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Your revert on Gjirokastër is plain desperate. Do not delete other sources and other sourced information in fear of trying to remove the greek minority. Its already mentioned the greek minority recognised by any albanian and we do not care to turn wikipedia into a propagandistic platform. The anti communist movement is a whole albanian movement politically there was nothing ethnic going on. They were democrats no matter the ethnicity. Otherwise i would be obligated to report this revert. ] (]) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
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:Looking at your contribs, almost every single one of your edits is intended to minimise or erase any mention of the Greek minority in Albania. Don't bother denying it, it's plain as day. You literally do nothing else around here. So, go ahead and "report" whatever you want, just be aware that it likely ]. ] (]) 16:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


:Btw, I don't disagree regarding the Hoxha statue, but the rest of your edits on that article were provocative and problematic. ] (]) 16:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
== Ancient Greece ==


If you dont disagree regarding the issue on Hoxha statue what is the problem then. You even are reverting the name misspell. And deleting other sources that i am puting. ] (]) 18:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Yia sou, Tsourkpk. I've seen your comment on ] and I agree (as you can see from my comment right above yours). The topic is too important to be left in this state. I didn't know what you say about schoolkids being encouraged to edit, but the daily experience of watching this article strongly suggests you are right. Alas, I am not a professional classicist, are you? Also, I think that the article is a task that might require some time, some discussion, and a team of authors who are willing and able to contribute. They'd have to agree on a series of sections, prepare them on their own sandboxes (with references), and then overhaul the article in one go, and watch it ever after... Should it be, in your opinion, a long essay on Ancient Greek civilisation as a whole, or perhaps a series of shorter introductions, linking to the more detailed wikipedia articles on the relevant topics? Is there anyone else out there who feels this needs attention? ] (]) 00:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


I repeat the greek minority its already mentioned. Nobody is deleting the minority. But the statue demolition had no ethnic purposes. ] (]) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
== Pelasgians ==


Also your source doesnt mention that it was the ethnic greeks the ones who destroyed the statue. It was the last statue to be destroyed in Albania ] (]) 19:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Just so you know Tsourkpk, ] has reviewed the paragraph supporting the Albanian-Pelasgian connection and has decided to remove the majority of its content (except for one sentence that is actually relevant to the ] article). Anyway, if you want to contribute to the discussion, then by all means participate. I would greatly appreciate your input. Thanks. ] (]) 17:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


:Because you removed the pic of the polyphonic group, and the similarities to Mount Pelion houses. Did you forget that? You are just going around removing anything that you don't like it, and that's not ok. ] (]) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
== Pelasgians (again) ==


I didnt removed any pic on the Gjirokaster County. Derviçan is not part of the Town of Gjirokastër. You dont see me removing anything that i am not aware on Derviçan article. And also i dont see the stone roofs of Gjirokaster mentioned in Pelion article too. There is reciprocity. To me it looks like you are pushing to add as many Greek information as you could. Which for me still its not a problem if those are relevant. But specifically on these cases they are not relevant. ] (]) 20:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Just so you know Tsourkpk, I tried to convince ] to fix the "paragraph" supporting the so-called Albanian-Pelasgian connection. Unfortunately, I did not get a response from him. I think that you (or even ]) should do the honors of following through with Dbachmann's critical review. This issue has to come to a close. I would greatly appreciate your help. Thanks. ] (]) 17:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)


:Dervican is literally next door to Gjirokaster, there is absolutely no reason to remove it, unless of course it is to hide the Greek minority in the region. ] (]) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
== Question ==
::You are accusing him of hiding greek minority yet u seem to be supporitng that obsured claim . In 19th century we have many writers and even ethno graphic maps saying no greek in albania but albanians in south epirus or Çameria before they were killed in çam genocide . So when did the greeks magically appear ? Even in the 20th century u have maps still showing Gjirokaster in Albanian ethnicity like this :https://picryl.com/search?q=EthnicAlbania1911%20-%20Public%20domain%20geographic%20map. If you would be familiar with the issue you would even know a lot of albanians declare greek just for a passport in this modern day . ] (]) 20:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)


