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| The result of the debate was '''keep''' (no consensus). Nobody voted "bicycle" this time, but here you go: ] ] 06:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
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| non notable. Can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages. Plus it's probably a copyvio ] 02:52, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | non notable. Can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages. Plus it's probably a copyvio ] 02:52, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' unless it proves to be a copyright violation. ] 02:59, August 7, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''', this nomination is absurd. ] ] 03:51, 2005 August 7 (UTC) | |||
| *Even if we can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages, that seems to be what is going to happen, and I see no reason to believe the article is a copyvio. '''Abstain'''. --] 04:14, August 7, 2005 (UTC) | *Even if we can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages, that seems to be what is going to happen, and I see no reason to believe the article is a copyvio. '''Abstain'''. --] 04:14, August 7, 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Comment''' -- until there is a category policy regarding high schools with some basis for notability/inclusion, we have no basis for determining if article is valid. Unfortunately, that means WP becomes a phone book/directory of schools, but there it is. ] 04:40, August 7, 2005 (UTC) | *'''Comment''' -- until there is a category policy regarding high schools with some basis for notability/inclusion, we have no basis for determining if article is valid. Unfortunately, that means WP becomes a phone book/directory of schools, but there it is. ] 04:40, August 7, 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''', there is no possible way to apply 'notability' to schools without causing egregious ]. ] 04:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | *'''Keep''', there is no possible way to apply 'notability' to schools without causing egregious ]. ] 04:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| **Except for size, mentions in major media, notable alumuni, or other crazy stuff like that. - ]]] 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | **Except for size, mentions in major media, notable alumuni, or other crazy stuff like that. - ]]] 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| ***Especially using factors like those. ] 19:23, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Weak Keep''' this article is a sub sub stub. Not of particular interest outside of students, faculty and alumnists. ] 05:04, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | *'''Weak Keep''' this article is a sub sub stub. Not of particular interest outside of students, faculty and alumnists. ] 05:04, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Woohoo keep'''. Meow. —] (]) 10:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | *'''Woohoo keep'''. Meow. —] (]) 10:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep'''. To describe this as a substub is simply incredible. It's perfectly good stub article. Let it grow. --]] 10:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | *'''Keep'''. To describe this as a substub is simply incredible. It's perfectly good stub article. Let it grow. --]] 10:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''merge''' to a list of schools in Charlotte. --] 11:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | *<s>'''merge''' to a list of schools in Charlotte. --] 11:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)</s> | ||
| *'''delete''' I would prefer merge but such sensible moves would be blocked --] 20:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | *'''Keep''' ] ]. What on Earth would make you think it's a copyvio and it's certainly not a sub-substub or even a substub. Of interest to those who want effective, valuable education for the next generation. ] (] 13:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *''' |
** '''Comment''' So you'd rather Misplaced Pages have no information about this school than information in your preferred form? --]] 20:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *** With what is on evidence so far, yes. Deletion does not prevent future recreation with a full article. --] 21:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | *'''Delete''' per ]. - ]]] 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| **** If that's your attitude, why bother to delete? You could easily just edit the article to improve it. That is, if one consider wikipedians to be editors and not just robots designed for deleting things. --]] 21:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ***** Why don't '''you''' edit it rather than making personal attacks on other editors who are just trying to express their views. --] 21:22, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ***** I apologise if my comment reads like a personal attack--it isn't my intention. The point is that your vote rationale puzzles me. You clearly think the article contains valuable material, because you want it merged; however you instead vote for delete because you think "such sensible moves would be blocked". I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that you are willing to sacrifice good material simply because you can't get consensus for your preferred merge. You then say "deletion does not prevent future creation with a full article", so naturally I ask you: why bother to delete in the first place? The article can be expanded where it is--if you think it needs to be. For myself I am quite happy with the current contents, so it's silly to ask me to edit it. It's a lovely, bijou little stub sitting there inviting someone who knows about the school to write about it. --]] 10:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ******Thank you for your apology. I didn't take personally anyway just as an attack on everyone voting other than keep. I am not keen on schools in wikipedia, at least merging reduces the number of articles about them, but 1 vote to merge amongst all keeps and deletes is a wild goose chase. (and I note some closing admins count them as keeps ;) ) --] 16:49, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *******I generally assume that people who vote to merge want the information to be retained, since they're voting to have it preserved elsewhere on Misplaced Pages. Is this not your intention? ] 07:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ** Merges ''are'' keeps. This is a fact, and not one that has ever been, or ever will be, seriously disputed. When an article is merged, the material is kept and its history is kept. When an article is deleted, the material and all its editing history is deleted. --]] 17:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | *'''Keep''' ] ]. What on Earth would make you think it's a copyvio and it's certainly not a sub-substub or even a substub. Of interest to those who want effective, valuable education for the next generation. ] (] 13:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''', no significant value ] 13:54, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | *'''Delete''' per ]. - ]]] 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | ||
| ** Your link goes to ] but you've deliberately edited it to make it appear to refer to ]. That's very naughty, you know. --]] 21:21, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ** ''Naughty''? As in ''disobedient''? How about you ( ) leave other people's votes alone and save the lecture. - ]]] 23:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. Can put every high school in Misplaced Pages. Also, when we find notable alumni, it would be nice to have the school article already there to add to. ]] 16:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''', Completely non notable school.] 16:44, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' Given Misplaced Pages's exponential growth there is little doubt that we can have articles about every high school in the English speaking world within a few years. ] 18:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| **'''Comment'''. I believe we have some French, German and Spanish-speaking schools, too. --]] 19:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *<b>Speedy keep.</b> <i>"Can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages."</i> -- I notice a flaw in your theory. ] 18:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. Schools are notable, high schools especially so. ] 01:09, August 8, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''. Anyone who didn't go to this school doesn't care, and anyone who did just wants to forget it. ] 02:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| **I didn't go there, but I care. ] 07:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' non-notable high schools. If notable information exists, put it into the article on ] at the district/city level. ] 02:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Merge''' and '''Delete''' as suggested by ]. See ] for an article that allows for growth of information about individual schools without creating a stub for each one. ] 05:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ** Merge is probably incompatible with deletion under the GFDL. --]] 17:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ***Simply merge the history for the two articles when you do the delete. At least that is what the documentation seems to say you can do. I don't see this as incompatible, just more work. This could explain why so many votes wind up as keep, the admins don't want to do the extra work, and elect to call the vote keep rather than merge and delete. So, maybe this is a good reason to not vote merge and delete, but to simple vote Merge. ] 01:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ** '''Comment''': Oh I see. A history merge. That is compatible. However I don't see what is gained from this that couldn't be achieved by simply merging and redirecting without deletion, which unlike a history merge is a reversible operation. I'd suggestion that admins probably don't want to do this precisely because once it's done even a sysop cannot undo it. | |||
| ** Voting merge won't necessarily get you a merge done for you by the closer. Anybody can do a merge so sometimes a sysop will do it (particularly if there is a consensus to merge--ie, merge votes outnumber all non-merge votes by a considerable margin, which is very rare), and often he'll leave that decision up to other editors, who are perfectly capable of doing it themselves. | |||
| ** There isn't a sysop "merge" button that a sysop can press to do a merge, it's an editing operation and often requires good judgement and knowledge of the material that, being chosen maybe for his clerical abilities and general reliability, a sysop does not necessarily have. --]] 12:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ***Ok, just so we're clear, you agree your comment "Probably not compatible with the GFDL" was incorrect? Can we further agree that you'll no longer use this as an oft- repeated argument against delete and merge? I'll interpret no response as "yes" and "yes". - ]]] 00:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *** For the record, no and no. And it's preposterous to make these little assumptions--what if the editor you're addressing should happen not to read your comment, as I nearly did not? Have you by any chance recently been a denizen of some kind of flame forum? | |||
| *** Clearly it would be impractical to perform such a complex and irreversible procedure just to comply with a license, when a simple paste-and-redirect merge achieves precisely the same result in a reversible manner without any license issues. Also as a closer I'd not expect to see a discussion ending in a consensus "merge and delete", if only because it's a patently perverse vote. Having refined the argument, I shall reuse it to much greater effect. --]] 15:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''', schoolcruft. Failing delete, merge info as per Vegaswikian. ]<small> ] ]</small> 10:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' — High schools are notable. ] 15:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''keep''' please this is just plain weird ] 19:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' Some high schools are notable. This one ain't. ]|] 00:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. Notable, verifiable, encyclopedic. ] 07:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. Verifiable school; secondary schools should not need to prove notability. --]] 01:50, August 10, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' no indication of notability. If not deleted, '''Merge''' into ]. ] ] 23:40, 10 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''': not notable. ] 00:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''. Murder! Maim. Destroy. Unremarkable highschool. <s>]</s> ] 22:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''. Agree with Dunc. ] 01:44, 2005 August 15 (UTC) | |||
