITN would not change, as we are still assessing the significance of the stories, but we now have a clear standard in which we can review items as opposed to the waves of voting that essentially boil down to “it doesn’t affect me, so it must not be important.” In making the criteria more specific and objective, we would no longer apply a blanket, abstract “significance standard”. Instead, we qualitatively assess based on the above criteria, by actually reviewing the news coverage and exploring the details within it. From there, we can reach a consensus around whether these criteria have been satisfied rather than based on a head count.

The other advantage to this is that as we continue to use this system, the global consensus on ITN around what items are posted becomes clearer and more definable, which will help other users who might not understand what is required in order for a newsworthy item to actually be posted. Furthermore, we can document the changes over time as consensus changes.

I know you and I have talked before, and you have explained that we already have standards in place for which we should assess something objectively. But I do believe that establishing clarity on significance would create a path to which those standards you speak of can actually be employed and thus enforced.

If you think this is worth trying, I can post it to WT:ITN and get people's input on it. It might be a better idea than just doing away with significance criteria entirely. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:46, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I think you're going to face an up-hill battle, because people who's purpose is to be cultural gatekeepers will fight vehemently to that role they have created for themselves. I support these efforts, and have no problem with you writing up a proposal of this type. I only hope there's enough consensus to grant some clarity here. --Jayron32 11:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Thanks for all your good work Andre🚐 18:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Thank you! I try! --Jayron32 18:44, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I actually think youre a very fine admin, and very far from the worst. Thanks for re-opening the RFC, nableezy - 14:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for saying so. If that were true, I wouldn't keep screwing things like this up, however. --Jayron32 15:01, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Making a mistake (and it wasnt even really that) isnt a sign of a poor admin, refusing to fix it is. nableezy - 15:20, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

RE: UTRS

Hey. Thanks for your thoughtful closing note. That said, my understanding is that WP:UTRS is for when a blocked user's talk page has been revoked (i.e. {{uw-tparevoked}}). Which is to say, its intended use being to convince UTRS admins—or rather, admin ;)—that talk page access can be restored for the purposes of posting a normal unblock request. El_C 17:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll adjust. --Jayron32 17:59, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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General Question / Curiosity

Hi there, Jayron. Seeing how you have taken some interest in the current RM over at National League I figured I would pose a question to you, being an administrator. I'm curious to know where the line of WP:Canvassing is. There were a few posts that made me raise an eyebrow.

I will say that I made a similar post over on WP:Baseball, but it's the language of the other posts that made me most interested as to where the line was between notification to interested parties and canvasing with the intention of influencing an outcome. Given the current state of the discussion on the RM, I figured this would be worth questioning.

Please don't take this inquiry as anything other than a general curiosity. I actually !voted in favor of the RM and I think it's a good idea, so I'm certainly not attempting to influence in the other direction. Thanks, Skipple ☎ 00:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that the wording of those notices could be taken as non-neutral. They should really only be worded as "There's a discussion you may be interested in" and that's about it. --Jayron32 09:17, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
This is helpful: Misplaced Pages:Canvassing#Inappropriate_notification. Ocaasi 14:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Criticism of content, not the contributor

Jayron32, in order to not keep the discussion at Talk:United States#US territorial evolution animation on topic, I respond to your accusation here. Again, I'm sorry that you felt personally attacked, but according to WP:What is considered to be a personal attack?, I still disagree with your accusation that my explicit criticism of the proposed exclusion of mention of Native American removal and assimilation from the caption about US territorial expansion as conforming with narratives of denial, constitutes an attack against you personally. I clearly commented on the content, not on the contributor.

