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			== Etymology ==
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	== Some more sources ==

	{{refbegin}}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =FI Staff (Fresh Intelligence)
	\| title =Xenuphobia: Latest Salvo Lobbed In 'Anonymous' War on Scientology
	\| work =Radar Online
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/latest-salvo-lobbed-in-anonymous-war-on-scientology.php
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-05}}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Fabricatorian
	\| first =Shant
	\| title =Scientology vs Everyone: Is Scientology as big a menace as it’s made out to be? Shant Fabricatorian talks to some of the Church’s longtime opponents
	\| work =newmatilda.com
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.newmatilda.com/2008/03/05/scientology-vs-everyone
	\| accessdate =2008-03-05 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Staff
	\| title =Anonymous & Anti-War to Hit Hollywood Saturday
	\| work =LAist
	\| publisher =Gothamist LLC.
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://laist.com/2008/03/10/anonymous_march15_protest_anti_war.php
	\| accessdate =2008-03-11 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Ortega
	\| first =Tony
	\| title =What to Get L. Ron Hubbard for His Birthday: How "Anonymous" has changed the game of exposing Scientology's ruthless global scam
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =Village Voice LLC
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0811,ortega,357974,2.html
	\| accessdate =2008-03-11 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Zajac
	\| first =Joe
	\| title =Anonymous vs. Church of Scientology
	\| work =The Recorder
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=552
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-12 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Farley
	\| first =Robert
	\| title =Scientology fights back in court: The church is seeking a restraining order to stop a new round of protests.
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/12/Northpinellas/Scientology_fights_ba.shtml
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-12 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Thompson
	\| first =Stephen
	\| title =Church Of Scientology Trying To Block Protesters
	\| work =The Suncoast News
	\| publisher =Tamba Bay Online
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://suncoastpinellas.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/12/church-scientology-trying-block-protesters/
	\| accessdate =2008-03-12 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Staff
	\| title =Scientology files petition against Internet group
	\| work =Tampa Bay's 10 News
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=76001
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-12 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Shah, Neel
	\| title ="Anonymous" to Wish L. Ron Hubbard a Very Happy Birthday
	\| work =Radar Online
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/anonymous-to-wish-l-ron-hubbard-a-very-happy-birthday.php
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-12}}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Thompson
	\| first =Stephen
	\| title =Judge Denies Scientologists' Bid To Block Protesters
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =Tampa Bay Online
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/13/me-judge-denies-scientologists-bid-to-block-protes/
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-13 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Farley
	\| first =Robert
	\| coauthors =
	\| title =Judge denies petition by Scientologists to limit protest: The church filed a suit for an "injunction for protection" from a group called Anonymous.
	\| work =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.sptimes.com/2008/03/13/Northpinellas/Judge_denies_petition.shtml
	\| accessdate =2008-03-13 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Farley
	\| first =Robert
	\| title =Second Scientology suit rejected
	\| work =Breaking News tampabay.com
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/03/second-scientol.html
	\| accessdate =2008-03-13 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =]
	\| title =Judge declines Scientologists' request for restraining order
	\| work =]
	\| publisher = ]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.bradenton.com/331/story/465552.html
	\| accessdate =2008-03-13 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Farley
	\| first =Robert
	\| coauthors =
	\| title =Court again rebuffs Scientology's lawsuit
	\| work =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/civil/article416511.ece
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-13 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Shah
	\| first =Neel
	\| title =Xenuphobia: Scientologists Rip Page From 'Anonymous' Playbook
	\| work =Radar Online
	\| publisher =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/03/anonymous-hate-crimes-terrorism-directed-at-scientology-youtube-anonymousfacts.php
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-14 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Moncada
	\| first =Carlos
	\| title =Scientology Foes Returning To Clearwater Saturday
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =Tampa Bay Online
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/14/scientology-foes-returning-clearwater-saturday/
	\| accessdate =2008-03-14 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last = Koppelman
	\| first = Tess
	\| title = Masked Protesters Target Church of Scientology: A group called Anonymous is protesting the Church of Scientology.
	\| work = MyFox Kansas City: FOX 4 News
	\| publisher = Fox Television Stations, Inc.
	\| date = ], ]
	\| url = http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6035213&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1
	\| accessdate =2008-03-14 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last = Moncada
	\| first = Carlos
	\| title = Clearwater Hopes Rallies Don't Run Visitors Off
	\| work = ]
	\| date = ], ]
	\| url = http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/mar/15/me-clearwater-hopes-rallies-dont-run-visitors-off/
	\| accessdate =2008-03-15 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Johnson
	\| first =Richard
	\| coauthors =Paula Froelich, Bill Hoffmann, Corynne Steindler, Marianne Garvey
	\| title =Tom's Church Counterattacks
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =NYP Holdings, Inc.
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.nypost.com/seven/03152008/gossip/pagesix/toms_church_counterattacks_101990.htm
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-15 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Nankervis
	\| first =David
	\| title =More protests against Scientology: Around 200 masked protestors gathered outside the Adelaide headquarters of the Church of Scientology this afternoon
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =News Limited
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23380286-2682,00.html
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-15 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Chisamera
	\| first =Dee
	\| title =Scientologists’ Ban Against ‘Violent’ Peaceful Protesters Denied
	\| work =eFluxMedia
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Scientologists_Ban_Against_Violent_Peaceful_Protesters_Denied_15185.html
	\| accessdate = 2008-03-15 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Staff
	\| title =Scientologists seek restraining order
	\| work =]
	\| publisher =News Limited
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,23369220-5014239,00.html
	\| accessdate =2008-03-15 }}
	#{{cite news
	\| last =Sarno
	\| first =David (])
	\| title =Internet unites, emboldens critics of Scientology
	\| work =]
	\| date =], ]
	\| url =http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080315/FEAT04/803150365
	\| accessdate =2008-03-15 }}
	{{refend}}
	I know I've been falling behind in adding some of these newer sources to the article, I've got a lot on my plate at the moment but I'll try to catch up with it all soon. ] (]) 22:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

