| Revision as of 21:53, 13 July 2008 editQuackGuru (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users79,978 edits Elonka acknowledged the wording of that specific phrase is identical to a previous version of the article. Restoring deleted content is the definition of a revert. See WP:3RR.← Previous edit | Latest revision as of 17:07, 30 December 2024 edit undoJonesey95 (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Page movers, Mass message senders, Template editors373,260 editsm Fix Linter errors. | ||
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| QuackGuru, enough, you are now arguing with two different administrators about the definition of "revert". I recommend that you take a break, and avoid posting at ] for a day. If you disagree, I can upgrade this to a formal ban, but I'm hoping that simply asking you to take a break will suffice. Please go work on something else for awhile? --]]] 19:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::::::Ludwigs2 restored the deleted information. | |||
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| ::::::::This was a revert by Ludwigs2. ] 19:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| : I would rather that you didn't, because you are again mis-defining the term "revert". I am keeping close tabs on Ludwigs2's edits, and have been engaging him in discussion at his talkpage. If he makes a real revert, I assure you I'll be dealing with him very rapidly. --]]] 19:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Ludwigs2 restored the identical part of the sentence that was previously deleted. It was a real revert. ] 19:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Still not a revert, because he substantially changed the paragraph. Yes the wording in that specific quote is the same, but it's a quote, so of course it is going to be the same. To call it a "revert", I'd want to see something that was more specific, where the edit obviously removed or re-added ''just'' the text in a previous edit, without changing anything else towards trying to find a compromise. --]]] 19:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::It was still a revert based on what is a revert. ] 20:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| == <s>Copyvio on Health effects of electronic cigarettes</s> == | |||
| Please read ]. Ludwigs2 edit was a revert because Ludwigs2 . ] 20:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
| : I am very familiar with 3RR. The definition of "restoring deleted content", would more apply to something like what Jossi did, which was just copy/pasting information in from a previous version of the article, but without making any attempt to change the text. Let me try and explain it another way: The goal of the editing conditions, is to help the editors on the page try to find a compromise wording. This will probably involve having some text by some editors, and some text by others. That's okay, and that's not a revert. Or to put it another way: If one editor adds "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ" to the article, and another editor deletes half, leaving "ABCDEFGHIJKLM", and then the first editor changes it to "ABCDEFGHIKJKLMSTUVXY", and then the other editor changes it to ABCDEFGHIJKLMNSUV", and the other editor says, "Okay, I can live with that." Neither one of them is reverting. They are both ''changing'' the text, in a back and forth method, trying to find a compromise. Does that make more sense? --]]] 20:41, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::There was no change to the specific text and that's a real revert. | |||
| Withdrawn.⸺] 07:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Elonka wrote in part: Yes the wording in that specific quote is the same, but it's a quote, so of course it is going to be the same. | |||
| ::Based on what is a revert Ludwigs2 made a real revert. Is that clear enough for you? ] 20:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::: To prove it was a revert, I would like to see a diff that shows an exact one-to-one correspondence between an original edit, and a new edit. If the wording is changed, or new sources are added, it is not a revert. It is clear that you are not understanding the definition of revert, in the context of the editing conditions. But that's why we have uninvolved administrators here. In the future, when you see something that you think is a revert, you can bring it up, but if an uninvolved admin says, "No, that's not a revert," then you should accept that and move on. Continuing to bring up the same thing over and over, is not helpful. Also, in terms of Ludwigs2's edits, he is obviously embarked on a major series of changes to the article. Rather than scrutinizing every edit, better would be to wait a few hours, until he's done, and then look at the entire set of changes. If he's just bit by bit reverting to an earlier version (which I don't think he is), it'll show up when he's done. There's no need to critique each small change. Please, try working on something else for awhile? There are many other areas of Misplaced Pages which could benefit from your attention. Check something at ], or add a stub to fill in a redlink, such as at ]. Or, just click on ] a few times. I usually find that within a dozen clicks, I have either found something that I want to fix, or at least tag as needing cleanup. :) --]]] 21:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Elonka wrote in part: Yes the wording in that specific quote is the same, but it's a quote, so of course it is going to be the same. | |||
