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== Good job on the Limbaugh page == == Good job on the Limbaugh page ==

There is a cadre of Limbaugh supporters (still smarting from the election, apparently) who are simply dishonest editors. Kudos to you for standing up to them. Their responses to you showed them to lacking in reason, substance, and character. ] 06:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC) There is a cadre of Limbaugh supporters (still smarting from the election, apparently) who are simply dishonest editors. Kudos to you for standing up to them. Their responses to you showed them to lacking in reason, substance, and character. ] 06:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

== Vandalism on your User Page ==
== Re: Rosencomet's Starwood Edits ==
]
The Undue Weight issue is pretty much the heart of the current ] arbitration. You might want to keep an eye on it for when the arbitrators decide what to do. Y ou are not the first to try to politely point out the problem. --]<sup>]</sup> 22:04, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just reverted your User Page due to vandalism by ]. You can check your history to see the changes. -- ] 05:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Thanks for the heads-up.
:: Cordially, ] 00:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
: Thank you, your courtesy is greatly appreciated. If ever I can do you a service, please let me know. -- ] 18:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
: I hope you accept my replacement of the Starwood mention in ]'s article with a list of "Public Appearances". I did this in consultation with ], and I think that satisfies the issue of Undue Weight. As far as I'm concerned, such a list would be a good addition to any professional lecturer's article, and Starwood and/or WinterStar need not be anything but one inclusion in that list (where appropriate), except when there's some special additional connection to mention (like, as you said, if the subject is an organizer of the event, or recorded a commercially-available CD of their appearance, etc.). I don't have the facilities to supply such a list for everyone, but I will try over time to contact speakers and get one, or find one on their own websites, if they have one. ] 19:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:: I have to confess that I still think you're trying to plug A.C.E. events in an area where it seems to me that there isn't all that much of an audience or potential audience for them which isn't already aware of them, but creating such personal appearance lists for articles on notable persons seems to be an appropriate way of meeting both your needs and Misplaced Pages's requirements (or so I perceive: Y.M.M.V. and all that).
:: I hope you'll include links to other venues and festivals in those lists with the same assiduousness that you do Starwood and Winterstar Festival.
:: Cordially, ] 00:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

::: Well, like I said above, I don't have the same access to the appearance histories of all these people that I do to a list of who has been at Starwood and WinterStar, but I'll do what I can over time. I can contact some of the individual speakers, like I did Patricia Monaghan and Oberon, and ask them to send me a list or steer me in the direction of an existing one, but that's a one-by-one task, and a few of these speakers are no longer with us. But I'll do what I can, and I certainly won't delete other people's efforts in that area or pepper them with {fact} tags. As far as links, I did put test brackets on all the venues on the Morning Glory list, but Pagan Spirit Gathering was the only blue one. Hopefully articles will appear for all sorts of events of note like ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], the ] and others both here and abroad. I am not qualified to write such articles right now, except for Sirius Rising, and I was unsuccessful months ago in keeping it from being deleted (and I am neither associated with it nor have ever attended it, BTW). But I'll link anyone I create a list for that's appeared at ], ], ], or ].] 01:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


== Thanks! == == Thanks! ==


Thank you for reverting my user page. I wish these vandals would do something else besides attacking people. User: ] | ] 23:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC) Thank you for reverting my user page. I wish these vandals would do something else besides attacking people. User: ] | ] 23:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


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==]== ==]==
Hey. I see that you list yourself as a beginning speaker of ]. Have you thought of joining the ]? It's a great place to improve your skills at blazoning. Hop on over and give us a piece of your mind.--] <sup>]]</sup> 21:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Hey. I see that you list yourself as a beginning speaker of ]. Have you thought of joining the ]? It's a great place to improve your skills at blazoning. Hop on over and give us a piece of your mind.--] <sup>]]</sup> 21:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


==] status== ==] status==
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I believe I will stay off vandal patrol for a while until I can work this out with myself and I do want to thank you again for calling me on it. I believe I will stay off vandal patrol for a while until I can work this out with myself and I do want to thank you again for calling me on it.
I hope you can forgive me, I would hate to think that we could not work past this like reasonable people and maybe end up wikiaquaintances. : ) I hope you can forgive me, I would hate to think that we could not work past this like reasonable people and maybe end up wikiaquaintances. : )
'''] ] 17:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC) '''] ] 17:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
: You're certainly forgiven, and I in turn apologize for the delay with this reply, pleading illness. : You're certainly forgiven, and I in turn apologize for the delay with this reply, pleading illness.
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: Best wishes, ] 22:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC) : Best wishes, ] 22:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


== 3RR ==


]
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly{{{{{subst|}}}#if:{{{1|}}}|, as you are doing at ]}}. If you continue, you may be ] from editing Misplaced Pages. Note that the ] prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for ], even if they do not technically violate the ]. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you.<!-- Template:3RR -->--] (]) 23:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
: I can count, you're not going to get rid of me that way, not when you and your buddies obey the letter of the rule while violating the spirit of it by splitting your content-censorship ]-violating edits among yourselves. -- ] (]) 23:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

:: Having several people revert you to avoid running afoul of the 3-revert rule is not a violation of the spirit of it — it's exactly how it's supposed to work. That way, if there is a consensus of many users engaged in an edit dispute with a single editor, the consensus wins. —] (]) 04:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
::: And if the consensus is that the world is flat? Or if the Sun rotates around the still Earth?
::: As a ] said, "It still moves!" -- ] (]) 05:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