I know you're my colleague and not my enemy, and that's why I want to clear up this misunderstanding. إيان (talk) 15:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

We're cool. Apology accepted; though be careful of ascribing motive where you don't know it. Carefully choosing your phrasing doesn't change the nature of the attack; and the issue wasn't that you called me a name, it's that you accused me of engaging in an action (denialism) that I was not. Playing games with the words doesn't change how the commentary lands. If you want to say it wasn't a personal attack, fine. But it was rude, incivil, and a clear violation of WP:AGF to say that I was engaging in things I had not done. Still, I don't want to belabor this anymore than it has, your apology is accepted, no hard feelings, I am aware that we both are trying to improve the article in question. Carry on. --Jayron32 16:07, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Request to have a look at my ANI request

Hello. I have chose you randomly to ask you to have a look at my ANI request made days ago: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Arkenstrone: baseless accusations. Veverve (talk) 19:10, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Then you have disqualified me from commenting. I have a personal policy that I don't respond to personal requests to administrate. You'll have to wait for someone else. --Jayron32 11:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
(WP:TPW comment) - I have to say, that is a rather interesting self-policy. I tend to try to be a nice person and often will at least go look if someone leaves a note on my talk page. But the more I think about your policy, the more I like it. : ) - jc37 15:16, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I'll be helpful all the time if it doesn't involve my role as an admin. Like, if you say "Hey, I wrote this bit here, can you read it over and clean it up a bit" or "Hey, I'm trying to find sources on this, but am running into some trouble, can you help a but", I will almost always pitch in. There's something kinda dirty about hand-selecting the judge-jury-and-executioner you want to deal with your enemies, however, and I'll have no part of that. --Jayron32 15:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I understand. And I think it's a fair position on WP:INVOLVED. The more I think about it, the more it grows on me. That said, myself, I think I'll still wobble towards helping. But you've really given me some food for thought. - jc37 15:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I chose you randomly... Veverve (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
And yet, I'm still not going to act on your request. Vaya con dios. --Jayron32 15:50, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Ren (British musician)

Thank you for removing the Notability template. I was almost through checking that all the citations were in order when half of the article was removed and some of the citations we had just timestamped. Kiwatts (talk) 02:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I can't put citations for the remaining items that need them without it essentially being a revert. They deleted the birth registry citation, the the YouTube community page citation where Ren writes the month and day of his birth, all of the Justin Hawkins YouTube Interview timestamped citations from the Early life section. I was under the impression they were okay. was I wrong? Kiwatts (talk) 08:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
I agree with the discography change. Kiwatts (talk) 09:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
I moved these comments to the talk page Kiwatts (talk) 09:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
After I reworked the Trick the Fox section based on the Justin Hawkins Interview you added I started working on adding all the timestamps to the citations and making sure the rest of the article was properly cited. I had done a large percentage of it and had to take a break.
23:20 12 May 2023 is when Drmies started editing and removing several areas. Including the YouTube timestamped references along with secondary references and information from the infobox. You can see the comments made.
You will need to select to view the last 100 edits
I agree with what was done to the Discography.
Mackey79 and I were already talking about it in the Discography section @ 19:36, 12 May 2023
I wasn't sure exactly what to do about the youtube citations being removed or what I needed to do differently about sourcing The Big Push section they completely removed saying there were no secondary sources for the claims. I had two sources at the end. That is when I made that post to you. That is also why I asked if there was a tutorial on citation placement.
I waited a bit but decided to work on it by myself and added additional sources, removed a line, and added another. I added info back to the infobox with citations. and recited the removed YouTube citations with this in the edit box.  Citation from Justin Howkins' Interview with Ren. This is information Ren would be reasonably expected to know)
21:54, 14 May 2023‎ Drmies started editing again.
you can see the comments (and why I said what I did about the instruments he plays and occupations)
I used a different secondary source because the one I used prior to that didn't state all of the things he was questioning and the new source did.
Then Drmies posted on my profiles talk section. You can look rather than me going into detail. I
I wanted to answer here instead of the Ren talk page so it didn't make things worse and have the talk page be something it shouldn't.
Sorry if you were blindsided. I don't think Drmies is reading the talk page anyway. I'm up early today because my nurse came early. They had an appointment. Kiwatts (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
So I don't have a lot of insight into specifically why Drmies did what they did, so you'll need to ask them directly, but all I can say is that having a source (like the Hawkins interview) is a necessary condition to add something, but it is not sufficient. Just because something has a source doesn't mean that it fits in the article (it could be irrelevant or trivial or inaccurate or badly written or any number of other issues that are too many to all list here) and just having a source doesn't prevent something from being removed for an issue that is unrelated to verifiability. If you want specific reasons why Drmies removed some specific text, however, you'll need to ask them. --Jayron32 18:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm not asking for you to get involved just letting you know what is going on. I'm obviously not cut out for this. Thank you Kiwatts (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Vyyyrhastar:

We need a in addition to , for things like DMacks (talk) 03:43, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey

Jayron32, This is a new editor and this IP address is shared by hundreds of people, what is with that long list of names and dates on the method of loci article? Should not it be turned into a clickable link216.168.139.240 (talk)anany 216.168.139.240 (talk) 15:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Possibly, but the names serve a purpose. The names are a citation showing which sources one can find the original information in. When you remove those sources (no matter how they are formatted), that makes it impossible for anyone to know what the sources were. Also, replacing those sources with personal commentary is not useful. --Jayron32 15:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I understand now. I apologize for the trouble I have caused, I will make sure to remember this in the future. Thank you. 216.168.139.240 (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Hello, I am a recent changes patroller. There is a link but the url rotted; I have redirected note 2 to the correct content.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 16:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I apologize. I hope we're good.

I wholeheartedly apologize for making it come off as if I was accusing you of anything or for anything I said where it came off as if I was putting words in your mouth or anything. Was never my intention~ I'm just generally annoyed by the amount of controversy lately that these version history articles have created, generally by the same general group of editors who would much rather have articles deleted rather than improved, where in most cases, Misplaced Pages policy recommends deletion only as a last resort, if articles can't be improved to no longer violate policy. I also just generally disagree with the ways in which WP:CHANGELOG have been interpreted, mainly to use a very loose definition of what exhaustive means, but that's why i originally created the proposal. I just generally don't understand why tables create so much controversy but thats a debate I don't want to have on your talk page. I just wanted to genuinely say that I'm sorry. :( I am very argumentative due to brain chemistry stuff, and sometimes it makes me argue irrationally. I try to control it but it's just really hard, sadly. But yeah I genuinely do hope that we're okay. - Evelyn Marie (leave a message · contributions) 17:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, we're fine. I recognize the investment you've made in this topic, and I want to make clear I'm not disagreeing with you on most points just to be antagonistic. I generally find myself in the middle ground on this matter; I think Misplaced Pages covering the history of important software is fine, but I also think that the content of these articles goes too far into the weeds, and could stand for better narrative flow. I think the entire area could stand for a wider amount of voices (which I was trying to provide) and that the same people on both sides could stand to let it rest for a bit.--Jayron32 17:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

St. Louis, Missouri - Union or Confedrate?

In the Little House on the Prairie season 4 episode The Inheritance, a lawyer from St Louis had a box containing Confederate money. https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#St._Louis,_Missouri_-_Union_or_Confedrate? 86.130.77.121 (talk) 21:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

I have no interest carrying on ref desk threads on my user talk page. --Jayron32 16:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

A small, humble request

Hello Jayron32. About 6 million years ago, I spent hours upon untold, unending hours arguing my head off in a fever swamp discussion about whether or not every single school in the US should have its own Misplaced Pages article. That permanently warped my brain. I can't read those fever swamp threads anymore. My soul is sucked into a negative vortex and the universe collapses into a mote in a used car salesman's eye. So just now I posted on that d*mn Fox News thread, but I have no idea where my post should have gone.... you seem to know what's going on... as a tiny favor... pretty please... could you refactor it for me? Thanks. § Lingzhi (talk|check refs) 12:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done --Jayron32 16:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Notices

I have a question for you. Is there any reason why when it is posted on someone’s talk page about a notice (i.e. AnI and the such) that it doesn’t link to the actual conversation so that users do not need to scroll through all of the discussions to find the one they are listed at? I’ve noticed the topic does not always include the user name. I’ve noticed this at other boards as well. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:D41E:2828:7AA7:A58D (talk) 16:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

