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Conservation and Reintroduction programs of Australia

G'day Mcelite,

Almost every accredited zoo in Australia participates in “in situ” and “ex situ” conservation with big cats, the major zoo’s that do this are,

• Australia Zoo
• Taronga Zoo
• Taronga Western Plains Zoo
• Melbourne Zoo

Most sponsor overseas programs for habitat protection and re introduction programs that are run and organised by the host country, On that note Australia Zoo is leading the way with there Sumatran tiger program having donated millions of dollars to habitat protection and providing ranger vehicles and training.

Accreditation is by way of joining the Australasian Regional Association of Zoological Parks and Aquaria that website will provide you with all the information you require on our conservation programs.

Due to very strict biosecurity controls Australia is not permitted to re-introduce animals into the wild at this point in time (there are rare exceptions that can be found on the ARAZPA Website) from our own breeding programs (this changes depending on how ARAZPA and the Government feel at the time)

Most zoos in Australia are limited to the main big cat species like Lions, Bengal and Sumatran Tigers and Cheetahs. At present Australia Zoo is beginning a breeding program with some recently imported Sumatran Tigers that in the next 10 – 15 years will hopefully produce viable offspring that will be able to be re-introduced into the wild.

I only know of one person in Australia who has investigated the possibility of re-wildling some of our excess lion stock however that is mere theory at this time.

Your best bet is to speak to an ARAZPA staff member who could provide you with more specifics.

Regards ZooPro 13:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

My zoo recently did an experiment with our 4 Cheetahs, we asked the local police to help us clock the speed of our cheetahs running on a 500m track the top speed we achieved was 100km/h, I would go with a top Speed of 120kmph as Dr Luarie Marker (The Cheetah Stubbook Keeper)once told me in a very long and indepth e-mail that she has recorded them at 120km/h to 124km/h in ideal conditions. Ill have a good think and discuss it with some other professionals and will get back to you with my definitive answer.

In reference to your problems with genetic inbreeding thats a global problem, We are lucky in Australia to have a few zoos with plently of new animals coming into the country. Lions are a major genetic bottleneck though here, i know of a zoo that has 50 animals that are all related to each other (yet ironicaly not related to any other animal in the county).

The problem with releasing captive animals into the wild is a major one, like i was saying i only know one young man who was exploring the possability of it, however due to the small minds of some of out Zoo Directors he was forced to resign and no longer works in the industry.

Do you work in a Zoo or with Captive Big Cats?

Regards ZooPro 15:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Zoo

Please consider joining WP:ZOO i am in desperate need of members. Regards ZooPro 01:58, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Black Indians Photo

Things looks more complex than I thought. The image is in several archives but the Denver Public Library (Western History Collection, X-30541) has completely different information about the image than the Oklahoma Historical Society has. There doesn't seem to be a stable URL, but you can go here and enter "Chapman Cheyenne" and this photograph will be the second image to show up.

I can't distinguish 19th century Ute and Cheyenne beadwork and clothing by sight, but I can take this image to people more knowledgeable to find out which caption is more likely to be correct. -Uyvsdi (talk) 05:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Just heard back from my friend who belongs to Southern Plains tribes but grew up on a Great Basin reservation: "Just looked at the pic on my bb and those women have cheyenne mocs on. That is NOT ute beadwork. Also, I'm not positive, but I don't think utes ever wore drops from their belts w/studs like that. I'd say they were cheyennes. I'll show the pic to my mom w/the captions to double check." Very interesting! Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

WPA Slave Narratives

My friend just told me that the WPA slave narratives are online through Project Gutenberg. They're a fascinating read and many of the Freedmen are Native as well. Might be useful for your research. Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:17, 31 December 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

The link above is for Arkansas, here's Oklahoma. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:23, 31 December 2010 (UTC)Uyvsdi

WikiProject Zoo

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Thanks for your message, good to know that at least we are three active members. Dan Koehl (talk) 12:19, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Project Zoo