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The result of the debate was keep (no consensus). Nobody voted "bicycle" this time, but here you go: Sjakkalle (Check!) 06:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Charlotte High School now moved to Charlotte High School, Charlotte, Michigan
non notable. Can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages. Plus it's probably a copyvio Woohookitty 02:52, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep unless it proves to be a copyright violation. Fg2 02:59, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, this nomination is absurd. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:51, 2005 August 7 (UTC)
- Even if we can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages, that seems to be what is going to happen, and I see no reason to believe the article is a copyvio. Abstain. --Metropolitan90 04:14, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Comment -- until there is a category policy regarding high schools with some basis for notability/inclusion, we have no basis for determining if article is valid. Unfortunately, that means WP becomes a phone book/directory of schools, but there it is. DavidH 04:40, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep, there is no possible way to apply 'notability' to schools without causing egregious systemic bias. Kappa 04:50, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Except for size, mentions in major media, notable alumuni, or other crazy stuff like that. - brenneman 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Especially using factors like those. Kappa 19:23, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Except for size, mentions in major media, notable alumuni, or other crazy stuff like that. - brenneman 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Weak Keep this article is a sub sub stub. Not of particular interest outside of students, faculty and alumnists. Hamster Sandwich 05:04, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Woohoo keep. Meow. —RaD Man (talk) 10:05, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. To describe this as a substub is simply incredible. It's perfectly good stub article. Let it grow. --Tony Sidaway 10:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
merge to a list of schools in Charlotte. --Tim Pope 11:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)- delete I would prefer merge but such sensible moves would be blocked --Tim Pope 20:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Comment So you'd rather Misplaced Pages have no information about this school than information in your preferred form? --Tony Sidaway 20:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- With what is on evidence so far, yes. Deletion does not prevent future recreation with a full article. --Tim Pope 21:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- If that's your attitude, why bother to delete? You could easily just edit the article to improve it. That is, if one consider wikipedians to be editors and not just robots designed for deleting things. --Tony Sidaway 21:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Why don't you edit it rather than making personal attacks on other editors who are just trying to express their views. --Tim Pope 21:22, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- I apologise if my comment reads like a personal attack--it isn't my intention. The point is that your vote rationale puzzles me. You clearly think the article contains valuable material, because you want it merged; however you instead vote for delete because you think "such sensible moves would be blocked". I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that you are willing to sacrifice good material simply because you can't get consensus for your preferred merge. You then say "deletion does not prevent future creation with a full article", so naturally I ask you: why bother to delete in the first place? The article can be expanded where it is--if you think it needs to be. For myself I am quite happy with the current contents, so it's silly to ask me to edit it. It's a lovely, bijou little stub sitting there inviting someone who knows about the school to write about it. --Tony Sidaway 10:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you for your apology. I didn't take personally anyway just as an attack on everyone voting other than keep. I am not keen on schools in wikipedia, at least merging reduces the number of articles about them, but 1 vote to merge amongst all keeps and deletes is a wild goose chase. (and I note some closing admins count them as keeps ;) ) --Tim Pope 16:49, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- I generally assume that people who vote to merge want the information to be retained, since they're voting to have it preserved elsewhere on Misplaced Pages. Is this not your intention? Factitious 07:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you for your apology. I didn't take personally anyway just as an attack on everyone voting other than keep. I am not keen on schools in wikipedia, at least merging reduces the number of articles about them, but 1 vote to merge amongst all keeps and deletes is a wild goose chase. (and I note some closing admins count them as keeps ;) ) --Tim Pope 16:49, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- If that's your attitude, why bother to delete? You could easily just edit the article to improve it. That is, if one consider wikipedians to be editors and not just robots designed for deleting things. --Tony Sidaway 21:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- With what is on evidence so far, yes. Deletion does not prevent future recreation with a full article. --Tim Pope 21:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Merges are keeps. This is a fact, and not one that has ever been, or ever will be, seriously disputed. When an article is merged, the material is kept and its history is kept. When an article is deleted, the material and all its editing history is deleted. --Tony Sidaway 17:21, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Comment So you'd rather Misplaced Pages have no information about this school than information in your preferred form? --Tony Sidaway 20:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep verifiable and NPOV schools. What on Earth would make you think it's a copyvio and it's certainly not a sub-substub or even a substub. Of interest to those who want