{{ANI-notice}} does contain fields to link to the exact topic name on ANI. Sometimes, people don't fill it in. The reason is behavioral, and not technical, and there's nothing we can really do about it, we can't force people to fill in that field of the template, or to link to the correct conversation if they choose to post a notice by manually typing it out. Simply put, people can do it, people should do it, but we really have no way to make people do it. --Jayron32 17:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea

Remove your ban of discussion about this or I will report you to the site moderators and have them remove your ban. I do not need your permission to defend Jacobin and Misplaced Pages is not censored. Chances last a finite time (talk) 12:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I would strongly advise you to not report anyone (read WP:BOOMERANG), and wp:cir. Slatersteven (talk) 12:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
How dare you insult me by calling me incompetent? Chances last a finite time (talk) 13:03, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I am warning you why a report is a bad idea when someone displays as much WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT as you are (pointed out by a number of users, not just me). The RFC was closed as it asked for a ruling on a point no one but you made. Slatersteven (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion

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Closure

What an excellent summation of the facts you made at that closure for Jack. Very nicely written and a great conclusion. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! --Jayron32 14:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
I'd like to second MaxnaCarta. That was a very difficult discussion to read, with many different factors and opposing/overlapping arguments, and your close was very well written with a good explanation. Thank you for your work! JML1148 (talk | contribs) 01:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Enjoy your time off!

As it says on the tin. DMacks (talk) 21:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Minor shenanigans by the archive bot

Greetings! Spotted something funny: you hatted two discussions at VPP; then one was archived on May 29 without the hat, then the other was archived on May 31 with the hat, but the bot placed the hat above the wrong discussion. Seems like the bot doesn't keep hats intact when they span multiple discussions. (This confused both me and the good ActivelyDisinterested; I've now fixed it).

I'll report it to the bot operator in case there's a way to fix it. And by the way, enjoy your holidays! DFlhb (talk) 07:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Bot operator is inactive so I've notified Misplaced Pages:Bot request instead. Best, DFlhb (talk) 07:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

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You're back early.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:08, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm like a ninja. You never know when I'll appear. --Jayron32 12:12, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

ref desk

I've had enough sealioning for one day. --Jayron32 11:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The Reference Desk is for "Ask research questions about any topic except Misplaced Pages itself", and I came here about Misplaced Pages's strong attachment to mainstream corporate media. Tetrasgetras (talk) 17:52, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Cool story bro. --Jayron32 17:53, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I was only there because Misplaced Pages is only attached to mainstream media, and not any other alternative resources whatsoever. Tetrasgetras (talk) 17:56, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is not attached to "mainstream media" (which, as an intelligent person, you clearly already know is a dog whistle announcing your own political feelings). Misplaced Pages is attached to reliable sources. --Jayron32 17:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
"Misplaced Pages is not attached to "mainstream media" Seems pretty self-contradicting since you always use commercially-controlled media as sources, which even if you say its a 'reliable source', they're allowed to lie legally. Tetrasgetras (talk) 18:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Cool story, bro. --Jayron32 18:05, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Could you actually respond instead of that? Tetrasgetras (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
I think that fully captures my feelings, and does not need to be further elaborated. --Jayron32 18:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
Welp, I guess you cant argue even in the slightest of logic. Tetrasgetras (talk) 18:26, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Other British monarch requested move discussions currently taking place

Since you recently participated in the Charles III requested move discussion, I thought you might like to know that there are two other discussions currently going on about other British monarch article titles here and here. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:28, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

WP:REFUND

Welcome (back?) to WP:REFUND. You may find using the RFUD-helper tool to be helpful. Cheers! - UtherSRG (talk) 16:53, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

You kids and your fancy tools. I'm good typing things in by hand. <old man yells at cloud> --Jayron32 17:26, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
I recommend using RFUD-helper. You restored Draft:Archie Drake but didn't make a minor edit to the page so it was tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G13 again. You have to make an edit to the page after restoration or it becomes immediately eligible for deletion again. So, I untagged it and doing this made an edit to the draft. But if you use the helper tool, it will take care of that step for you. Liz 04:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting my mistake! Besides being old, I'm also incorrigibly incompetent. It's always good to have someone around who isn't. --Jayron32 11:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

The Civility Barnstar
This is something which needs to be said, and you said it well. jp×g 22:32, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Thank you, kind sir! --Jayron32 10:45, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Generative AI and Misplaced Pages research

Hi Jayron32,

My name is Dr. Tim Koskie and I am a researcher at the Centre for Media Transition (CMT) at the University of Technology Sydney (UTS). We are conducting a study on the implications of content-generating AI systems such as ChatGPT for knowledge integrity on Misplaced Pages, and are approaching you because you have participated in discussions on this topic on Wikimedia pages.

