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I removed this attack from the bottom of this article. Nomination for Vfd should have been enough, without this vandalism of the article. Someone may want to take note and action. I haven't the time right now to judge wether other vandalism has occured, so someone may want to compare historys. I have no dog in this hunt, but if arty's on websites are wikipedia topics, this one deserves fair consideration since it was Wikispawned, if for no other reason. I also wonder whether this is an 'Advert', but I'm too new to have a handle on all the wiki policies extant on this stuff. ] 01:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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== June 2024 == |
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According to the founders of Encyclopædia Dramatica, the ] of Encyclopædia Dramatica is to ] the ] ] of Internet parody and humor. However, it frequently deviates from this goal, producing somewhat humorous articles on a wide range of topics, most of which are not necessarily classifiable as satire. Humor of all categories enters the wiki, prompting an equally freeflowing response, such as the vandalistic classification of sexual fetishes as relating to "Unhealed ] ]". |
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Yes, the .top version is now offline so it didn't last very long. It is unclear why this has happened and the site faces another period of uncertainty. '''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Because of the open nature of Encyclopædia Dramatica, which began as a collection of personal attacks, Encyclopædia Dramatica itself suffers from ]istic attacks similar to those of other wikis. For example, occasionally people blank entire pages, make ] threats or add messages that insult other users. The creation of humor is not entirely material to random acts of text insertion. Indeed, the effort required to write one article on the Encyclopædia Dramatica of good quality may even exceed the effort required to produce a factual article on Misplaced Pages. Good humor may be more difficult than good information, as there is a correct or publically accepted form of a fact, but not necessarily a universal joke. |
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That's all for now! ] 01:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:It's back, and according to the Dramatica forum, "] suspended the domain." So off we go with a new domain, with .top holding the record for the shortest tenure at less than a month.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:That's actually quite true about ED. I don't see anything I can construed as vandalism. --] 01:39, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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::Re . ED currently has two domains, edramatica.com which was registered on 9 June 2024, and dramatica.wtf which was registered on 13 May 2024 and is also being used for the forums. Since edramatica.com seems to be the main address and dramatica.wtf is a mirror, the article should give edramatica.com as the address per ].--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 10:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Re : edramatica.com is down at the moment, but it is unclear whether this is a temporary blip or something more serious.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 15:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:''For the prior VFD discussion of ], now a redirect to this article, see ].'' |
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::::I'm an ED regular, and I saw it go down live. When it went down, edramatica.com was replaced with a page that said, "So Don't Do That Then... (This domain has been terminated for abuse)", so I think it's safe to believe that edramatica.com has been suspended by EasyDNS. ] (]) 17:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:* The decision was to '''delete''' basing on nonnotability. The page has been recreated without undeletion procedure. No new proof of notability is provided. Therefore the page is ]. It will be deleted unless independent references will be provided from authoritative sources. Blogs and forums don't count, folks. ] ] 21:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks, there have been persistent claims in the past few weeks that domain registrars are unhappy with some of the content on ED. Freedom of speech is one thing, deliberate harassment and defamation of living people is another. Since this is all part of the fun (cough, cough) at ED, it leaves them with the difficult task of finding a new domain and web host.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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**I added why it's notable: because it has a relation to ]. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 01:34, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC) |