effective, valuable education for the next generation. DoubleBlue (Talk) 13:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, no significant value jamesgibbon 13:54, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete per Misplaced Pages:Schools/Arguments. - brenneman 13:58, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Your link goes to Misplaced Pages:Schools/Arguments#Delete but you've deliberately edited it to make it appear to refer to Misplaced Pages:Schools/Arguments. That's very naughty, you know. --Tony Sidaway 21:21, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Naughty? As in disobedient? How about you (St. Catherine's #1St. Catherine's #2Charlotte #1Charlotte #2 Sacred Heart) leave other people's votes alone and save the lecture. - brenneman 23:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Can put every high school in Misplaced Pages. Also, when we find notable alumni, it would be nice to have the school article already there to add to. Unfocused 16:41, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, Completely non notable school.Gateman1997 16:44, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Given Misplaced Pages's exponential growth there is little doubt that we can have articles about every high school in the English speaking world within a few years. Osomec 18:15, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Comment. I believe we have some French, German and Spanish-speaking schools, too. --Tony Sidaway 19:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. "Can't put every high school into Misplaced Pages." -- I notice a flaw in your theory. Almafeta 18:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Schools are notable, high schools especially so. Pburka 01:09, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Anyone who didn't go to this school doesn't care, and anyone who did just wants to forget it. Nandesuka 02:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- I didn't go there, but I care. Factitious 07:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable high schools. If notable information exists, put it into the article on Charlotte Public Schools at the district/city level. ESkog 02:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Merge and Delete as suggested by ESkog. See Clark County School District for an article that allows for growth of information about individual schools without creating a stub for each one. Vegaswikian 05:16, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Merge is probably incompatible with deletion under the GFDL. --Tony Sidaway 17:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Simply merge the history for the two articles when you do the delete. At least that is what the documentation seems to say you can do. I don't see this as incompatible, just more work. This could explain why so many votes wind up as keep, the admins don't want to do the extra work, and elect to call the vote keep rather than merge and delete. So, maybe this is a good reason to not vote merge and delete, but to simple vote Merge. Vegaswikian 01:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: Oh I see. A history merge. That is compatible. However I don't see what is gained from this that couldn't be achieved by simply merging and redirecting without deletion, which unlike a history merge is a reversible operation. I'd suggestion that admins probably don't want to do this precisely because once it's done even a sysop cannot undo it.
- Voting merge won't necessarily get you a merge done for you by the closer. Anybody can do a merge so sometimes a sysop will do it (particularly if there is a consensus to merge--ie, merge votes outnumber all non-merge votes by a considerable margin, which is very rare), and often he'll leave that decision up to other editors, who are perfectly capable of doing it themselves.
- There isn't a sysop "merge" button that a sysop can press to do a merge, it's an editing operation and often requires good judgement and knowledge of the material that, being chosen maybe for his clerical abilities and general reliability, a sysop does not necessarily have. --Tony Sidaway 12:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- Ok, just so we're clear, you agree your comment "Probably not compatible with the GFDL" was incorrect? Can we further agree that you'll no longer use this as an oft- repeated argument against delete and merge? I'll interpret no response as "yes" and "yes". - brenneman 00:50, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- For the record, no and no. And it's preposterous to make these little assumptions--what if the editor you're addressing should happen not to read your comment, as I nearly did not? Have you by any chance recently been a denizen of some kind of flame forum?
- Clearly it would be impractical to perform such a complex and irreversible procedure just to comply with a license, when a simple paste-and-redirect merge achieves precisely the same result in a reversible manner without any license issues. Also as a closer I'd not expect to see a discussion ending in a consensus "merge and delete", if only because it's a patently perverse vote. Having refined the argument, I shall reuse it to much greater effect. --Tony Sidaway 15:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- Merge is probably incompatible with deletion under the GFDL. --Tony Sidaway 17:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, schoolcruft. Failing delete, merge info as per Vegaswikian. Proto t c 10:11, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep — High schools are notable. RJH 15:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- keep please this is just plain weird Yuckfoo 19:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete Some high schools are notable. This one ain't. Dunc|☺ 00:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable, verifiable, encyclopedic. Factitious 07:49, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. Verifiable school; secondary schools should not need to prove notability. --BaronLarf 01:50, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete no indication of notability. If not deleted, Merge into Charlotte Public Schools. DES 23:40, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete: not notable. No Account 00:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Murder! Maim. Destroy. Unremarkable highschool.
213.78.96.242User:Pilatus 22:22, 14 August 2005 (UTC) - Delete. Agree with Dunc. Jonathunder 01:44, 2005 August 15 (UTC)
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