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Concerning your contribution on the talk page of ], I'm afraid you are mainly displaying your ignorance about the subjects of the articles you edit, and your lack of understanding of English. At least here on Misplaced Pages, by "]" we do not mean Turks in general, but specifically people who speak the ] (and not any ]), mainly the present citizens of the ], and people in Turkish-speaking pockets left outside Turkey in former territories of the ] (as well as descendants of such people who self-identify as Turks). The ]s, ]s, and other Turkic group, do not fall under that definition. In your edits you are equating Turkish and Turkic; you must stop doing that. | |||
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Several historic Turkic societies were '']'', which does '''not''' mean they were ]. Before changing all such well established things, perhaps you should read up on some historic sources, which are also widely available in Turkish. | |||
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}}{{#if:|, and ''''']'''''}}, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the ]. | |||
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You use the '']'' label too easily. Do you consider the term '']'' a humiliating racist term too? These terms refer to a process of ], and the concept of race does not enter the picture ''at all''. Please read the articles I linked to, and take the time to study some of the sources that are mentioned there, and hopefully you will see that this is true. | |||
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Using ] is better and has more flexibility as it's suited to names, it also allows for future input easier, such as pronunciation. "People" would be a better title over "Real people". Nonetheless, thanks for adding meanings to some of my name articles. ] ] 02:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
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::Thank you for suggestion. i didn't know that template. from now on, i am going to use it (the one you suggested). i am planning to replace existing ones, as well. it looks really neat. i thank you for your contributions to Turkish given names content on Misplaced Pages. When there are others contributing, it's easier and more meaningful... About the "People" issue, how about the fictional characters? Don't we separate real people and fictional characters?--] (]) 02:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Yes we do, but it's accepted on Misplaced Pages that a title of "Given name" or "People" only lists real living people (check many name pages). A title of "Fictional characters" for fictional characters is enough to distinguish between the two, often there are no fictional characters for many names. Feel free to add meanings to the many names in the ''Turkish-language surnames'' category I have added. ] and ] are good examples of name pages I have spent some time on. ] ] 03:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::ok then. People instdad of Real People. i will try to contribute to surnames. there are some more turkish names, i couldn't add yet. after finishing the work, i will participate in the work on surname.--] (]) 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
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:Thanks for your warning.... I'm not trying to call people with their given names. But I'm changing one of the "He", She", "Surname" or "Given_name" with "Given_name Surname" and linking to the article on given name. I think i misslinked some of them by forgetting to change the "display text". I will be more attentive on this. Again, thanks for you feedback. In the other hand, i saw biography articles in which given names are linked to "Given_name (given name)" articles. So, this is what i learned. If the rules say that articles on given names shouldn't be linked from biography articles then i don't do it. But i don't think such a rule exists. Linking one of the the "George" words in all biography articles of people named "George" to "George (given name)" article is I think something we should accomplish. Interlinking articles is a good thing, isn't it?--] (]) 18:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
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:::Ok, I understand your point. But, in this case, the articles on given names will be orphaned?--] (]) 19:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::: Oh, that's easy, they are all linked from ] and usually they are interlinked between themselves. --] (]) 19:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::Ok, from now on, i will not link "Geroge"s to "George (given name)"s --] (]) 19:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
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This request is unfair. Becasue I was not the one who was offending. I am persecuted becasue of I am a Turk. Persian editors are editing articles related Turkish History such as Great Seljuq Empire and Ghaznavid Empire and removing "Turkish" and writing "Persianated" and refering it to Persian nationalist sources. Here are my sources from many authors and many publishers which strongly and undoubtedly defines Ghaznavid Empire as a "Turkish" Empire: | |||
