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== template usage ==


== Fixing old format timestamps in others' signatures ==
It states on the page that using a template for a signature is forbidden, with the main reason given as that it is subject to vandalism. If I have my signature template protected, so that no vandalism can occur on it, will it be permitted then? --]]] 10:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


At least signatures from 2002–2005 used some old timestamp formats like:
:Read the section carefully. There are more reasons given than the one you have chosen to supply, above. ]&nbsp;] 10:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


*User:Example 22:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::The second point doesn't apply, since archiving will still archive my sig. --]]] 10:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
*User:Example 17:06, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)


(these examples are from ]).
::: Try the point where the system administrators ]. ]] 01:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)


These timestamps use the MDY format and/or shortened months.
:::: I think that it makes sense that the signature text field has a fixed character limit. It's there for a reason :) <font face="Verdana">]&nbsp;(])</font> 07:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


Such signatures prevent the Reply button from showing up. Additionally, the "Latest comment: 19 years ago - 1 comment - 1 person in discussion" information section below the section header won't include these comments. You also can't subscribe to a section if it lacks that information section under the header.
== Purpose? ==


So, if I see these old signatures, am I allowed to fix them by rearranging them to the DMY format and writing out the month? Or is there a planned fix for these in MediaWiki? Perhaps a bot run could be arranged to fix these? It should be an easy task, but would require tens of thousands of edits: , . ] (]) 19:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't see the point. When I was too ignorant to sign my post, the following text was appended: "—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jqavins (talk • contribs) 01:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)".
:I don't know about planned MediaWiki fixes, nor about bot tasks, but I do know that ] permits {{tq|you may edit the signature to the standard form with correct information}}. --] &#x1f339; (]) 21:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
:There's a bug report about this situation at ], but as far as I know there are no plans to handle it in the software. ] <small>]</small> 21:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)


== 5 tildes style ==
When I edited my post, adding <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end, this was changed to "Joe Avins (talk) 23:23, 16 July 2008 (UTC)". So, it has my name instead of my username. If the statement that the comment was unsigned had not been present, there would be no difference of note at all! My username is as good as my name; who cares?


Should the 5 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>) be gray, to reflect the style on comment pages (e.g. see the end of this comment)? ] (]) 23:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, so it's considered good etiquette to sign each post. So I'll sign each post. But really, what's the point?
:No. The style for the timestamp in a signature indicates that it is a link to where the signature was used. There was a mention of this at ] a couple of months ago. ] (]) 01:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 23:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
:{{replyto|Tule-hog}} No. It's not grey where it is actually used - in the editing box. --] &#x1f339; (]) 07:44, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:nuh uh ] (]) 09:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)


== Technical display bug ==
:The "unsigned signature" thing is not an automatic feature, that was someone else comming along and adding the {{tl|unsigned}} template at the end if your comment to help others figure out how said what. Granted there is at least one automated bot out there that is pretty good at catching and atributing unsigned comments on most talk pages, but it's not rely something you should be relying on, so just sign your own commetns. --] <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 22:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


Why on mobile it shows to use === when in edit == headers
Thanks bot for signing this :) <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


--] (]) 17:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
== Redirect ==
:{{replyto|Luhanopi}} Which part of ] does this relate to? --] &#x1f339; (]) 20:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
::Technical, to that page itself.
::Headers on Mobile show as H3 but the source uses H2 and H2 should be used.
::-- ] (]) 06:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
:::The page markup includes: <syntaxhighlight lang=wikitext>== How to sign your posts ==
=== Preferred option ===
==== Standard signature ====
=== Other options ===
==== Using three tildes ====
==== Using five tildes ====</syntaxhighlight> and on mobile this is what I am served: <syntaxhighlight lang=html><div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)">
<h2 id="How_to_sign_your_posts">How to sign your posts</h2>
</div>
<section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3">
<div class="mw-heading mw-heading3">
<h3 id="Preferred_option">Preferred option</h3>
</div>
<div class="mw-heading mw-heading4">
<h4 id="Standard_signature">Standard signature</h4>
</div>
<div class="mw-heading mw-heading3">
<h3 id="Other_options">Other options</h3>
</div>
<div class="mw-heading mw-heading4">
<h4 id="Using_three_tildes">Using three tildes</h4>
</div>
<div class="mw-heading mw-heading4">
<h4 id="Using_five_tildes">Using five tildes</h4>
</div>
</section></syntaxhighlight> These headings are correct. --] &#x1f339; (]) 12:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)


== Dark mode ==
I made ] redirect to the ] section, if that's okay. --] (]) 03:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


I've got a black element in my signature that didn't show up in dark mode. I think I've fixed the issue. If you've got the same problem with a black or dark element, feel free to touch base with me. ''']]''' 04:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
== Colour in signatures ==