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*And thanks to the wonders of the ], we can see the termination message . It does indeed say "So Don't Do That Then... (This domain has been terminated for abuse)" as a message from ], complete with a dead skeleton pirate. At this rate ED will end up as a ] only, because no domain will have them.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 18:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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***Removing technical notices without discussion is inadmissible. Also you cannot add links to wikipedia technical pages. And you must not add external links inside article body. There is a special section "external links" for this. Has relation to wilipedia is not a sufficient reason of notability. I am related to wikipedia, b`ut I don't have artickle about myself. ] ] 16:46, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*:The forums at also seem to be down, as all I get is an error message saying "Page could not be loaded". (On other devices I tried, the website won't even load at all and just says "DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN") ] (]) 22:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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**** This is not the ] article, though. A speedy for recreation wouldn't apply here, but perhaps at the redirect. In fact, as this isn't a repost of a formerly deleted article, but a new article based around a notable website, I'm removing the speedy tag, as it does not fall under the qualifications for speedy deletion as noted at the speedy deletion page. Now, I'm starting to question the good faith, too. --] 16:58, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:They are now on encyclopediadramatica.gay, which was registered with ] on 17 June 2024. So let's see how long this lasts, they have had three new domains in little over a month.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*****Notability is not proven by independent research. All what is written in the article is ]. Most facts are verifiable only from the website in question. This is inadmissible in wikipedia. I'm starting to question the good faith, too, when seeing this kind of blind eye. ] ] 17:08, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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::That might not be the wisest choice, per the ] section of the ] article. I don't know, we'll just have to wait and see how long this one will last for. ] (]) 11:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC) |
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******So how can we repair this? Because it is a notable website with plenty of secondary information availiable. We obviously don't want it deleted, so how about giving us some help instead of trying to make this a speedy when it's not and flinging mud? What do you need from me to make this palatable for you and I'll fix it. --] 17:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:::OT, but i'm surprised to see ED able to registed the .gay domain at all. ] (]) 11:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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******* It was already spelt out several times: independednt solid references to discussion of this site. Blogs, chat rooms and forums won't do, unless the comments are made by notable persons, e.g., those who warrant wikipedia articles (I hope the latter remark will not make you to write a wp-article about your buddy for this sole reason) and the remarks are in permanent place. ] ] 17:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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::The .gay website now redirects to edramatica.com, which is working again. ] (]) 22:34, 25 August 2024 (UTC) |
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******I think you're just mistaken. The site itself is a primary resource. ] 14:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*******Cat, you really in need to read wikipedia policy before going to bed. The site itself cannot be considered as a reliable source. Problem with it: ]. On my website I may write that I have penis 30 inches long, which makes me clearly a notabe person to write a wikipedia article about myself. Once again: only ] may be the base of wikipedia articles. ] ] 15:40, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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****** Rubbish. If your website said your penis was thirty inches long then a wikipedia article can use your website as a primary source to state "The author claims his penis is thirty inches long." That sentence makes no claim to the truth about your penis, the truth is your claim. Similarly, if I attend a speech and George Bush states that he is reversing his ban on stem cell research because stem cell research could re-animate a zombie Ronald Reagan I do not need to wait for the New York Times to report it, which presumably they will. So, if I go to ED and see that it is a collection of parody, the the verification of that statement is that the reader can go there and see for themselves. The ED site isn't citing itself, the ED site exists and we as observers and writers use it as the primary source. ] 16:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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******* Not rubbish. In the way you propose you will fill wikipedia with garbage. There is so much false statements mover internet. For the third time: '''verifiability''' of truth in the issue here. My claim about my penis, my claims alone, without other, reliable, people commenting on it, cannot be a reason for wikipedia article. Bush example is moot, since the person already has an established notability and his speech will be easily verifiable from other sources. ED exists, but its existance and its claims about itself '''alone''' is not the reason for its notability. Once again: example with Bush is inapplicable, because we know about Bush not only from his speeches. Observers, '''other than wikipedia editors''' report plenty about them. ] ] 16:39, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*******Besides, the site's creator was thinking about wikipedia when he made this site does NOT mean that it actually has any relation to wikipedia. Even if the site was made by a wikipedian, that's still not a connection worthy of ANY sort of mention. --] 18:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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Re : It's true that the site is up and running at .win, but it is also up and running at .gay at the time of writing. This leads to a problem with ] as usually only one URL is given.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:01, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:.gay is the current official domain and hosts both the Encyclopedia Dramatica Forums and the wiki. .win is an unauthorized copy of the site that was made by a disgruntled former wiki sysop. The .win site doesn't even have a forum because the guy who runs it never even had a copy of the forum database (although he tried to beg the owner of .gay for the database). |