== Don Pietromonaco == == Don Pietromonaco ==
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== Uncivil accusations of vandalism ==


It is a violation of ] and ] to characterize good-faith edits as "vandalism", as you did in . I would like an apology, here and on my own talk page, and a promise not to repeat this misbehavior, please. —] (]) 03:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
: I am not going to answer this at this time because I doubt you'd accept the answer -- not because it would be rude or otherwise uncivil but because you probably wouldn't like the intellectual content of what I would have to write in a specific response.
: I propose an alternative: some of your telephone numbers are on the web. I have toll-free long-distance and a flexible schedule. I suggest you specify a convenient time and date, and presuming it's mutually so (more likely than not), I'll call you and we can see if there's some way we can work out an acceptable compromise (if such a thing is indeed possible) over the content issues about which we are disagreeing, short-cutting the back-and-forth of e-mail or public postings. No absolute demands, no assumptions of authority, no rancor, no name-calling, polite conversation -- honest negotiation of the underlying issues.
: Better this attempt, I think, than continuing to fight. -- ] (]) 17:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


== WikiProject St. Louis ==
::Civility should be a given, independent of content. We can continue to disagree about the content, but I insist that you treat my side of the content dispute as a valid one, not as an attempt to degrade Misplaced Pages, which is what you have labeled it by calling it vandalism. I repeat my call for an apology, visible publically here and not through private channels. —] (]) 17:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::: I tried.
::: I'm not an errant boy, for you to spank or publicly shame.
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::: The suggestion for a telephone conversation was not to apologize through private channels, but to ]. What I am sorry about is that you don't appear to care to try to do that.
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::: Given that the split ] is undergoing an ] vote as we write, it does in fact strike me as unethical to reduce a contested part of it to almost nothing in mid-vote, leaving some voters seeing one version of it and other voters seeing a gutted version of it. And yes, I honestly see that to be vandalism, as an act in bad faith. If you were sincere in your change and the reason for it, and confident that you are correct in your interpretations of the Wikirules, why couldn't you have waited for the vote to finish before making it?
| Hello, I noticed you've made edits to ] articles or that you are in some way connected to metropolitan area. I thought you might want to become a member of the ''']'''. We've recently built the project page and started a drive to improve St. Louis related articles. Please take a look to edit an article or add one of your own. Once an article's status has been agreed upon, feel free to stop by and lend a hand in getting it to ''']''' status. Hope you can participate!
|}
::: Given my honest opinion and belief, to apologize to you now would be a lie. I haven't lied at any time in this dispute and I'm not going to start now.
::: It's also my opinion and belief that I am being subjected to escalating attempts at ] to get me to back down from my honest attempts to improve the article as I perceive it, particularly from ] and you. For example, you wrote up in item 11 above:
:::: ''Having several people revert you to avoid running afoul of the 3-revert rule is not a violation of the spirit of it -- it's exactly how it's supposed to work. That way, if there is a consensus of many users engaged in an edit dispute with a single editor, the consensus wins.''
::: I'm sure in disagreements honest on both sides that could be correct, but in this case, it's clearly a means to attempt to marginalize and/or silence a dissenter by a clique.
::: I know bullying. I was physically bullied as a child, I've been paper-bullied in ], and cyber-bullied elsewhere, too, so I know it all too well when it's happening, and it's happening here. You demand, ''"I insist that you treat my side of the content dispute as a valid one, not as an attempt to degrade Misplaced Pages...."'' Well, frankly, I can insist that too, as neither you nor anyone else in your clique have ever given me that courtesy.
::: If anything, this demand of yours is uncivil, as was your demand that I submit to '''your personal test''' before I should edit again, as offensive and uncivil a statement as I have ever seen anywhere in Misplaced Pages. I think ''you'' should apologize to ''me'' for ''that'', although I don't ever expect to receive it.
::: There is one other thing I'm sorry for, and that's losing my temper when I first came back into this. Well over a year ago, when I first tried to improve the ] article and was censored by ], I got so angry I walked away as the various ] articles suggest, because of the manipulation of the rules I saw. Coming back, I had all that unresolved anger, which came out when I saw the same misuse and manipulation continuing to be used to censor the article, by the same person, in a clear violation of ] and ], despite the amount of time which had passed. I'm sorry I gave way to that anger, which is now being focused on in order to attempt to divert attention from the ongoing manipulation and censorship. It's not about me, it's never been about me, but making it about me rather than about the article is a useful tool, and I'm sorry I enabled that.
::: Finally, I didn't know until today that you are an Admin.


] | ] 20:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::: If what I've written above is right, I'll now be blocked for "continuing to be uncivil", which is dirty work ] tried to get other admins to do for him in ] without success. If what I've written above is wrong, maybe you'll understand where I'm coming from and we can work together, accomplishing something productive about opening up the LiveJournal articles to reports of LJ management criticism while keeping the standards you say you want observed. If that happened, I'd admit to being wrong (as I've never had a problem doing ''when'' wrong) and make retractions, and even apologies, accordingly.
::: We'll just see, I guess. -- ] (]) 21:05, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

:::: I'm certainly not going to block you myself for being uncivil — though I may think you deserve it, I'm too closely involved in this dispute to take that action. I had avoided mentioning escalated levels of dispute resolution so far (or my own admin status), deliberately, because I wanted to give you an honest chance to apologize without being under any kind of threat.
::::: Hiding your status from me is not honest, it's deceptive, a lie by omission, and you're literate enough to know that.
::::: I have seen escalating levels of threat for some time, starting with the failed attempt at ]. I have had no reason even before today to assume that escalation would not continue -- and given your last sentence below, I'm sure it will, sad to say.
::::: I said above why you deserve no apology from me, and won't get one, regardless of escalation. I ''am'' sorry that you don't seem to see that what you did in that edit was wrong.

