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== Odds and ends== == Odds and ends==
* Limited Wikitime owing to family circumstances, ongoing
* Wiki lull during first quarter, 2008
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== A star for you ==


] 03:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)]] <div style="border: 1px #c0c090 solid; padding: 8px; width: 190px; float:left; clear:left; background-color: #ffffff; margin: 0 10px 10px 0;">'''A Start for You'''<br>]<br>You deserve this to balance out Anonimu and Anittas. &mdash; ] 03:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)</div>
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== Compliment ==


== Best wishes... ==
brilliant. ] (]) 19:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I've been busy on web site projects for some months now, but am back "on a limited basis". A belated and best wishes for a Happy New Year, especially to my Eastern/Central/Baltic Europe editorial compatriots! :-)
* I'll second that. ] (]) 22:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
* Laimīgu Jauno gadu!
* Head uut aastat!
* Naujųjų Metų!
* Szczęśliwego Nowego Roku!
* An Nou Fericit!
* Boldog Új Évet!
* З Новим Роком!
* !מזל ניו יאר
* С Новым Годом!
Among other projects, I've relaunched LATVIANS.COM and CFBH.ORG (Center for Baltic Heritage) with consolidated and updated content and usability improvements @ . I've also relaunched , the site of my dear departed friend Gunars Zulis, with much improved navigation,. In case you thought I was on a beach somewhere sipping margaritas, alas, I only wish! ]<small> ►]</small> 03:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
:Laimīgu Jauno gadu! It's good to see you back (even if only in a limited capacity). You're intelligence, analytical abilities and constructive criticism is a precious commodity, particularly for those of us still on a learning curve trying to smack down the "too many years working as a researcher" monkey on our backs. Cheers! --] (]) 04:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


== Gulag ==
Why thank you. The whole affair with Anonimu is a microcosm for what's been allowed to grow and fester under the guise of "protecting" NPOV. We're far from done, though. ] (]) 14:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


Hello
==The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXI (November 2007)==
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Unfortunately, I was in Latvia in 2011 and now I not remember :(
== Talk:Baltic_states#Rename ==


Best regards --] (]) 17:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Peters,


there is some dicussion about a possible rename. Your thoughts are most welcomed. ] (]) 05:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC) : Thanks for your note! Z szacunkiem, ]<small> ►]</small> 17:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


== Police in Nazi-occupied Latvia ==
== For anyone "watching" ==
I'll be concerting at the University of Latvia's Great Hall December 30th at 4pm (Ņujorkas latviešu koris and koris Balsis). Perhaps I'll see some of you there! The merriest of Christmases and best and warmest wishes for a happy, healthy, and prosperous New Year! ] (]) 15:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


Could you confirm that the recently redirected and the ] refer to the same subject? While the stories seem to fit more or less, there are some important details that suggest a difference (volunteers vs volunteers and conscripts; participation in Holocaust). Should the redirection be reverted, or should sourced information from the former be moved to the latter? Thank you, and I hope you have a happy new year! ] (]) 12:06, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and a happy new Year!--] (]) 16:48, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
: Hello, Anonimu. The Hilfspolizei (reported to the Sicherheitsfienst, SD) were not the Schutzmannschaft were not the Hilfs+polizei--that is, local "auxiliary" police but not reporting to the SD in collaborating in the Holocaust, unfortunately the same noun in German. Under no circumstances should those be merged. Looking forward to a more collaborative 2014. ]<small> ►]</small> 00:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)


== WikiProject Poland Newsletter (keeping as reminder) ==
: Merry Christmas to you, Peters! And, ''Prieci'gus Ziemsve'tkus un Laimi'gu Jauno Gadu!'' (Hope I got it right...) ] (]) 17:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


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Welcome to the second issue of ] newsletter, the Monitor (named after ]).


Our Project has been operational since 1 June, 2005, and also serves as the Poland-related Misplaced Pages notice board. I highly recommend watchlisting the ], so you can be aware of the ongoing discussions. We hope you will join us in them, if you haven't done so already! Unlike many other WikiProjects, we are quite active; we get close to a hundred discussion threads each year and we do a pretty good job at answering all issues raised. Last year we were ], and our interviewer was amazed at our activity. In the end, however, even as active as we are, we are just a tiny group - you can easily become one of our core members!
== Lielie Kapi - more information ? or translations? ==


