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Dirty old man on Wiktionary

Hi, the definition on the page Dirty old man on Wiktionary is inaccurate. It is "an old or older adult male who acts in a lewd and lecherous manner", not a generic "adult male". Would you kindly fix it, please? 151.46.79.89 (talk) 21:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

You should post this on the relevant talk page on Wiktionary (or just change it yourself), I'm not going to have time to look for at least a couple of days I expect. Thryduulf (talk) 22:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

But no one answers me there and the page is protected until 2029, and you are a Wiktionary administrator, right? 151.46.78.204 (talk) 13:02, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

If nobody is answering on the talk page try wikt:Wiktionary:Tea room. I am no longer an admin on Wiktionary. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Aren't you still an autocofirmed user? Couldn't you fix it anyway? 151.38.59.219 (talk) 22:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

It depends on the protection level, but you should be asking in one of the venues I previously mentioned rather than badgering a random person on a different project. I won't be responding further to you about this. Thryduulf (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

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Administrator Elections: Call for Candidates

Administrator Elections | Call for Candidates

The administrator elections process has officially started! Interested editors are encouraged to self-nominate or arrange to be nominated by reviewing the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Administrator elections/October 2024/Call for candidates.

Here is the schedule:

• October 8–14 - Candidate sign-up (we are here)
• October 22–24 - Discussion phase
• October 25–31 - SecurePoll voting phase

Please note the following:

• The requirements to run are identical to RFA—a prospective candidate must be extended confirmed.
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• The process will have a one week call for candidates phase, a one week pause to set up SecurePoll, a three-day period of public discussion, followed by 7 days of no public discussion and a private vote using SecurePoll.
• The outcomes of this process are identical to making requests for adminship. There is no official difference between an administrator appointed through RFA or administrator elections.
• Administrator elections are also a valid means of regaining adminship for de-sysopped editors.

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Brazil's "fictional language"

Hi Thryduulf - I understand your point on the PlayStation Dos RFD and I agree with it in general regarding your reply - but there's additional context that the poster of that comment is from Brazil and is making a self depreciating joke about it (see their userpage - they've got a section about it). I don't want to make mountains out of molehills but it's relevant context in case the discussion goes further BugGhost🦗👻 00:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, @Bugghost, that context is helpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello,First of all, I wish you good luck and success and stay healthy. Request to add sections

Hello, I am Abduvaitov Sherzod. I am a contributor to Uzbek, Russian and English Misplaced Pages. Can I add sections from other Wikis to the Karaginsky Island article? Please give permission or guidance! Thank you. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 0988 (talk) 16:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• @Abduvaitov Sherzod 0988: I am sorry but I don't have time now to help you in detail, but in general be bold and edit the article, nobody needs to give you permission. If you want advice or help then the best place to ask is Misplaced Pages:Tea house or, for technical queries, Misplaced Pages:Help desk. Awkward42 (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for your advice and thanks, I will edit this article. Thank you. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 0988 (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Administrator Elections: Discussion phase

The discussion phase of the October 2024 administrator elections is officially open. As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

• October 22–24 - Discussion phase
• October 25–31 - SecurePoll voting phase
• November 1–? - Scrutineering phase

During October 22–24, we will be in the discussion phase. The candidate subpages will open to questions and comments from everyone, in the same style as a request for adminship. You may discuss the candidates at Misplaced Pages:Administrator elections/October 2024/Discussion phase.

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Small action leads to much appreciation

Hello @Thryduulf,

I noticed you asked the same question of all the candidates over at Misplaced Pages:Administrator elections/October 2024/Discussion phase, namely “Why did you choose to seek adminship via election rather than via a standard RFA?”, which, while I’m sure it took but a second of your time to pose to everyone, was an important question to ask. The few candidates that have responded so far have provided very enlightening answers in response. Again, thanks! JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | 01:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, 11 minutes to do the asking plus a couple more to figure out the best phrasing, but you're welcome. Thryduulf (talk) 01:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I also came here to give thanks for mass posting this question. I think the answers to this question will reveal important information for the debrief after the election. In other words, it's basically asking the candidates what they feel are the pros of the administrator election format compared to RFA, which is useful info. So anyway, thank you :) –Novem Linguae (talk) 01:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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Administrator Elections: Voting phase

The voting phase of the October 2024 administrator elections has started and continues until 23:59 31st October 2024 UTC. You can participate in the voting phase at Misplaced Pages:Administrator elections/October 2024/Voting phase.