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* Malamud, M (1994). Sufi Organizations and Structures of Authority in Medieval Nishapur. International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 26, No. 3 (Aug., 1994). (pp. 427-442.). | |||
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* Roux, J. P. (1984). Histoire des Turcs: Deux mille ans du Pacifique a la Mediterranee. Fayard. | |||
* Roux, J. P. (2000). Histoire des Turcs. Fayard. | |||
* Ghaznavid Dynasty. (2008). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved January 7, 2008, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9036676. | |||
* Gupta, A. (2007). Going to School in South Asia.Greenwood Press. (pp. 20, 21.) | |||
* Schofield, V. (2003). Afghan frontier feuding and fighting in Central Asia. Palgrave Macmillan: London. (p. 25). | |||
* Malamud, Margaret (1994). The politics of heresy in medieval Khurasan: the Karramiyya in Nishapur. Iranian Studies, 27 (1), 37-51. Retrieved January 07, 2008, from http://www.informaworld.com/10.1080/00210869408701819. | |||
* Saran, Parmatma, Resistance of Indian Princes to Turkish Offensive, Sita Ram Kohli Memorial Lectures, Punjabi University (Patiala, 1967). | |||
* Bosworth, C.E., The Ghaznavids: Their Empire in Afghanistan and Eastern Iran, 994-1040, Edinburgh University Press, 1963. | |||
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I may put hundreds of more becasue every scientific article will define Ghaznavid Empire because it actually is. But that Persian author writes "Khorāṣānian" which has no significant historical meaning. Look at which characters he/she uses. | |||
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Another article is Great Seljuq Empire. Those editors -mostly with an anonymous IP- remove "Turkish" and write Persian, Persianated, slave, Central Asian , etc. They do everything to just remove the word "Turkish". But Great Seljuq Empire is a Turkish Empire. It is ridiculous to associate them with any other identity. Their so called "sources" are all Persian nationalist works. Here are my references -non of them are Turkish, all international-: | |||
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* Jackson, P. (2002). Review: The History of the Seljuq Turks: The History of the Seljuq Turks.Journal of Islamic Studies 2002 13(1):75-76; doi:10.1093/jis/13.1.75.Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies. | |||
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* Bosworth, C. E. (2001). Notes on Some Turkish Names in Abu 'l-Fadl Bayhaqi's Tarikh-i Mas'udi. Oriens, Vol. 36, 2001 (2001), pp. 299-313. | |||
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* Dani, A. H., Masson, V. M. (Eds), Asimova, M. S. (Eds), Litvinsky, B. A. (Eds), Boaworth, C. E. (Eds). (1999). History of Civilizations of Central Asia. Motilal Banarsidass Publishers (Pvt. Ltd). | |||
* Hancock, I. (2006). ON ROMANI ORIGINS AND IDENTITY. The Romani Archives and Documentation Center. The University of Texas at Austin. | |||
* Asimov, M. S., Bosworth, C. E. (eds.). (1998). History of Civilizations of Central Asia, Vol. IV: The Age of Achievement: AD 750 to the End of the Fifteenth Century, Part One: The Historical, Social and Economic Setting. Multiple History Series. Paris: UNESCO Publishing. | |||
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Using Template:Infobox given name2 is better and has more flexibility as it's suited to names, it also allows for future input easier, such as pronunciation. "People" would be a better title over "Real people". Nonetheless, thanks for adding meanings to some of my name articles. John Cengiz talk 02:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for suggestion. i didn't know that template. from now on, i am going to use it (the one you suggested). i am planning to replace existing ones, as well. it looks really neat. i thank you for your contributions to Turkish given names content on Misplaced Pages. When there are others contributing, it's easier and more meaningful... About the "People" issue, how about the fictional characters? Don't we separate real people and fictional characters?--Polysynaptic (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes we do, but it's accepted on Misplaced Pages that a title of "Given name" or "People" only lists real living people (check many name pages). A title of "Fictional characters" for fictional characters is enough to distinguish between the two, often there are no fictional characters for many names. Feel free to add meanings to the many names in the Turkish-language surnames category I have added. Mustafa and Ahmad are good examples of name pages I have spent some time on. John Cengiz talk 03:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- ok then. People instdad of Real People. i will try to contribute to surnames. there are some more turkish names, i couldn't add yet. after finishing the work, i will participate in the work on surname.