Next door or not its not part of Gjirokastër. Just like Lazarat which is in the middle of Gjirokaster and Derviçan can not be in the article about Derviçan. Thats what i call reciprocity. Unless you are being paranoid not everything i do is linked with ethnic greek stuff. ] (]) 08:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello and sorry to annoy you.Your frontpage says you are interested in maps.I uploaded this after hard work with many books but i cant understand how to place it in Epirus and Epirus-related subjects like personalities and the such.Could you help?Also check the talk page it has for explanation in several questions regarding specific tribes. ] (]) 20:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello what do you think of this one? Ok i found out how.] 14:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
<p>Can you check these out and tell me what you think? I ll be improving on the Illyrian and Thracin even more as soon as possible.] (]) 23:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


You wouldn't agree (neither would i for that matter) putting ethnic albanian gjirokastrit stuff into derviçan article. So lets set a common ground of reciprocity and contribute together. ] (]) 09:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
No such thing as EPIROTIC??


Have we reached a consensus? ] (]) 00:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/alban/blanchus/blanc.htm


Lmaooo,gjirokaster's population is majority albanian ive never seen a greek in there, poor greek guy who keeps editing wikipedia articles out of desperation that his country has fake history


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No such thing as EPIROTIC??


==April 2023==
http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/alban/blanchus/blanc.htm
Your recent edits are not improvements, the wording "among the oldest continuously inhabited cities" is accurate, while "continuously inhabited since antiquity" is incorrect, those sites have been inhabited long before antiquity. – ] (]) 18:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


:You are not only falsifying the source (it makes no such claim, not even closely), you are adding ] )to the lede of high visibility articles), and you also have zero evidence that these cities that they have been inhabited "long before antiquity", let alone "continuously". 2,200 years of history is nothing by world standards. There are at least 50-60 cities in Europe with longer histories, and that's not even including the dozens of older cities in Asia and Africa. This is POV-pushing of the crudest kind, and there is no way it can stand. Your edits and behavior are damaging the credibility of the encyclopedia. My edits are a reasonable compromise and in accordance with the source. If you continue this behavior, I will seek assistance from the community, and your credibility will suffer. ] (]) 18:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
::I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – ] (]) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
:::In the articles, you claimed "cities", not sites, which is neither sourced nor accurate. My edits were perfectly in line with the source. Anyway, your latest edits are satisfactory and there is no need for community involvement. ] (]) 20:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


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==Saranda==
Hi! You reverted my amends saying they were "unexplained mass deletions". They were not. I was merely rearranging the information into topic headings, subed into native English and add a link to Ksamil. You may care to restore my amends. No offence intended, but a brief read would have made this clear. I certainly don't wish to start a content fight; my intention was to improve the content. ] (]) 23:16, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


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Can you please take a look at the edits by ] ? He is adding info from ultra-nationalistic site (illyrians.org) and I have already reverted him three times... ] (]) 22:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


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:The truth will come out one day. For me Misplaced Pages has become nothing more than your propaganda. You can't give any valid arguments if something is wrong in the quoted tekst from illyrians.org. You are a sad example of someone that can't win an argument with facts. You accuse the site illyrians.org of being ultra-nationalistic. The same can be said of all the contributrions you made to wikipedia. I demand arbitrage by non-greek people. Probably you are to affraid for that and you will delete this again ] (]) 14:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


==Brill sources==
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Long time no speak. I stumbled across these sources at Brill, thought you might be interested.-- Take care, - ] (]) 01:33, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


:Thank you my friend, these will be useful. Always nice to hear from you. Take care. ] (]) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
== Slavic toponyms for Greek places ==
Thank for your time to participate.
It seems that not to many want to participate!!!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places#Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places
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I find this slightly disturbing in terms of ]. ] (]) 19:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you Tsourkpk! The article had alot and serius problems!
I am glad I could help
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:I am constantly on the receiving end of all sorts of taunts by a group of editors, and am currently collecting it for a possible future case. The taunting is non-stop, in almost every interaction, and I am at my wits' end. Please advise. ] (]) 19:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


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==Turkish names for Greek places==
Like you, I am unenthused about having Turkish names in the '''lead''' sentence for most Greek places. However, I am not so sure about omiting them in the "history" section. It was part of their history to be called something else. I hope this can be recognized. ] (]) 01:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


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:Clearly your knowledge of Greek history well exceeds my own. I defer to your good judgement! ] (]) 02:24, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


