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| == Is MyWikiBiz a "spammer" site? == | |||
| There is a discussion (nearly an edit war) going on with User:Calton and . Basically, User:Calton thinks it's really important to deny MyWikiBiz an external link from a page about artist ]. Although the linked-to is the only one-page source on the Internet for licensed photos, a licensed interview, and a re-sampled video of the artist's work, User:Calton insists on calling it a "spam" site, operated by a "spammer". User:Calton is not an administrator. administrators, however, have told User:Calton to stop removing the link to MyWikiBiz, since it does add unique value to Misplaced Pages. Keep in mind that MyWikiBiz.com has about 15 external links from Misplaced Pages, while Wikia has about 12,000 and Amazon has about 50,000. In your opinion, is User:Calton correct to call MyWikiBiz a "spam" site operated by a "spammer", and is he correct to be trying to remove this link from ], in defiance of two different Misplaced Pages administrators? -- ] (]) 13:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :It is policy that Misplaced Pages is not a battleground; because treating for-profit sites like Mywikibiz and people like its main operator, Greg, (who has a beef with Misplaced Pages) as enemies hurts Misplaced Pages content and the community social dynamics. Treat encyclopedia content choices strictly according to "''what choice best helps to create the best encyclopedia we can write''". ] (]) 15:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's spam. Treating spamming as if it were spamming is not "treating WP like a battleground" -- unless you stretch the meaning and spirit of that sentence to its breaking point. And the above brand-new user has, shall we say, a familiar argumentative style, reminiscent of a certain ]-] ]. --] | ] 04:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| It seems like a good resource and useful link to me. ] (]) 07:33, 3 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The key difference between Misplaced Pages and MyWikiBiz is that in the latter, blatant spammers and POV-pushers (advocate POV instead of NPOV) openly acknowledge what they're doing. On Misplaced Pages, it isn't the general rule, though it happens frequently and when it does, it's an open secret. WikiBiz isn't in and of itself a spam-site, but basically does Misplaced Pages a good service by unloading spam-cruft onto their own site, which Liz Cohen profits from. The fact that they try to pretend that this is not what they're doing is hilarious. | |||
| And by "spam-cruft," I mean stuff that isn't blatant advertising. Just subtle advertising, like ]. | |||
| ''(The note above was brought to you by the ]. "Acme: For fifty years, the leader in creative mayhem.")'' | |||
| <font size="4">]</font> <font face="impact"> ]</font> (]) 09:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I have counted no less than four different administrators who feel that the link should be maintained in Misplaced Pages's article about ]. I count one non-administrator who feels that the link should be removed. I am , and I think what User:Calton is standing on his head about involves far more portion of revenge than it does of encyclopedia-building. On the basis of the 4-to-1 count, I am restoring the link to the article. I am no less certain that Calton will revert it once again. -- ] (]) 18:10, 3 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I just happened to stumble across this discussion; I am not usually involved in discussing these sorts of things. I did follow the links, however, and the striking thing to me is how non-notable the subject of the Liz Cohen article is. An AfD, if successful, would solve the whole issue of what should be linked from that article, because there would be nothing to link from. ] (]) 04:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I know of no reason why an editorially-appropriate link to mywikibiz.com should be deleted. Whether any given link is editorially appropriate depends of course on complex questions which will be local to individual articles, but certainly we should reject the extreme argument in this case. There can of course be sites which really are spam sites... for example those targetted by automated spam bots. These can and should be dropped into the blacklist. I do not see any reason the current case rises to that level.--] (]) 20:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == GFDL and the Creative Commons Attribution License == | |||
| Jimbo, says that submissions for presentations, workshops, panels, | |||
| posters, open spaces, and artistic artifacts for the July 17-19, 2008 Wikimana in Alexandria, Egypt must be dual licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 or later ''and'' the Creative Commons Attribution License. Maybe it is time to say at the bottom of the edit boxes that WikiMedia uses that all NEW material submitted must be dual licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 or later ''and'' the Creative Commons Attribution License. Should we create a transition period between now and when the Free Software Foundation updates its GFDL to be compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution License? ] (]) 15:24, 2 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :CC-BY-SA would be closer and no. We do not need to confuse things further. Best to let things be sorted out by the merge. If the merge does not take place then we should then consider further action.] 09:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Request banned user (I alway enjoy my Ice Cream =)......Meow) == | |||