:::: My requests for an apology are a not, as you view them, demands that you comply with my will regarding the content of the articles we disagree on, but rather an attempt to attempt to get you to step back, recognize the importance of Misplaced Pages's policies (particularly, in this case, ]),

::::: I remind you of your offensive and uncivil demand , since you seem to have forgotten it already.
:::: and avoid that sort of escalation. But the next steps, if you continue to refuse to ], would be to take your case to ], possibly followed by higher levels of dispute resolution (user-conduct RFC, or, as a last resort, ]).
::::: Why are you ignoring the sentences beginning with...
:::::: ''"There is one other thing...."''
:::::: ''"I'm sorry I gave way...."''
::::: ...and, most importantly...
:::::: ''"The suggestion for a telephone...."''
:::::: ''"If what I've written above...."''
::::: ...and...
:::::: ''"If that happened, I'd admit...."''
:::: If you wish me to take it to a higher level, so be it. —] (]) 21:37, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
::::: Yep, that's a threat.
::::: Despite all the rudeness on your own part, despite the attempts at bullying, despite all the threats, both oblique and overt, I was willing to set it all aside and '''assume good faith:''' I offered an olive branch, an explicit offer of cooperation to build a better article. You don't appear to want to take it.
::::: That makes it also a shame. -- ] (]) 22:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, in case you care, I've decided not to waste my time escalating this at this time. It's the new year, and a time for new chances; additionally, the AfD will soon be over, at which point I hope this will all be moot. But I ask you again, without any further request for action from you at this time, that you please reconsider all of your past actions in light of ] and ], and try harder to assume good faith and be civil in future editing disagreements, regardless of how you feel other participants in those disagreements may have behaved. —] (]) 21:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

== WikiProject St. Louis ==
{{WikiProject St. Louis invite}}] | ] 20:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
: Thank you for the invitation. -- ] (]) 23:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC) : Thank you for the invitation. -- ] (]) 23:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
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: While my paternal grandparents were from Germany, they both came to the United States as infants, and I myself have never been there nor do I speak or read German. I doubt I'm knowledgeable enough to contribute to the project, but I thank you very much for the invitation and wish you well. -- ] (]) 20:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC) : While my paternal grandparents were from Germany, they both came to the United States as infants, and I myself have never been there nor do I speak or read German. I doubt I'm knowledgeable enough to contribute to the project, but I thank you very much for the invitation and wish you well. -- ] (]) 20:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)


==What?==


Am I supposed to know what 'dot_cattiness' is? I am lost. ] (]) 03:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:Edit: Well now it's a little clearer. Despite what you seem to think of any shared history, speculation, especially fandom based speculation, is just plain not allowed. It's not abuse, it's not a vendetta, it's basic Misplaced Pages rules. I still don't know what dot_cattiness is. ] (]) 03:25, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


== Assume good faith ==


does not ] on the part of ]. In fact, Lots42 is correct in this case, as all information in Misplaced Pages articles must by ] -- which means "fanon speculation" is not appropriate. Please review this content policy, and remain ] in your edit summaries. Thank you. --]<sup>]</sup> 14:57, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
: ] is a participant in a group cyber-bullying which has been ongoing since ''2003''. There is no assumption on my part involved -- I know with certainty that regardless of the text he is not acting in good faith, but is extending the bullying from LiveJournal to Misplaced Pages.
: I agree that the assumption of good faith in an edit is the normal response to be expected, but this case is different -- this is stalking on his part. -- ] (]) 16:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

::What? I have no idea what you are saying, I am part of no such campaign. ] (]) 16:13, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::: Either you have the memory of an Alzheimer's patient, or you're lying. Either way, the next time you think an edit of mine needs correction, leave it alone. If anything I write ''truly'' needs further editing, I have no doubt someone else will note it without bias and make the appropriate adjustment. '''You''' stay out of my work and my life. -- ] (]) 16:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


==The Jesus Factor== ==The Jesus Factor==
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== USS Princeton ==
Who, what, when, where," and.... if you know: "why" and "how"...and REFERENCES. Thanks ] (]) 05:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
: I don't know what your intentions are, but this reads (to me) as patronizing and rude. I put in the information I had available to me, counting on other editors to elaborate with what information they might have beyond what I knew, as you in fact did. However, you could have done so without appearing to be a jerk about it. -- ] (]) 07:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


== justifying your userboxes left and right == == justifying your userboxes left and right ==
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== Notification of ] case against ] == == Notification of ] case against ] ==


I have opened an ] discussion on ] ] off-wiki for people to participate in AfDs. Since part of the evidence is your recent post on his talk page, you might want to at least keep an eye on it. and ]. Please come and participate in the discussion. Cheers, ]] 05:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC) I have opened an ] discussion on ] ] off-wiki for people to participate in AfDs. Since part of the evidence is your recent post on his talk page, you might want to at least keep an eye on it. and ]. Please come and participate in the discussion. Cheers, ]] 05:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