In addition to a lively encyclopedic, Poland-related, English-language discussion forum, we have numerous useful tools that can be of use to you - and that you could help us maintain and develop:
Thank you for adding a photo of the great cemetery in Riga. I notice that your user profile states that you speak and understand latvian and your family origins are from there. There are a number of websites on the internet which are only written in latvian which give more details of the history of the cemetery, some of which are on the wiki article as links.
* we have an active ]. As of now, our project has tagged almost 83,000 pages as Poland-related - that's an improvement of over 3,000 new pages since the last newsletter. Out of which 30 still need a , and 2,000, . We have done a lot to clear the backlog here (3 years ago those numbers were 1,500 and 20,000, respectively). Can you help assess a few pages?
**assessing articles is as easy as filling in the class= and importance= parameters on the talk page in the <nowiki>{{WPPOLAND|class=|importance=}}</nowiki> template. See ] for a how-to guide.
* once an article has an assessment template, it will appear in ], which provides information on which Poland-related articles are considered for deletion, move, or are undergoing a Good or Featured review. Watchlisting ], in addition to watchlisting our project's main page, is a good way to make sure you stay up to date on most Poland-related discussions.
* you can also see detailed deletion discussions at ] (which is a good place to watchlist if you just want to stay up to date on possible deletions of Poland-related content)
* we have also begun ] quality reviews on our talk page, and if our activity increases, hopefully we will be able to institute our own ] quality reviews. As of now, we have about ]. If you'd like to help with them, instructions for doing B-class reviews are to be found in ]. In addition to this automated list, you are also encouraged to help review articles from our B-class reviews requested list found ].
* also, those articles will be included in our , which allows us to see which top-importance articles are in need for attention, and so on. We have tens of thousands articles in need of cleanup there, so if you ever need something to do, just look at this gigantic list. (I am currently reviewing the articles tagged with notability, either proving them notable or nominating for deletion; there are still several dozens left if you want to help!).
* did you know that newly created Poland-related articles are listed ]. They need to be reviewed, often cleaned-up, occasionally nominated for deletion, and their creators may need to be ] if they show promise as new authors of Poland-related content.
* we are maintaining a ]
* automated ] lists the most popular Poland-related pages from the previous month(s)
* Breaking news: we are looking for a ] for the New York City area. See ] for details.
This is not all; on our page you can find a list of useful templates (including userboxes), awards and other tools!


If you have any time and further interest to read these latvian websites and provide additional details in english for the wiki article about the history of the cemetery, please do so. Many thanks ! ] (]) 21:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


With all that said, how about you join our discussions at ]? Surely, there must be something you could help others with, or perhaps you are in need of assistance yourself?
Thank you for your message on my discussion page. I think the majority of information that is missing from the wiki article relates to what happened to the cemetery after 1939. For instance - when did the destruction begin ? what was the motivation given ? and even more imporatntly - why was the destruction stopped halfway? How come some graves were left ? ...and was this before or after it was turned into park and who decided to turn it into a park ? Any info for the time period after 1939 would be useful. ] (]) 13:37, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


It took me three years to finish this issue. Feel free to help out getting the next one before 2017 by being more active in WikiProject management :)
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== Hi Pēters == == Some baklava for you! ==


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: It's quite clear there is a large and vocal contingent that believes EEML was formed as a conspiracy (not), was your personal cabal (not), that circumstance proved intent (not), that kvetching proved intent to assault editors off-Wiki (not), et al. In my own case, I read Emails I "responded" to long after any of my edits. WP did not have the human decency to acknowledge that yes, I might have had other things to do than read Email, as in caring for my slowly dying mother. ''Metaphorically, if someone breaks into a bank, the assumption is that they are there to steal, not to head off the real robbers and protect the money.'' I ask, where is evidence of a single edit which was not reputably sourced, factual, and free of propaganda? There is no such evidence. Indeed, EEML's most vitriolic ethnic-hate-spewing critics insisted EEML had been around forever because they could discern no change in on-Wiki behavior.
: I can only suggest you continue in your quest, for these reasons:
:# you care about Misplaced Pages--where others do not;
:# you put Misplaced Pages to use in academia and encourage academia to participate and contribute--where others do not; and
:# lastly, your adminship nomination is the litmus test by which to judge if the poisonous attack-dog misanthropic atmosphere pervading WP and which drives editors away has improved; you've committed to do create content and to hold WP to an encyclopedic standard--where others do not.
: In every case, WP is better off with you--where with others it is not. ]<small> ►]</small> 23:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)


== Arvid Pelshe == ==WWII infobox==


As you have edited that page, you are welcome to participate in a discussion that is taking place at ]. Thank you. <small>]</small> ]<sup><small> ]</small></sup> 03:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Can u find of what illness ] suffered? I know he was ill for sometime before he died, but what disease he actually had? I didnt find yet...maybe u can help me please? thx ] ] ] 11:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


==] re-nominated for deletion==
:Hi. One more thing: Can u find (in latvian sources maybe) some information about his family members' names/birthdates? thanks ] ] ] 18:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Since you contributed to or were otherwise involved in the ], you may or may not wish to comment on the new afD nomination, found here: ] I intend on leaving this note to everyone who edited the first AFD and has not yet contributed to the new discussion or been otherwise notified. Thanks! :) ] ] ] 16:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


==Circassia again==
::Yes, Yelizaveta Suslova, was the sister of Pelshe's wife. but what was the name of Pelshe's wife? did they have children? ] ] ] 20:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
What do you make of all this? ] --] (]) 00:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
: Seems to me something on the periphery (Mir-Fattah) has been promoted to a central role. I left more general comments at the article, many thanks for your work in restoring (far) more scholarly content. ]<small> ►]</small> 14:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


== Questions: Classics of Russian military startegies ==
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Hello Vecrumba. How are you ? As you indicated your interest in military history, I come to you for your opionion. Do you know (any) Classic text or book written, with the original written in Russian or some native/local language which cover or overview Russian military strategies ? -- ] ] 16:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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:Unfortunately not. Most of my exposure to classic Russian military theory has come from the late Tsarist era via those Latvians who fought in Latvia's war of independence and who had served prior, with distinction, in the Tsarist army after graduating military training. For example, in the biography of Briedis we find the following:
::"In the autumn of 1905 Briedis had found a new aim - military service. The whole winter he had studied diligently and in the spring of 1906 he passed the entry examination for the Orel Cadet Corps. Next autumn he passed the competitive exam in St Petersburg for the Vladimir Junker School. Here he began a totally new life, quite different from the dreams of his childhood and early youth. This new life was harsh..."
: Schools such as the Vladimir Junker were for army cadets and also provided some secondary education. I would try to find out if there were any records of the specifics on the curricula taught in the 19th century--or earlier. Of course, that would be "original research" from Wikiepdia's standpoint, so while informative research, it wouldn't apply directly to writing articles.
: Particularly starting with Peter the Great, who was an avid student of military strategy, visiting Riga while under the Swedish and studying its fortifications, for example--and his "Westward" look to advance the standing of the Russian Empire, there are quite a number of works on the history and conduct of the Russian military, for example, here's a recent book which looks like it covers exactly the kind of information you would be looking for: .
: While web research is useful, my personal experience is that one excellent book on the topic, read cover to cover in hard copy so you can annotate and stick in bookmarks or sticky-notes is the wisest investment regardless of the cost. And every good book has a bibliography pointing to more sources. Hope this helps. :-)
: ]<small> ►]</small> 15:53, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