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Once voting concludes, we will begin the scrutineering phase, which will last for an indeterminate amount of time, perhaps a week or two. Once everything is certified, the results will be posted on the main election page. In order to be granted adminship, a candidate must have received at least 70.0% support, calculated as Support / (Support + Oppose). As this is a vote and not a consensus, there are no bureaucrat discussions ("crat chats").

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Image syntax

Hello, I see you are testing some image syntax in your sandbox. Are your testing in regards to invalid image option syntax errors, or would it be ok if the four tracked errors were addressed? Numbers 10 and 16 are claiming to have multiple captions due to the | after the intended caption, and 11 and 17 have the same sort of issue, just presenting differently with the empty parameter | | appearing before the intended caption. (the other cases of | | aren't an issue since no other caption appears in those cases)

Just asking since Invalid image options is one of the error types I've helped eliminate on Misplaced Pages, and I try to keep these from repopulating, with exception to intentional test cases. Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 16:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

The context for the testing is Misplaced Pages:Village pump (proposals)#Warn on inline image usage where your input would be extremely valuable. I'd rather you didn't adjust the syntax in my sandbox until that discussion concludes though as that might complicate things. Thryduulf (talk) 17:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

No worries, that's why I asked, since (with the edit summary included) it looked more intentional and the table syntax was far better written than the usual popup cases from the random new users I see. I'll leave it be. Thanks for the info! Zinnober9 (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Mothballed admins

My words were inexact, but we have a number of admins who retired fully trusted by the community. Many of those might pickup the mop after demonstrating their competency (method to be discussed, for example a "re-election" much like the current admin election model). In addition we have many former admins who still edit regularly. I wish we had a system of "rehabilitating" former admins, who were trusted but had some issues. Former admins face an extra-ordinarily high bar for return, IMHO. I would like to see a path for re-briefing, re-entrusting, re-connecting with former trusted servants. No plan, just a desire to broaden our bench with people we already know. We let indef-blocked and banned editors rejoin the community but desysopped or retired admins rarely try to regain the mop. BusterD (talk) 15:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing preventing anyone who has been desysopped for activity from standing again at RFA (or elections if they continue), whether they are beyond the period of automatic reinstatement or not. If they demonstrated that they were familiar with current policies and cultural norms (and hadn't done anything since desysopping that would prevent someone gaining adminship for the first time) then they would easily pass. The reality is that most people who get desysopped for inactivity don't become active editors again, we can't know why in the majority of cases but assuming it is like other internet communities it will be a case of interests shifting over time and real life changes meaning they don't have the time they once did. Misplaced Pages hasn't been around long enough for those who were active as students who left because jobs and families took their time to return as retirees/empty nesters.

Of those that do return after extended absences, not all of them have an interest in becoming administrators again. Fixing RFA is probably the single thing we can do to bring back those who do return and still (or again) want to be admins, but even if we do that will have far greater impact on those who have never been admins. Energy spent in this regard is almost certainly going to be better focused at stopping admins becoming inactive in the first place, although nothing we can do (other than fixing the society of whichever real-world country they live in) will prevent the issues of time. Thryduulf (talk) 19:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your well-considered answer. You caught me acting uncharacteristically emotional the other day, and just staring at your datestamp caused me to straighten up a bit. I don't like looking immature in front of people I generally respect. But worse, if I act badly, I want people I can count on to hold me to account. Thanks. I see we're getting eleven new admins with the election and not looking like losing either of the petitioned two (we might lose mostly inactive TonyUSMC for cause, which is a terrible look for us). So gather ye rosebuds... BusterD (talk) 20:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Funicular railways in Slovenia

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Administrator changes

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• Following a discussion, the discussion-only period proposal that went for a trial to refine the requests for adminship (RfA) process has been discontinued.
• Following a request for comment, Administrator recall is adopted as a policy.

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• Mass deletions done with the Nuke tool now have the 'Nuke' tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. T366068

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Sandbox

In case you didn't know, your Sandobox is listed at Lint Errors: Bogus file options. When you are done with this experiment, it would be great if you would blank the page or otherwise remove the four lint errors. Cheers! —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

See #Image syntax above. Thryduulf (talk) 22:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

On self votes

Hi Thryduulf -- I note you hatted my draft question on this topic in my absence. Obviously in the current election a single vote either way would not make a blind bit of difference. But... imagine in future this process has been running for a while, and interest in it has substantially cooled. Say not particularly well-known admin EA has been recalled. If she chooses to endure a reconfirmation RfA she may not support herself; if she chooses to run at an administrator election, she may support herself. If the number of votes cast is low, then that single self vote can determine the outcome. Not particularly suggesting reopening but these things need to be considered carefully somewhere. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