| Jimbo, will you please ban ] from Misplaced Pages. This user was blocked for vandalized editing. -- 00:23, February 3, 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
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| ] (]) has smiled at you! Smiles promote ] and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! <br /> <small>''Smile at others by adding {{tls|Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''</small> | |||
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| == it.wiki and non free logos == | |||
| Hi Jimbo, I'm sorry for my English. I'm an admin on Italian Misplaced Pages and a OTRS volunteer. On it.wiki, I strongly believe that there is a savage use of non free logos (trademarks) on templates, despite ] states that non free content must use only in main namespace. ], but there are ], many others. I believe that using non free content on templates is opposite WMF licensing policy. I think that a very large use (not exceptions) of non free content in templates is not the way to have a minimal use of such material. I tried to explain my point of view, but many wikipedians told me that this view is exceedingly rigid, and that it.wiki should not apply licensing policy in this way (not like, for example, en.wiki or fr.wiki, that forbid use of non free content in templates). What do you think about? Thanks--] (]) 03:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == A good leader. == | |||
| {{Quotation|When the Master governs, the people<br>are hardly aware that he exists.<br>Next best is a leader who is loved.<br>Next, one who is feared.<br>The worst is one who is despised.<br><br>If you don't trust the people,<br>you make them untrustworthy.<br><br>The Master doesn't talk, he acts.<br>When his work is done,<br>the people say, "Amazing:<br>we did it, all by ourselves!"|, Chapter 17 }} | |||
| <font size="4">]</font> <font face="impact"> ]</font> (]) 05:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I always believed it was four to six short, well constructed sentences laying out a premise and possibly a resolution. ] (]) 13:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == NYT checks fact with Misplaced Pages == | |||
| Misplaced Pages should of course rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking like—for example—the '']'', who it seems have just checked a fact with, um, Misplaced Pages. Here's what and here's the as a result (but too late for them). The article still lacks any references! ] (]) 00:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :That's how Misplaced Pages generally works, which is why any and all criticism of Misplaced Pages is a good thing. A lot of users have an emotional investment in the Misplaced Pages project, so they take it personally when it's criticized. Because of this, it's been shown over and over that when Misplaced Pages is criticized, it gets better. It's precisely for this reason that I argue on ] that comparisons between Misplaced Pages and Britannica are so inaccurate. There has been so much in the media about, "Which is better? Britannica or Misplaced Pages?" This has driven Misplaced Pages editors to work very hard towards developing the articles on Misplaced Pages which are also found on Britannica. Based on this, though, it is misleading to argue that Misplaced Pages is as accurate as Britannica, since correlation doesn't imply causation. After all, Misplaced Pages's current policy ''allows'' users to cite ''Britannica itself'' and ''other'' encyclopedias as a source for information. According to the ], that places Misplaced Pages ''below'' the reliability of an encyclopedia, since Misplaced Pages doesn't rely solely upon primary and secondary sources, while Britannica does. Despite any empirical uncertainty about Misplaced Pages, it's difficult to put forth a theoretical argument for the Misplaced Pages model when no regard is given to reason, to experts, or the scholastic method. <font size="4">]</font> <font face="impact"> ]</font> (]) 04:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I think the main point here is the irony. ] (]) 04:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Actually, since the average article in Misplaced Pages is more accurate than the average newspaper article, it does make sense for them to look it up here. But since we are less accurate than many other sources for many things, it makes sense to try to find a better source for anything a newspaper wishes to print as a fact their readers can rely on. Everyone makes mistakes, and no single source can be trusted to not have a typo or a bias or some other error. ] (]) 06:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, but the point is that newspaper articles are often used in Misplaced Pages as verifiable and reliable source material, despite complaints