== A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!! to all ==


I do peek in from time to time, unfortunately, other projects including job hunting at the moment are taking priority. My warmest wishes to friends and foes (as long as they stick to reputable sources). ]<small> ►]</small> 18:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


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Per . ] 06:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


You have been wrong removing the POV tag.
:FYI: The notice is dismissed as one not coming from an uninvolved administrator --] (]) 08:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
*I have just found the description of the encyclopedia in the ''Censorship. Encyclopedia'' which existed in 2013. A western reader has to read many books to understand the encyclopedia.
*The list of editors is unsourced, I have added information about the murder of the three editors, who were subsequently ''edited'', both as editors and subjects.] (]) 08:25, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
** Benton's information all came from talking to the GSE editors. I removed your tags. Feel free to examine the source to add any information you feel should be added. Unfortunately my copy is currently packed away in storage. It's not good form to tag referenced content as not having references. Perhaps you're unclear on the purpose of the citation requested tag. Welcome to WP, good luck! ]<small> ►]</small> 23:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
** P.S. I see you've been editing for some time now. Apologies I don't have the source handy, when I do I'm glad to expand on Benton's conversations. ]<small> ►]</small>


== PLZ!!! ==
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"radio signals from Minsk to guide the Luftwaffe". PLZ GIVE SOURCES PLZ !!! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::: Alas, it was found I "'''badgered'''" Gatoclass for an apology. And that's now either uncivil, a personal attack, or an assumption of bad faith. I had rather hoped an apology on both sides (Gatoclass not realizing his actions and tactics, which I took great pains to explain the situation,... and at least for my part, I could then acknowledge I took his actions and tactics to be yet another "I don't like..." attack) would put this to bed. Apparently insisting too much that we attempt a course '''other than''' AfD, tagging, AN/I et al. is now "'''badgering'''." I had rather hoped Gatoclass would see the light (<u>or that some objective editor would assist and intervene privately</u>) that his conduct fit the now classical article attack mode ("I don't like...", tagging, AfD, AN/I, et al.). Personally, I believe it's quite pointless for Gatoclass to receive a warning as I don't think he still understands what happened or why unless it's explained to him in painful detail.
: My source was Jan Karski's book on Poland caught between Germany and the Soviet Union. I'll dig it out when I have a chance. ]<small> ►]</small> 01:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
::: As for myself, this has been an object lesson not to ask for an apology or to attempt to document to an editor the error, even if unintended, of their ways. Certainly not to insist on good behavior or explaining how conciliation works if that's what an editor really desires. I won't be asking or "'''badgering'''" for any more apologies. Nor will I bend over backwards to try and understand and explain to another editor the source of a situation gone bad. I spent far more time on this than it deserved and already suspected this would be the reward for my efforts in punish all sides Wikequality. Sorry, woke up on the cynical side of the bed again this morning. —] (]) 18:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::Alas, still in storage! ]<small> ►]</small> 04:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)


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::P.S. And please, I never ever "'''threatened'''" Gatoclass. I told him that the tack he was taking rarely works out well--a statement of fact--and he didn't believe me, and here we are. —] (]) 18:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi. I see you are listed as a member of a WikiProject of a Baltic state.
:: P.P.S. I did not see Gatoclass' last post before Thatcher closed and issued warnings. Too bad. I think we would have reconciled the situation and I strike my comment above about Gatoclass being rather clueless. So close to working things out but freeze the discussion and issue warnings to all. When it's patently obvious this wasn't the typical Eastern European editing problem situation. —] (]) 18:28, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if anybody who actively works on Estonian, Lithuanian or Latvian articles, would be interested in launching your own ], based on the ] and ]. The idea would be to try to bring about 1000 article improvements and creations on this region as an enjoyable challenge and potentially things like National Contests with prizes. If you'd be interested and think it's something you might regularly contribute to, comment and sign up at ]. If there is interest we can move this to a project somewhere and set something up, thanks. --] (]) 19:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Peter, take a break, sometimes argueing your point even when you are right does not work. There are many ways to skin a cat..:) ] (]) 18:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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== Soviet occupation of the Baltic States ==
: Just an afterthought, insistent, yes. If I stepped over the line to incivility, my sincere apologies and please feel free to Email me privately as to where I needed to be more gracious. —] (]) 22:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I wonder if you could help me with a question. I recently referred to the Latvian SSR as the Soviet occupation of Latvia, and someone asked me if there is any Misplaced Pages consensus about this. Do you know? Thanks ] (]) 17:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
It's neither here nor there. Everyone knows where I stand on why I think this happened. It's a bit ironic that we might have been on the verge of working through it after all. Water under the bridge. In the longer term, I don't have a good answer for how easily good faith turns to bad faith. But I do know that it's related to the the lesson I learned (debating Mauco on Transnistria), which is '''not''' enforced as policy, which is to allow articles to be disputed ONLY on misrepresentation of sources and/or use of non-reputable sources. The whole "tenditiously edited" accusation should be banned. If that's <u>truly</u> the case, then the sources in question on which an article is based on have <u>not</u> been <u>fairly represented</u> and one should be able to demonstrate that. —] (]) 21:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
: Hi, Yakikaki - There is no question of a consensus. Latvia was invaded and occupied by the Soviet Union, illegally annexed, then invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany, then re-invaded/re-captured by the Soviet Union. You may be interested to know that the Latvian Legation in exile continued to represent Latvia's sovereign de jure interests, plenipotentiary power having been transferred to Kārlis Zariņš (aka Charles Zarine) in London. Anatols Dinbergs was Latvia's sovereign representative at the time independence was restored; there was a formal ceremony transferring sovereign authority back to the local Latvian authority. Russia maintains that Latvia joined Russia willingly and legally according to international law. That is simply false, not an alternate valid opinion. Hope this helps! ]<small> ►]</small> 01:52, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you very much for taking the time to give this excellent answer. Kind regards,] (]) 07:21, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
::: Glad to help. Thank you for your work on the Wiki Challenge! :-) ]<small> ►]</small> 04:31, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


