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Could someone who really knows his stuff please have a look at this article? It's become something of a coatrack for, well, weird ideas, mainly regarding claims about modern-day ethnic groups being members of the mysterious ten lost tribes. There were several recent edits by someone who, from his website, appears to be a Messianic. Obviously, Messianics have the same right to edit articles that anyone else does, but I reverted one of them because it seemed highly POV, unsourced and apparently OR (although I doubt that it was actually original). I'd be more comfortable with more eyes on that revert as well as attention from some of the more knowledgeable members of this project on the overall article.{{unsigned|Steven J. Anderson}}
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== IPA fot Zeev Suraski ==

Could someone provide the IPA for ], the current article is a bit ridiculous. Thanks, <small><font color="AE1C28">]</font><font color="#21468B">]</font> &bull; 2008-06-27 10:14</small>

== Collaboration, trying again ==

I think this WikiProject has a number of dedicated editors, but at the moment it needs to take more ownership for articles under its aegis. I think we need to set some standards for Judaism articles that could be enshrined into a "style guide" of sorts. Issues that we could cover in such a guide are: (1) Hebrew pronunciation and transliteration, (2) Naming and formatting of personalities associated with Judaism (Maimonides versus Rambam, Vilna Gaon versus Gra versus Eliyahu of Vilna etc), etc.

One thing I believe needs to be discussed centrally is how to present daily Jewish practice. It is fairly straightforward, in an article like ] or ], to summarise what the Shulchan Aruch and poskim say about a subject, often with substantial supportive material that confirms that this is daily practice amongst the Orthodox. However, for the sake of NPOV we need to mention the official stance of the major other streams of Judaism. That has nothing to do with mutual recognition, but it has everything to do with documenting Jewish religious practice in an encyclopedic fashion.

I'm very keen to hear some responses to this. Once we have set some general article standards it will be relatively easy to apply these to the "highly accessed" Judaism articles about Shabbat, Yom Tov, Kashrut and so on. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 23:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. Would you like to head up the steering committee? IZAK or somebody tried to establish a standard for transliteration some years back, which prompted some consternation from at least ]] 05:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC).

I can steer all I can, but we need a boat first (i.e. people willing to participate in this process). I can apply my experience from the ], which is a good model that has recently yielded some very good results.

As for transliteration, I think we should primarily use the "neo-sephardi" Israeli spelling with as few diacritics as possible (i.e. the opposite of 1906 JE). ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 05:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:There is already a lot at ]. ] (]) 08:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I support that policy, and am curious what Tomer thinks about it. Another problem that we need to resolve before setting up a system of collaboration is: how do we address differences between streams of Judaism? For instance, many articles on mitzvot and halachot make it sound like their observance is normative in Judaism. Yet, in practice, Jews belonging to Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist etc communities, as well as those who are unaffiliated, would not adhere to these practices. Rather than the unsourced general chestnuts ("The Reform movement does not regard halacha as normative"), how could we possibly - in an NPOV way - point out that there are variances in adherence to these practices? This goes right to the heart of collaboration of this WikiProject being effective and not fraught with conflict. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 08:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's not just differences between sects, but also between individuals -- even Orthodox -- over what can be classified as an authority, or even the interpretation of English! My point is this: we should be able to state differences in views, and to do so in an historical way. Traditional views, and then newer views and practices. Start with Orthodox, and then include different types of observance today. If we go by history, rather than numbers, then readers will get a fair flow in an unambiguous way, without being confused over what "Judaism" says or does on a particular issue. Conservatism tones down Orthodox practice, Reform rejects it, and Reconstructionism gives it a different rationale -- but they are all trying to modify Orthodoxy, and cannot be properly understood without first listing the traditional (Orthodox) practice that each newer group modifies. Finally, some Orthodoxy is acting in a reactionary way, and driving practice further than it may have been practiced historically. This, TOO, is a modification of the traditional. People argue over what is "right", and cannot appeal to a universally recognized authority. Fortunately, Misplaced Pages doesn't care what is "right" but only what "is." History has been documented. We can still argue over it, but after a while one side will begin to look silly -- and then try to bury history and evidence -- and then, hopefully, others will have an objective basis to step in and say "no, we are documenting, not polemicising."] (]) 09:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Tim, what constitutes an accessible reliable source that illustrates Conservative or Reform practice? We are going to have problems with ]. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 13:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