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::i got revert limits and the Chaonian article is ruined...] (]) 18:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC) you keep reverting my edits even though i gave sources. You are a biased nationalistic greej ] (]) 12:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)


i do not care about your opinions, i am making a better a wikipedia contributing and spreading the real history, and no im not a nationalist, and i am citing sources also
:::I saw that. I'll see what I can do. --] (]) 19:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::He misinterprets sources that are primary and my myriad secondary sources are ignored. And i get punished! The article is awful now. He just insists the page is full of sources from me that show they were greek with no doubt.] (]) 19:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


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::::I'm getting involved with this specifically because I have no particular interest in the outcome. I'm not punishing Megistias (unless he does something to deserve it). I've been careful to distinguish primary from secondary sources. And the article is not ruined. ] (]) 20:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Title ] (]) 05:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::Well, Megistias is referring to the fact that he got slapped with WP:ARBMAC and that the user who provoked this edit-war got away scott-free, not something you did. I also tend to think that this is somewhat unfair. Concerning sources, it is my understanding that the ancient, primary sources break down as follows: Plutarch explicitly states the Chaonians were Greek, Thucydides mentions them as "barbarians" (which may or may not mean they were Greek), Pseudo-Scylax simply omits them, while Hecateus of Miletus mentions them as Greek. Just like the secondary sources, no primary sources explicitly says they were non-Greek. And if they were Illyrian or Thracian (the only two non-Greek possibilities), there would exist a source that would mention that. To my knowledge, such a source, primary or secondary, does not exist. Rather, as Megistias points out, it seems there is overwhelming evidence that they were Greek. Therefore, the summary to your recent edit is perplexing. As far as I can tell, there is no disagreement among ancient sources either. --] (]) 20:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


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== Slavic toponymes of Greek place names3 ==
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==Slavic toponymes out of control==
:Because you falsified "Greek" to "Anatolian" despite this being contradicted by the sources, and re-added citations to the lede despite it being explained to you that that's not appropriate. ] (]) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
What can we do with this article? Should we put it again up for deletion?
Should we only rename it? User Carlosouares is writing an article for every part of Greece based on the biased book of Simovski.
I don’t think that he has realized the mistake he is doing. He thinks that he is fighting nationalists!!
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::Todor Hristov Simovski is a 100 % questionable source.All and any material ,references and articles based on him must be removed.He is POV and his books are unverifiable."Aegean Macedonia"? The book is nationalistic to say the least and nothing more the Irredentism.How did this get through in wiki.Everything must be removed and appropriate measures be taken.] (]) 10:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::His book is irredendist..Immediate purge is needed.] (]) 11:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::The material has been scanned by someone here,obviously some irredendist from fyrom.See Simovski's bio and material from the Book.Clearly material that is trash.Even if this gets closed i have saved the related material.The articles should be deleted and any and all refs with this "simovski".] (]) 11:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
*You all claim that Simovski isn't reliable - do you have a reliable source as to (a) which ethnicities were majorities during various periods in these areas of Greece; and (b) what those people called their villages and towns? Simovski cites the Greek laws that made the changes in names. You concede that there was a change in ethnicity in population exchange, etc. Your buddy is removing Vlach names from Vlach places as well. Again, the Slavic names may have derived from the Greek, the Turkish, Albanian, or whatever, but it is what the Slavic people called these places. And as for "Aegean Macedonia" being problematic, it is the normal formulation of the region in Macedonian, Bulgarian, and Serbian sources, just as "East Thrace" is normal in Greek sources for European Turkey, even though the Turks don't like that formulation. I have asked Seleukos to show any error in Simovski information and he has been unable to do so, so while you all claim to have problems with the source, you have not come up with any contrary information (if you do, add it to the articles) or disproven any of information I have added. ] (]) 16:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World,by Loring M. Danforth,Page 41,"When Greek Macedonia was liberated in 1913 43% of the population was Greek,40 percent Moslem and 10% Bulgarian".On the populace.
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Read any article on any country and you'll find that the history section talks about the history of the area the country occupies. You'll find Celts in Spanish and French history, Siouxs and Apaches in US history etc. You'll find Alexander the Great mentioned in the history sections of many countries, none of which he was connected with. Just to make myself clear, I no way was Alexander and the ancient Macedonians connected to present day Macedonians nor any Slavic groups, but that's not the point. As I said, '''every''' country has a history section going back in time to before the current country was established. ] (]) 21:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:You're probably right, the Paeonians are dealt with in too much detail and the whole piece could be better written and more clearly focused. If you can manage a shorter version that keeps Alexander and make a brief mentioning of the Paeonians, that would be ideal! Cheers ] (]) 22:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


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::Any use for this? Its mentions locations ]] (]) 22:34, 20 March 2008 (UTC) :You didn't "correct" anything, there are five sources in the article that state she was Greek, you just falsified it because ]. Don't do it again. ] (]) 19:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
::This too ]] (]) 22:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


==Template:Greeks==
:::Not sure. If only we had something similar for 500 BC..