If you are interested, we would like to invite you to participate in our study. It would involve joining either a focus group discussion or an interview (around 1 hour), in person at Wikimania in Singapore if you are going to be there, or online at a future date. At these sessions we would ask you questions about how you think generative AI will impact Misplaced Pages, as well as about the kinds of work you do on Misplaced Pages.

The project is funded by the Wikimedia Research Fund grant programme. You can find out more about the project here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/Research:Implications_of_ChatGPT_for_knowledge_integrity_on_Wikipedia If you are interested, let me know and I will forward you some more detailed information on the project. Tbkoskie (talk) 04:11, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not really interested. Good luck with your study though! --Jayron32 11:31, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, and we appreciate your contributions to the larger discussions. Tbkoskie (talk) 23:58, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

That is not entirely true

Hi, you once told me Reporting the results of such demographic data (religious affiliation) from censuses is entirely uncontroversial as far as I can tell. Let me tell you that is not entirely true. For instance, in 2008, Nigerian officials removed the religious affiliation question from the census questionnaire in response to violent social protests. The tension was that in this country believed to be nearly equally divided between Muslims and Christians, various constituencies felt that the census results would be biased and would show that one or the other religion predominated. Belson 303 (talk) 16:30, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay. --Jayron32 11:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

The Reference Desk Barnstar
Thank you for answering my dicerolling probability question on the Mathematics Reference Desk! --Aabicus (talk) 06:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

A user mentioned you on ANI

In case you weren't aware, a user mentioned you on ANI. Best --Rockstone 03:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Will monitor in case anyone says anything that needs my response. --Jayron32 11:13, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2023

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talk page access

I wrote up this response regarding the use of one's user talk page when blocked before you received a reply. Based on your subsequent response, I'm guessing my response covers guidance of which you are already aware. On the off-chance that it might be helpful, I'm posting it here, but feel free to ignore it.

Although there are many editors who hold the view that a blocked user should only use their talk page for an appeal, for better or worse, it doesn't have consensus support. At Misplaced Pages:Blocking policy § Standard block options, under "Prevent this user from editing their own talk page while blocked": ...editing of the user's talk page should be disabled only in cases of continued abuse of their user talk page, or when the user has engaged in serious threats, accusations, or attempts at outing that must be prevented from re-occurring. (This user talk page is one I remember in particular, where talk page access was removed but later restored to allow them to continue to make comments much as they had been doing.) It's a bit fuzzier for site-banned editors: Misplaced Pages:Banning policy § Further enforcement measures just states Indefinitely site-banned editors may be restricted from editing their user talk page or using email. Based solely on what I have come across (which is only a very few number of cases) and can recall, admins are typically tolerant of general discussion, but the line between that and disruption is murky. isaacl (talk) 18:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

I thank you for your additional information, but my comments were not made because of a lack of knowledge on my part. They were made because I am an asshole. No amount of additional education will fix that. It's just who I am. Ask around, you'll learn quickly once you get to know me better. --Jayron32 18:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
We're all assholes, sir! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Keep firing! --Jayron32 10:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
I don't have any particular argument with your comment, and even the last sentence regarding the purpose of allowing access isn't contradictory to practice; that is an important purpose. My apologies for covering known territory: I thought you were suggesting that some kind of corrective action take place and so brought up the relevant guidance for reference. ScottishFinnishRadish's analysis, though, addressed the specific situation and thus was more useful. isaacl (talk) 18:53, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry if my tone came across as harsh