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''Was a decision made with regard to Rosencomet's AN/I, or did it simply scroll off again? Pigman put it back at least once, but I don't want to be presumptious, especially as I just want him to act differently, not get blocked, which is where it looked like things were going the last time I looked. -- Davidkevin (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)'' ''Was a decision made with regard to Rosencomet's AN/I, or did it simply scroll off again? Pigman put it back at least once, but I don't want to be presumptious, especially as I just want him to act differently, not get blocked, which is where it looked like things were going the last time I looked. -- Davidkevin (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)''
: I believe it just went stale. He is but has ] in the last couple days. I think I would like to try to work with him, since he seems to trust me. I will approach him about that soon. - ] 16:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC) : I believe it just went stale. He is but has ] in the last couple days. I think I would like to try to work with him, since he seems to trust me. I will approach him about that soon. - ] 16:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Thank you. I have hopes for your working with him. Much obliged. -- ] (]) 06:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC) :: Thank you. I have hopes for your working with him. Much obliged. -- ] (]) 06:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
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: Newsletter was ''The Crown Prints''. // Possibly, as long as ] isn't involved in making the decision. -- ] (]) 01:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC) : Newsletter was ''The Crown Prints''. // Possibly, as long as ] isn't involved in making the decision. -- ] (]) 01:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


== ANI ==

Go ahead. More power to you and all. ]<sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small>]</small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 02:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:Oh and if you're gonna do it, do it soon. I've got classes tomorrow so I've got to get to bed at a reasonable hour :) ]<sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small>]</small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 02:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:: '''(Posted on ])'''
== Schadenfreude ==
If you want to discuss the article ] the place to do that is on the article's talk page, not on my user page. Your comment was "Yes, the Hitler example is important. It helps show just how damned ''']''' the concept is. -- ] (]) 13:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)". WP:NPOV is a bad fit with adding and re-adding examples meant to show '''evil''' (an article topic) is. But take it to the article talk page if you want to argue for putting Hitler back in again; others besides me removed it previously.15:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:: === Khan Noonien Singh ===
: Thanks for the unsigned comment -- I had to look at the history of my own user talk page to see who this was from, ].
::] has apparently taken ownership of the article in violation of ]. He and ] claim there is consensus to ignore validly sourced references from '']'', but the article talk page shows no discussion, much less consensus. Mr. Fuchs so far has taken an apparent attitude to the effect of "I'm an admin, you can't stop me, and you're a troll for opposing me." Please, objective admins look at this and prevent this abuse. Thank you. -- ] (]) 02:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
: I politely wrote to you as a courtesy. I didn't expect a rude, anonymous rant in reply. Silly me. -- ] (]) 17:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


Hi, David. I hope you realize that you're on the verge of violating ]. When I added the ''Enterprise'' info to the article, it was not my intention to start an edit war. I agree that there's no evidence of a previous consensus on the article's talk page; but that's not an argument for avoiding the talk page yourself. Let's discuss it. —] <small>(] • ])</small> 03:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::: My apologies for forgetting to sign my comment with four tildes. I was not trying to be anonymous and I did not intend my remarks to be rude. 18:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC) ] (]) 18:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
: Not avoiding it, and have ceased editing at my limit of three. (There's only one of me and two sitting on the article to overwhelme any changes I make. I decline to be provoked into a 3RR violation.)
::::: Apology and intention accepted. I apologize in turn for misunderstanding you. -- ] (]) 18:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
: I'd be pleased to have that discussion there, and look forward to it. -- ] (]) 03:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Your edit summary , reverting my addition of the {{]}} template, was not civil. I appreciate that this particular article is one that you feel passionately about, but that sort of dialogue is not productive. --] (]) 17:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:: Fair enough. I just wanted to remind you that it's possible to edit war without violating 3RR. As ] says, "The 3RR metric is not an exemption for conduct that stays under the threshold. For instance, edit warring could take the form of 4+ reverts on a page in a day, or three, or one per day for a protracted period of time, or one per page across many pages, or simply a pattern of isolated blind reverts as a first resort against disagreeable edits." To my eye, the reversions on ] (from both sides) were an edit war, even though you stayed on the right side of 3RR. It's not a big deal — but it might have been more productive to go to the talk page before AN/I. —] <small>(] • ])</small> 03:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
::: You're right, and I apologize...but I get irritated by people equating the two phrases and using it as an excuse to make articles less encyclopedic, particularly articles that I've put some sweat into. "In popular culture" and "Trivia" really don't mean the same thing. However, I'll make a better effort to be emphatic without being sarcastic from frustration. -- ] (]) 17:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC) ::: Possibly, but I suspect not probably. As for the ] rule, one can wish it weren't compromised by ]ing. "Three is the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three." -- ] (]) 03:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


::::Five is right out. See you at ]. —] <small>(] • ])</small> 04:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
== Harriet Jones ==


==Edward Asner==
Ah, well in my ''own'' opinion I do think we've (unfortunately) seen the last of Jones. Her character arc was finished - she redeemed herself to the Doctor, died a noble death, and perhaps most importantly justified her pivotal decision from The Christmas Invasion as the scenario she had prophesised of the Earth being in danger and the Doctor being unable to help came true. It would cheapen her sacrifice if she somehow had survived. I understand how some thought she might return in Journey's End (there was all those rumours that she'd be inside the red Dalek) but she didn't. With her included in the montage of those who gave up their lives for the Doctor, and Ten now informed of her sacrifice, I feel her story has come to an end. Of course, this is sci-fi and even Rose got to reappear, but on a personal level for me I really believe that she is dead (despite my love for the character) because anything else would ruin the redemption she truly earned.
I have no issue with your position that Pournelle and his political viewpoint are such that a notable interaction with Asner would be interesting and perhaps worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. However, the fact that Pournelle thinks Asner is "a good neighbor" is trivial. If Pournelle agreed to serve on a board with Asner despite intense political differences, or if Pournelle made public statements or testimony on behalf of Asner's right to hold opinions Pournelle might personally disagree with, it would be worthy of note (though arguably more in a Pournelle article than an Asner one). But the opinion that Asner is "a good neighbor" is just too trivial. It doesn't significantly effect a reader's opinion of or insight into either Pournelle or Asner. If the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan said that Jesse Jackson was a "good neighbor," it wouldn't be a significant statement. If he said, "Jackson may be a n**** but I like him and play pool with him twice a week," that would be noteworthy. It's the "good neighbor" reference I find trivial. Shall we put it to the basic Misplaced Pages test -- consensus? ] (]) 07:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


