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| '''This page has been superseded. If you have current concerns or want to participate in the subject matter, go to ].''' | |||
| Our current status is somewhat inactive, with having an absent group leader and such. However, I'll be watching over this page. ] (]) 23:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| :Not really inactive, as the Project is just beginning. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 00:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Fine, just the 2 of us. But our leader is currently working on his thesis, we'll be active again this summer. ] (]) 03:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
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| This WikiProject may have some virtues, but it now reads like a massive promotional statement for the GRG. This is completely against Misplaced Pages policies. The collage must be removed. Indeed it would be best to remove all mention of the GRG. I also have concerns that you have a project leader who is on a long term block. He can hardly lead if he can not edit. I do not see that he has agreed to be Project Leader on wikipedia either. I hope that you realise that most projects do not have leaders or coordinates. Some of the images seem to have license concerns and if these are not resolved, then the collage has licence concerns also. It also reads as if you think you own articles. This is against ]. --] (]) 05:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Right, I don't think we want to spam/advertise anything. Which is why we don't list any urls in the page. We merely only link the word ] which links to the Misplaced Pages article. Our project leader, politically, has no power on Misplaced Pages. This place came as a result of not having members having to post on everyone's talk page regarding articles for deletion, which would be canvassing. So the logical thing to do was have a WikiProject page for announcements. (NealIRC) | |||
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| ::It is spam/advertising and indicates a link that is a conflict of interest. It must go. You can add the link to ] as one of the articles you aim to support. --] (]) 22:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Okay, will remove the link. ] (]) 22:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
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| ==Article alerts== | |||
| :At 1 time, Robert Young, the group leader on his Yahoo board, would announce to his board about which articles were nominated for deletion, and even which admins nominated them, which could be outside-jurisdiction harassment to those admins. And you know what? When WP:ANI or any admin wants to confirm this, he would ban them from his group. Therefore, I felt it necessary to start grounds on Misplaced Pages for this. That way, we are directly under the watch of WP:ANI / Misplaced Pages admins. Besides that, he also used his own board for some good things, such as when articles were vandalized, with racial slurs. Do note that R. Young's block did involve "canvassing" via using his own group. We do have Misplaced Pages admins undercover watching his group, so there should be no problem moving the Misplaced Pages portion-posts to here. (NealIRC) | |||
| I can't figure out how to add this to the article alerts subsection.] | |||
| ::"This project, is of course, for the 'Wikipedians' of Ryoung122's Yahoo group". That is unacceptable. WikiProjects should not be linked to outside groups and are open to all editors who want to help with articles on a specific topics or series of topics. --] (]) 22:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ] ] Cheers. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 14:56, 4 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :::Well, of course, it is open to all of Misplaced Pages. We don't have the choice to not allow who to come in or not. ] (]) 22:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| :It's already there. Never mind. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 14:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ==A problem of numbers== | |||
| :This project, is of course, for the 'Wikipedians' of Ryoung122's Yahoo group. I pre-maturely started this group before his 2nd unblock request, which he will do this summer. Maybe I created it too early. If Robert Young wants to come back to Misplaced Pages via his 2nd unblock request, I'm sure some admins will want him to cooperate and not canvass via his own group. This place should (help) solve that problem. (NealIRC) | |||
| Forewarned is forearmed. | |||
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| All wikipedians are equal, but some are more equal than others. | |||
| Do the math. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 21:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
| : deny any bad intent to not count the votes properly. Of course, they say there was no !vote. And they promise that another deletion is on the way. ]. ]. Rigged system. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 13:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ::For those of you who feel your articles about to go extinct, see . <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">] (])</span> 18:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
| :::Dramatic enough, or was there more coming? If you have a problem with ], say so there and start a conversation. On this page you're howling into the void. ] (]) 19:08, 6 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
| ==Jeanne Calment== | |||
| :I just added the GRG collage since I thought it was cute. The Yahoo group started as a board explicitly for supercentenrians, in which the GRG only allowed scientists and people with degrees. (NealIRC) | |||
| I will be posting various messages from ] here in an attempt to cast as wide as possible a net to broaden our discussions there. Any discussions should take place at that Wikiproject, as it has superseded this one. The messages I post here are for the benefit of the 50 users watching this page and should serve as an invitation for them to join WP:Longevity and participate in the discussions there. | |||
| :No, we don't own articles, I just started a "Articles We Cover" section just to list for our own organization. I really don't care to add any button to the articles that point to this group, such as "this article is under the scope of.. <our group>." I know AMK152 has been doing some of that, but I don't quite support it. ] (]) 12:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::It's for a purpose of article Assessment. As this WikiProject's goal is basically to improve the World's Oldest People articles, it would help to know which articles need improving, which articles are close to becoming good/featured/etc. and if an article is about to be deleted, and we have the WikiProject banner on the article's talk page, usually someone will go to the WikiProject's talk page and notify people. Over 1,300 Projects are doing this and there's nothing wrong with it. We can just simply organize and see a list of the status of the articles. And we're not ownign the articles by doing this, we're just a WikiProject with goals for a particular group of articles like all the other projects. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 18:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ] is perfectly correct. It is fine to add a project template to the talk page of articles that the project is interested in. It also allows article assessment and he has done a great job on it. --] (]) 22:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Right, by not supporting it, I also meant I was not against it. ] (]) 22:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| There is currently an ongoing discussion and vote about whether or not there is an age dispute surrounding Jeanne Calment worth mentioning on the ]. All interested editors can join the discussion here: ]. ] (]) 16:49, 4 July 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ==Purpose of Images== | |||
