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| | author = Omer Benjakob | |||
| | title = Revealed: The Four Articles That Got Misplaced Pages Banned in Turkey | |||
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| | url = https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/revealed-the-four-articles-that-got-wikipedia-banned-in-turkey-1.6032214 | |||
| | date = April 26, 2018 | |||
| | quote = These demands pertained to two specific Misplaced Pages articles: “State-sponsored terrorism” and “Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War.”Both articles have subsections that address Turkey, and both contain claims that Turkey has supported ISIS. | |||
| | accessdate = May 3, 2018 | |||
| | author2 = Stephen Harrison | |||
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| | title2 = Why China Blocked Misplaced Pages in All Languages | |||
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| | url2 = https://slate.com/technology/2019/05/wikipedia-china-block-censorship-tiananmen-square.html | |||
| | date2 = May 21, 2019 | |||
| | quote2 = As Omer Benjakob reported for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Turkish officials reached out to Wikimedia several times in 2017 to request that content be changed in two Misplaced Pages articles: “State-sponsored terrorism” and “Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War.” | |||
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| | accessdate2 = May 23, 2019 | |||
| | author3 = Mark Lowen | |||
| The Palestinians aren't really part of a state (except maybe Israel, but that's streching it). Thus the "Palestinian authority" isn't a state like Afghanistan or the United Kingdom. It should be moved elsewhere.] ] 20:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
| | title3 = Misplaced Pages petitions ECHR over Turkey ban | |||
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| | url3 = https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48386940 | |||
| | date3 = May 23, 2019 | |||
| | quote3 = Ankara complained about the content of two articles: on the Syrian war and on state-sponsored terrorism, demanding they be removed. In meetings with the Turkish authorities, Misplaced Pages bosses explained that articles could be edited - and that removing them contravened values of democratising knowledge. | |||
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| | accessdate3 = May 25, 2019 | |||
| | author4 = Laura Pitel | |||
| I removed the following from the article per my comments above (and because it is completely unsourced).] ] 14:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| | title4 = Misplaced Pages takes Turkey to European human rights court | |||
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| | url4 = https://www.ft.com/content/ff2bf0d0-7d5a-11e9-81d2-f785092ab560 | |||
| | date4 = May 23, 2019 | |||
| | quote4 = According to the Wikimedia executives, the ban followed a demand from the Turkish authorities to remove two articles: one about the Syrian civil war and another about state-sponsored terrorism. | |||
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| | accessdate4 = May 25, 2019 | |||
| | author5 = Stephen Harrison | |||
| <blockquote>The ] has sponsored terrorism against Israel. Yasser Arafat's ] made an alliance with Hamas and Islamic Jihad and it contnued until the civil war, which was really a power struggle. Though, they made a unity government and had some clashes with the Hamas parliment. The Palestinian Authority has encouraged terrorism against Israel to destroy the state of Israel. Some groups that are part of and commanded by the rest of fatah such as ] were established in the ] and committed suicide bombings against Israeli civilians and have fought Israeli soldiers. Arafat, while he was president of the Palestinan Authority, was seen on PA TV publicly encouraging a jihad against Israel. But unlike al-Qaeda wich is commonly considered terrorist many muslims and muslim nations don't see these organisations as terrorist but as legitimate recistance.</blockquote> | |||
| | title5 = Misplaced Pages Has Been Unblocked in Turkey, Finally | |||
| | org5 = ] | |||
| == Weasel List == | |||
| | url5 = https://slate.com/technology/2020/01/wikipedia-ban-turkey-venezuela-china.html | |||
| | date5 = January 29, 2020 | |||
| I belive the purpose of this list is to educate people about state-sponsired terrorism, not to make political statements. The Middle East is obviously home to many examples. On the other hand, the list shouldn't include such fallacies as the UK being indentified by Iran. It should be obvious that Iran uses this to retaliate against Europe and America. Therefore, the nations of France, the UK, and the US should be removed, since they are being accused of these crimes by the terrorist states themselves. What good is our list if we equally punish France with Iran, when France is a free, democratic country, and Iran is a dictatorship that does not respect human rights. Please discuss, (] 22:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
| | quote5 = As Omer Benjakob reported for Haaretz, Turkish officials had previously contacted the Wikimedia Foundation in the United States to request that content on articles such as “State-sponsored terrorism” and “Foreign involvement in the Syrian Civil War” be removed. | |||
| :The sections you removed were sourced properly and meets our policies ] and ]. Removing them was against our policy on ]. Having these countries on this list is firstly, not a weasel list, secondly, does not constitute a political statement. ] <sup>] <span class="plainlinks"></span> ]</sup> 22:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::My dear Canadian friend. I believe it is a weasel list. Please understand that nations which are regarded by the international community as supporters of terrorism, do NOT have the same credibility to accuse free, democratic nations of the same crime. If I call you a name, you cannot call me back one just because I did it. It must be supported by '''evidence'''. Iran is a terrorist-sponsoring nation. It may accuse the UK or the US of the same crime to retaliate, but the Misplaced Pages community should realize how foolish it is, and thus, disregard it. I hope you understand my logic. Let me know what you think. (] 22:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)) | |||