== Bulldozers == == Hindsight is 2020 ==
Probably you don’t know what many of responsible in 1929-33 crimes was imprisoned and sentences for death in 1937-38. Many of directly responsible in Great Purge crimes was sentences for death in 1939-41 ect. etc. Stalin and Stalinsm was condemned by CPSU in 1956, many prominenent Stalinist were imprisoned and even sentences to death in 1953-56.
As regards the “occupation” – I knew only one long lasting occupation in present time it’s Palestine and Jerusalem (accordingly to UN definitions) – you can see a differences in methods , as regarding to post war Baltic/Eastern European – it’s more deserve a modern term “friendly acquire” and no “more 22 of June” measures.
You should also take into account the number of media sources in US and USSR – 1 page for billions of pages and 1 row for millions – so both can be assumed as suppressions.
As regarding to Beria GULAG (Instead of Yezhov and Yagoda)– statistic almost complete and published – so numbers are known (and not millions instead of someone would like to state).
As claims “victims in mass graves using bulldozers acquired through the U.S.' lend-lease program” you can check does US supply to USSR (unknown military utility thing), if even yes – you can check how many was returned back (I assume you know what “lease” word means).
If you mentioned as bulldozers some number of converted by Soviet M4A2 “Sherman” (turret removal) used in wood industry at Far East – it’s easily to check the figures on mortality at this region – as “mass graves” requires “mass victims”. ] (]) 19:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


Still dropping in occasionally to look up past areas of interest. Too many off-Wiki projects{{mdash}}likely to continue as such for the next year or two. My current "topical" projects focus on the Latvian Legion and the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Latvia. ]<small> ►]</small> 00:51, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
: I don't think anyone outside Russia would characterize the USSR's takeover of the Baltics as a friendly acquire. It was a 50 year occupation. While the Duma has proclaimed that Latvia joined the USSR legally (which would, of course, mean no occupation), neither the Duma nor the Foreign Ministry have produced one shred of evidence to support that contention.
: &nbsp;&nbsp; I am quite aware of all the various show trials conducted in the Soviet Union... you're not suggesting these were real trials? As for Khrushchev's condemnation of Stalin, well, Khrushchev was one of Stalin's most trusted and ruthless lieutenants, so Nikita was only condemning himself in the process. More politics.
: &nbsp;&nbsp; You've obviously spent considerable effort in reviewing Soviet sources, and it is all fascinating and valuable (regardless of veracity) information. But what are you using as your filter of verifiability? —] (]) 21:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


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: P.S. I'm not discounting your sources out of hand, but I am suggesting that whatever it is they maintain requires further verification. —] (]) 03:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


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* Once again - please see occupants action in occupied territories and same in USSR after 1953. 10 years at prison or bullet in head - so virtual things, really politics?. Anyway does the fact exist? Once again - what about "'''bulldozers acquired through the U.S.' lend-lease program'''" - could you give me a favour - please state the a US number - I compared it with soviet "wrong" sources. ] (]) 06:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
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I'm glad, that you've paid attention to the article I've started. However, I have to express a lot of objections, the most essential being: 1. The subjects of this article - nepilsoņi in Latvian law - aren't all "individuals who are not citizens of Latvia or any other state and permanently reside in Latvia", as you write, but only subjects of 1995 Law on the Status of those Former USSR Citizens who do not Possess Citizenship of Latvia or Citizenship of any Other Country. Your definition would include also ''bezvalstnieki'' (subjects of ''Bezvalstnieku likums''), people with differing status. 2. The file on minelres.lv, which you have used, is out-of-date in some fields; as you can see, all the documents mentioned there are from the previous century. 3. Military service isn't compulsory for Latvian citizens anymore (since 2005-2006). See mod.gov.lv. ] (]) 02:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


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: In the documents I've read, "nepilsoņi" (resident aliens) have been described as including subjects of 1995 Law on the Status of those Former USSR Citizens who do not Possess Citizenship of Latvia or Citizenship of any Other Country--so that is, with reference to nepilsoņi who come under the category of Former USSR... there are special rules.
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: &nbsp;&nbsp;With reference to the mnelres.lv file and military service, I obviously missed the latest sources, please feel free to update, or I'll get to it in the next couple of days. We would still need to make the point that until such-and-such date there was a disincentive for younger candidates to apply for citizenship because they would become eligible for (then) required military service. Paldies! —] (]) 03:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::''Bezvalstnieks'' (classical stateless person under and Latvian ) is '''never''' ''nepilsonis'' (a special group in Latvian, regulated by , where they're called "former USSR citizens..."). All the article (and the same, but more expanded, in Latvian and especially Russian) was written about ''nepilsoņi'', with their number, status etc. Now you've changed the definition including ''bezvalstnieki'', and it contradicts most of the article and usage of term non-citizens (nepilsoņi) in Latvian case.


