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| == Saeb Erekat == | |||
| My reading of the is that several 100 were killed in Jenin (though not 500) in April 2002. It would add up, we have 80 in Nablus and then smaller numbers elsewhere, totalling 497 in 9 weeks (March, April and first week of May) in "Palestinian Area A". I'll grant you my "several 100" figure does not appear anywhere in the RS, but it's the "least surprising" conclusion to be drawn from all the evidence, including what Israel told us. The only different report is what appeared from the perpetrators after they'd kept all observers, medical attention etc kept out of the camp for at least 4 (perhaps 8) days while they extensively bulldozed the centre of the camp. 100s of other reports (including Israeli) say there were 100s of dead. None of them ever retract what they said (to the rage of the blogosphere!). However, I'm not actually looking to include this at ], I just think the rest of it now needs writing to the RSes. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 08:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :damn it PR, that's not writing to the RSes, that's writing to your personal crackpot interpretation of the RSes. there were major battles through that period in virtually every Palestinian population centre - Nablus, Jenin, Bethlehem, Ramallah, Gaza City, Rafah, etc etc. if you really want, go through the relevant reports from B'Tselem, then match up dates & places of death. <]/]]> 09:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :''I can't believe Misplaced Pages is still suffering through this nonsense. It's fine to discuss the Seagraves's elaboration of this tall tale, and their silly books, but we owe it to the readers to keep some distance. Enough of this "many credible historians have argued well-documented" weasel worded crap. If the Seagraves claim something, say "the Seagraves claim X" and put it in a section called "According to the Seagraves," stop with the puffery and ] theory pushing. <eleland/talkedits> 18:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The long and favourable review of the Seagraves' book by ], a well-known historian and former CIA consultant, in the '']'' is a credible source that is also used in the article. Johnson also draws on books by other people. His article can be found here: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n22/john04_.html | |||
| I don't think the claims of "nonsense", "tall tales", "silly books", "weasel words" or "fringe theories" can be justified in this instance. ] | ] 08:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == note on edits. == | |||
| eleland, i always enjoy your comments, and find you very insightful. I would like to humbly ask that you not continue the discussion of jewish genes. there is no basis for making any conclusions from such data about the relevance or validity of the jewish people or any other group, even if findings might appear to be in any way conclusive. if the world accepts the jewish people, or any other religious, cultural, social, political, or ethnic group, then all we can do as an encyclopedia is accept and report that basic fact. thanks. --] (]) 14:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :your last comment was really great. I hope you'll think of restoring at least part of it. Of course, it's completely up to you. thanks. --] (]) 00:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| == Rolling Stone == | |||
| The "Rolling Stone" magazine of 7/2/1970 notes that there was "an unmistakeable orange flash at the end of his pistol". | |||
| This refers to Hunter's pistol. The writer notes that the orange flash appeared "before" Hunter was stabbed. | |||
| ;Angels | |||
| Barger and the Hells Angels generally say that Hunter fired his gun. Presumably, they do not count as a source. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by | |||
| ] (]) 09:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Well, don't go telling ''me'' about it. Instead edit the article to say that, and be sure to add the text | |||
| <nowiki><ref>Lastname, Firstname. 'Name of media report.' ''Rolling Stone'' 7 Feb 1970</ref></nowiki> | |||
| :so we know where you got it. The Hells Angel's claim can also be mentioned and attributed. <]/]]> 09:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Also please make your comments in one piece, its impossible to reply when i keep getting edit conflicts. Signing would be nice, too (put <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end, you get the ~ from shift+key @ top left of kbd) <]/]]> 09:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::The article in the "Rolling Stone" of 1970 is already mentioned in the External Links in the article on Hunter. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :::Please start signing your comments, and please read and cite your sources properly. It actually says, | |||
| ::<blockquote> In one frame, just before is jumped, there is an unmistakable orange flash at the end of the pistol, Bibb adds. It lasts only for this one frame. Bibb is not saying this is a gunshot, and he's not saying it's not. It might be, say, a reflection off someone's watch or glasses. "The Angels say there was a shot fired," says Bibb. "I can't tell you. It's impossible, really, to tell what it is. None of us heard a shot."</blockquote> | |||