If you read the discussion it's clear that it is completely unenforceable and there is consensus against asking a question about it in the RFC. Indeed, you seem to be the only person to consider self-voting an issue. Thryduulf (talk) 08:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet admits to being a sockpuppet

User:MSSPN2008. Check out their userpage. Twinkle won't let me report to SPI without knowing who the sockpuppeteer is. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

JBW appears to have already blocked them for inappropriate use of multiple accounts. As I'm not a checkuser, I don't think there is anything more for me to do here? Thryduulf (talk) 22:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Just for the sake of clarity, Thryduulf, I chose you as an admin since:

1. It didn't appear to be a big enough deal of a case to absolutely require SPI.
2. You happened to be on top of the recently active admins list in that moment of time.

I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 23:49, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: If it's of any interest to you, the other account is Masierra2008. JBW (talk) 23:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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@BGerdemann (WMF) is that the right link? It tells me I have already participated. Thryduulf (talk) 00:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks

..for your comment on WP:ARC, you are probably right, though it is no fun being accused, but nor knowing what for. I am not too worried, though: I haven't broken any wiki rules, AFAIK. Actually, the first thing I thought of when I heard of the Discord -channel was: how silly...pro-Israelis were 100% sure to join and "leak" anything discussed: I recall from the CAMERA-case: the first thing some of those recruited there did, was to join Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Palestine. Typically too: I am not familiar with any of the other "accused"; they seem to be mostly "rookies" -relatively speaking. Anyway, thank you for your comment, cheers, Huldra (talk) 23:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Southcote Junction

I wondered if you had anything to contribute to the current discussion on Southcote Junction, which might have wider implications for other railway related articles. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 16:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Administrator recall/Reworkshop

Thryduulf, I am extremely concerned that the RfC that comes from this reworkshop, as it currently stands, is going to trainwreck. We have something like 15–17 questions being proposed for a project-wide RfC, some which are frankly not pressing issues. Many of these questions, if left unasked, will answer themselves when they need to. But if we ask all of these questions right now, there won't be any positive changes, the RfC will careen sideways, and that's that. To make this RfC viable and digestible for the community, it needs to be ten questions, max. Can I count on you to cooperate with me towards that goal? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 11:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you that we need a focused RFC with carefully thought out and presented options. I disagree that one or two people unilaterally deciding which questions are important is the correct way to do that, and I disagree that this means an arbitrary maximum number of questions. There needs to be broad agreement about which questions are asked in an RFC, which questions needs answers but don't need an RFC, and which don't need answers (or have already been answered). Once there is agreement on which questions need to go to the RFC, we should then work out the best way to ask each question and the best order to ask them in. All this needs discussion not boldness bordering on recklessness. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

It's way easier to propose a question than to get broad agreement to shelve it. That means that the net effect is that the number of questions balloons, which is exactly what's happening now. So, yes, there needs to be a way to keep this RfC from derailing, and that means shelving things that do not need to be answered in the next month, because there are a lot of things that do need to be fixed ASAP. Do you have any thoughts on which questions that might be? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 12:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Off the top of my head, I don't know which is the most important set of questions but I'll spend a few minutes and put some thoughts on the page. Thryduulf (talk) 13:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Bronze Wolf Award

Saw your name on the talk page of Bronze Wolf Award and wondered if you could help me with something. An IP is pasting the contents of List of recipients of the Bronze Wolf Award into the main article. I have reverted them with an explanation and left them a message on their talk page but it didn't help. Can you take a look? Thanks. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 21:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Counterfeit Purses sorry I've only just seen this, but I'm not really in a position to help. It's been 7 years since I last had anything to do with that article, and that was just in an administrative capacity. I suggest you start a talk page discussion about the content, asking at a relevant WikiProject or WP:3O if that doesn't result in agreement. Thryduulf (talk) 09:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) § Propose to create page of block discussion in noticeboards

 You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy) § Propose to create page of block discussion in noticeboards. JPPEDRA2 21:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2024

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• Following an RFC, the policy on restoration of adminship has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the Misplaced Pages:Bureaucrats' noticeboard within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
• Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, T5, has been enacted. This applies to template subpages that are no longer used.

Technical news

• Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Yasuke (formerly titled Backlash to diversity and inclusion) has been closed.
• An arbitration case titled Palestine-Israel articles 5 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 14 December.

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		Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Talkback

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