:That's a good question. Most of my experience is Orthodox. I've SEEN Reform Responsa, but have no idea how authoritative it is to that group. I would suspect that Conservative and Reform Jews would be able to answer questions about their resources, though. Everyone goes by something, don't they?] (]) 13:31, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I have a few preliminary remarks regarding ]... first off, it is internally inconsistent. Why, for example, does it prefer "Rehovot" over ], but not "Yerushalayim" over ]? Second, why, other than the fact that Ashkenazim don't know how to distinguish them, does it deprecate ], th and q for `ayin, thav and qof? unless...Third, this guideline really is only a guideline for ''article naming'', rather than for spellings within articles...? ]] 00:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

== C-Class? ==

Has this project decided to use the new C-Class rating or not? If yes, I could adjust the project banner to accomodate it. Also, I am curious as to whether the members of this project might be interested in kind of reviving the various dormant Judaism projects by perhaps adding parameters to the existing WikiProject Judaism template similar to those in use in the ]. Doing so would allow editors whose primary interest is a certain field of Judaism to perhaps concentrate their attention on that field a bit easier. Anyway, let me know your decisions. Thank you. ] (]) 19:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

== Moses Citations Needed ==

Hey folks-
Moses's GA review is on hold pending the addition of some citations. I'm going through and trying to find as many as I can, but there are a few that are eluding me. If anyone knows of reliable sources for the following statements, PLEASE add them ASAP. Thanks!
*According to Genesis 46:11, Amram's father Kohath immigrated to Egypt with 70 of Jacob's household, making Moses part of the second generation of Israelites born during their time in Egypt.
*Many scholars today view the ] as members of a social underclass of people present throughout the Ancient Near East at this time, rather than a tribal group confined to Egypt.
Thanks! ]<font color="#838B8B">]</font>]</font></font> 05:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

: Can't "According to Genesis" use Genesis as a reference? <font face="Verdana">]&nbsp;(])</font> 05:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::I agree but I think the concern was that the Bible is considered a primary source and the request from the reviewer was for secondary sources? I'm not sure, but I'll add that ref for now until we can get a better one. ]<font color="#838B8B">]</font>]</font></font> 05:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::: My apologies but I'm not exactly familiar with the book of Genesis; however, if the statement you're referencing says that Genesis states this, and then you use Genesis as a reference, then you're essentially saying "Genesis says this; take a look at Genesis then you will see it says this." And I don't see a problem with that? <font face="Verdana">]&nbsp;(])</font> 05:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::::As I said, I agree with you. '''I have added the citation.''' I'm merely noting that the reviewer has stated that he is looking for secondary sources. Part of the problem is a communication difficulty between me and the reviewer, who is not a native English speaker. Anyway... ]<font color="#838B8B">]</font>]</font></font> 05:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

::::: Okay; I'm just not clear on whether you have communicated this to the reviewer or not... I will take a looksee now. <font face="Verdana">]&nbsp;(])</font> 05:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


:]. As referenced in the Habiru article, this seems to be covered fairly well in Carol A. Redmount, 'Bitter Lives: Israel in and out of Egypt' in The Oxford History of the Biblical World, ed: Michael D. Coogan, (Oxford University Press: 1999), p.72 ()

:Note that, contrary to the implication in the Moses article, the Amarna letters describe the Habiru as random mercenaries, rather than organised invaders; nor do the letters identify them as emanating from Egypt. ] (]) 19:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Because this issue comes up often and can be a source of contention, I am proposing adding a paragraph to the existing ] with a more careful and clearer explanation of language to use and how to present the subject to implement ] in articles involving disputes between religious views and historians/scientists etc. Doubtless the proposal can be improved. Best, --] (]) 22:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

== Reference desk questions help ==

I asked some fairly basic ] questions on the ] on July 20, and most of the questions are still unanswered. Could someone please help? I would really appreciate it! :) —] (]) 08:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== Biblical archeology ==