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:No one of any importance from .online or any of the previous domains is using .win, they are all on .gay. ] (]) 00:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::The main pages of .gay and .win are different, so they are not a complete mirror. Also, .win does not have the forums which are only on .gay. So it does look like .win is an unofficial mirror and not endorsed by the people at .gay.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 07:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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*Deleted by VfD ] (Dec 2004) |
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*Recreated (20:41, 27 Apr 2005) and speedily deleted (00:46, 28 Apr 2005). ] 01:47, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) (timestamps added by ] ] 03:22, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)) |
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*Recreated again under the "æ"'d title. |
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*Survived VfD ] (June 2005) |
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] ] 02:33, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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: Those are 'very interesting' one sided comments by both editors, hmmm, but above statement makes no sense if some ver is accepted or not... .win has more articles, also .win has more quality videos... ] (]) 16:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm not going to get drawn into an argument over which is the better or more official version, but they are not serving exactly the same content and .win does not have the forum pages.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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ED's humor primarily focuses on common internet fads and jokes, such as jokes about political parties, homosexuals, country related stereotype jokes and racist humor. I added the part about what ED was criticised for, mainly because nearly all vandalism on ED has been related to that. In fact I've particapated in some vandalism on ED myself. I guess its because there are some people who are annoyed to see a site like ED as a humor parody of wikipedia being constantly being rewritten and added onto by people with different tastes in humor taste, many of whom tend to use rather overdone styles of humor and satire. Another thing to note is a very large portion of the site deals with Livejournal drama and humor, which appeals to a relatively small portion of people, since livejournal happenings have little effect on the rest of the internet and many people see blogs/online journals as useless and stupid. |
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-] ] 18:47, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:It would seem that .win is down for the count, leaving edramatica.com as the sole host of the property. The circle of life continues... ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 16:02, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The article says so. But after reading a hundred or so ED articles I gradually got an impression that it is a pretty specific kind of humor, far from what I would call "general". I am not an expert in humor (more precisely, in anglophone humor; also I naturally have my own preferences in humor), so I may be wrong. Does anyone know a "scientific" definition of what is there, in ED? |
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::It's hard to keep up with this, but at the time of writing, .gay is completely offline, while .win has a page saying "It's over - for now... Due to reasons that shall not be disclosed I will not be able to run encyclopediadramatica.win anymore - at least all on my own." This means that edramatica.com is the only working version at the moment, and thankfully we no longer have to listen to arguments about whether .win or .gay is the better version, because both of them are unavailable now.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{Reply|ianmacm}} I'm beginning to get concerned about the quality of the article, as the list of domains & owners is becoming too unwieldy for the infobox. We should probably find a way to truncate it. ''']'''<sub> (]•])</sub> 17:22, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Agreed, I'm not sure that the infobox needs to list all of the domains that are now defunct.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:41, 27 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The things I managed to recognize (IMHO) at the site: |
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*It seemingly does not store old jokes. |
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*The humor is mostly satire, a really nasty, biting one. |
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*There are many parodies, but none of them (of what I've seen) of friendly kind (of course, I am aware that some kinds of camaraderie do involve poking each other's noses with fists). |
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why is there no link? ] (]) 17:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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For example, compare ] and . |