Hello. As you can see I am still dissatisfied with the situation at the template. You expressed room for compromise at that RfC. Does this still stand? ] ] ] 06:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
== Him again ==


:Can you refresh my memory? I do not quite recall which RfC you are referring to. ] (]) 15:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
::He just strolls around in his sockpuppet form and changes the lights of everything.] (]) 11:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
::This one . I do not blame you as it was rather a shitshow.
::My issue is that I find the inclusion of Aromanians and Slavic-speakers along with Macedonians and Phanariots under a group called "Northern Greeks" as original research and not accurately reflective of their distinctiveness. Even if seen from the view of being Greeks today, the histories and languages of these groups make them more different from both Macedonians or Athenians than Macedonians and Athenians are different from each other. Same with the Arvanites and Souliotes. Do you catch me here? I think these groups should have their own group in the template, not named an OR name such as "Northern Greeks" which might appear to readers to be some already well-defined subgroup, and not together with regular Greek subgroups. I chose "Groups of non-Greek origin" as it feels pretty neutral to me but I'd be okay with some other title. What do you think? ] ] ] 23:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
:::I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. ] (]) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
::::A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". ] (]) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::That would work as well. ] (]) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. ] ] ] 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. ] (]) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::::They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. {{u|Piccco}}, may you offer a third view? ] ] ] 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. ] ] ] 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Indeed. Thank you for being collaborative. ] (]) 21:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)


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==Consenus breached, need support==

Hello Tsourkpk, contrary to a reached consensus there is a splitting going on instead a merging: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Kosovo#Split_completed And I would appreciate your assistance. Thank you! --] (]) 05:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Koine Eastern Mediterranean ==

::] look at this ridiculous thing] (]) 13:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

:::A classic troll. I'd report him to ANI and be done with it. --] (]) 17:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Stefov et al. ==

Why not? Including the authors from Turkey and FYROM only makes it obvious that this whole argument of the westerners is antihellenic and the quote from Rosenberg and Gabb at the end shows it plainly. All without going out and explicitly calling it such, but simply letting the facts speak for themselves. Basically the paragraph paints them as the hate filled little antihellenist nazis they are all without saying so explicitly. I'd like to hear your thoughts.] (]) 18:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, I looked at Stefov's website and it is your typical fringe-lunatic website of the usual sort. As for Bolokbashi, he seems to be a political hack on a Turkish government payroll (of the Polat Kaya type). I see your point, but I feel such trash doesn't belong in a Misplaced Pages article and moreover including them (even in the way you have in mind) automatically lends them an aura of respectability. An uninformed reader might not see them for what they are. As for the Western view, I feel that it is very common (I can't tell you how many times I've come across it), no matter how much we may dislike it. In a much older version of the article, this was addressed very well by the following passage (now deleted):

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"Other scholars, notably popular in Nazi Germany, have supported the refuted theories of the 19th century historian Jakob Philipp Fallmerayer, who claimed that the ancient Greeks genetically disappeared at some point, and as modern Greeks have no genetic or cultural connection to them, Europe owes them nothing. It should be noted that Fallmerayer's theories specifically aimed at the Greeks of Morea (Peloponnese), which at the time constituted less than a sixth of the overall Greek population, a fact which was being constantly ignored by his later supporters. His essays were refuted by numerous scholars of his time and were characterised by the Bavarian Academy of Sciences and Humanities as biased and unscientific."
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:It seems to me that what you have in mind is similar to the above passage, which I think does an excellent job of exposing this view for what it is. I propose re-adding it into the section, while taking care it doesn't become too big. Let me know what you think. --] (]) 18:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