And, on a visual level, she was seen facing down three Daleks fully expecting death. That we did not see her dying was I believe for dramatic effect rather than sneaky plot device. The viewer is left to imagine her death rather than see it, which can be far more frightening. I would also bring up how many others we know have died but have not seen it physically (the attendant from Midnight for example, or several others from that montage).



Finally, Misplaced Pages articles shouldn't be about hedging bets, they should be about facts that we know and I have to question what real indication you say you have that she may reappear. I do not wish to edit war, but I really do feel strongly about this.
==Skarl the drummer==
Regardless, thank you for taking the time to discuss it with me. ] (]) 16:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
He says he's willing to abide by Third Opinion if you are willing to go there with him. None of my business - just trying to keep things calm. ] (]) 21:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
== ''Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan'' ==
: I'm calm, don't worry about that. I don't believe Skarl further than I can throw him, but if consensus is that Third Opinion is the next step, fine with me. -- ] (]) 21:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Reprinted here because the ] has Last-Word-itis and cut off my final post.

:: Your move. -- ] 21:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

::: In case it's not clear, I am expecting you to make the entry at Third Opinion. If you'd rather I do it, then please let me know. -- ] 21:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::: I was in the process of writing the entry when you posted these. It's done. If you dislike the wording, feel free to add to it how you see things, but please do not delete my wording. Thank you. -- ] (]) 21:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

::::: No, it's mostly ok. It could use links to the various discussions, but I'm assuming whoever reviews it will look into that. -- ] 21:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== old times ==
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Have you four names? Rowan says hi and hopes you are well. —] (]) 03:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
: I wonder how I missed this before? Anyway, sorry for the delay in answering, and yes, I have four names. I hope both you and Rowan are well as well. I'm married, and our sons just turned 18 and 15. I'd be pleased to further converse in a more private manner if you or she would like. -- ] (]) 19:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know you were an admin. Okay, now that you've declared your ] through admin power, no facts will be allowed to be in the article which contradict your solipsistic disbelief that they occurred, even though literally hundreds of people were there, and you may call another editor a liar at your whim.

I don't do Facebook anymore. Drop by sometime. —] (]) 06:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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: If you feel I'm abusing my powers (although I haven't used my admin abilities at all), take it to WP:ANI. I am reverting material because it falls afould of WP:V and WP:RS. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:: You called me a liar, so, yeah, you were abusive. -- ] (]) 14:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC) ] (]) 00:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::: Then go ahead. I really don't care. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 14:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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:::: Go ahead and what? Put the info back in, or go and ahead and make a complaint about your violation of ] by calling me a liar ("Your word doesn't cut it.")? -- ] (]) 14:51, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::::: Make a complaint. My edits were in line with policy and guideline. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 14:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
=== Can't Put It In the Article, but True Anyway ===
:::::: No, I've already lost this fight. You have other admin buddies, I don't. Cronyism rules. You get your "win" from name-calling and proving you're a big shot. The rest of the public loses because information which illuminates how an actor approached her role is kept out of the article. -- ] (]) 15:11, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I just want to mention that in my observation and experience every good word about this hospital in the article is true.
::::::: I'm sick of editors like you griping about jack and then refusing to do anything about it. If you think us evil admins rule the show, then why the hell are you contributing here. Stand up or shut up would be a helpful maxim here. If you're not going to do anything, then you're wasting people's time. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 15:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
All praise to the ] and ] in particular, which saved my younger son's life as a ] when he had a systemic ] infection. Without their care his ] estimated he would have died the next day. It's been over a decade, and he's tall and healthy and strong as the proverbial bull.
:::::::: I'm sick of editors taking ownership of articles and cutting out factual information because they don't like it. I'm sick of editors taking ownership of and doing wholesale rewrites of t.v. universe chronologies and substituting their bizarrely "creative" personal notions of what the characters "really" did and said for what was actually depicted. I'm sick of editors younger than my children, ignorant of anything before 1994 and therefore not on the web, telling me events didn't happen because they occurred before newspaper contents were digitized, and due to having a life not having time to look them up in forty-year-old newspapers in morgues on the other side of town. I'm sick of my time being wasted in trying to make contributions of value written in coherent English sentences, only to be reverted by virtual illiterates sitting at keyboards they don't know how to use. I'm sick of admins who say I should assume good faith out of one side of their mouths while calling me a liar out of the other. I'm sick of factual inaccuracies being repeated because they're on the web somewhere else because Jimbo Wales, speaking '']'', decided the standard should be "verifiability, '''not''' truth" when anyone with the common sense God gave an ant in one of ] can see that the standard for an encyclopedia should be "verifiability '''and''' truth".
I can never thank them enough. -- Davidkevin (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: So don't whine at me about e-vile non-Admin editors who don't feel like uselessly reporting you to your friends and cronies for being the jerk you're being to someone actually trying to do some good with and for Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 16:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
: My actions were in line with policy and guideline. Yours are not. You're acting like a petulant child, so I'm assuming you realized that if you took me to ANI you would be found in the wrong, or else have deluded yourself sufficiently and have resorted to calling me childish names. Good for you. I'm going to continue building an encyclopedia, see you when you grow up. <font color="#cc6600">]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 19:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:: You keep telling yourself that -- whatever enables your conscience to forget your actions so that you can sleep at night. -- ] (]) 19:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