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::: I have to leave heavier reading for the weekend, but the current ''nepilsonības likums'' struck all language having to do with passports as of May 20, 2004. —] (]) 15:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


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Thank you for your note. My boyfriend grew up in the former Soviet Union (of Russian extraction, from the Donbass) and is a bit agitated by the word Bolshevik (preferring to call everything right through from start to finish "Soviet") but then again it helps to have some advice on what people generally think. Perhaps we were a little overzealous. By the way, we hope we don't make too many edits with which people are unhappy, he and I both regard the Baltic States as homes-away-from-home and so are trying to help improve the English of some of the articles. That's why we are probably too bold when it comes to some early terminology. ] (]) 16:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 213, January 2024 ==
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I could not detect what was wrong in what Irpen has done, from your original comment. He had recently likewise removed a similarly by an editor he doesn't seem to "protect".


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 214, February 2024 ==
: I'm only a member of a "group" by associations created by others... I just stick to sources. :-) I should mention that I told Irpen I hoped his in the Holodomor discussion signified support of a less contentious 2008.
: &nbsp;&nbsp; Actually Irpen does apply his personal article editing standards uniformly whether it's the Baltics or closer to home (Ukraine). Where we differ is in the results of our readings and understandings of sources having to do with Soviet conduct. Irpen's empirically tend to be kinder than mine.
: &nbsp;&nbsp;For example, on Holodomor:
:* I made an putting the interest of Soviet leadership in famine relief into what I thought was a more appropriate characterization (that is, it was one particular instance).
:* Grafikm_fr (whom I have locked horns with) reverted per Jo0doe's (rather poorly worded) "objection on talk"--I had no appetite for a revert war with an editor who had stated that the majority of Latvians were happy to pick up German rifles to slaughter Jews or others who would also support his revert
:* Some time later I returned with , this time of an . I did not agree with the phrase "''Documentary evidence confirms the cases when the Soviet leadership expressed even personal interest in ensuring the aid distribution.''"
:* Irpen then with details of the specific incident of personal interest, eliminating "many requests even from senior party officials were rejected" of my edit, and chiding me for <u>writing something that wasn't in the source</u> ("please don't add info to the sentence referenced to a source that is just not there")
:Well, at this point I was rather stuck, as what I had was a scholarly review of the D&W text indicating what was in the text, not the text itself. As I was rather having some difficulty reconciling Irpen's characterization with the review I read, I finally plunked down well over $100 to buy the book and see what it said. Well, right on the next page was essentially what Irpen had removed of my edit stating it didn't exist. And so...
:* this time citing the next page in the text.
: &nbsp;&nbsp;Just another expensive ($) Wikiday!
: &nbsp;&nbsp; As I've said elsewhere, there is much of "Soviet achievement" that it's right to be proud of. However, there is much that does not fall into that category.
: &nbsp;&nbsp; And so the bright side of all this, now having all sorts of the most interesting and expert references, having bought them in the hope they would let me have the last (undisputable) word. :-) —] (]) 20:34, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
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I can't comment on the entire essay, just several points. I have the book. If Vecrumba wanted to see it, he did not need to spend $100. He could have just asked, most of the relevant info is between pp. 204 and 230. Not too much to scan and share but, obviously, cannot be publicly posted.
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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 215, March 2024 ==
Vecrumba's edit was factually false, the original (I reverted) and the latter that I have not yet dealt with because of the lack of time. In this very book one can find: a May 31 loan given in response to Kosior's and Chubar's telegram (bottom 216 top page 217). Page 218 right after the Vecrumba-cited "rejection" by Chernov cites allocation of another 19,000 tons of seed grain aid in response to Kosior's telegram. I am just too tired or too busy sometimes to immediately deal with tendentious and distorting edits. I will take care of this soon.


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Next, about Soviet "achievements", does not even warrant a response. I am not sentimental about Soviet achievements in any way.
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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 216, April 2024 ==
The claim that I removed JoeDoe's excesses because I "protect" him is bizarre. Firstly, I similarly removed Dpotop's offensive stuff in a different incident. Second, although I think Joe brings much useful info, I was actually trying to "protect", if Vecrumba wants to use this word, his opponent, Faustian with who I productively collaborated for a very long time from inappropriate statements.