from many of us that they often simply represent little more than what one journalist has written which gets by one editor in time for tonight's print deadline, and after which has been transferred to dead trees corpses under the rubric of a fancy masthead. None of which succeeds in transmogrifying into anything special. As compared with something in Misplaced Pages which may well have passed without change for months or years under the eyes of hundreds of skeptical editors, many of whom are acknowledged subject experts, but who have no way of proving it, because Misplaced Pages has been structured deliberately as to make it as free as possible from anybody needing to take personal responsibility for anything. So the crappy newspaper wins. And there's your irony. ]]]] 06:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::The reporter was completely careless, the phrase "where ''poderida'' meant ''powerful''" that was found on the original Wiki entry is complete nonsense, "poderida" is not even a word in neither ancient or modern Spanish, the correct term for powerful is ''poderoso (a)'', Misplaced Pages can't take the blame if a reporter doesn't make a quick check on a dictionary before posting content on a newspaper. - ] 07:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| WAS 4.250, do you have a source for the claim that Misplaced Pages is more reliable than the newspaper? This one case of carelessness by the New York Times doesn't prove it. | |||
| Sbharris says is right. Also, please notice: Even with that re-write, ''the person still used Spanish Misplaced Pages as a source.'' I fixed it. | |||
| Also, Caribbean~H.Q, the New York Times editor claimed to use Misplaced Pages as a ''source'' for the term, to double-check it at the last minute -- not the other way around. Misplaced Pages's article on it has claimed the "olla poderida" term for a ''while'' now. . <font size="4">]</font> <font face="impact"> ]</font> (]) 09:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :There are many many sources for how inaccurate newspapers are and how accurate compared to encyclopedias we are. We are better than newspapers, but not yet as good as the best encyclopedias. ] (]) 11:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| It's another sign of how important wikipedia has become as a source of knowledge in the world, and how necessary it is to get articles right, or, at the least, to tag them with {{tl|verify}} and so on as a warning to unsuspecting readers. ] (]) 21:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Misplaced Pages seeks cheap publicity == | |||
| You are provoking a lot of peoples in the name of knowledge. What a false image of Muhammed (peace be upon him) has to do with Islam. But you have it their because you know that Muslims will not like it and you will get some publicity on the expense of people's sentiments. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:19, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Nice article == | |||
| ==How to set your browser to not see images== | |||
| {{Template:Misplaced Pages:How to set your browser to not see images}}Imagine a wikipedia space page with instructions on ]. Imagine a link to it in the toolbox on the left side of each page. Image a more noticeable template that links to it, available for pages which are routinely problematic due to images that are shocking to a minority of wikipedia editors, rather than shocking/offensive to enough to have the image only linked to. Imagine a Wikimania conference in Egypt this summer. ] (]) 19:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| "''''" ] (]) 10:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Help == | |||
| == Seasonal greetings :) == | |||
| Sorry to bother you. Could you tell me what I need to do do to get the main page on a wikia to hide the title and the tab at the top to say main page? I am an administrator and bureaucrat on a wikia. Thanks. Cheers. ]]] 19:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Uhm, better to ask at Wikia. :) --] (]) 21:20, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| '''Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this ]. Spread the ] by wishing another user a ] and a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. <br />Happy editing,'''<br /> | |||
| — Benison <small>(] · ])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ''{{resize|96%|Spread the love by adding {{tls|Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.}}'' | |||
| Ok. Thanks. Could you tell me exactly where to go? ]]] 21:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| |}<span id="Benison:1734890634947:User_talkFTTCLNJimbo_Wales" class="FTTCmt">— Benison <small>(] · ])</small> 18:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</span> | |||
| == Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc. == | |||
| == {{User|Allstarecho}} == | |||
| Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to {{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old2}} with ], so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "{{noredirect|User:Jimbo Wales/old}}" was ]. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see ]! I hope this is all OK with you. | |||