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It's not my rule, it's wikipedia's rule. You need to read it, and then you'll understand. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 19:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC) It's a plot summary. The thing about broken glass is (while factually correct) irrelevent to the plot synopsis.--] (]) 20:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
: See last post in the chain above. You helped inspire it. -- ] (]) 19:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


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Don't worry, I'm done posting to you. As I said, just wanted to thank you. -- ] (]) 19:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
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Tony Attwood is a cultural ]? I think what is bigoted is linking the Asperger's Syndrome page to ], as if Albert ] is somehow on the same page as ]!
I have ] Syndrome and had read Tony's book. It provides an accurate portrait (though of course there may be errors) of the condition. It describes downsides, such as ] and hypersensitivity, but puts together a coherent picture of the talents people with the syndrome have. And oh, it mentions Temple Grandin.
Bill Gates may had Asperger's, perhaps with ADHD, but I would vouch that he is no psychopath. He may have occasionally lost his temper, but that's about it. Although he got in trouble with ] by the time he was a billionaire, but I have never heard of him threatening to kill anyone or, for that matter, sponsoring oppressive regimes. Unless you count ].
In fact Gates did a lot of ] and I would hope his political involvement would do more for less fortunate people/nations than that of his namesake the ].
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: In this particular instance, you added a piece of information that you know to be true, but that had no recorded source (such as a video or transcript) stating that this person did indeed say the things that you heard. If you put yourself in the place of everyone who did not hear Besch say those things, wouldn't you be dubious of that information, unless you could go check the information yourself somewhere? That is the basis of WP:V.
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Good job on the Limbaugh page

There is a cadre of Limbaugh supporters (still smarting from the election, apparently) who are simply dishonest editors. Kudos to you for standing up to them. Their responses to you showed them to lacking in reason, substance, and character. Eleemosynary 06:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Vandalism on your User Page

Hi, I just reverted your User Page due to vandalism by User:67.189.93.116. You can check your history to see the changes. -- Hdt83 05:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, your courtesy is greatly appreciated. If ever I can do you a service, please let me know. -- Davidkevin 18:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for reverting my user page. I wish these vandals would do something else besides attacking people. User: Hdt83 | Talk/Chat 23:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


Joe Buck

I fail to see how saying that someone forgot someone else's middle name could be considered libelous. The better complaint would be that it's uncited. For all we know, the editor might have either made it up or misunderstood it. Wahkeenah 17:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Earlier versions were worse -- I think the original intention was simply a slam against Mr. Buck (see the article history). Either or both reasons are sufficient for its removal. -- Davidkevin 17:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. There are some users (IP addresses mostly, I think) who apparently have a vendetta against Joe Buck for reasons known only to themselves, and that kind of stuff has to be watched. I just don't think this one item is libelous... as if Joe Buck even would care what wikipedia said about him anyway, but that's another story. I think he does just fine as a broadcaster. Wahkeenah 17:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Heraldry Project

Hey. I see that you list yourself as a beginning speaker of Blazon. Have you thought of joining the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology? It's a great place to improve your skills at blazoning. Hop on over and give us a piece of your mind.--Eva 21:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:CVU status

The Misplaced Pages:Counter-Vandalism Unit project is under consideration to be moved to {{inactive}} and/or {{historical}} status. Another proposal is to delete or redirect the project. You have been identified as a project member and your input as to this matter would be welcomed at WT:CVU#Inactive.3F and at the deletion debate. Thank you! Delivered on behalf of xaosflux 15:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Chrysler Building

I would suggest that you start reading about what triva and popular culture sections are all about before you do nothing but reverting sections that have been tagged. We wikipedians agree on the status quo of using the tags on trivia and popular culture sections, and that they go together - and the Chrysler Building has been once tagged for the overuse of the unnecessary use of popular cultures.

If you think these tags aren't what they are, I would suggest you search around Misplaced Pages and find articles that tagged the popular culture section with trivia tags and see for yourself before you do any reverts to Chrysler Building.

Lastly, When you revert something, give a good reason. Also remember, don't ever try breaking the 3 revert rule. You have been warned, we do not tolerate edit wars here.

121.6.67.23 06:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

What is this 'we' you speak of, oh one who is too new or too cowardly to have an account with a name? "'We' do not tolerate edit wars here"? If you don't even have a named account, you're not part of any "we wikipedians." ("We pompous twits," now, that you might belong to.)
If you're so illiterate that you can't understand the plain English difference in meanings between "'X' in popular culture" and "Trivia section", then you shouldn't be editing Misplaced Pages articles.
Finally, you can quit the pompous finger-wagging, I've broken nothing and there is no war.

"Also remember, don't ever try breaking the 3 revert rule. You have been warned, we do not tolerate edit wars here."