::I don't disagree. I only included the links in case anyone questioned whether there are Turks and Slavs who make these statements. I don't think there is any point in refuting Fallme since simply linking him to the Nazis with several citations discredits him more effectively than if we even deign refuting it. I will however be adding a citation on the genetics section on the low R1a1 (Slavic haplotype) occurence among Greeks (11%). Btw among Fyromians it is 35% which is the average for most Slavic people. Who would have thought...] (]) 19:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

::Nah, keep them both out. I concur with Tsourkpk that Stefov and Bolokbashi are nonsense. But that old hat about Fallerayer-bashing is silly too. Especially that cheap rhetorical trick guilt-by-association trick ("notably popular in Nazi Germany"), which sat there unsourced for years, and the following completely OR argument. ] ] 19:16, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:::OK then, let's keep the passage about Fallmerayer as is, and add something about the R1a1 data. I can't believe I didn't think of it earlier. I believe you have the article that appeared in 2000 in ''Science'' by Semino et al. in mind? --] (]) 19:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== Your question ==

Hello!

The answer to your question is . ] <small>(] • ])</small> 20:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== hello ==

Hello, marry easter for my dear greek orthodox friend. ] (]) 16:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

:Thank you. --] (]) 17:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== greetings ==

Hello, marry easter for my dear greek orthodox friend. ] (]) 16:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


==Famous people==

Come on...it seems you try more than it is needed in order to get a "greek" nature of Saranda, which is not true, as far as we still have a concencus (I mean the first one, some months ago). Who would lie, about personalities that lived in a town, even if it is in albanian. Come on man, don`t be so nationalist......] (]) 20:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't understand what you're complaining about. The requirement for sourcing applies to everything, whether it is "Albanisation" or "famous people". Those are just the rules of Misplaced Pages. Take a look at this assessment for the article on Gjirokaster by a neutral user: ]. As for being nationalistic, tt seems you are the one who is implementing a double standard for sourcing: For Albanisation (which I dropped), you require very explicitly and specifically that a source in English says both "Albanisation" and "Saranda" in the same sentence (a rather strict requirement), yet here we are supposed to just take your word that these people are famous? The reason I object to them being included for now is not because they are ethnically Albanian, but because no one's ever heard of them outside Albania. That's probably why you haven't been able to find any sources in English about them and why the admin Cbrown agreed with my request. If these people were truly famous outside Albania, it wouldn't be hard to find material about their famousness in English. I'm sorry, but random websites and blogs simply won't do (a slippery slope, in fact). Feel free to ask anyone you want about this (Future Perfect, as an example), they'll tell you the same thing. --] (]) 21:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please see my answer in ] talk page. ] (]) 14:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


I will ensure you that I am not a nationalist...but when you find a map (dubius at least) which says something untrue, I become such. There are four zones of greek majority in Albania, the Dropull zone (near Gjirokaster), the Vurg zone (near Saranda), the Himara town and Narta village. But ok, I assume that your map is right. It is said that there is a "forte majorite grek", Who can ensure me that this "majorite" is in the city of Korca and not in the sorrund villages??????? Please do not be blind with the history you learn in school, or by the Karaxaferidhes of your parliament. If I was, I would revert Atica`s pages, saying that they were arvanites there. It is the same shit. Find some kind of written references, like this ethnicity is x% that is y% and do not add any town with this "mappy" references...] (]) 20:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

:I will provide you with one shortly if you can be a little patient. BTW, the map is not dubious at all. It is from a very prestigious newspaper (one of the best out there, in fact). I think part of the problem is that being new to Misplaced Pages, you might be unfamiliar with the guidelines regarding sources. In that case I urge you to familiarize yourself with ], which should make everything clearer. --] (]) 20:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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==Alexander the Great==
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== Al Beyrat ==

Προφανές τι thέλει. Όμως βάζοντας στο κείμενο τις 3 χώρες όπως τις έβαλα εγώ δηλ. τη δημοκρατία από τα πάνω μετά από την Αλ Μπανία φαίνεται ακόμα καλύτερα πόση σχέση έχουν. ;) Δεν είμαι εντελώς βλαξ. ] (]) 18:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Και να ενδιαφερόταν κανένας πραγματικά για το NPOV να πεις πάεει στον Αδη. ] (]) 18:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:Αfou epemene toso na vgei to tag gia to wikiproject Greece, as meinoun ektws kai ta synxrona kratoi apo to intro. Emmenw s'ayto. Nomizw pws dyskola tha mporesei na ferei antirhsh sta epixeireimata mou peri "cultural region of ancient Greece" kai "time period", kai nomizw pws stekontai logika apo mona tous, asxetws to discussion. Symfonhsa na bgei to "greek history" ws compromise, e as mas synantisei kai aytos sta misa tou dromou. Oxi na ypoxorhsoume kai se ola. --] (]) 18:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