I write to you regarding Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Zoo/Members where you are presently listed under active members. The project is sadly rather inactive and in severe need of active members. Maybe you would kindly consider investing some efforts and time, as well as inspiring others? best regards, Dan Koehl (talk) 18:47, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Stop messing with Kim's page.. Frost412 (talk) 21:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I uploaded a picture, a good looking updated 2015 Picture of Kim but you won't ALLOW me to upload it as if you're an admin for Kim's page. Frost412 (talk) 22:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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New book

I would like to recommend a new book, "The Other Slavery" to you based upon your interest in the WP topic.WriterArtistDC (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you WriterArtistDC I will certainly look into it.Mcelite (talk) 00:50, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Cheetah cladogram

Hi Mcelite, I am planning an FAC for Cheetah in the next few months. Before that, I would like to ask you some things about the cladogram. I think the Lynx lineage is actually the branch leading directly to the four lynxes. And the second branch does not appear to simply bifurcate into Puma and Felis lineages. I looked up Werdelin 2009 and saw that it breaks into Puma and another lineage that in turn breaks into Felis and Otoolobus + Prionailurus (see Jungle cat, where I just updated the cladogram). And finally, I am worried this may look like WP:SYN as (I think) we have "combined" two cladograms to make the domestic cat appear in it. Just wished to sort out all of this before FAC. Thanks, Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:28, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

I just accessed Johnson 2006 (requires subscription). The 2009 source simply presents their findings, and Johnson 2006 also includes the domestic cat (not included in the 2009 source, the only one I had access to until now). I am going to add it in Jungle cat, and now I think we can use Johnson 2006 as the sole source for Cheetah's cladogram. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 08:48, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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Jaguar

Please to not add back the oversourcing of jaguar size comparisons. It would be more productive if you add in information what the two studies were discussing. Also the jaguar is the third largest cat in the world and largest cat in the Americas, that is all that's important. LittleJerry (talk) 17:29, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with that just don't remove the sources that specifically say that the cat is the third largest. Have a big enough headache with the editor that keeps trying to edit that the cougar is larger.Mcelite (talk) 18:40, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Seymour states that the jaguar is third largest. LittleJerry (talk) 18:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay, you can add back the source on jaguars in captivity. The other source would be more useful for a discussion its topic (changes in Jaguar diet from prehistory). LittleJerry (talk) 18:23, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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Discussion with Indigenous girl

Mcelite, you said,"Deb Haaland is half white her father is white therefore she applies to the category American people of Native American descent. From my understanding that category is meant for people who have Native American heritage regardless as to if the individual is enrolled or not. Therefore, Deb applies to the category. I don't see how her being enrolled makes her invalid for the category when she's not full blood." You clearly do not understand how citizenship works. Deb Haaland is enrolled Laguna Pueblo. She is not half enrolled because of her father's ethnicity. She has full status. This is completely different from an individual who claims to be Native American but has no idea what Nation they may or may not be descended from or an individual who claims a Nation but said Nation does not claim them.

Regarding Warren, her DNA test does not indicate indigeneity. It claims she has alleles that are the same as people from Mexico, Peru and a couple of countries that I don't recall. These alleles could be Iberian or they could be from a very distant ancestor from an indigenous community. It certainly doesn't prove she's Cherokee because she's not. The Cherokee did her genealogy and if they aren't claiming her she has no right to claim them. Indigenous girl (talk) 23:24, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Indgenous girl, Please read carefully I don't see Elizabeth Warren as Cherokee does she have Indigenous ancestry the DNA tests suggest she does from way back. I don't support her past statements of being a descendent of the Cherokee Nation period.