	== Physical attacks by the church against Anonymous! ==

	This should be added to an article, the physical attacks by church members against anonymous:
	:Egg attack
	:Kick in first protest by that lady
	:Hammer attack on Mark Bunker
	:March 15 PI with gun (no attack, but had a gun) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	Yet, Anonymous has done NO physical attacks.

	Yeah we rock! ] (]) 21:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

	== Unlock Article ==

	Enough time has passed. We should unlock the article and allow anonymous IP editors. If the vandalism becomes an issue again it can be relocked easliy enough, though I doubt that will happen. ] (]) 21:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I highly doubt that the article would not be disrupted by frequent vandalism. ] (]) 21:59, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
	::There are numerous grammatical errors, mostly punctuation outside of quotation marks that need to be corrected.] (]) 14:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::That is generally the accepted style for quotation usage. Any specific examples? Btw, we are still getting vandalism even ''with'' the semi-protection. ] (]) 14:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::Page protection should only be used when absolutely necessary. Indefinite semi-protection may only be applied to pages with ''endemic vandalism problems'', meaning excessive vandalism that persists even when attention on the subject is relatively low. This page has not been unprotected long enough to determine if such vandalism problems exist. It was only unprotected during a short period of time immediately following Chanology's creation when it was an internet hot topic. ] (]) 15:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Perhaps, however the ongoing spots of vandalism even with the current protection level leads me to believe that only further disruption would be caused by its removal. ] (]) 15:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Theres only one way to find out. I suggest unprotection for a short probation period, after which we may decide whether or not to protect it again. ] (]) 15:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	I put in an unprotect request at ]. Hopefully there won't be much vandalism. :( ] (]) 15:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	:May the force be with us. ] (]) 17:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	::]. ] (]) 17:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	::: +1, Cirt, +1... Also, I do agree with the short probation idea. We'll never know if it will work unless we try.] (]) 18:51, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::Sooo..... ] (]) 15:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::::You added a request for the wrong page, Cirt >.> Readding. ] (]) 18:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::::I did? I could have sworn I added a request for the page ], no? ] (]) 20:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

	Gentlemen, this is not 12 year old boys we would be dealing with here, if vandalism occured. This would be vandalism by /b/tards, and seeing as semi-protection has done little to avoid some minor vandalism, that would not really change, as /b/tards are not idiots, and can circumvent stuff like semi-protection... (make an account, leave for 4 days etc). So really is there any need? 21:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	==POV tag==
	I have added an POV tag, as this article is clearly biased in it's analysis of this group, turning "Anonymous" into the underdog and wholely making Misplaced Pages a less credible source. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Please explain specifically what you feel is POV in this article and how that can be addressed. ] (]) 20:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
	::I would say the article is a bit POV, but in the opposite direction, biased against the group. ] (]) 23:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Agree w/ {{user\|Z00r}}, but I have no problems with removing the {{tl\|pov}} tag in that case. ] (]) 23:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
	The information is all truthful, I dont see how it is POV. It is just writing truths and information. If it looks bad it is the POV of the person reading it and not the writers fault. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	* ] (]) 06:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Indeed, the FreedomFighter4all account seems to be a sockpuppet concerned only with this topic. Moreover, though, no examples of POV are given nor is there any consensus thereof. Removing POV tag unless/until that changes. ] (]) 10:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Agree with {{user\|Arabik}}, {{user\|Sc00baSteve}}, and {{user\|Z00r}}, no need for the tag. ] (]) 20:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