| I don't understand the purpose of member's pictures. If someone wanted to know what a person looked like, wouldn't they just go look for it on one person's user page? -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 18:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Sounds like something on the individual level to be worried about. ;/ ] (]) 18:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::Still, is having these pictures here helping us expand, update, and improve articles in regards to the World's Oldest People? -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Wow, this has nothing to do with what you said. The point of those images were not to help us expand, update, and improve articles in regards to the world's oldest people. But you knew that. ] (]) 19:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::::Yes, it is. But I'm trying to figure out the purpose of the images. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Same purpose as in why any other images exist on articles. -_- ] (]) 19:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::::::There are many different purposes for images. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::That's very true, but as you asked, the images do not actually "help us expand, update, and improve articles in regards to the world's oldest people." ] (]) 19:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::::::::I don't understand why we're not gettign anywhere. How about this. "Why did you include the images of some of the members of the WikiProject on the Project page?" -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Hm, good question. So they know what we look like. ] (]) 19:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::::::::::Seriously? -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::Yup. ;) ] (]) 19:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| == Request for information on WP1.0 web tool == | |||
| I know of no other WikiProject that has images of its members on the project page. It is certainly not common. I also note that some of these images have license issues on Commons. --] (]) 22:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed. I removed them to prevent license issues. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 02:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Group Leader?== | |||
| Per ], we shouldn't have a leadership committee or whatever. We work collaborately. Projects can be deleted for doing this. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :I know I know, he's a leader in our heads. You're not inclined to follow him, especially since I don't think you're a member of our Yahoo board. We came as a result of his Yahoo board. ] (]) 19:07, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
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| ::But actually saying that he is the "Group Leader" may actually make people think he is the "group leader." Yes, it is important to know that he is part of the GRG, and this fact can be provided to inform people that he has more knowledge in that particular field. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Right. ] (]) 19:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::::Okay then. We have consensus. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::(After revert) And by removing the title, "group leader," that contradicts people actually thinking he is the "group leader." ] (]) 19:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| Let me just make this clear 1 more time so you don't go about reverting that edit for a 2nd time. It simply says he is the "group leader." It does not say he has power over the group. It does not say he has administrative authority over the group. It does not even say he is a Misplaced Pages administrator. It simply says he is in charge. He is a leader by consent. That means anyone whom has a dispute over something in the group can go to him. Back before he was blocked, we voluntarily edited the articles. Now this page serves as an announcements section so we know what's up. That means anyone whom wants to know about which of our articles are nominated for deletion and such can come here. | |||
| In any event, none of the WikiProjects I know of, have members that join in and change the layout of the project page themselves. Sigh. ] (]) 20:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| :What?? Changing the layout and content of the Project pages is what members of the Project are here for. This is Misplaced Pages - the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. You do not own this page, Neal. On the Group Leader stuff, I have two points. First, some projects have a Lead coordinator. A good example is the Military History Project and later, but still a long time ago, the ] followed. I do not think it is acceptable to have a Project leader and certainly not a Group Leader. Second, in particular a blocked editor can not coordinate the project because he can not edit. --] (]) 22:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, project leader, group leader, wikiproject group leader, pretty much same thing, different working. Right, I kind of pre-maturely created this. This is why I labeled this group as inactive. ] (]) 22:33, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ==Project Point: Educating?== | |||
| *Are we seriously going around telling people about Supercentenarians and aging and stuff like that? That's not what WikiProject's do. I though we were going around improving the articles. If the Project members were actually teaching people, we would go to their talk pages and tell them about the subject. Or perhaps you mean by the actual articles that tell people about the subject. WE educating people sounds like WE ] that articles we use to "educate." -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| **No, the people do. Robert Young said on his WOP group that his #1 goal is to education people about human longevity. And he uses Misplaced Pages as a medium for that too. Even I like to educate people about human longevity. No, we don't own the articles, we edit them. ..Don't worry about it. ] (]) 19:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ***Yes, the articles are educating people. It does still sound like ]. Perhaps we need a third party's opinion? -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| **** *We* - as in, the people of the group. Or the people that *founded* the group. Not every individual whom manually joins us has to agree to that philosophy. I understand you found us through Misplaced Pages and don't know much about us. ] (]) 19:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ***** 2 Questions: | |||
| *****Are you referring to the "group" as in the Yahoo Group? | |||
| *****Are you referring to "us" as in the members of the said group? | |||