As Chris Knight said about Kent in Real Genius, "Who talks like that?" -- Davidkevin 10:21, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

3RR doesn't apply when dealing with vandalism. And you're welcome.  :) Corvus cornix 15:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, David. I hope you will accept my sincerest apologies over my mistake. When I looked at the edit summary I thought it said "Trivia", in which case the template would have been appropriate. Whether or not it still is, I am unsure because I haven't read the rest of the article. I was on vandal patrol and simply looking for blatant vandalism- and removing a template without an edit summary usually fits under that category. I fear I may be becoming jaded by the sheer amounts of vandalism I see. I do only do it every once in a while but I have found that it does tend to diminish your ability to assume good faith. When you see as many real vandals as I do out on patrol you tend to start wondering how it could be possible that a real person out there could be treating something millions of people spent time on with such malice. It does get to your head. I believe I will stay off vandal patrol for a while until I can work this out with myself and I do want to thank you again for calling me on it. I hope you can forgive me, I would hate to think that we could not work past this like reasonable people and maybe end up wikiaquaintances. : ) L'Aquatique 17:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

You're certainly forgiven, and I in turn apologize for the delay with this reply, pleading illness.
I should have included a reason for my revert, but I was tired and lax and did not, so I have my own part of the responsibility for this mix-up. I shall endeavor to do better.
Best wishes, Davidkevin 22:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


Don Pietromonaco

You have any further info on him and the teen club he was involved with in the basement of the Imperial Club located at West Florissant and Goodfellow? Alatari (talk) 15:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

As far as the teen club, sorry, no. I was in elementary school during his days as Johnny Rabbitt, and never got further north than Arsenal Street without being in the company of my parents. They and I did once get to visit with him at the station in "Radio Park", though.
Everything else I know about him (and that's not actually that much) would almost certainly be original research as I doubt I could find a verifiable citation for most of it. -- Davidkevin (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)



WikiProject St. Louis

Hello, I noticed you've made edits to St. Louis articles or that you are in some way connected to metropolitan area. I thought you might want to become a member of the St. Louis WikiProject. We've recently built the project page and started a drive to improve St. Louis related articles. Please take a look to edit an article or add one of your own. Once an article's status has been agreed upon, feel free to stop by and lend a hand in getting it to featured article status. Hope you can participate!

Grey Wanderer | Talk 20:38, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the invitation. -- Davidkevin (talk) 23:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Germany Invitation

Hello, Davidkevin! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.


--Zeitgespenst (talk) 12:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

While my paternal grandparents were from Germany, they both came to the United States as infants, and I myself have never been there nor do I speak or read German. I doubt I'm knowledgeable enough to contribute to the project, but I thank you very much for the invitation and wish you well. -- Davidkevin (talk) 20:48, 28 January 2008 (UTC)



The Jesus Factor

Thanks. I'm sorry to say I lost the book during moving house a few years back, but I thought it was an extremely clever fantasy around the Manhattan Project and subsequent events. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 01:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)



justifying your userboxes left and right

Really, you are "a" historian? I consider myself some thing of "an" historian. Is there room in the wikiverse for both of us? I just don't know. DaronDierkes (talk) 08:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I meant no offense, I've just always struggled to choose which article to use. You may be interested in the new history working group for the st. louis wikiproject Misplaced Pages:WikiProject St. Louis/History. I'm still working on a bunch of loose ends, but I'll be try to work on that page as much as I can off and on. I mean to eventually sort through the articles and figure out exactly which counties they happened in and categorize them. There's a lot to be done. No pressure, just want to keep you informed. DaronDierkes (talk) 05:35, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Notification of WP:ANI case against User:Rosencomet

I have opened an WP:ANI discussion on User:Rosencomet's canvassing off-wiki for people to participate in AfDs. Since part of the evidence is your recent post on his talk page, you might want to at least keep an eye on it. Here is the diff and here is a link to the specific section. Please come and participate in the discussion. Cheers, Pigman 05:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


Personal e-mail

Please stop posting something that was not addressed to you on my talk page. That e-mail was a personal one to friends, Oberon included, and should NEVER have been forwarded to ANYONE without my consent. I have spoken to Oberon about this, and he has apologized. You used the term "tacky"; how much more to keep publicizing a private e-mail, especially in a way that it can be taken out of the context of the private conversations it was a follow-up to and used to damage me. You say you have nothing against me, but I have a hard time believing it. Perhaps if you viewed my contributions over the past six months or even since the arbitration, you'd realize that I am just trying to get more Magical people involved in Misplaced Pages. Maybe then I wouldn't have to defend these authors so often myself.

Also, my intent is not to promote Starwood. Most of the articles I've written in the past year, like Nevill Drury, Chas S. Clifton, Sally Morningstar, Pamela J. Ball, Vivianne Crowley, and many more have never been to an ACE event. Pigman has been scouring Misplaced Pages of mentions of Starwood and ACE that pre-date the arbitration no matter how appropriate a mention might be judged on a case-by-case basis; I have usually either let it go or responded on talk pages, not revert warred or been aggressive, which is exactly what I was told to do. -- Rosencomet (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That e-mail was posted to four separate YahooGroups -- two connected with Oberon's Grey School of Wizardry and the Grey Council, one connected with the revival of the CAW, and a private groups of friends of mine populated by my personal invitation only. In no way was it described as confidential.
You said I misrepresented what you wrote, I don't think I did. If anything, I minimized the extent of what you were asking others to do. I first tried merely linking to your letter, than copied and pasted it after I found the link would not work, so that other editors could make their own judgements from your own words what your intent was rather than go through my interpretation which you claimed was inaccurate.
As for the letter's context, no, I certainly didn't participate in the larger written exchange of which it was a part, so perhaps I am mistaken about that, but from my admittedly limited point of view it certainly looks to me like a crass attempt to proverbially stuff the ballot box.
I make no claim of perfection, and perhaps in fact I am wholly misinterpreting, and then again perhaps I am not. I can only go by what I have read plus what I (no doubt incompletely) know of your past actions with regard to Misplaced Pages.
Yes, I really do not have anything against you...but it does distress me that you seem unable to grok that some of what you do in the context of Misplaced Pages is seriously inappropriate. I myself have a hard head and have made similar faux-pas from time to time and been taken to task for them, sometimes with kindness and sometimes with malice, so it distresses me to see someone who I know to be an otherwise righteous person subject himself to the same. I really am trying to help you in my less-than-perfect way. -- Davidkevin (talk) 16:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