As for Deb Haaland I always saw the category American people of Native American descent as people whom are not full blood regardless as to if they are enrolled or not. It had nothing to do with citizenship to a nation. That seemed to always be the pattern with how we were determining how people were classed into the category by simply been Native by blood, but not being solely Native American but having another heritage in their bloodline as well. I do not see as taking away from her Pueblo identity at all.Mcelite (talk) 23:39, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually Warren's DNA does not definitively show she has indigenous ancestry. Carlos Bustamante used comparisons from Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. The matching alleles could be indigenous or they could be Iberian. He compared her results to white people in Utah and Great Brittan but not Spain or Portugal. He stated in the Globe that, “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor.” He did not say the results were absolute. He did not say that she matched alleles from indigenous Peoples from the United States. If she does indeed have ancestry she's 1/64th and 1/1,024th indigenous. To consider ones self even a descendant when we get into the hundreds or thousands removed it's kind of ridiculous.

Regarding enumeration and other forms of record keeping you mentioned this was extremely difficult for northeastern Tribes. That simply isn't true. Record keeping goes back to the point of contact (for some families). There are families that show up in the historical record prior to enumeration and when enumeration did occur family members living away were still included. The Earle Report is a clear example of this. Jim Crow, segregation and the RIA had no bearing. We can document intermarriages pretty far back and they have and do occur often. It was and is a non-issue. Cris Attucks is a great example of this. We know he was black and Wampanoag. We know he had family. Heck People even know where his great grandson is buried and it is not in any of the Wampanoag cemeteries, he's in a pretty obscure place. The Narragansetts in Rhode Island intermarried as did the Pequot and Mohegan in Connecticut. There are more Natives in New England that are mixed race Black than there are white. Mixed race Cherokee are very well documented. So are Lumbee and Seminole. While horrid laws had some impact it wasn't as wide spread as people seem to think. We can utilize records from the indian schools and military records. Both of these include parentage. There are court documents, church documents, so many things that are over looked or ignored. The world was much smaller the further back we go it was much more difficult to hide ones ancestry and assimilate and took generations to do so in order to pass. I'm not saying there are absolutely no folks who have family blood myths that are true. These folks are few and far between though. Indigenous girl (talk) 23:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes in Elizabeth's Warren's case being a biological science person I look at it as okay yeah someone down the line wasn't white, but it was way back and your family never brought in someone else that wasn't white. So in my opinion that's reaching a bit when all of your other ancestors were white.