| *****-<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ******Well, in that case, it doesn't matter, because we're on both this group and Yahoo group. So both. Us as in the people. ] (]) 19:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| What Robert Young does on his web pages has nothing to do with what should go on here. It looks to me like your are trying to link this WP Project to an outside Group and deter editors who are not members of that outside Group to participate in the WikiProject. This is unacceptable. I also note that you describe the GRC as "Our parent company". Really? This is indicating a gross conflict of interest and is simply not allowed. It has to be removed. --] (]) 22:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Right, Robert created his Yahoo group because his parent company, GRG, only allows scientists in their news letter or so. I use the words Gerontology Research Group so we know where our source is - so we do have some sort of a reputable reliable source. ] (]) 22:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ==Am I misunderstanding this?== | |||
| *Is this just a group to teach people about the World's Oldest People? Did I mistakenly assume this was a Project to improve, expand, and update the articles? I assumed it was the second one, because I have been trying to shape this into a Project, but apparently there is conflict. The title has "WikiProject" in it and I hope I assumed correctly. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| **Also yes, and yes. But you're also expanding and deleting and removing comments in the project page itself. You're welcome to contribute to the articles which everyone has default control over it. But whether or not you come to the WikiProject to edit and edit content of the project itself is something else.. In any event, I do appreciate you *adding* the project assesment, showing all the grade high medium low class articles, etc. As well as tagging. But I don't need you changing our philosophies or appreciate you editing our goals when you know little about us. ] (]) 19:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ***When you say "us" who are you referring to? -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 19:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ****Robert Young and his Yahoo group. Everyone listed in this group is/was a part of his group with the exception of you and Kitia. ] (]) 19:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| The reason I added Kitia to this group (as he is blocked), he has showed to me tremendous love and dedication to the group. I mean, him, me, and Bart, would vote the same thing in all the articles. He even posts on my talk page 4 supercentenarian articles (plus others) that were under deletion. He of course, got in trouble for that. As he is blocked, he can't add himself to this group. Then on his unban requests, he talks about how he felt Ryoung122 didn't get a fair block and did his doings for him. You'd also understand if you read his talk page. Wow, what a tremedous sacrificer. So of course I added him here. ] (]) 19:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ::Wow, that seems to be the first positive review of Kitia. ]]]] 21:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :There is no "of course" about it. You do not add others to WikiProjects. They have to do that themselves. It is strange that people who edit these articles get blocked. I noticed quite by chance yesterday that ] was indefinitely blocked, but then the block was lifted. --] (]) 22:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::I've only known Joseph A. Spadaro for a few days, and his block will be lifted in a couple of days or so. ] (]) 22:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC). | |||
| ==Future of this Project== | |||
| (After edit conflict - after a quick read of Neal's recent edit that cause the conflict, I still think you need to consider all these points) It is quite clear that this Project has a whole host of problems. It needs to be fixed or it will not have a sound future. I am reluctant to fix it myself, but I urge the members to thoroughly consider the many points I have made above and edit the project page appropriately. In particularly you should remove "members" who have not added themselves, list all members under a single heading of members or participants not separating GRG members from others, remove all the other spam to the GRC, including the collage, and make it quite clear that this is a regular WikiProject to improve articles on the World's Oldest People and not something linked to any other group. --] (]) 22:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I just tried fixing all the problems to where it is appropriate for Misplaced Pages. If anyone wants to readd what was removed, it is best to discuss it first before readding it. -<font color="blue">]<sup>(] • ] • ) </sup></font> 02:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I agree with Bduke's sentiments. The project page and the agenda in some of the comments above are very concerning and conflict with Misplaced Pages editing principles. By "leader", I assume Neal is referring to ] who is blocked indefinitely. WP works on consensus and a user who has been blocked for violating editing policies and engaging in personal attacks certainly has no role to play is project coordination (even by proxy). —] <small>]</small> 03:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Official motto of the W.O.P. ProjectSarah Knauss, 116 years oldSo what?
Article alerts
I can't figure out how to add this to the article alerts subsection.] Sarah Knauss Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Sarah Knauss (3rd nomination) Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:56, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- It's already there. Never mind. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:57, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
A problem of numbers
Forewarned is forearmed.
Sarah Knauss
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Article Rescue Squadrron, Sarah Knauss Article
All wikipedians are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Do the math. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:33, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
- They deny any bad intent to not count the votes properly. Of course, they say there was no !vote. And they promise that another deletion is on the way. You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows. WP:Duck. Rigged system. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- For those of you who feel your articles about to go extinct, see here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- Dramatic enough, or was there more coming? If you have a problem with WP:WikiProject Longevity, say so there and start a conversation. On this page you're howling into the void. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 19:08, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
- For those of you who feel your articles about to go extinct, see here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Jeanne Calment
I will be posting various messages from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Longevity here in an attempt to cast as wide as possible a net to broaden our discussions there. Any discussions should take place at that Wikiproject, as it has superseded this one. The messages I post here are for the benefit of the 50 users watching this page and should serve as an invitation for them to join WP:Longevity and participate in the discussions there.
There is currently an ongoing discussion and vote about whether or not there is an age dispute surrounding Jeanne Calment worth mentioning on the List of the verified oldest people. All interested editors can join the discussion here: Talk:List of the verified oldest people. schetm (talk) 16:49, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
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