--Polysynaptic (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes we do, but it's accepted on Misplaced Pages that a title of "Given name" or "People" only lists real living people (check many name pages). A title of "Fictional characters" for fictional characters is enough to distinguish between the two, often there are no fictional characters for many names. Feel free to add meanings to the many names in the Turkish-language surnames category I have added. Mustafa and Ahmad are good examples of name pages I have spent some time on. John Cengiz talk 03:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for suggestion. i didn't know that template. from now on, i am going to use it (the one you suggested). i am planning to replace existing ones, as well. it looks really neat. i thank you for your contributions to Turkish given names content on Misplaced Pages. When there are others contributing, it's easier and more meaningful... About the "People" issue, how about the fictional characters? Don't we separate real people and fictional characters?--Polysynaptic (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Names
I saw you are doing some changes with names. First, according to WP:SURNAME a person is to be called by his surname. I saw at least one article in which you replaced a surname by a given name. Second, to the best of my knowledge, neither a surname or a given name should be linked, unless there is a very good reason. Imagine if all people called "George" were linked to George (given name). I am not aware of any exceptions to this, but if the names you are linking/changing are a special exception I am not aware of, please let me know. For now I will start reverting some of the names you linked. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 18:14, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your warning.... I'm not trying to call people with their given names. But I'm changing one of the "He", She", "Surname" or "Given_name" with "Given_name Surname" and linking to the article on given name. I think i misslinked some of them by forgetting to change the "display text". I will be more attentive on this. Again, thanks for you feedback. In the other hand, i saw biography articles in which given names are linked to "Given_name (given name)" articles. So, this is what i learned. If the rules say that articles on given names shouldn't be linked from biography articles then i don't do it. But i don't think such a rule exists. Linking one of the the "George" words in all biography articles of people named "George" to "George (given name)" article is I think something we should accomplish. Interlinking articles is a good thing, isn't it?--Polysynaptic (talk) 18:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- While I can't find a clear rule against linking to given names, practice, which represents consensus, is definitely against it. Links to given names are rarely made, and even if they are made, it is only in biographies, where it helps to explain the subject, and no where else. I think the reason is that by policy links should never be made just for "interlinking". All reasons in WP:OVERLINK are reasons which would promote interlinking - yet policy is against them. A link should be made only if it helps readers understand the subject more fully. A link to a given name in an article about beauty queens is tangential to the subject of beauty queens, and does not help to understand it. If you think the practice that given names are not linked should change, maybe you should start a discussion at WT:LINK. --Muhandes (talk) 19:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I understand your point. But, in this case, the articles on given names will be orphaned?--Polysynaptic (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, that's easy, they are all linked from Turkish names and usually they are interlinked between themselves. --Muhandes (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, from now on, i will not link "Geroge"s to "George (given name)"s --Polysynaptic (talk) 19:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, that's easy, they are all linked from Turkish names and usually they are interlinked between themselves. --Muhandes (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, I understand your point. But, in this case, the articles on given names will be orphaned?--Polysynaptic (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
- While I can't find a clear rule against linking to given names, practice, which represents consensus, is definitely against it. Links to given names are rarely made, and even if they are made, it is only in biographies, where it helps to explain the subject, and no where else. I think the reason is that by policy links should never be made just for "interlinking". All reasons in WP:OVERLINK are reasons which would promote interlinking - yet policy is against them. A link should be made only if it helps readers understand the subject more fully. A link to a given name in an article about beauty queens is tangential to the subject of beauty queens, and does not help to understand it. If you think the practice that given names are not linked should change, maybe you should start a discussion at WT:LINK. --Muhandes (talk) 19:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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