Regarding enumeration I see the whole thing as a mess with some families I totally agree we can go back, and those are the lucky ones. Other minorities from what I know it's a mess because you have native listed as mulatto or black when they weren't. Also yeah in the south you had paper genocide of records being changed, but I think probably one of the issues people over look is that in some cases people used nicknames that are different than any birth record on censuses or even rolls. It certainly creates problems and I feel bad for families that have the bloodline but they've literally gone through so much over the generations that they don't even know what tribe/s they come from. They just know grandma was definitely native but she died young so everything she knew went with her including knowledge of family members that would connect them with the community. It's like knowing the truth and never getting the chance to explore it further.Mcelite (talk) 18:58, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I get that it can be complicated. In many instances when you have a family or individual listed as black or mulatto if you go back a few more generations you can find the answers. Sometimes those answers aren't what we want them to be. In other instances there are corroborating documents for example the 1861 Earle Report (and it's predecessor that I cannot recall, I'm tired). The Earle report lists many Massachusetts Native People as Black or Mulatto but they are still listed with their respective communities. The Earle Report also listed individuals living away from community (one man was all the way in California but somebody listed him). With regard to nicknames (and gross mispellings of names) you can find relatives to link you to another enumeration or source of documentation. In the south it was all out genocide, not just paper genocide. That being said there are still, in some circumstances (certainly not all or even close to all) where there are records. Court records, county records which are more intact than specific locales, even commerce records like records of credit at stores, mills and the like which are archived. It depends on how much time and effort a person can put into documenting family stories (and money, money is a huge stumbling block because many times these record cost.). It is heartbreakingly unfortunate that some people will never find their kin. That doesn't mean that it is okay to make unsubstantiated claims. If they simply state that they don't know because of extenuating circumstances is one thing but claiming kinship that doesn't exist, that's not fair. It's not fair to their ancestors, to claim a Nation that they may have no connection to and it's unfair to their descendants if they don't clarify that there *may be* or even likely is heritage but they just can't find the connection. Saying they don't know is better than claiming something inaccurate. It can and does send future generations on wild goose chases in one direction when the answer could be in another. I know somebody that makes elaborate claims of Cherokee ancestry due to family stories but I know for a fact that their family was Nipmuc from the former reservation in Dudley, Massachusetts. But they don't want to hear it because they were told something different. I hope I'm making sense, it's past my bedtime. Indigenous girl (talk) 00:57, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I feel bad for those that are not able to reconnect the dots b/c of societal pressures especially those that lived in the south where being native resulted in you being treated the same a black person. It wasn't okay to talk about being native in the south so a lot of people kept quiet making it extremely difficult for their descendants to know anything including the tribe/s they actually belong to. I do think about my family and how lucky we were my family returned to the rez just in time get documented, and then they left a month later to do better. They never returned but kept the family informed of who we were and where we came from we even had a few cousins that stayed, but they passed. We don't even know their real names just their nicknames and 2 old pictures showing they weren't just a story. I don't know how I would feel knowing the truth but not being able to be recognized b/c my family left and refused to be documented which happened in some cases. I think about the slaves that passed things on to their children, but were unable to teach them anything culturally just what tribe their parent came from they'll never get recognized federally. I often wonder if we would do anything to help those try to retrace things to see if we could take them in to the tribe they belong too (not talking about white people that claim a Cherokee princess).Mcelite (talk) 19:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Concerning the south there are records people don't normally think about when they are doing their genealogy that can be super helpful! The rolls also enumerated people who were living away. If they were going by nicknames you can usually figure out who they are by their family, who enumerated them and if they were alive during Dawes, their Dawes packet which is accessible on Fold3 (and probably other places, that's just who I use). I have a couple of ideas and something just occurred to me. I sent you an email earlier via wikipedia, I am going to email you again. Indigenous girl (talk) 20:15, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Just saw the email it went to my junk email. I will try to respond for real tomorrow.Mcelite (talk) 07:11, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

No rush :) Indigenous girl (talk) 00:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Indians

Thanks. It's still used by a number of tribes in their tribal name. I was once told that there was a regional split between those that that preferred Indian and those that preferred Native American. I can't recall which she identified as, sadly. Doug Weller talk 08:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

The use is regional and generational. Indigenous girl (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Text from ICT on Dawes Rolls

I know you're tired right now, but you need to rewrite the text so it's not so close. Earwig is flagging it as a 55% copyvio.

Because things have been rough I'm telling you first, so you can fix it yourself. The content is worth having, and the parts that are direct quotes are OK, but the parts that aren't in quotations have to be in your own words. This applies to all the pages you're putting the text on, and also per the copyright policy, when you put the same text on multiple pages, you have to indicate in the edit summary that you're importing it from another WP page. Right now I'm also too tired to rewrite it and anyway, I figured you'd rather do it yourself. I'm too tired to decide if I have to hide the 55% diff yet. Best. - CorbieV ☼ 00:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

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Note on Black Indians

Thanks for your note, Mcelite. it's interesting to reflect on all we get to learn while working on here, isn't it? I've had to change opinions and ideas, too. Keep reading!Parkwells (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Neither of the sources on the content you reverted mention a Fatima Jackson. What are you referring to? - CorbieV ☼ 22:39, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I swear it's there. See talk page pleaseMcelite (talk) 23:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Project

I cleaned up the intro and added sources. I'll continue to slowly plug along. Please check your email. Indigenous girl (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm working on a sections off line involving extraction zones, trafficking and the contributions of the media regarding exploitation/sexualization. It will be a few days because my time after today is going to be seriously hindered. Indigenous girl (talk) 15:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC

That's great yeah I just happened to get online real fast and I'll try to add citations in. I never expected this to get done in a day lol it's pretty bad. Thank youMcelite (talk) 15:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Here we go again. Lolo Jones, Rozonda Thomas

This is the one that started all of this. None of her sources are RS. Did any source, ever, name a Nation? You want to go back to the edit-warring you did in the Spring, even though not a single source has been turned up for any of these BLPs? - CorbieV ☼ 20:37, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

The source is from the official Olympic Committee if you have a problem with that. That's your problem. Your opinion on RS doesn't override Misplaced Pages policy Corbie. If you want a nation search it out yourself I don't have time for you right now. I'm not going to able to do a lot of what I want to do for the nxt two weeks. Have a great day.Mcelite (talk) 05:57, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Starting back when we found these miscategorizations in the Spring, people from the wikiproject searched for Nations for all these people. You know that, because you made these exact same objections then. Waiting till people are away over the summer and then resuming the same pattern is disingenuous. It's a bio blurb for sportscasters to read, MC. It's not an official document. It's not a passport or any other form of citizenship paper. It's not even a third-party source when she's the only source of the quote. There is zero indication of fact-checking. No one can fact check when she's never named a Nation. - CorbieV ☼ 19:54, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

And again with the WP:INCIVILITY. Calling other editors "childish" for not sharing your views is a violation of the core principles. Do you really want to go down this road again, M? And once again, someone who claims just "Native American", with no Nation, can't be checked, so can't be verified. That's why we have the self-id category. - CorbieV ☼ 19:58, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

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I first want to say that I'm shocked and extremely hurt I've done nothing wrong. Yes me and Corbie have done a lot together but disagreed on 1 issue putting me on Corbie's sore side in my viewpoint. I hold no ill will against Corbie frustration yes, but nothing bad. I don't know that user account Seminolegirl so I'm completely blindsided by this. I don't understand how I was never questioned about sockpuppetry I've put so much work into creating articles, improving articles to the best of my ability, and cooperating with other editors I would never risk being blocked seriously for a time period. I was even in the middle of improving another article I had asked an editor the help me with. My conduct is in no way associated with Seminolegirl I've never interacted with the editor if there is some form of evidence that I'm missing please tell me. I'm completely off guard with this. I understand why I'm that the block is up for I'm not guilty of what I'm accused of. I feel like Corbie is really angry at me, and if Corbie wants to talk to me that is fine. We do disagree on one thing and it makes me feel dominated like my viewpoint is null. I would like to return to my productive contributions as can be seen on my sandbox. I welcome a mediated talk between Corbie and myself I haven't been able to edit like I normally can because of a baby so my edits have been later than usual. Also using the Five Dollar Indian statement is a cultural statement known by many Native Americans it is not unique to my vocabulary I'm hurt that word would be used against me. Again I'm completely confused and I don't understand why there is an accusation of sockpuppetry. Please indicate to me for this suspicion vs similar edits that Corbie has been tracking which I know he can track. Thank youMcelite (talk) 02:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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The CheckUser results are strong; this account edited at 4:29 on June 26, and the Seminolegirl account was created on the same IP, likely on the same computer, at 4:48. The same day, at 15:59 Seminolegirl edits, at 16:00 this account edits, at 16:01 the other account edits again. Both accounts have edited almost exclusively on this IP and computer; no other editors have used this IP. So, please explain how this may have come about. --jpgordon 04:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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That makes no sense to me I haven't created a new account and I know everything is tracked to an IP address I'm not stupid I know how this works. I'm so angry and confused I really did nothing wrong.Mcelite (talk) 06:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC) I'm sorry I'm just really mind blown I can only think of one thing one of my family members must've made an account and I do have a neighbor that uses are internet. My family does know that I'm an editor that's no secret the issue we have a open house meaning family comes in and out consistently, and three just started college. That's my only defense I've worked so hard on here I would never sockpuppet. I wasn't I just accused and asked? I have to go to bed and the people I need to ask are sleep. I will try to get on this morning after I talk to some of my family and ask my neighbor which person made an account it's the only thing I can think of. I have no other defense if the IP address I'm using is coming up.Mcelite (talk) 06:20, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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WP:LITTLEBROTHER, as per below. Yamla (talk) 12:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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(by talk reader) "one of my family members must've made an account " sounds like WP:LITTLEBROTHER. Chris Troutman (talk) 10:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