Eyeballs needed for the work of {{User|Écrasez l'infâme}}, who has put pretty much the same content on a number of Bible-related articles, such as ], ], ], ] and ]. While sources are provided, and the perspective is valid, I have significant problems with the tone of these contributions and was wondering what the feeling of other contributors was. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 16:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:This editor seems to have gotten hold of the TRUTH™ and is bludgeoning a number of articles with it. Contributions along these lines must be clearly labeled as ''one'' significant point of view in about a sentence or so. --] (]) 18:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
::(ec) Looks to me that the content seeks to characterize an entire, broad field from a few sources. While the sources are useful, it's not clear that they reflect a consensus within the discipline(s), so they should be contextualized by Misplaced Pages if possible. I agree with you about the tone, but at first glance it seems the editor is being responsive. Is that right? ] | ] 18:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
:::The editor's primary source, Israel Finkenstein, is a proponent of the ] school of Biblical archaeology. While minimalism isn't a fringe theory, it hasn't gained wide acceptance. The editor is making the minimalist theory sound much more authoritative than it is. Broad statements about what "extensive archaeological research" has found are inappropriate in any case, since there is no unanimity in the field of Biblical archaeology. — ]&nbsp;(]&nbsp;'''·''' ]) 19:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
::::::Technically, Finkelstein ''isn't'' a minimalist - he's not with P.R. Davies and the Copenhagen school, who are skeptical that anything in the Bible pre-dates the post-exilic neo-Babylonian period. Rather, he's pretty much middle-of-the-road for a secular academic archaeologist not driven by faith or patriotism - compare ] for example; though Finkelstein has perhaps been a bit more outspoken than most about the lack of economic development of Judah at the time of the supposed United Monarchy, and lack of evidence on the ground to support Biblical accounts of David and Solomon. ] (]) 23:05, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

::::I put the following on the :

::::<blockquote>The material you added is not factual. It's argumentation. Argumentation based on reliable sources, true, but still argumentation. It's sufficient to say that this or that source has concluded that no material evidence has been found (not "does not exist", since you can't prove a negative) to substantiate many parts of the biblical historical narrative. Going point by point the way you're doing is unnecessary. -] (]) 19:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)</blockquote>

I am getting quite a constructive response from this editor, so perhaps we can work something out. Be prepared to take issue with contentious statements though—it is years since I last looked at Biblical archaeology. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 20:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

== ] needs your help ==

Anybody care to improve ]? Article is currently very stubby indeed. -- ] (]) 18:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


== ] ==
:So are numerous other Misplaced Pages articles. Have you got a good source on the subject? ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 20:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


Would members like to create a page about the ] N.E. Region. Current page is only regarding Florida branch. ] 17:34 17 December 2020 (UTC)
:::I certainly don't, which is exactly why I asked if anyone else had anything. Also, "]" is generally considered a very bad argument. -- ] (]) 01:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I hope you're not implying that an AfD would be in order. ], don't delete ]. It's Jewish ] and cuisine at its <s>most</s> edible. ] | ] 03:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Reliable apikoros source . <joke> And quasi-reliable nativist journalisticial . ] | ] 03:32, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


== ] has an ]==
::::Anon, rather than lecturing me on ''arguments to avoid'' (which applies primarily to deletion discussions) I wanted to know if you had a source but you were unsure on how to work it into the article. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 06:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''' has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you.
::Are we allowing personal testimony on this one? ] | ] 22:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC) <wink>


== ] has an ]==
:::No. Nooooo. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 22:53, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">]</div>''']''', which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the ''']'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you.
::::This just in: "it tastes horrible" added to list of good deletion arguments... :D ]<font color="#838B8B">]</font>]</font></font> 03:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::After one week of intensive collaboration by our WikiProject on ], it's somewhat disappointing to see that I am the only editor to have added to the article. Aside from awarding me a special barnstar, what else can be done to improve ] besides adding lots of ]? ] | ] 11:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


== Morris Soller ==
:::::: ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 14:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


Hello WPJ. I have created Morris Soller and have ''probable'' but not ''sufficient'' information. Because I have not done this before WPJ's input is welcome at ]. Thank you in advance. ] (]) 13 February 2022 (UTC)
== Template:Halakha vs Template:Jewish life vs Template:Judaism ==


== Are these duplicate topics? ==
Recently, User {{User|Xyz7890}} created ]. I have left the following message on his user page and asked that a discussion about this be started here for more input: "You recently created ] but it is probelematic because ultimately all the ] fit into Halachah one way or another, and the new template you created would duplicate much of ] and ]. Before commencing a vote to merge ] into ] I would like to get your views on the matter and see if we get can some input from other Judaic editors." What do others think? Thanks. ] (]) 06:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
*You may also want to see {{tl|Infobox Halacha}} (see the discussions there at ]) when creating Halacha-geared articles. ] (]) 07:13, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
*See ] for many other Judaic and Torah-connected templates, especially: {{tl|Jewish and Israeli holidays}} ; {{tl|Jewish life}} that should NOT be duplicated. Thanks. ] (]) 07:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