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:There have been so many ups and downs in 2024 that it is hard to keep track of them all. However, the article is correct that edramatica.com is currently the only one that is online. There is also a problem with ] due to unsuitable material on the main page (harassment, ] etc).--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 17:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Surely, this is my ], and it is not going to be in the article. This is only to satisfy my curiosity: is there a special name for this kind of humor? ] ] 17:08, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure why the user keeps deleting this as it answered the question and it's useful for other editors who might ask the same question. ] (]) 23:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:I think you're misreading the article if you take "general satire and humor" to mean "general humor." It is the satire that is described as "general." You have mentioned three different genres: humor, satire and parody. Each of these can exist independently or in combination with one or both of the others. Because there are many contributors with various styles and intentions, there won't be one specific style. However, what I hope to see in an ED article is a combination of all three, along with specific reference to some sort of Internet phenomenom - preferably online interpersonal conflict ("drama"). It's not intended to be a general humor web site. I can't claim to speak for everyone involved, though. --] 02:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:::as of 12/20/24, edramatica.com is down with the "timed out" error, awaiting further information. ] (]) 06:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::You wrote: "...what I hope to see in an '''ED article''' is a combination of all three". Did you mean a wikipeadia article about ED or and article in ED? (You probably know, I am a .) |
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::::IsItDownRightNow says that it has been down for over a week. This means that at the time of writing, the site is not online at all. This isn't a major panic, as ED has been offline for weeks in the past and returned. Watch this space.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I agree that satire is general indeed. A good example here would be . But still, my question is unanswered: how to define the kind of humor at ED? (You seem to say that the adjective "general" was not intended for "humor".) ] ] 17:50, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::Are you checking some other ED mirror? I'm taking about edramatica.com, which was back on the same day it got down, which was 12/20/24. ] (]) 18:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::In response to your first question, I was referring to my preference for an article written for ED. As for the second, I don't think a simple definition is possible. There will be a combination of types of humor because there are many different contributors, each with their own style. --] 00:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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::::::I couldn't access edramatica.com yesterday (20 December), but it is back online today. IsItDownRightNow agrees and says "Last down: 1 day 10 hours ago.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 20:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Inspecting the block log of ED and contributions of blocked ED-accounts, I think I've noticed a certain peculiarity: ED seems to be pretty tolerant to stupid humor, but intolerant to smartass-humor, i.e., to the jokes that tend to demonstrate how smart the joker is, rather than to demonstrate the stupidity of the target of the joke. ] ] 03:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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(12/23/24) ] (]) 06:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:edramatica.com is back up. (12/23/24) ] (]) 09:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I'm relaxed about this, as ED's hosting is famously unreliable. It has been offline for days or weeks in the past.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 12:16, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I think the guy may have been referring to the point that, often, it's hard to connect to the site because of the "too many users" error. It's gotten better recently, but that's the best rationale I can get. --] 8 July 2005 16:20 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry for the long delay, edramatica.com was back up the next day. ] (]) 09:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Better? I think it's gotten worse! And how can something be too many users if not one user can connect in the first place? ] 8 July 2005 23:21 (UTC) |
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::Downage is a transient event. A couple of occasions of downage is not a subject of encyclopedia entry. And it is absolutely false statement that it is down 12 hours a day. Not to say that it is your ], and I have no reason to believe you. ] ] 8 July 2005 23:28 (UTC) |
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::And why do you think that 1 user cannot be "too many"? ] ] 9 July 2005 01:21 (UTC) |
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:: Yeah, it's more like 16 hours. Can you get it to access. Oh and since I researched it why don't you write an article about it since it's not your ]. ] 8 July 2005 23:35 (UTC) |
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:::Yeah, I observed the same during ], when the trafic was probably high, but an occasional outage does not warrant the generalized statement. And by the way, your way of using mis-redirects is not in style of wikipedia. Please remember, this is an site, and you will hardly succeed in changing this, hear from an old . And BTW, the ED us up back. ] ] 9 July 2005 01:19 (UTC) |