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| :::Here at Misplaced Pages, we treat all states, nations and countries on the same level no matter what they have or haven't done. That means if it is notable and it is sourced, we added it. One being democratic and the other one not, does not give the democratic nation precedence over the other. ] <sup>] <span class="plainlinks"></span> ]</sup> 23:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
| | accessdate5 = January 30, 2020 | |||
| ::::Besides that, France has more or less admitted to sponsoring terrorism in this specific instance. They called it terrorism when it happened and they latter admitted they were involved in planning it. If anything, France is probably the worst example anon could use since they are oen of the only ones who beyond any shred of doubt should be on this list even if what they did may seem minor to many of the other accusations ] (]) 18:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| This article contains a number of controversial, unreferenced statements. The way to address these is to add citations or to remove these statements - simply removing the {{tl|fact}} tags that highlight ] issues is NOT the way forward ] (]) 11:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Alleged South African Sponsorship of Loyalist paramilitaries== | |||
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| The added this to support this allegation mentions a poor attempt by the South Africans to procure missile technology from the Loyalists (not the other way round). | |||
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| :"When three Loyalists were arrested in Paris in April 1989 in the company of a South African diplomat, in the subsequent court case the French judge treated the Loyalists leniently. He did so because what they had been handing over to the diplomat was just a display model of a Shorts missile and not anything that could have been of any value to the South African military." | |||
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| So this citation contradicts, rather than supports the statement in the article that "In the 1980s, the apartheid regime was alleged to have supplied arms to loyalist paramilitaries in Northern Ireland such as the Ulster Defence Association and Ulster Volunteer Force" | |||
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| ] (]) 13:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ::You're missing the actual section that the citation supports: | |||
| :::''"I had been deliberately targeted by an agent of South African Military Intelligence. This agent had somehow got hold of the security-force file about Mr X and then changed the details, inserting my name and address. He had then shown the file to the Loyalists."'' | |||
| ] (]) 18:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::No, haven't missed it. That link you've mentioned does not mention or substantiate '''arms sales by South Africa'''. Please find a reliable source that backs up the '''sale of arms by South Africa''' to the Loyalists or the unsubstantiated statement to that effect in the article may be removed. | |||
| ''Please do not make further edits until this has been resolved.'' ] (]) 23:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The second ref link is being a bit dodgy but the page is cached . Quote: "During this period, Nelson also travelled to South Africa at the behest of McMichael, to procure arms for the UDA. He was central to securing weapons in January 1988 including 200 AK47 assault rifles, 90 Browning pistols, 500 fragmentation grenades, 30,000 rounds of ammunition and 12 RPG 7 rocket launchers. | |||
| ::::Divided out among the UDA, UVF and Ulster Resistance, the weapons helped to fuel a loyalist murder campaignfrom1988 to1994in which more than 200 people died.The deal with SouthAfrican agents was known to Nelson's handlers and is thought to have been cleared by at least one unnamed British government minister. " | |||
| Regards, ] (]) 19:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, I don't see why you regard adding references to a section as being "controversial edits". While I appreciate that you are probably editing in ] your removal of references that support the material is starting to get irritating. I suggest you read the FULL source before removing it in future. Regards, ] (]) 19:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Questionable opinion pieces about the US as a state sponsor of terror == | |||
| :The reference did not support the statement - simple as that. Your was about an alleged assassination plot and attempt by SA to ''procure'' rocket technology and would therefore support a statement about SA ''buying'', not ''supplying'' arms. You can't make a claim, then back it up with an contradictory citation. I raised this issue here on the talk page specifically so that you could have the opportunity to resolve it. This is a controversial article, so reliable and verifiable references are required, even if you may find this "irritating". {{User:Socrates2008/Sig}} 21:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| This quote is very subjective and opinionated, probably written by people with a bias against the US. | |||
| ::I agree strongly with Socrates2008 and I have reverted the addition by GiollaUidir. The one reference does not work and the other does not support of even mention the supply of arms by any party. --] (]) 09:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| "The U.S. Government, which has repeatedly engaged in sponsorship of terrorism as a feature of its foreign policy," | |||
| == South Africa == | |||
| If you actually read the sources, they say things like "the US supported the South African apartheid government". While supporting the apartheid government was morally questionable at best, its completely illogical to say that the government itself was a terrorist force. Just because a government is immoral doesn't mean its synonymous with terrorism. Calling it a feature of foreign policy is even more absurd. This is like calling the US a state sponsor of terror because it does trade with China which has subjugated the Tibetans and Uyghur Muslims. | |||