There is an older article ] and newly-created ]. Are these duplicates about the same topic? ] (]) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:I agree that {{tl|Halakha}} is going to be monstrous if populated with all articles about halachic subjects. I haven't seen {{tl|Infobox Halacha}} used a lot but it has some potential. {{tl|Jewish life}} actually has the same problems as {{tl|Halakha}} and should probably be renamed "Life events in Judaism" with removal of items pertaining to the holidays and general observances.
:The general gist is that we need to integrate Judaism content, and I admire Xyz7890's attempts at doing this. I have now twice suggested that we start a regular collaboration, similar to other collaborations as listed in {{tl|COTWs}}; I have the pleasure of running the forthnightly ], which has recently thrown off some excellent work including a bunch of ]. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 08:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
::Hi JFW: I think it would be beneficiel if you and User {{User|Xyz7890}} had a meeting of the minds since right now he is the one that is "hot on the trail" of his new {{tl|Halakha}} project. ] (]) 10:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I commented on the ]. Gist: I like the idea of a template if it can be matched up with our effort to set up the ] better. I assume discussion should continue there. Thanks. ] | ] 10:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


== Articles for types of Jews as well as for their histories ==
I am posting the following here from ]


Please see the discussion at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 20:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
(copied from my talk page)
Hi again, Xyz7890: See ] for many other Judaic and Torah-connected templates, especially: {{tl|Jewish and Israeli holidays}} ; {{tl|Jewish life}} . Thanks. ] (]) 07:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


== Help needed at ] and ] ==
Actually, I have found that these templates are confusing, and really need to be split. Judaism is not a single category, but is a lot of smaller ones.


I was working on copyediting ], and the ] section needed extensive CE. I did my best there, but it also needs a lot more citations and verification of existing citations. That section seems to be lifted straight out of ], which also needs better citations and verification. I've added ] to ], and would appreciate someone knowledgeable to look over the content before I return to copyedit it further. ] (]) 01:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I have already created a few Judaism templates, including {{tl|Shabbat}}, {{tl|High Holidays}}, and {{tl|Jewish prayers}}. I have been planning one on Sukkot for the future.


== Cleanup of WikiProject Judaism's style advice essay ==
Having one for all the holidays is overwheling. Each major holiday has several categories within, as you can see with these and {{tl|Passover Footer}}. Some of the other ones, like {{tl|Jews and Judaism}} and {{tl|Jewish life}} are too broad, and those are the ones I am concerned about that eventually should be broken down.


{{FYI|pointer=y}}
The {{tl|Halakha}} one is not complete yet; gradually I am finding more articles and categories for it, though I am omitting it from pages found on the templates of Shabbat and the various holidays. It is more geared to halakha pertaining areas not covered in other templates. ] (]) 20:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
The page presently at ] has been ] to ] to be consistent with other ] on style, since it is not part of the ] guidelines.
*Hi Xyz7890: Thanks for responding at length. You are missing the point of the general templates. Obvioulsy each topic and aspect of the Mitzvos can be extended in a million directions, because the Torah and its contents are after all infinite. But by ''reducing the templates to the level of the articles'' you miss the point that broader templates provide a broader context. In addition, you are creating templates when there are already CATEGORIES and even LISTS for many of the subjects you mention, and it makes no sense that there should be templates that function as "in-your face" templates crowding each page. You must study how articles are to be written and structured and eventually split up if too large, the purposes and use of lists and categories, and the nature and need of templates, none of which should duplicate each other. Hope this helps. Do not be too rash, but seek consensus. Thanks, ] (]) 08:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


For the same reason, "MOS" shortcuts to it are nominated for replacement, at ].
== Moshe David Tendler ==


PS: The wording in it needs considerable work, as it strays off-topic, has a bit of an us-vs.-them and occasionally even ranty tone, ironically has not been in compliance with a dozen or so parts of the actual MoS, and has other issues. I resolved a bit of this in one section, but really this hasn't been very substantively overhauled in over a decade, and almost all of it is the output of a handful of 2006–2007 editors. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 08:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
I'd never heard of ] till I encountered a related request ]. ('s my response.) The person making the request may have a valid point, but he's not (yet) its best advocate: there's all sorts of unencyclopedic and BLP-problematic allegations on the article's talk page. I know nothing of this subject matter, so invite one or two people here to take a look. -- ] (]) 10:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks. What parts do you consider unencyclopedic or otherwise problematic? Please give the text or the diff on the article talk page. Thanks again. ] | ] 15:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::Remaining: ''When it comes flatulance , you leave the authors questionable claim and merely ask for a source''. And . NB this project page will not remain on my watchlist. -- ] (]) 00:27, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Ah, well it sounds like we don't need so much this Project but rather an admin intervention. Thanks. ] | ] 00:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Let me see what I can do. ]<font color="#838B8B">]</font>]</font></font> 02:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