::Siga mi DE ferei antirisi se "cultural region". Profanes trollaki. Tespa. Pantos an epimeinei, skepsou auto pou grafo parapano. Xamenoi de vgainoume, anyway. ] (]) 18:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Alimono mh DEN epimeinei. Opws eipes, kara-trollaki. Etsi pou to vlepw, de tha stamathsei me tipota, opote se kapoia fash tha anamixthoun kai tritoi. Opote to thema einai an exoume peistika epixeirhmata, dyskola tha mporesei na provalei peistikes antirhseis. Telos pantwn, as doume ti tha ginei kai blepoume. Sthn hstath periptosh, kanoume opws les. --] (]) 18:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Note ==

I'm blocking you for 48 hours for your recent disruptive editing and pointless edit-warring: further, per ] you are limited to one revert per page per day for 6 weeks. ] (]) (]) 13:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== see Nearchus Map discussion at Alexander the Great ==

Hello,

I'd just like to inform you that the current map (not the one you re-inserted) also shows the sea-voyage of Nearchus. Therefore there's no reason to re-insert the map you did. It is well-known that Alexander never went further south than the Egyptian capital of Memphis. The map you inserted is therefore not only redundant, but also inaccurate. Cheers. --Tsourkpk (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

: plesae see Nearchus Map discussion at ] ] (]) 22:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Argead dynasty ==

Please look what is going on in the article ].. ] started his POV edits in another ]-related article. - ] (]) 17:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

:Am busy now, but will look into it eventually. --] (]) 20:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Lol ==

I like how the 'list' was removed in the first place but an editor reinserted it with the justification of "rv vandalism" (must have been paying attention). Add to that the mildly racist comment by Keep it Fake, whose motives are as pure as snow...Cheers. ] (]) 22:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'm actually surprised you didn't catch that one before me --). Speaking of inane, have you seen these . Seems like Toci is the new Dodona. --] (]) 22:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::No comment ;). I said all that needs to be said in my last comment towards him. ] (]) 22:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== Macedonia name dispute ==

How does it not have anything to do with the dispute? It has everything to do with it. The section was deleted by user:Hellasforever which is illegal to do. This is not the actual article, it was simply the discussion and I will not allow a random child to delete my words. I have a right to free speech and the articles were going to be added to the article (from non-Macedonians) since they viewed it as relevant! That was the reason it got deleted and it will be reposted in the future. ] (]) 07:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:First of all, don't insult me. One more of those little outbursts and you'll get reported. Now, as far as your postings, I will remind you that article's talk page is for discussing ways to improve the article in question, not for political grandstanding and playing out victim complexes. Your only interest in posting those "news" is to make Greeks look like aggressors and Slavomacedonians as innocent victims, and that's why they were removed. Not to mention most of those "news" outlets are of dubious reliability. Oh and by the way, using other users to get around your topic ban is a definite no-no. --] (]) 07:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

== Crete ==

Ok, I see what you're saying, thanks. I've reverted myself. What would you think about having the Turkish and Bulgarian names at ]? <tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 20:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

== :D ==

Thank you for making the "He's back as an IP" note in 3RR log. Now Izmir Lee cannot edit no more. --] (]) 14:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


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:Ο χρήστης ΑρβερΒοριψι είναι, να μη πω τι είναι, αλλά και εσύ γιατί πας και αφαιρείς το αντίστοιχο Αλβανικό απ'το άρθρο της Ηπείρου; Αλβανικά καταλαβαίνεις, επί τη ευκαιρία; ] (]) 23:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
::Ευχαριστω παιδια.Οπως ειπα και πριν ενταξει ειμαι αρκετα νεος ως editor στη ΒικιΠαιδεια αλλα γενικα΄απο υπολογιστες τα παω καλα.Για το αρθρο της Ηπειρου λαθος τελικα γιατι νομιζα οτι ηταν για την περιφερεια της Ηπειρου και οχι για την περιοχη (region).Αλβανικα καταλαβαινω λιγα μπορει οχι ολες τις λεξεις αλλα νοημα βγαζω πανω κατω.] (]) 08:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reply ==