| :::So Rolling Stone reported that ''somebody said'' there was a flash, but that he couldn't tell whether it was a gunshot, and you want to use that as proof of a gunshot as reported by Rolling Stone? Uhm, no. <]/]]> 09:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::The orange flash is visible to any one looking at the "frame", not to one man only. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Edit warring as combative language == | |||
| Eleland, hi. I'm not entirely sure, but when you describe the AoIA reverts as "edit warring" you are maybe too quickly making an accusation. If ] applies, then after their initial revert you should then move to discussion and not revert back. Right? Anyway, couldn't you use another phrase or omit that, and just go to your well-sourced substantive discussion? And thanks for noting and follwing 1RR, kudos to you. ] | ] 15:06, 7 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi Eleland,<br/> | |||
| You suggested that summaries of other articles be written in this one. For their size, you suggested 2-3 paragraph.<br/> | |||
| I agreed but I am embarrassed... I had already written a "summary" of the first of the article about the dec47-May48 period and it is . Do you think this could be even more summarized in keeping NPov ?<br/> | |||
| Thank you for your comments :-) ] (]) 20:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi, | |||
| I have just noticed something odd that I'd like to share with you: . | |||
| In the edit summary of the Revision as of 22:00, 10 February 2008 of ], you can see that it was an entry by ''']''' in the section "Professional, peer-reviewed evidence". However, the comment was signed thus: '''''] (]) 06:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)''''' | |||
| Curious, isn’t it? Seems he cut and pasted an old signature. Note that the timing: 22:00, 10 '''February 2008''' greatly differs from 06:25 of '''December 2007''')! | |||
| And it's also curious that Biao just showed up after a vacation in the moment when all of us are voting :) | |||
| —] 06:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| *Well, he did list this under the header "a comment from a previous editor on this talk page." Still, I agree that the timing of Biao's return is very suspicious. Both seem to be SPAs devoted to pushing conspiracy theories about ritual abuse, recovered memory, and other pseudoscientific topics. There was another SPA, ], who was involved in the same kind of thing, but (thankfully) is dormant. I think there's a possibility of either sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. ] 06:23, 11 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| **It is not terribly suspicious, the original comment can be found at ] and AT simply copied it. I doubt they're actually the same person. Abuse Truth tends to plead and is not terribly literate. Biao is abusive and denigrating (in the guise of condemning everyone else as abusive and denigrating) but literate. <]/]]> 08:16, 11 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| You are right guys: I didn’t pay due attention to AT’s heading before the quotation! | |||
| Changing subjects, we don’t need consensus to create ]. I have been recently involved in a lengthy discussion in ] and some people more knowledgeable of WP policies than me believe that the subject lacks notability to merit an article of its own. | |||
| I could just move ] to ]: a subject that nobody would dispute that it’s not notable enough. Of course, ]’s theories could be maintained in a section within the article far from the lead called, for example, “Psychological explanations” of ritualized child abuse (just as the ] article has such section). | |||
| However if I move the page I would need a good lead and also some content totally unrelated to deMause’s theories to justify the moving (I could fix by myself the many articles’ redirects though). | |||
| Once ] is created as a legitimate WP article, there would be no reason to impede us the moving of the legitimate cases of child ritual abuse to the moved article. We can even do it before the SRA page is unlocked. This strategy would comply with WP’s due weight policy by vindicating the majority view in history and sociology that the subjects are distinct (RCA is about actual forensic evidence, while SRA is about a 1980s and 90’s moral panic more analogous with witch-hunts than with ritual crime). | |||
| I’ll leave this message in Crot’s talk page as well. | |||
| —] 20:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| You've been blocked for 48 hours for , which I find violates both standard wiki civility policy and arbcom rulings on Mideast articles. Referring to someone's edits as "idiocy" and "garbage" is not the best way to handle things. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — ] • ] • </span> 16:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :So it's fine to misrepresent your sources, but calling someone on it is block-worthy. Lovely. <]/]]> 16:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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