| ::::Elonka acknowledged the text is the same. Readding the same text is clearly a revert per ]. | |||
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| ::::but criticizes its rhetorical style as "perhaps not the best way to win an argument, especially with serious-minded people." | |||
| :{{ping|Randomstaplers}} QuackGuru always followed sources very closely to minimize misinterpretation of what the source said but, as I remember, the wording was substantially rearranged and not a copyvio problem. I know copyright checking is painful and I don't want to add to the stress but would it be possible to give, say, two examples of text added to Misplaced Pages and the corresponding originals? I had a quick look at ] but found it hard to identify a problem. Perhaps you could add an example at ]. Thanks. ] (]) 05:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::but criticizes its rhetorical style as "perhaps not the best way to win an argument, especially with serious-minded people." | |||
| <s>::* @]: Go to https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ and paste in the URLs from the CCI. This is pretty bad.⸺] 05:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)</s> | |||
| ::::Ludwigs2 .] 21:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Withdrawn. So far only one copyvio. Sorry for the trouble. I'll leave this up in case anyone else is confused. ⸺] 07:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Yes, the wording of that specific phrase is identical to a previous version of the article. If that was the ''only'' thing that he was restoring, then it would be a revert. But it's not the only thing he's restoring. He also is making many other changes, which seem to be a good faith effort to be sensitive to previous concerns, in an attempt to try and find a compromise version. That's not a revert, that's more of a "negotiative edit". Now please, stop calling it a revert, otherwise you may run afoul of ]. I recommend waiting a day, letting Ludwigs2 finish with his edits, and then you (or anyone else) can go in and continue to edit the article, in an attempt to change wording to something that you like better. Then Ludwigs2 (or anyone) can make their own edits, and back and forth. If certain phrases get restored and deleted in this back and forth process, that's okay, as it's part of consensus-building, as long as each side makes a good faith effort to try and find a compromise from previous versions. --]]] 21:37, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Elonka acknowledged: Yes, the wording of that specific phrase is identical to a previous version of the article. | |||
| :@] Withdrawn the CCI, only one actual copyvio so far: this , with this . ⸺] 07:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Restoring deleted content is the definition of a revert. That's a revert, and not a "negotiative edit". | |||
| ::@] I've gone ahead and addressed it. Hoping that's all of them.⸺] 08:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Making other changes does not change the fact that it was revert. The same text was restored which counts as a revert according to ]. | |||
| :::Thanks for your work! ] (]) 09:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::It is a revert (readding the same exact text) based on what is a revert per ]. ] 21:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
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- @Randomstaplers: QuackGuru always followed sources very closely to minimize misinterpretation of what the source said but, as I remember, the wording was substantially rearranged and not a copyvio problem. I know copyright checking is painful and I don't want to add to the stress but would it be possible to give, say, two examples of text added to Misplaced Pages and the corresponding originals? I had a quick look at Health effects of electronic cigarettes but found it hard to identify a problem. Perhaps you could add an example at Talk:Health effects of electronic cigarettes. Thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 05:39, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
::* @Johnuniq: Go to https://copyvios.toolforge.org/ and paste in the URLs from the CCI. This one is pretty bad.⸺RandomStaplers 05:47, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Withdrawn. So far only one copyvio. Sorry for the trouble. I'll leave this up in case anyone else is confused. ⸺RandomStaplers 07:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq Withdrawn the CCI, only one actual copyvio so far: this Diff, with this document. ⸺RandomStaplers 07:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq I've gone ahead and addressed it. Hoping that's all of them.⸺RandomStaplers 08:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your work! Johnuniq (talk) 09:37, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnuniq I've gone ahead and addressed it. Hoping that's all of them.⸺RandomStaplers 08:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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