After rereading what I said on El_C's talk page, I realized it could be read with far more vitriol than was intended. The tone I was reaching for was exasperated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Understood. I stepped into a situation I had no business being in, given my lack of proper investigation. I got what I deserved. --Jayron32 10:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

The Center Line: Fall 2023

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  • Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

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RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) § RfC on the "Airlines and destinations" tables in airport articles. I saw that you participated in a discussion on a similar topic. Sunnya343 (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

Hi, Jayron32,

I was just thinking about you and noticed that you had recently gone inactive. I hope all is well and that you are just busy with off-Misplaced Pages life. I hope, in good time, you return to the project. Take care, Liz 19:03, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

The same happened to me, and I share Liz's hopes. Peace. ---Sluzzelin talk 00:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
I also just realized that I haven't seen you on the ref desks for a while. I hope all is well with you. --Viennese Waltz 07:16, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Just a note to say that I had a brief exchange with Jayron32 off-wiki. All is well, he has had some difficulties accessing his account but hopes to be back. --Viennese Waltz 14:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing the good news, VW! ---Sluzzelin talk 23:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Do you have time to talk about style in Misplaced Pages articles?

In the hope of finding a fellow Wikipedian who is interested in questions of style in Misplaced Pages articles, I had a look at the revision history of the article about one of my favorite books of all time, Pinker's Sense of Style. Your name stood out for some reason as promising, so I had a look at your talk page, which seemed welcoming. The fact that you have a lot of edits to your name seems to be a plus as well.

If you don't want to talk about this, or with me, I am totally okay with that. But if you do, let's talk.

I am especially interested right now in a rule of thumb for good writing (in English, and probably in most other languages give a choice between using a plural or a singular when make a general statement) that I came up with a few months or possibly a few years ago, and that has informed my editing at Misplaced Pages for at least several months.

Here it is:

Avoid the use of a plural whenever reasonably possible, and thus have greater clarity. I mainly have general statements in mind. Thus one would avoid the first sentence, and write instead the second or third, depending on what precisely your intended meaning was. 1. "When men and women get married they usually produce children." 2. "When a man and a woman get married they usually produce a child." 3. "When a man and a woman get married they usually produce children." Whether or not this is a good rule of thumb, I seem to be the only person to have said anything about this, so maybe I have come up with an original idea. About half a day of my best googlefu turned up nothing relevant. I even looked at every instance of the word "plural", using control F in the entire text of Pinker's awesome Sense of Style, and that of the Chicago Style Manual, and that Strunk and White's The Elements of Style.

I would appreciate it if you would take the time to share your thoughts about this with me. Polar Apposite (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

The fact that you are an administrator did not affect my decision to post on your talk page. I have no idea how it is relevant to that decision, though I expect it is relevant. Polar Apposite (talk) 22:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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  • Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
  • Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
  • Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
  • Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
  • Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
  • An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

Miscellaneous

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Good article reassessment for NFL playoffs

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Barnstar

Misplaced Pages:Article Rescue Squadron. Thanks for your work on drafts! Ikipedia2 (talk) 13:25, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Six years!

Silent Night. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

That's a nice date for a precious anniversary, Gerda, and I hope you all slide well, into the New Year! (yes, I know it has nothing to do with rutschen; I still wish everyone a better 2024 than 2023, and you're missed, Jayron) ---Sluzzelin talk 02:34, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Misplaced Pages globe and sysop mopHappy adminship anniversary!
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Hope you're well

It's been a bit over 5 month since your last edit so I checked your xtools and noticed you've only gone two separate months without editing since 2007. Hope you're doing well and that you're away for all the best reasons! Hey man im josh (talk) 23:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

He's active elsewhere on the internet so he's certainly well. Last time I spoke to him he told me that the reason why he stopped editing Misplaced Pages was that he was having trouble accessing his account, but that was several months ago, so maybe he's stepped away for other reasons. --Viennese Waltz 11:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
I do hope you're right and that that's the case @Viennese Waltz. If so, hopefully he can reach out and get some assistance with regaining access to his account. I know myself and others definitely miss them! Hey man im josh (talk) 11:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
I've been missing Jayron's cheery presence, too, and trust all is well in his world. -- Jack of Oz 19:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Edelman Family Foundation

Hello @Jayron32

I am reaching out to you because of your previous participation in one of the discussions regarding the reliability and neutrality of HuffPost/Pink News/ProPublica as sources used on Misplaced Pages.