| I have once again had to correct this section. I would remind ] to refrain from adding POV content. The references to the South African Border War or political assassinations fall outside of the definition of terrorism or state sponsored terrorism. None of these activities ''targeted'' "non-combatants". --] (]) 09:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :I in turn have had to correct Deon's edits. Hopefully we can now put these issues to bed.] (]) 20:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| You can certainly criticize US foreign policy mistakes in droves, but it's an entirely different statement to claim that US used terrorism as a feature. The author, Edward S. Herman, is incredibly biased and has an axe to grind. The source is trash basically. Supporting a government you don't like isn't terrorism. A country that supports Iran for example wouldn't itself be a state sponsor of terror even though Iran is. It's not like a communicable disease. | |||
| ==Phase4 is a POV alias of ]== | |||
| Phase4 is an alias of ] is for making POV edits non attributable to him. Please see the ] {{User:Socrates2008/Sig}} 02:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| Section claims Sri Lanka has accused India of sponsoring terrorism but the linked citation shows exactly the opposite; an errant minister redacting his statement | |||
| ] (]) 17:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==China is supporting northeast india terrorist group== | |||
| ==POV and Patrick Haseldine== | |||
| I have removed a bad case of POI, namely "''] ]''" This is opinion. I have changed it to fact, which is he was a diplomat. | |||
| :That term was there because he is the chief proponent of an unproven ] about South African involvment in the ] bombing. Furthermore, his of his own ] suggests that he himself is happy with this term. {{User:Socrates2008/Sig}} 01:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Labelling somone a conspiracy theorist is certainly POV:- it is a pejorative term used it discredit the theories expressed by that individual (and I'm not expressing support for SA involvment.) In contrast his position as a diplomat is fact. The link you gave in no way proves Patrick Haseldine is happy to be labelled a conspiracy theorist. All it shows is that someone who registered as PJHaseldine, and linked himself to this article, did not change the description. This is not support as anyone could claim on Misplaced Pages to be him, and it is policy that Misplaced Pages is not used as its own reference. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| https://indianexpress.com/article/india/chinese-agencies-helping-north-east-militants-in-myanmar-4468384/ | |||
| :::Discussion continued ] {{User:Socrates2008/Sig}} 10:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ==Fact tags and deletions== | |||
| ==Right Wing Indian politicians and their role with state sponser terror== | |||
| I'm familiar with most of the facts on this article, and will start to work to add references to support the claims. So please do not make any further deletions. One section on Chile about Operation Condor that user Raggz deleted as "OR," is actually not OR but well known, and there are many good sources to support the claim. So I'll restore that bit and expand on it with a source. An excellent source I have the supports the claims is from the journal ''Social Justice''. Article Title: ''Operation Condor: Clandestine Inter-American System'' by J. Patrice Mcsherry Volume: 26. Issue: 4. Publication Year: 1999. Page Number: 144. COPYRIGHT 1999. Thanks.] (]) 06:52, 29 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Many Indian riots was program by State to target and kill people from a community. We may include that also in India section. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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Questionable opinion pieces about the US as a state sponsor of terror
This quote is very subjective and opinionated, probably written by people with a bias against the US.
"The U.S. Government, which has repeatedly engaged in sponsorship of terrorism as a feature of its foreign policy,"
If you actually read the sources, they say things like "the US supported the South African apartheid government". While supporting the apartheid government was morally questionable at best, its completely illogical to say that the government itself was a terrorist force. Just because a government is immoral doesn't mean its synonymous with terrorism. Calling it a feature of foreign policy is even more absurd. This is like calling the US a state sponsor of terror because it does trade with China which has subjugated the Tibetans and Uyghur Muslims.
You can certainly criticize US foreign policy mistakes in droves, but it's an entirely different statement to claim that US used terrorism as a feature. The author, Edward S. Herman, is incredibly biased and has an axe to grind. The source is trash basically. Supporting a government you don't like isn't terrorism. A country that supports Iran for example wouldn't itself be a state sponsor of terror even though Iran is. It's not like a communicable disease.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/29766326 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.59.115 (talk) 06:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Citation issue in "India" section
Section claims Sri Lanka has accused India of sponsoring terrorism but the linked citation shows exactly the opposite; an errant minister redacting his statement
China is supporting northeast india terrorist group
Right Wing Indian politicians and their role with state sponser terror
Many Indian riots was program by State to target and kill people from a community. We may include that also in India section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.48.108.42 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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