| Hello Jimbo, could you give me a little bit more information about your block of Allstarecho? I can see that he was slightly incivil, but there are users who make far greater attacks than he has and get off without a block, or even a warning. I just don't feel it's really fair to Allstarecho that an example should be made of him, when there are far worse users here. I also feel a week is a little excessive - would there be any chance you could reduce it down to a length more in line with civility blocks (such as 24 hours?)? ] 20:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So ] is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the ], a ] about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a ] of ] on ]! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon ] (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but ]. | |||
| I will reduce the block to 24 hours per your request. But the solution is not to go easy on users because other people are worse. The solution is to give the worse users long timeouts until they can learn that incivility is not acceptable.--] (]) 21:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks Jimbo, I'll pop over and have a word with him and make sure that he knows that it will be unacceptable to make those sort of comments in the future. ] 21:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| As noted in various places like ], your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). ] (]) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Have to say, Ryan, I disagree with you. Allstarecho has a fairly confrontational method for dealing with things, and I think Jimmy's "time out" was in order. That said, if the 24 hour block does the job, bully for that, because shorter block = more contribs from him. His work is generally high quality, but I find his attitude to be incredibly confrontational. Maybe there's another way to deal with that, though - I wonder if he'd be open to adoption or some informal mentoring from a community member he trusts? - ] | ] 22:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. ] (]) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| *I think a wrist-slap from Jimbo is all that is necessary. It was a minor infraction and nothing more than a minor 24 hour block was necessary. Allstar is pretty smart - I'm sure he's grown from the experience. I think we should let it die for now. --<font color="#0000C0">David</font> ''']''' 22:37, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::No worries. My Christmas gifts are ], as I realised later. ] (]) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| Hallo, Jimbo! Sehr Angenehm. Ich heiße Javier, und ich wohne in Argentinien. Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch (Actually, I started studying one month ago), Englisch und Spanisch, meine Muttersprache. Mein Benutzername (oder nickname) in spanisch Misplaced Pages ist Greek, aber antworten Sie mich hier "if you want to". Tschüss. --] (]) 20:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Hello Jimbo Wales, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages. |
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Old edits to your user page retrieved, your very early edits, etc.
Hi Jimmy, I've moved your user page edits from their previous location at "Jimbo Wales" to User:Jimbo Wales/old2 with a little assistance, so they're no longer in the main namespace; the title "User:Jimbo Wales/old" was already taken. I then imported edits to your user page from some 2001 database dumps, most notably the one from August 2001, so we can now see the first version of your user page on 19 January 2001 (UTC)! I hope this is all OK with you.
It's a long story how I ended up doing this. So WikiProject Women in Red is celebrating a milestone of 20% of our biographical articles being about women. In the draft press release about this event, a question was raised about who was the first woman to get a biographical entry here]]. I was able to give a definitive answer of Rosa Parks on 21 January 2001 (UTC)! I've been spending the last couple of days checking the very early edits of the first biographies created around that time, and came upon Thomas Edison (or ThomasEdison as it was at first in CamelCase). In the process of consolidating the Thomas Edison page history, I moved your edit from "ThomasEdison" to "Thomas Edison"; your early edit to that page on 23 January (UTC) was previously listed as the first one but not any more.
As noted in various places like this discussion, your first surviving edit under the username "JimboWales" was to the ThomasEdison (or Thomas Edison) page. I checked the August 2001 database dump for any earlier ones, found them, and imported all of them to the English Misplaced Pages database. Of course you made earlier edits, but it's interesting to find early contributions attached to your username (in CamelCase form or otherwise). Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Such nerdy presents we give. Thanks, brother. BusterD (talk) 16:17, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. My Christmas gifts are so predictable, as I realised later. Graham87 (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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