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Before you reverted it the second time, I had put the article back because no one supplied a valid reason for its removal. You said it was nonencyclopedic. What makes something encyclopedic is it's inclusion in an encyclopedia. Therefore to say something is ] as an argument for uninclusion is ]. (Also, I only meant about the downage part. The reign of terror was removed, but SchmuckyTheCat snuck it back in.) ] 9 July 2005 01:48 (UTC) |
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:I am afraid this is a miscommunication: "unencyclopedic" was supposed to be a shorthand to "not worth inclusion in encyclopedia". If you know a better ford for this long phrase, please educate me. I am aware that my english is not my strong side. As to the issue: Not every single event in the world is in The Book. The fact that a a particular site was down for some time may be of encyclopedic value only if, e.g., the site claimed its robustness, but it failed. ] ] 9 July 2005 03:14 (UTC) |
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::The site does claim somewhere that it's faster than wikipedia (due to less users and articles), but I can't find where now. ] 9 July 2005 03:21 (UTC) |
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:::It is in . ] ], but I don't like the idea of jouning this silly ]. ED is about joke, and this comparison is joke as well. By responding to it seriously wikipedia would make a fool of itself (ED would love to see this happen, I suspect). ] ] 9 July 2005 03:54 (UTC) |
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I haven't noticed it being down at all recently and I visit fairly often. Certainly it isn't down for hours at a time as ] claims. ] needs to understand that just because s/he can't connect does not indicate that "not one user can connect." If you check the , there don't seem to be many significant periods when there wasn't an article being changed, thus indicating that usually there are people connected to the site. I wouldn't be surprised if the site is subject to the occasional DOS attack, though. --] 02:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC) |
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: It hasn't been down like it was anymore. ] 03:33, 14 July 2005 (UTC) |
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==Sherrod== |
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An unknown ] politely requested to remove the following information from the article. |
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The reason of the inclusion of this information is '''verifiability''' of the claim that ED was launched by "a wikipedia user". Please explain the reason of the request. Otherwise it will be restored, since this is a publicly available piece of data. ] ] 15:35, 12 July 2005 (UTC) |
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== protected? == |
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Why is the article protected? --] 03:00, July 14, 2005 (UTC) |
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:The ] states: ''temporarily protecting page until issue relating to personally identifiable information is resolved.'' Out of curiosity, what change do you want to make? --] 03:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC) |
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::Wow, , I thought you saw in the history that mikka or someone was trying to protect Girlvinyl from the high-level magic spell called . ] 15:45, 15 July 2005 (UTC) |
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Unprotected, because protection was frivolous: there was no vandalism or edit war, the reason and duration were not explained in the talk page, and the protector ignored the direct question: the "until something is resolved" is not a reasonable deadline, especially since I don't see any efforts towards resolving the "issue". ] ] 16:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC) |
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== Founder/co-founders == |
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Is there any evidence that anyone other than "Girlvinyl" co-founded Encyclopædia Dramatica? I suspect that ] is promoting himself or a friend. Shame, Hardvice, shame! --] 00:59, 17 July 2005 (UTC) |
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: Feel free to check my source . ] 01:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC) |
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::Where does it say this person co-founded Encyclopædia Dramatica? --] 02:04, 17 July 2005 (UTC) |
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== Neutrality == |
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Firstly let me state that I myself am a former ED user. Secondly let me state I beleive the neutrality of this article is up for debate because I hold a bias. Yet, at the same time, users ] and ] hold their own biases as dedicated members or even administrators to the website. |
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As a grounds to begin, people deserve the right to know who are the real faces behind these websites. This isn't an "E-encyclopedia". |
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"GirlVinyl" isn't a person, it's a handle, it's as worthless as an AIM screenname. Let's go say the CEO of Microsoft is Bill3222, and not give his name as a person (which by the way, is public anyway, whois search). "Sherrod DiGreppo" is a person who actually used her real life money and her real self to create the site. That's my honest POV, when you create a website, take credit for it, Misplaced Pages isn't the place for conspiracys. Maybe at Encyclopædia Dramatica you can run and hide behind names like that, but I don't know if that's what we shoul dbe looking for here. |