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I can't promise to respond to each and every new bizarre assertion about me. Unlike some, I just don't have time and interest to follow people around and deride them or comment and object to whatever they are doing. I stumbled into this thread merely by accident. Vecrumba's talk archive indeed demonstrate the kind of unfortunate attitude we have to deal with at Misplaced Pages. Illythr was apt in noticing that. This won't end it though and I am sure more comments in familiar light are coming. --] 08:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 217, May 2024 ==
:: Hello, Irpen. My edit was not "factually false"--this is precisely my point that we genuinely disagree on editorial interpretation. D&W themselves indicate the Sholokhov incident was the only one where aid was provided and in the amount requested, many more were partially filled or not at all. I appreciate that you are seeking to reputably represent the material in D&W that talks about aid during the famine and that aid did occur. But you can't omit that in lots of cases plea went unanswered. These are <u>'''D&W's own words'''</u> summarizing the situation--your editorial interpretation of how you read D&W <u>cannot</u> take precedent.
:: &nbsp;&nbsp; My point on Soviet achievements was that at the end of the day, when either of us represents Soviet actions from the same sources, my results tend to be less favorable—that may not be the correct word—than yours. I'm glad you indicate this difference in results is not the result of any sentimentality.
:: &nbsp;&nbsp; As for your removal of unfortunate comments, I applaud your intent but don't believe you should be a self-appointed censor (my perspective on how I would see myself were I to do so) editing other editors' entries in talk (typos, misspellings, a terrible grammar error not included). It is not your prerogative to choose to clean up some comments versus to dispute/assault others. From my perspective, that connotes a lack of impartiality. When it comes to expressing your own views, whether personal or editorial, you are free to express yourself as you see fit. When it comes to editing the expressions of others, you do not have that same freedom. That you feel you have that freedom concerns me, that is not something I would have the editorial hubris (I'm using that word solely from my perspective on how I would view my actions in that regard, your results obviously differ) to do.
:: &nbsp;&nbsp; Please feel free to discuss anything anytime. From my perspective, I don't have an attitude, as I'm sure is the case for yourself. Since we both look upon our own attitudes positively, perhaps we can work on improving our mutual outlooks. (Illythr, I'll take a look later at AFD you mention.)—] (]) 14:13, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


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Wanted to ask for a while - what's столични? A Bulgarian dish of some kind? --] (]) 19:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 219, July 2024 ==
==Holodomor book==
: &nbsp;&nbsp;The book review of D&W gives the book all the kudos it deserves. That said, there are things it is not. A prime example is the bit which others and I editorially choose to summarize differently--earlier summaries featured "Stalin even taking a personal interest":
:* aid granted in some cases (we've only got the <u>'''one'''</u> case where the aid requested was given in the amount requested), some aid in other cases, no aid in many cases
:* <u>'''intentionally no insight into the decision process'''</u> of who got all / some / or no aid of that requested
: Where decision processes and motivations and intent are concerned, one has to look to other references. The crux: when Stalin told Churchill how many millions of lives collectivization cost (9 or 10 million, I forget which), did Stalin consider that loss of life merely collateral damage? and where did the famine factor in all of that? did he really care about any of the victims? did he choose to focus where the damage was directed or restricted to? When the Ukrainians seeking food to the north were turned back, was it to contain the spread of famine or to insure the Ukrainians (who had resisted collectivization) conveniently expired, teaching them all a lesson?
: &nbsp;&nbsp; D&W don't say, nor should anyone interpret D&W in their own reading as saying anything about it (as in "personal interests" implied to be concern). While the tsars and Lenin admitted to famine and got aid, Stalin didn't--certainly calling interpretations of actions as his caring into question. Between poor planning and no request for outside assistance it's fair to characterize the Great Famine as "man-made." I have my own personal opinion on genocide or not, but the bottom line is there's still no smoking gun, nor will there as long as there are still files in secret archives. (Not that a regime that lied regularly can be expected to not also lie in its archives... but that's another topic.) —] (]) 01:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


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== ''The Bugle'': Issue 220, August 2024 ==
::: In all honesty, I need to (re-)read D&W very carefully from cover to cover. There are two different questions here:
:::* ''Do D&W really utterly destroy all the myths?'' No. It's not possible for their text to do that as they do not investigate the decision making process nor possible motivations, ''by design''. Anyone who contends D&W do destroy myths is reading the lack of information regarding deliberateness (if that's a word) as the lack of deliberateness itself.
:::* ''Natural vs. man-made vs. deliberate''
:::*# The Great Famine most certainly was not simply a consequence of an act of nature. (Though Tauger appears to go here, a different topic--what I've read hasn't impressed.)
:::*# The Great Famine was certainly was man-made. From the collectivization campaign through official Soviet denial of the famine (in stark contrast to requesting aid in the past), there were many decisions from Stalin on down to the regional commune authorities that directly contributed to the final tragic result.
:::*# Was the Great Famine deliberate?
:::*#* The "myth destroyers" say no, stopping at man-made (#2), tragic, unfortunate, etc. and point to the fact that, as aid was provided though in insufficient quantities, that more than just Ukrainians died, it proves that all famine-related deaths were unintentional, hence no genocide
:::*#* The proponents of genocide point to
:::*#*# The collectivization campaign, its particular impact on the Ukraine, the resistance by the Ukraine
:::*#*# Stalin's own words as to how many died in his collectivization campaign (so, collectivization campaign = Stalin = cause, result = death, enough to account for the death toll in the Ukraine and millions upon millions more)
:::*#*# Stalin's denial of the Great Famine (no outside aid)
:::*#*# Stalin's restriction of the Ukrainians to their famine/death zone, enforcement of requisitions of grain which left nothing to eat or sow for the next season, ...
::: So, did Stalin, at the outset, sit down one day and hatch a plan to eradicate the Ukrainians? We don't know. Even though there are still documents remaining to be declassified, we will probably never know. Do I think it's possible? Given that at one point Stalin ordered ethnic Latvians to be shot simply for being Latvian, perhaps.
::: &nbsp;&nbsp; Did Stalin take a particular disliking to the Ukrainians as they resisted collectivization? Don't know, but likely. (And this is an area where perhaps some Stalin quotes could be tracked down for the article.)
::: &nbsp;&nbsp; As the famine developed, did Stalin take actions which focused and exacerbated its toll on the Ukrainians? Thus making its effects deliberate--and therefore genocide? Multiple orders turning back/restricting Ukrainians to famine zones (subject to being shot), Stalin's denial of the famine while it was happening thus preventing outside aid,... one doesn't need to be Ukrainian to consider that those two actions alone are "proof" enough, regardless of whatever aid did make it through to victims.
::: &nbsp;&nbsp; What do I believe personally? Stalin was a monster to whom human life meant nothing. It's good propaganda (and insurance) to portray oneself as attempting to at least save the children (we all know Stalin's "Papa Stalin" picture portrait fetish)--I don't consider that aid was provided as proof of any particular motivation. Indeed, the whole Sholokhov incident doesn't prove Stalin's personal interest in saving lives as some editors have contended, it just means Stalin liked Sholokhov and his home town that particular day. It's rather telling that Stalin executed the statisticians reporting population loss (not good for propaganda extolling the accomplishments of collectivization) instead of executing bureaucratic incompetents, don't you think? —] (]) 14:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