== Three-tilde signatures don't get quick reply boxes ==
This page says "if you must use color...". What about the advantage of using colour - that your signature is easier to pick out among others, so it is easier to follow who said what? ] (]) 08:40, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


Use of a three-tilde signature breaks identification of the signature and placement of a (if you don't have that enabled check your ]) on the page. Given that is the case, can we change guidance to recommend ''against'' use of a three-tilde signature on talk pages? ] (]) 06:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah, I guess it differentiates. Makes it a more "personal" signature. Not necessary. Vast majority of editors just leave their signature as the default. ''']''' '']'' 22:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
: As you can see there is no quick reply button (and therefore no box) at this location. ] (])
::It's because the timestamp is linked, and the reply tool depends upon that link. No timestamp → no link → no reply. --] &#x1f339; (]) 13:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
::I know, that's why I asked whether we should change guidance to recommend against usage of three-tilde signatures on talk pages. ] (]) 17:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

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Fixing old format timestamps in others' signatures

At least signatures from 2002–2005 used some old timestamp formats like:

  • User:Example 22:50, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • User:Example 17:06, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

(these examples are from Talk:Chris_Claremont#List_of_X-Men_characters_created_by_Claremont).

These timestamps use the MDY format and/or shortened months.

Such signatures prevent the Reply button from showing up. Additionally, the "Latest comment: 19 years ago - 1 comment - 1 person in discussion" information section below the section header won't include these comments. You also can't subscribe to a section if it lacks that information section under the header.

So, if I see these old signatures, am I allowed to fix them by rearranging them to the DMY format and writing out the month? Or is there a planned fix for these in MediaWiki? Perhaps a bot run could be arranged to fix these? It should be an easy task, but would require tens of thousands of edits: , . 2001:14BA:9C40:0:B03E:AC7D:4B9F:7666 (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't know about planned MediaWiki fixes, nor about bot tasks, but I do know that WP:TPO#Signature cleanup permits you may edit the signature to the standard form with correct information. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
There's a bug report about this situation at T246047, but as far as I know there are no plans to handle it in the software. Matma Rex talk 21:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

5 tildes style

Should the 5 tildes (~~~~~) be gray, to reflect the style on comment pages (e.g. see the end of this comment)? Tule-hog (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

No. The style for the timestamp in a signature indicates that it is a link to where the signature was used. There was a mention of this at WP:VPT a couple of months ago. Johnuniq (talk) 01:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
@Tule-hog: No. It's not grey where it is actually used - in the editing box. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:44, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
nuh uh Mcflurry2212 (talk) 09:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Technical display bug

Why on mobile it shows to use === when in edit == headers

--Luhanopi (talk) 17:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Luhanopi: Which part of Misplaced Pages:Signatures does this relate to? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
Technical, to that page itself.
Headers on Mobile show as H3 but the source uses H2 and H2 should be used.
-- Luhanopi (talk) 06:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
The page markup includes:
== How to sign your posts ==
=== Preferred option ===
==== Standard signature ====
=== Other options ===
==== Using three tildes ====
==== Using five tildes ====
and on mobile this is what I am served:
<div class="mw-heading mw-heading2 ext-discussiontools-init-section section-heading" onclick="mfTempOpenSection(3)">
  <h2 id="How_to_sign_your_posts">How to sign your posts</h2>
</div>
<section class="mf-section-3 collapsible-block" id="mf-section-3">
  <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3">
    <h3 id="Preferred_option">Preferred option</h3>
  </div>
  <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4">
    <h4 id="Standard_signature">Standard signature</h4>
  </div>
  <div class="mw-heading mw-heading3">
    <h3 id="Other_options">Other options</h3>
  </div>
  <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4">
    <h4 id="Using_three_tildes">Using three tildes</h4>
  </div>
  <div class="mw-heading mw-heading4">
    <h4 id="Using_five_tildes">Using five tildes</h4>
  </div>
</section>
These headings are correct. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Dark mode

I've got a black element in my signature that didn't show up in dark mode. I think I've fixed the issue. If you've got the same problem with a black or dark element, feel free to touch base with me. Schwede66 04:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Three-tilde signatures don't get quick reply boxes

Use of a three-tilde signature breaks identification of the signature and placement of a quick reply box (if you don't have that enabled check your preferences) on the page. Given that is the case, can we change guidance to recommend against use of a three-tilde signature on talk pages? Ifly6 (talk) 06:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

As you can see there is no quick reply button (and therefore no box) at this location. Ifly6 (talk)
It's because the timestamp is linked, and the reply tool depends upon that link. No timestamp → no link → no reply. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
I know, that's why I asked whether we should change guidance to recommend against usage of three-tilde signatures on talk pages. Ifly6 (talk) 17:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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