Please point out where I edit warred on your talk page? Accusing another editor of breaking a rule is a serious offense if unvalidated. ] (]) 21:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

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Gjirokastër

Your revert on Gjirokastër is plain desperate. Do not delete other sources and other sourced information in fear of trying to remove the greek minority. Its already mentioned the greek minority recognised by any albanian and we do not care to turn wikipedia into a propagandistic platform. The anti communist movement is a whole albanian movement politically there was nothing ethnic going on. They were democrats no matter the ethnicity. Otherwise i would be obligated to report this revert. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 16:17, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Looking at your contribs, almost every single one of your edits is intended to minimise or erase any mention of the Greek minority in Albania. Don't bother denying it, it's plain as day. You literally do nothing else around here. So, go ahead and "report" whatever you want, just be aware that it likely won't end well for you. Khirurg (talk) 16:49, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Btw, I don't disagree regarding the Hoxha statue, but the rest of your edits on that article were provocative and problematic. Khirurg (talk) 16:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

If you dont disagree regarding the issue on Hoxha statue what is the problem then. You even are reverting the name misspell. And deleting other sources that i am puting. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I repeat the greek minority its already mentioned. Nobody is deleting the minority. But the statue demolition had no ethnic purposes. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Also your source doesnt mention that it was the ethnic greeks the ones who destroyed the statue. It was the last statue to be destroyed in Albania RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 19:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Because you removed the pic of the polyphonic group, and the similarities to Mount Pelion houses. Did you forget that? You are just going around removing anything that you don't like it, and that's not ok. Khirurg (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I didnt removed any pic on the Gjirokaster County. Derviçan is not part of the Town of Gjirokastër. You dont see me removing anything that i am not aware on Derviçan article. And also i dont see the stone roofs of Gjirokaster mentioned in Pelion article too. There is reciprocity. To me it looks like you are pushing to add as many Greek information as you could. Which for me still its not a problem if those are relevant. But specifically on these cases they are not relevant. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 20:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Dervican is literally next door to Gjirokaster, there is absolutely no reason to remove it, unless of course it is to hide the Greek minority in the region. Khirurg (talk) 02:35, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
You are accusing him of hiding greek minority yet u seem to be supporitng that obsured claim . In 19th century we have many writers and even ethno graphic maps saying no greek in albania but albanians in south epirus or Çameria before they were killed in çam genocide . So when did the greeks magically appear ? Even in the 20th century u have maps still showing Gjirokaster in Albanian ethnicity like this :https://picryl.com/search?q=EthnicAlbania1911%20-%20Public%20domain%20geographic%20map. If you would be familiar with the issue you would even know a lot of albanians declare greek just for a passport in this modern day . Truth t (talk) 20:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Next door or not its not part of Gjirokastër. Just like Lazarat which is in the middle of Gjirokaster and Derviçan can not be in the article about Derviçan. Thats what i call reciprocity. Unless you are being paranoid not everything i do is linked with ethnic greek stuff. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 08:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

You wouldn't agree (neither would i for that matter) putting ethnic albanian gjirokastrit stuff into derviçan article. So lets set a common ground of reciprocity and contribute together. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 09:58, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Have we reached a consensus? RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 00:57, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Lmaooo,gjirokaster's population is majority albanian ive never seen a greek in there, poor greek guy who keeps editing wikipedia articles out of desperation that his country has fake history

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Your recent edits are not improvements, the wording "among the oldest continuously inhabited cities" is accurate, while "continuously inhabited since antiquity" is incorrect, those sites have been inhabited long before antiquity. – Βατο (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