== On moving ] into ] ==
== Haredi Judaism and Orthodox Judaism merger discussions ==


{{FYI|pointer=y}}
Please see: ] and add your views. Thank you, ] (]) 12:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Please see ]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 15:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)


== Request for review ==
== ] and ] v. ] ==
Please check the following edits. thanks! ] (]) 16:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


== Requested move at ] ==
Please join a discussion on the following on ]
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 03:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)


== Rabbinic references question ==
Earlier today, an editor renamed the ] article ] on grounds that the change is required by this naming conventions guideline. Some questions:


Question: I've been reviewing ], which currently uses many rabbinic primary sources. Given Misplaced Pages concerns with primary sources, is there any specific guidance for using halakhic texts on halakhic topics? Also, is there Misplaced Pages guidance on how to cite rabbinic sources? For instance, do we need publisher name and standard pages to specific versions? Or does it suffice to say, for instance, Shulchan Aruch OC 425:2 and similar? ] (]) 16:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
*Is this really a guideline? Did it ever get consensus in the relevant part of a community, or was it labeled a guideline on agreement of a small number of users? I'm not going to change the status without discussion but I'd like to know what the community thinks.
*Should it be clarified that it doesn't apply to this type of case? The general ] guideline says to use the term most commonly used in English based on general rather than specialized use. A guideline that imposes a specific standardized transliteration scheme based on specialist opinion resulting in commonly-used words being spelled in unused and possibly unrecognizable ways would seem to go against the spirit of the guideline. The main guideline reflects a philosophy that because article names are the way users look up subjects, they need to reflect the search terms (and spellings) actual users are most likely to employ in their searches. Given this situation, I personally don't think an approach that bases article names on any standardized spelling method not reflecting actual English use is consistent with the overall guideline. Such an approach may be permissable for words that have almost never been spelled in English, but I don't think Misplaced Pages's overall ] guideline makes it a permissable option for words that have tens of thousands of ghits, regularly appear in English-language newspaper articles, and show other evidence of common use in English. Best, --] (]) 02:31, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


:Many rabbinic sources are not primary sources. For example, is a secondary source for the purpose "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh?". However, it is (like any book from 1563) very outdated, and more recent works should be preferred. For "what was the normal practice in 1563" it is a primary source. But cites don't need to be religiously secular. The most reliable source for "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh" is probably just a more recent rabbi.
::Mechitza outgoogles Mehitza by a factor 8 at least. That should be allowed to override our own internal guidelines. It says at the top that it's a DRAFT. Furthermore, I'm not sure if that guideline ever went through a full consensus-seeking process (I would have grumbled at the use of "h" for "ח", which I regard as phonenically incorrect and lazy). ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 05:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
:In terms of citation style I wonder this also. I think the ideal is to link to Sefaria when available. There are "standard editions" for some works (usually Israeli offsets of prewar Ashkenazic printings) but no convenient list and not remotely all. Many works have never been printed by themselves, only on the margins, or at the back, of other books, which makes them even harder to cite. When available it can be tempting to cite a fancy critical edition but they're so much harder to access and never translated, so I try to refrain unless it really matters. Anyway if Sefaria is an option I always choose it. Sefaria is aligned with our mission, very easy to use, mostly linkable by the paragraph, and constantly improving the texts in their library. ] (]) 23:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


== First year with Kislev extending into January? ==
== ] ==


(flipped a coin between asking here and in RD/Misc) After trying to describe when Hanukkah is to a non-Jew, the question came up of given the *gradual* drift of the Hebrew calendar relative to the sun, in which year will the last day of Kislev first occur in January? ] (]) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
I have proposed this template for deletion in accordance with Misplaced Pages's ]. Please see the discussion at ]. Best, --] (]) 14:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


== Feedback and advice wanted on ] ==
:"There is no archeological evidence, therefore the Bible must be false". Automatically fails the fallacy of ]. ]&nbsp;|&nbsp;] 14:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


I'm rewriting the template and would like some feedback on my ideas, and advice on undocumented features. I seem to recall this WikiProject was looped in the last time major work was done on it. Come to ]! ]<sup>]</sup> 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::There is a similar template, ], also nominated for deletion by Shirahadasha. At least the template page says it is. I couldn't find the relevant discussion at the TFD page. --] (]) 05:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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Aleph Institute

Would members like to create a page about the Aleph Institute N.E. Region. Current page is only regarding Florida branch. Helpfulguy101 17:34 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC

Talk:Ilhan_Omar#RFC has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

Shem HaMephorash has an RFC

Shem HaMephorash, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you.