This isn't WP:LITTLEBROTHER I know my IP is being tracked I've seen people get caught being a sockpuppet. I missed my neighbor this morning so now I have to wait to ask if he made an account, and I have to ask the rest of my family that normally comes and goes. I have no other defense it's the only thing that makes sense. I couldn't have made another account I'd have to log out just to make another account. I'm not blaming anyone Chris I'm only saying that I'm not the sockpuppet I've been accused of. I have to go to work I will try to respond quickly today.Mcelite (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Seminolegirl94 clarified they are your cousin. However, given the substantial overlap in edits, your story is essentially not plausible. It is not plausible for there to be such an overlap in edits without the two of you working together, in which case you'd obviously have known who the other account was. --Yamla (talk) 11:11, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I never worked with anyone though. I asked my family but none of them admitted to anything. I really didn't know about this account guys.Mcelite (talk) 14:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC) I just looked on the talk page I know who they are both in high school, and lied to me after I asked if they had done anything on Misplaced Pages I didn't know they made an account. All I can say is I'm sorry I can't dispute their activity. Please don't punish me for their actions I really didn't know about the account.Mcelite (talk) 15:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

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I am apologizing for the actions of my younger cousins, but more importantly for my involvement. My cousins both in high school had made their own account without my knowledge, and yes we do live together. If I had known about the account I would've let one of the administrators know so I wouldn't be in this position now. I would never make a sockpuppet I'm too experienced as an editor to do something that stupid. Months ago I made the mistake of complaining several times about a disagreement I did have with an editor that I actually respect to them through casual conversations. I did say that I wished that they were editors on more than one occasion, but at this moment I didn't know they had already created the account. I also complained on numerous occasions that I didn't have the time to edit like I wanted. My cousin did admit that this is when she got involved in a discussion she should've never participated in. She took my complaints to heart, and she did a lot of damage with her words. I didn't know about her edits, and I apologize to the Wikipedian community to anyone that she had insulted. The other one said she only did a few edits in the beginning. I did look at the pattern of edits and I can't defend them. They didn't understand how serious this is. I take 100% responsibility for their actions. I influenced them with my anger, my frustration, my words, and I should have kept the frustration on Misplaced Pages to myself to discuss with other editors. I love being an editor, and helping spread knowledge to others. Integrity is an essential part of being a Wikipedian editor, but now all my years of contributions to improve Misplaced Pages have been destroyed by own my words and unintended influence. *I understand my failure to the community because at the end of the day it was my influence that did this. I should've kept wiki business wiki business, but I didn't. *I apologize to the community for failing where I never should've failed. *I apologize to Corbie especially for the actions of my cousin I didn't know about her comments they were very rude and inexcusable. You helped me correct c/e on Dawes Rolls to make the article better and I don't think I thanked you for that. Our Native community is small; I failed you and the others by shutting down and not discussing how we can do things better. I ask for your forgiveness. *I accept the punishment whatever it may be I'm not sure if there's anything I could even fix. *I ask for forgiveness as a Wikipedian I'm very hurt by this incident, and I know this is bigger than me I know it will be a long time before I'm ever trusted again. Mcelite (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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WP:LITTLEBROTHER. Please read it. OhNoitsJamie 14:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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• The technical and behavioral evidence contradicts the elaborate tale of two cousins sharing an account operated by one of the two. Your refusal to acknowledge the socking through similarly elaborate unblock requests is a waste of our time. I have therefore revoked your access to this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

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