You are not only falsifying the source (it makes no such claim, not even closely), you are adding WP:PUFFERY )to the lede of high visibility articles), and you also have zero evidence that these cities that they have been inhabited "long before antiquity", let alone "continuously". 2,200 years of history is nothing by world standards. There are at least 50-60 cities in Europe with longer histories, and that's not even including the dozens of older cities in Asia and Africa. This is POV-pushing of the crudest kind, and there is no way it can stand. Your edits and behavior are damaging the credibility of the encyclopedia. My edits are a reasonable compromise and in accordance with the source. If you continue this behavior, I will seek assistance from the community, and your credibility will suffer. Khirurg (talk) 18:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
I am talking about 'sites', not 'cities', and 'recorded history' not 'history'. Nevertheless, your edits are inaccurate original research, I changed the content in agreement with the source. – Βατο (talk) 19:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
In the articles, you claimed "cities", not sites, which is neither sourced nor accurate. My edits were perfectly in line with the source. Anyway, your latest edits are satisfactory and there is no need for community involvement. Khirurg (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you my friend, these will be useful. Always nice to hear from you. Take care. Khirurg (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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you keep reverting my edits even though i gave sources. You are a biased nationalistic greej Truth t (talk) 12:52, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, hope you're doing well. Could you please explain why you reverted my last edit on Constantine the Great? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arberiunumk (talk • contribs) 17:48, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Because you falsified "Greek" to "Anatolian" despite this being contradicted by the sources, and re-added citations to the lede despite it being explained to you that that's not appropriate. Khirurg (talk) 17:56, 5 August 2024 (UTC)


I just cited some sources of his Illyrian profile, and corrected that his mother was Anatolian and not Greek, anything wrong with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arberiunumk (talk • contribs) 18:06, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

You didn't "correct" anything, there are five sources in the article that state she was Greek, you just falsified it because you didn't like it. Don't do it again. Khirurg (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. As you can see I am still dissatisfied with the situation at the template. You expressed room for compromise at that RfC. Does this still stand? Super Ψ Dro 06:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Can you refresh my memory? I do not quite recall which RfC you are referring to. Khirurg (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
This one . I do not blame you as it was rather a shitshow.
My issue is that I find the inclusion of Aromanians and Slavic-speakers along with Macedonians and Phanariots under a group called "Northern Greeks" as original research and not accurately reflective of their distinctiveness. Even if seen from the view of being Greeks today, the histories and languages of these groups make them more different from both Macedonians or Athenians than Macedonians and Athenians are different from each other. Same with the Arvanites and Souliotes. Do you catch me here? I think these groups should have their own group in the template, not named an OR name such as "Northern Greeks" which might appear to readers to be some already well-defined subgroup, and not together with regular Greek subgroups. I chose "Groups of non-Greek origin" as it feels pretty neutral to me but I'd be okay with some other title. What do you think? Super Ψ Dro 23:44, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
I see your point and agree that "Northern Greeks" is not a good choice, but I equally dislike "non-Greek origin" because of its exclusive focus on "origin". Perhaps "Assimilated Greeks"? But then Cypriots, Sarakatsani, and Griko would have to be in another category. Khirurg (talk) 23:50, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
A sidebar is supposed to be simply a collection of articles. The previous structure with the note seemed a little weird. Personally, I wouldn't really mind separating the groups, perhaps under a neutral title like "Other groups". Piccco (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
That would work as well. Khirurg (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
The Cypriots, Sarakatsani and Griko could be reorganized in the way I did here , I think it wasn't a bad reorganization. Regarding "Assimilated Greeks" it is acceptable to me, but how about "Assimilated groups"? Is that a deal-breaker for you? It could be more neutral considering some 14%-20% Slavophones identify as ethnic Macedonians (as said in their own article) and how a small number of Greek Aromanians is reported to maintain a non-Greek identity (I don't have a figure here, it's probably lower than the Slavophones). Also for the sake of the minority of Aromanians from outside Greece who generally do not identify with the country. "Other groups" would be the worst option of the three as it wouldn't explain why are these groups singled out in this part of the template. Super Ψ Dro 16:27, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Well the template is about Greeks, so I would prefer "Assimilated Greeks". Any Slavic speakers or Aromanians that do not identify as Greeks are not Greek by definition, and beyond the scope of the template. Khirurg (talk) 17:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
They are, however, within the scopes of the linked articles. Piccco, may you offer a third view? Super Ψ Dro 18:26, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
Hello, apologies for coming back here over this several days later. I have went for "Assimilated Greeks" in the end. Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate that we've managed to find a middle ground. Have a good editing. Super Ψ Dro 21:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Indeed. Thank you for being collaborative. Khirurg (talk) 21:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

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