Morris Soller

Hello WPJ. I have created Morris Soller and have probable but not sufficient information. Because I have not done this before WPJ's input is welcome at Talk:Morris Soller. Thank you in advance. Invasive Spices (talk) 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Are these duplicate topics?

There is an older article Emigration of Jews from Nazi Germany and German-occupied Europe and newly-created Jewish refugees from Nazism. Are these duplicates about the same topic? MKFI (talk) 19:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles for types of Jews as well as for their histories

Please see the discussion at Talk:Georgian Jews#Requested move 12 November 2024. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Help needed at Haymanot and Beta Israel

I was working on copyediting Beta Israel, and the Beta Israel#Religion section needed extensive CE. I did my best there, but it also needs a lot more citations and verification of existing citations. That section seems to be lifted straight out of Haymanot, which also needs better citations and verification. I've added Template:GOCEreviewed to Haymanot, and would appreciate someone knowledgeable to look over the content before I return to copyedit it further. Clementhyme (talk) 01:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Cleanup of WikiProject Judaism's style advice essay

FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

The page presently at WP:WikiProject Judaism/Manual of Style has been nominated for renaming to WP:WikiProject Judaism/Style advice to be consistent with other wikiproject advice essays on style, since it is not part of the WP:MOS guidelines.

For the same reason, "MOS" shortcuts to it are nominated for replacement, at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#MOS:JEW.

PS: The wording in it needs considerable work, as it strays off-topic, has a bit of an us-vs.-them and occasionally even ranty tone, ironically has not been in compliance with a dozen or so parts of the actual MoS, and has other issues. I resolved a bit of this in one section, but really this hasn't been very substantively overhauled in over a decade, and almost all of it is the output of a handful of 2006–2007 editors.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

On moving WP:JESUSCHRIST into MOS:BIO#Honorifics

FYI – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Proposal to import a line-item from WP:JUDAISMSTYLE into MOS:BIO.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Request for review

Please check the following edits. thanks! 132.71.108.188 (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Yoel Kahn#Requested move 30 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Yoel Kahn#Requested move 30 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 03:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Rabbinic references question

Question: I've been reviewing Kiddush levana, which currently uses many rabbinic primary sources. Given Misplaced Pages concerns with primary sources, is there any specific guidance for using halakhic texts on halakhic topics? Also, is there Misplaced Pages guidance on how to cite rabbinic sources? For instance, do we need publisher name and standard pages to specific versions? Or does it suffice to say, for instance, Shulchan Aruch OC 425:2 and similar? ProfGray (talk) 16:34, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Many rabbinic sources are not primary sources. For example, Shulchan Arukh OC 425:2 is a secondary source for the purpose "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh?". However, it is (like any book from 1563) very outdated, and more recent works should be preferred. For "what was the normal practice in 1563" it is a primary source. But cites don't need to be religiously secular. The most reliable source for "what haftara is read on Erev Rosh Chodesh" is probably just a more recent rabbi.
In terms of citation style I wonder this also. I think the ideal is to link to Sefaria when available. There are "standard editions" for some works (usually Israeli offsets of prewar Ashkenazic printings) but no convenient list and not remotely all. Many works have never been printed by themselves, only on the margins, or at the back, of other books, which makes them even harder to cite. When available it can be tempting to cite a fancy critical edition but they're so much harder to access and never translated, so I try to refrain unless it really matters. Anyway if Sefaria is an option I always choose it. Sefaria is aligned with our mission, very easy to use, mostly linkable by the paragraph, and constantly improving the texts in their library. GordonGlottal (talk) 23:35, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

First year with Kislev extending into January?

(flipped a coin between asking here and in RD/Misc) After trying to describe when Hanukkah is to a non-Jew, the question came up of given the *gradual* drift of the Hebrew calendar relative to the sun, in which year will the last day of Kislev first occur in January? Naraht (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback and advice wanted on Template:Bibleverse

I'm rewriting the template and would like some feedback on my ideas, and advice on undocumented features. I seem to recall this WikiProject was looped in the last time major work was done on it. Come to the talk page! EnronEvolved 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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