	== London Anon & Court Summons ==


	Teenager faces prosecution for calling Scientology 'cult'
	guardian.co.uk - UK

	http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/may/20/1?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

	London Police Protect Scientology From Teen's Sign
	Gawker - New York,NY,USA

	http://gawker.com/392104/london-police-protect-scientology-from-teens-sign

	] (]) 06:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTCKs6v_vfg add this video, for more infomation, sorry not a regular user and would not know how to put it into an artical without damage. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	* http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2008/05/pc-run-amok-uk-cops-bust-teen-for-calling-scientology-a-cult/ PC Run Amok: UK Cops Bust Teen For Calling Scientology a Cult \| DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird

	* http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=148732&in_page_id=34 Teen in trouble for calling Scientology 'a cult' \| Metro.co.uk

	* http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/05/398728.html UK Indymedia - City of London police harass protestor to protect Scientology cult

	* http://www.schnews.org.uk/ SchNEWS - direct action protest demonstrations - free weekly newsletter - crap arrest, climate change, party, DIY, Brighton, animal rights, asylum, permaculture, privatisation, neoliberal, media, copyleft, globalisation

	* http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/20/city_london_scientology_protest_summons/ Teen battles City of London cops over anti-Scientology placard \| The Register

	* http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=70877 UK: 15 Year Old Prosecuted for Calling Scientology a 'Cult'

	* http://gawker.com/392104/london-police-protect-scientology-from-teens-sign Anonymous: London Police Protect Scientology From Teen's Sign

	* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1997376/Boy-faces-court-for-Scientology-placard.html Boy faces court for Scientology placard - Telegraph

	] (]) 11:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I see someone already added a little bit about this, will get on some addition/copyediting soon. ] (]) 20:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

	== Moved cat to "Critics of Scientology" ==

	I've moved the article from ] to ], as the topic of the article is the critical group itself, and that's a subcat of Scientology Controversies anyway. Any objections, please feel free to move back :-) - ] (]) 09:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
	:Agree w/ change. ] (]) 10:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