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I see alot of Bias in this article going in favor Sherrod DiGreppo, and not against. I'm fully aware wikipedia isn't supposed to be my page for rants, but then it's not supposed to be Encyclopædia Dramatica user's grounds to be sweet to their admin. |
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:I agree. The name "Sherrod DeGrippo" was before in the article, but someone deleted it. The last time I edited the article, it said: "Encyclopædia Dramatica was launched on December 9, 2004, by Misplaced Pages user Sherrod DeGrippo from Las Vegas, nicknamed Girlvinyl, as a reaction to Internet memes and web phenomena being excluded from Misplaced Pages. In Girlvinyl's own words, " vanity pages and personal flame wars on wikipedia is the reason Encyclopedia Dramatica exists"" 2004-12-29T22:45Z 23:03, August 12, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Image ownership and license: "Feel free to take these pictures if you'd like. Please make sure to give a link back to my site when you do though" == |
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From edit: |
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:Revision as of 15:59, 14 August 2005 |
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:67.134.44.88 (Talk | contribs) |
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:This image is copyright and NOT liscensed for redistribution. AT ALL. A DMCA notifcation has been sent . "Take" does not imply liscense to re-distribute. |
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The content deleted from this article was: |
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- "]" |
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See also: ] as the question of DMCA abuse has been raised for discussion there. |
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The license to use this material (according to the original website, that of Sherrod DeGrippo herself) is: |
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: From http://girlvinyl.com/C9/index.htm |
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: "C9 Las Vegas April 24-27 2003 |
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: Feel free to take these pictures if you'd like. Please make sure to give a link back to my site when you do though" |
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On these grounds, I believe that the repeated attempts to remove images or other factual information from this article wrt Sherrod DeGrippo to be ]. There's nothing here that isn't already of public record, either from lookup in a public source like whois or whitepages.com or from her having distributed the material herself online under the terms listed above. If "take" didn't mean "use", from where would the requested link back to her site be expected to be found? Normally, that'd be on whatever page is making the attributed re-use of the material, no? --] 22:35, 14 August 2005 (UTC) |
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:I agree with ]. The text says: "Please make sure to give a link back to my site when you do though." Since DeGrippo says that you have to "give a link back", that means ''when'' you put the pictures on a Web page. So "take" in the sentence "Feel free to take these pictures if you'd like." can also mean "put on a Web page". 2004-12-29T22:45Z 23:12, August 14, 2005 (UTC) |
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:There is no proof that deleted image is the portrait of the actual person. From all I know it may well be a kind of a hoax. the source is not reputable enough. ] ] 23:16, 14 August 2005 (UTC) |
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::That is Sherrod DeGrippo's own Web site. You don't believe that's her? 2004-12-29T22:45Z 23:24, August 14, 2005 (UTC) |
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:::Are you kidding me? How long have you been aroundthe web? Any particular reasons to believe? ] ] 00:02, 15 August 2005 (UTC) |
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::::No, I'm not kidding you. I already showed you months ago that the registrant of that site is called Sherrod DeGrippo. You can run a Whois search, and there it is. Besides, the name "Sherrod" appears about 65 times on Girlvinyl.com, and there are other sites where they suggest that "Girlvinyl" is the same as "Sherrod DeGrippo". I mean, why do you doubt it now and not months ago when you saw the name "Sherrod DeGrippo" and the hyperlink to the Whois.sc search? You didn't delete it back then either. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 00:16, August 15, 2005 (UTC) |
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::::This is how it looked like: |
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:::::23:51, June 7, 2005 Mikkalai (rm unferified info. Tits or leave.) |
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:::::Then I made the changes. |
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:::::01:08, June 8, 2005 Mikkalai (thx) |
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::::Now there you go. Now you doubt it. I mean, why didn't you doubt it back then? 2004-12-29T22:45Z 00:26, August 15, 2005 (UTC) |
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::::You even put the hyperlinks below the text because you didn't like them inside. I remember it very well. 2004-12-29T22:45Z 00:32, August 15, 2005 (UTC) |
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Yes, the .top version is now offline so it didn't last very long. It is unclear why this has happened and the site faces another period of uncertainty. ♦IanMacM♦ 07:29, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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