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I've been busy on web site projects for some months now, but am back "on a limited basis". A belated Merry Christmas and best wishes for a Happy New Year, especially to my Eastern/Central/Baltic Europe editorial compatriots! :-)

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Among other projects, I've relaunched LATVIANS.COM and CFBH.ORG (Center for Baltic Heritage) with consolidated and updated content and usability improvements @ LATVIANS.COM. I've also relaunched LATVIANAVIATION.COM, the site of my dear departed friend Gunars Zulis, with much improved navigation,. In case you thought I was on a beach somewhere sipping margaritas, alas, I only wish! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 03:23, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Laimīgu Jauno gadu! It's good to see you back (even if only in a limited capacity). You're intelligence, analytical abilities and constructive criticism is a precious commodity, particularly for those of us still on a learning curve trying to smack down the "too many years working as a researcher" monkey on our backs. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hello

Unfortunately, I was in Latvia in 2011 and now I not remember :(

Best regards --Pudelek (talk) 17:40, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your note! Z szacunkiem, VєсrumЬа ►TALK 17:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Police in Nazi-occupied Latvia

Could you confirm that the recently redirected Latvian Auxiliary Police and the Latvian Police Battalions refer to the same subject? While the stories seem to fit more or less, there are some important details that suggest a difference (volunteers vs volunteers and conscripts; participation in Holocaust). Should the redirection be reverted, or should sourced information from the former be moved to the latter? Thank you, and I hope you have a happy new year! Anonimu (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Anonimu. The Hilfspolizei (reported to the Sicherheitsfienst, SD) were not the Schutzmannschaft were not the Hilfs+polizei--that is, local "auxiliary" police but not reporting to the SD in collaborating in the Holocaust, unfortunately the same noun in German. Under no circumstances should those be merged. Looking forward to a more collaborative 2014. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 00:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProject Poland Newsletter • January 2014 • Issue II
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Welcome to the second issue of WikiProject Poland newsletter, the Monitor (named after the first Polish newspaper).

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I am fresh out of wiki kittens; please accept this cake as a thank you for your support and thoughtful comments during my (now withdrawn) RfA. What doesn't kill us... Cheers, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
It's quite clear there is a large and vocal contingent that believes EEML was formed as a conspiracy (not), was your personal cabal (not), that circumstance proved intent (not), that kvetching proved intent to assault editors off-Wiki (not), et al. In my own case, I read Emails I "responded" to long after any of my edits. WP did not have the human decency to acknowledge that yes, I might have had other things to do than read Email, as in caring for my slowly dying mother. Metaphorically, if someone breaks into a bank, the assumption is that they are there to steal, not to head off the real robbers and protect the money. I ask, where is evidence of a single edit which was not reputably sourced, factual, and free of propaganda? There is no such evidence. Indeed, EEML's most vitriolic ethnic-hate-spewing critics insisted EEML had been around forever because they could discern no change in on-Wiki behavior.
I can only suggest you continue in your quest, for these reasons:
  1. you care about Misplaced Pages--where others do not;
  2. you put Misplaced Pages to use in academia and encourage academia to participate and contribute--where others do not; and
  3. lastly, your adminship nomination is the litmus test by which to judge if the poisonous attack-dog misanthropic atmosphere pervading WP and which drives editors away has improved; you've committed to do create content and to hold WP to an encyclopedic standard--where others do not.
In every case, WP is better off with you--where with others it is not. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 23:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

WWII infobox

As you have edited that page, you are welcome to participate in a discussion that is taking place at Template_talk:WW2InfoBox#Allies. Thank you. victor falk 03:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Jews and Communism re-nominated for deletion

Since you contributed to or were otherwise involved in the original afD nomination, you may or may not wish to comment on the new afD nomination, found here: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jews and Communism (2nd nomination) I intend on leaving this note to everyone who edited the first AFD and has not yet contributed to the new discussion or been otherwise notified. Thanks! :) Flipandflopped (Discuss, Contribs) 16:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Circassia again

What do you make of all this? ] --Yalens (talk) 00:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Seems to me something on the periphery (Mir-Fattah) has been promoted to a central role. I left more general comments at the article, many thanks for your work in restoring (far) more scholarly content. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 14:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Questions: Classics of Russian military startegies