Currently, there is an ongoing issue with the Edelman Family Foundation section in the Joseph Edelman Misplaced Pages article. The section appears to be biased and lacks a balanced representation of the foundation's activities, as it primarily focuses on a single controversial donation while neglecting to mention the organization's numerous other significant contributions to various causes.

I would like to invite you to participate in the discussion on the BLP Noticeboard to address the concerns surrounding the section's neutrality and explore ways to improve its content. Llama Tierna (talk) 18:09, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Henry Every

Hi @Jayron32 Are you able to add the attached article that appeared in The Guardian on 31 March 2024 about Henry Avery to Henry Every Misplaced Pages page. The URL is attached: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/30/explorers-unlock-the-mystery-of-pirate-king-henry-avery-who-vanished-after-huge-heist-at-sea Highvoltage113 (talk) 00:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

June 2024

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Thanks, — Kaalakaa 06:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Anachronist case request declined

The Anachronist case request has been declined. For the Arbitration Committee, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Gettysburg Cyclorama

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Hello!

Hi, Jayron32,

I was just noticing that you haven't edited since last September, you are getting close to "inactive" status of 12 months. I'd hate if we lost you as an administrator as I've been looking at some old ANI pages and I really admire the way you closed what seemed like long, drawn out, unwieldy discussions on that noticeboard. We could really use you back if you have the time and inclination.

I understand about taking a WikiBreak, I stopped editing from 2016-2018 when I moved cross-country and had some health issues. I hope your off-wiki life is going well and I look forward to seeing your return should you wish to come back into the trenches. Liz 02:26, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to say the same thing! I've always really enjoyed reading your contributions. Blythwood (talk) 18:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Pending suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity

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Hope you've been well and that you're away for positive reasons Jayron, we miss you! Hey man im josh (talk) 14:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Suspension of administrative permissions due to inactivity

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I hope you are well. There was a time in Wiki when friends used to comment when some long term contributor became inactive. Nobody posted any comments for Jayron. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40e1:c7:bdf0:68f6:d506:7fdd:21f9 (talk) 14:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
What's this and this, then? --Viennese Waltz 19:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Notice of a discussion I think you'd be interested in knowing about

Hey Jay, I thought you might want to be aware of this discussion|this discussion (which includes not just the linked to thread, but a much larger one further above on VP/WMF). In summary, it appears that the WMF is prepared to imminently disclose personally identifying information about volunteers in a controversial Indian court case, where a news agency is attempting to suppress Misplaced Pages's tertiary coverage of the content secondary sources (which it considers unflattering) by going after Misplaced Pages and a number of its individual editors as defendants. In order to comply with court orders in the case, it seems the WMF is prepared to share this information in what a number of us consider a pretty seismically bad idea and betrayal of community priorities and values (the WMF has also already used an office action to remove an article reporting on the case, at the direction of the court for what said court regards as legitimate sub judice reasons).

While the deletion of the article has been framed by the WMF as temporary step to preserve appeal on the overall case, and there are mixed feelings in the community response as to that so far, there is a much more uniform opposition to throwing the individual editors (at least one of whom is located in India and has profound apprehension about what this could mean for his life with regard to litigation and beyond) under the bus. And yet the WMF appears to be prepared to share the information in question, as soon as Nov. 8. Can I impose upon you to take a look at the matter and share your perspective? SnowRise 00:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

RFC Notice

Hello, this notice is for everyone who took part in the 2018 RfC on lists of airline destinations. I have started a new RfC on the subject. If you would like to participate please follow this link: Misplaced Pages talk:What Misplaced Pages is not § RfC on WP:NOT and British Airways destinations. Sunnya343 (talk) 00:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Wishing Jayron32 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 05:51, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
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