	== BRD: Religious persecution ==

			I can't see anything in the article about the etymology of the word "Chanology". Is it derived from 4chan/711chan? If so (or even if not), surely there's a reliable source somewhere that can be found for it? Not knowing where the name came from is a serious limitation of the article. ] (]) 13:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
	I reverted someone's bold insertion of Category Religious Persecution. I don't think that it should be applied, per NPOV. Comments?] (]) 04:05, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
			:I found it out by myself. ] (]) 18:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|answered=yes}}
	:Why do think we have such an established category, then? Per the article, it's an anonymous groups that directs its persecution for the purposes not limited to "expel the church from the internet". That includes "], ]es, ]s, and other measures intended to disrupt the Church of Scientology's operations". Then there's the masked protests with vilifying chants and signs, still ongoing. Would it be any less convincing of a case if the stated aims were "expelling Jews from Germany" by means of "], etc"? Would you prefer it if the church members were hospitalised or killed rather than being persecuted off the internet and intimidated in real life. So, be real.] (]) 04:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
			Please create an "Etymology" section at the top of the article, and add:
	::Please read ]. For what its worth, Anonymous has stated on multiple occasions that they are against the corporate nature of the church, and not against its beliefs - in fact many people with the same beliefs OUTSIDE of the corporate church (FreeZoners) support Anonymous. Either way, I don't think that it is NPOV to add that category to this article. However, consensus should be obtained.] (]) 04:41, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
			:"The word "Chanology" is a ] of ] (the site where the project originated) and "Scientology."<ref>{{cite thesis \|last=Huang \|first=Juanjuan \|date=2015 \|title=Values and Symbolism in Anonymous’s Brand Identity \|type=MA thesis \|page=13 \|publisher=Duke University \|url=https://dukespace.lib.duke.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/10161/10356/Values%20and%20Symbolism%20in%20Anonymous%27s%20Brand%20Identity.pdf \|access-date=April 17, 2022}}</ref><ref>{{cite book \|last1=Olson \|first1=Parmy \|title=We Are Anonymous \|date=2013 \|publisher=Random House \|isbn=9781448136155 \|page=476 \|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=ucE1AAAAQBAJ \|access-date=April 17, 2022}}</ref>
	:::Agree w/ {{user\|DigitalC}}. ] (]) 04:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
			{{Reflist-talk}}
	::::Oh great, so you're not suggesting that phone harassment, fax harassment, computer crimes, copyright violation, and real-life stalking and harassment directed solely at a religious group are not-at-all or any less ] .. indeed '''religious''' persecution, are you now??] (]) 04:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
			Please also add {{'"}}Chanology" is a portmanteau of "chan" and "Scientology{{"'}} as the second sentence of the lead. ] (]) 18:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
	:::::Were these actions directed at individuals with those belief, or towards the Church of Scientology itself (and its staff)? I also haven't heard about any stalking/harassment allegations. Source?] (]) 04:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
			:] '''Not done:''' The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to ]. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 12:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
	::(ec x2) Considering that there are religion-related categories attached to the ] page and Anonymous has attacked the Church purely on the basis of its beliefs, I can understand the addition of the religious persecution category on the page. Religious persecution is actually mentioned in the article under the Reaction heading, where Andreas Heldal-Lund says that "attacking Scientology...will just make them play the religious persecution card."
	::However, I agree that more debate is needed here. There's a huge difference between claimed religious persecution and actual religious persecution. And then there's the question of whether or not Scientology is an actual religion. Furthermore, if the aim of Anonymous really is to attack the corporate structure of CoS rather than the belief system (although the two are intertwined), then religious persecution certainly does not apply. --]<sub>(])</sub> 04:46, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Re: to {{user\|Clpo13}} - It is a wholly different matter entirely to add a category implying characterization to an article, without multiple secondary ]/] sources that have previously characterized something in that manner, than to include a quote from ] warning that the ] would attempt to use that very characterization itself. ] (]) 04:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::Quite true, which is why I don't agree with the addition. I simply find it somewhat understandable. --]<sub>(])</sub> 06:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::::Okay. ] (]) 06:32, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
	Update: {{user\|CatUrineCuredMe}} has been blocked indef as a sock of {{user\|DavidYork71}}. ] (]) 12:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
	::::::Amazing, just amazing. A faceless group engaging in ridicule and slander is following through on its threats to "expel" a ] and that doesn't amount to what ] himself foreshadows as ]. Would that be because its criminal activities and intimidation efforts aren't persecution? Or that they're covering what they do with another name for PR purposes (which is what every group of religion persecutors does)? Or is it because they don't want to admit the religious character of the group they are indeed committed to persecuting - I'm sorry but ] with the Church headquarters and its most significant bases recognised as parts a religious organisation and afforded charitable tax exemption accordingly. After that, an attack on what's regarded as a religious group ''somewhere '' becomes a religious persecution anywhere regardless divergent views beyond the shores of the United States. Do you think you know better than the ] in applying its own rules re recognising the religious character of organisations/activities? I certainly don't. I'll respect the professional judgement of the professionals, hence in all the circumstances the categorisation is appropriate.] (]) 03:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::::::"its criminal activities and intimidation efforts" Which group are we talking about here? ] (]) 06:51, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
	Do we have any ] describing this as persecution, other than COS claiming it is persecution? I did a google news search for 'perseuction and scientology', and couldn't find anything like that.] (]) 07:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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To-do list for Project Chanology: edit · history · watch · refresh · Updated 2008-06-17

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Etymology

I can't see anything in the article about the etymology of the word "Chanology". Is it derived from 4chan/711chan? If so (or even if not), surely there's a reliable source somewhere that can be found for it? Not knowing where the name came from is a serious limitation of the article. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:D58E:EA80:4B3D:5445 (talk) 13:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I found it out by myself. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:D58E:EA80:4B3D:5445 (talk) 18:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

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Please create an "Etymology" section at the top of the article, and add:

"The word "Chanology" is a portmanteau of 4chan (the site where the project originated) and "Scientology."

References

Huang, Juanjuan (2015). Values and Symbolism in Anonymous’s Brand Identity (PDF) (MA thesis). Duke University. p. 13. Retrieved April 17, 2022.
Olson, Parmy (2013). We Are Anonymous. Random House. p. 476. ISBN 9781448136155. Retrieved April 17, 2022.

Please also add '"Chanology" is a portmanteau of "chan" and "Scientology"' as the second sentence of the lead. 2001:BB6:4713:4858:D58E:EA80:4B3D:5445 (talk) 18:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

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