Hello Vecrumba. How are you ? As you indicated your interest in military history, I come to you for your opionion. Do you know (any) Classic text or book written, with the original written in Russian or some native/local language which cover or overview Russian military strategies ? -- Ktsquare (talk) 16:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. Most of my exposure to classic Russian military theory has come from the late Tsarist era via those Latvians who fought in Latvia's war of independence and who had served prior, with distinction, in the Tsarist army after graduating military training. For example, in the biography of Briedis we find the following:
"In the autumn of 1905 Briedis had found a new aim - military service. The whole winter he had studied diligently and in the spring of 1906 he passed the entry examination for the Orel Cadet Corps. Next autumn he passed the competitive exam in St Petersburg for the Vladimir Junker School. Here he began a totally new life, quite different from the dreams of his childhood and early youth. This new life was harsh..."
Schools such as the Vladimir Junker were for army cadets and also provided some secondary education. I would try to find out if there were any records of the specifics on the curricula taught in the 19th century--or earlier. Of course, that would be "original research" from Wikiepdia's standpoint, so while informative research, it wouldn't apply directly to writing articles.
Particularly starting with Peter the Great, who was an avid student of military strategy, visiting Riga while under the Swedish and studying its fortifications, for example--and his "Westward" look to advance the standing of the Russian Empire, there are quite a number of works on the history and conduct of the Russian military, for example, here's a recent book which looks like it covers exactly the kind of information you would be looking for: Reforming the Tsar's Army: Military Innovation in Imperial Russia from Peter the Great to the Revolution.
While web research is useful, my personal experience is that one excellent book on the topic, read cover to cover in hard copy so you can annotate and stick in bookmarks or sticky-notes is the wisest investment regardless of the cost. And every good book has a bibliography pointing to more sources. Hope this helps. :-)
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A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!! to all

I do peek in from time to time, unfortunately, other projects including job hunting at the moment are taking priority. My warmest wishes to friends and foes (as long as they stick to reputable sources). VєсrumЬа ►TALK 18:36, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Great Soviet Encyclopedia

You have been wrong removing the POV tag.

  • I have just found the description of the encyclopedia in the Censorship. Encyclopedia which existed in 2013. A western reader has to read many books to understand the encyclopedia.
  • The list of editors is unsourced, I have added information about the murder of the three editors, who were subsequently edited, both as editors and subjects.Xx236 (talk) 08:25, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Benton's information all came from talking to the GSE editors. I removed your tags. Feel free to examine the source to add any information you feel should be added. Unfortunately my copy is currently packed away in storage. It's not good form to tag referenced content as not having references. Perhaps you're unclear on the purpose of the citation requested tag. Welcome to WP, good luck! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 23:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
    • P.S. I see you've been editing for some time now. Apologies I don't have the source handy, when I do I'm glad to expand on Benton's conversations. VєсrumЬа ►TALK

PLZ!!!

"radio signals from Minsk to guide the Luftwaffe". PLZ GIVE SOURCES PLZ !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeutralRusName (talk • contribs) 16:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

My source was Jan Karski's book on Poland caught between Germany and the Soviet Union. I'll dig it out when I have a chance. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 01:59, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Alas, still in storage! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 04:16, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

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Soviet occupation of the Baltic States

Hi, I wonder if you could help me with a question. I recently referred to the Latvian SSR as the Soviet occupation of Latvia, and someone asked me if there is any Misplaced Pages consensus about this. Do you know? Thanks Yakikaki (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Yakikaki - There is no question of a consensus. Latvia was invaded and occupied by the Soviet Union, illegally annexed, then invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany, then re-invaded/re-captured by the Soviet Union. You may be interested to know that the Latvian Legation in exile continued to represent Latvia's sovereign de jure interests, plenipotentiary power having been transferred to Kārlis Zariņš (aka Charles Zarine) in London. Anatols Dinbergs was Latvia's sovereign representative at the time independence was restored; there was a formal ceremony transferring sovereign authority back to the local Latvian authority. Russia maintains that Latvia joined Russia willingly and legally according to international law. That is simply false, not an alternate valid opinion. Hope this helps! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 01:52, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much for taking the time to give this excellent answer. Kind regards,Yakikaki (talk) 07:21, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Glad to help. Thank you for your work on the Wiki Challenge! :-) VєсrumЬа ►TALK 04:31, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Hindsight is 2020

Still dropping in occasionally to look up past areas of interest. Too many off-Wiki projects—likely to continue as such for the next year or two. My current "topical" projects focus on the Latvian Legion and the Holocaust in Nazi-occupied Latvia. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 00:51, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Nice to meet you

I've just edited the text and and this ref in Katyn massacre and saw your name in the ref. Lembit Staan (talk) 01:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Cześć! Apologies that I have not been around much the past few years. For the Lettophiles watching, I do hope to get back to the History of Riga by some time next year. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 18:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Apologies I have been away from Misplaced Pages for some time, life gets in the way. I hope all the Ukrainian editors I came to work with and respect are keeping safe at this time of Russia's unprecedented assault on the world order at the heart of, against the heart of, Europe: Ukraine. Слава Україні! VєсrumЬа ►TALK 06:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 208, August 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 209, September 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 210, October 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 211, November 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 212, December 2023

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The Bugle: Issue 213, January 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 214, February 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 215, March 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 217, May 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 218, June 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 219, July 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 220, August 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 221, September 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 222, October 2024

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The Bugle: Issue 223, November 2024

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