Rosencomet

Was a decision made with regard to Rosencomet's AN/I, or did it simply scroll off again? Pigman put it back at least once, but I don't want to be presumptious, especially as I just want him to act differently, not get blocked, which is where it looked like things were going the last time I looked. -- Davidkevin (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe it just went stale. He is not blocked but has no contributions in the last couple days. I think I would like to try to work with him, since he seems to trust me. I will approach him about that soon. - Revolving Bugbear 16:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I have hopes for your working with him. Much obliged. -- Davidkevin (talk) 06:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


DC Fontana

If you have a reliable source for DC Fontana's involvement with the Society for Creative Anachronism, pls try to give one. I don't know much about her personal life sadly.

On Star Trek, I liked the original show and the first 2 sequels but I'm afraid it started to lose a lot of gas after the end of ST DS9 and the departure of Ronald D. Moore. ST Voyager and ST Ent was really bland in my subjective view. It seems as if most sci-fi fans today are mostly engaged with BSG which is made in Vancouver, Canada close to where I live. Some fans are even excited about 'Caprica' though I don't know much about it. I don't think Star Trek has a bright future with CBS which basically shut down the startrek.com site last December. CBS is simply slashing all their online program divisions and firing their online staffers to the bone. If CBS' Evening show couldn't catch fire with superstar anchor Katie Couric, what chance does a new movie or sequel of Star Trek have with them, I wonder? Leoboudv (talk) 06:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That she was a kingdom officer (Mistress of the Lists) was in the Caid kingdom newsletter, the title of which I don't remember, back in the early '80s. -- Davidkevin (talk) 01:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
  • OK. That's good enough. A source would have helped but we don't always remember to footnote our sources when we type in articles. BTW, do you think Star Trek has a chance for a rebirth under CBS? You must have some views here. Personally, I am really doubtful...sadly. Regards, Leoboudv (talk) 01:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Newsletter was The Crown Prints. // Possibly, as long as Les Moonves isn't involved in making the decision. -- Davidkevin (talk) 01:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

ANI

Go ahead. More power to you and all. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 02:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh and if you're gonna do it, do it soon. I've got classes tomorrow so I've got to get to bed at a reasonable hour :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 02:37, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
(Posted on Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents)
=== Khan Noonien Singh ===
User:David_Fuchs has apparently taken ownership of the article in violation of WP:OWN. He and User:Juliancolton claim there is consensus to ignore validly sourced references from Star Trek: Enterprise, but the article talk page shows no discussion, much less consensus. Mr. Fuchs so far has taken an apparent attitude to the effect of "I'm an admin, you can't stop me, and you're a troll for opposing me." Please, objective admins look at this and prevent this abuse. Thank you. -- Davidkevin (talk) 02:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, David. I hope you realize that you're on the verge of violating WP:3RR. When I added the Enterprise info to the article, it was not my intention to start an edit war. I agree that there's no evidence of a previous consensus on the article's talk page; but that's not an argument for avoiding the talk page yourself. Let's discuss it. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 03:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Not avoiding it, and have ceased editing at my limit of three. (There's only one of me and two sitting on the article to overwhelme any changes I make. I decline to be provoked into a 3RR violation.)
I'd be pleased to have that discussion there, and look forward to it. -- Davidkevin (talk) 03:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough. I just wanted to remind you that it's possible to edit war without violating 3RR. As Misplaced Pages:Edit war says, "The 3RR metric is not an exemption for conduct that stays under the threshold. For instance, edit warring could take the form of 4+ reverts on a page in a day, or three, or one per day for a protracted period of time, or one per page across many pages, or simply a pattern of isolated blind reverts as a first resort against disagreeable edits." To my eye, the reversions on Khan Noonien Singh (from both sides) were an edit war, even though you stayed on the right side of 3RR. It's not a big deal — but it might have been more productive to go to the talk page before AN/I. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 03:17, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Possibly, but I suspect not probably. As for the 3RR rule, one can wish it weren't compromised by weasel wording. "Three is the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three." -- Davidkevin (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Five is right out. See you at Talk:Khan Noonien Singh. —Josiah Rowe (talkcontribs) 04:06, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Edward Asner

I have no issue with your position that Pournelle and his political viewpoint are such that a notable interaction with Asner would be interesting and perhaps worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. However, the fact that Pournelle thinks Asner is "a good neighbor" is trivial. If Pournelle agreed to serve on a board with Asner despite intense political differences, or if Pournelle made public statements or testimony on behalf of Asner's right to hold opinions Pournelle might personally disagree with, it would be worthy of note (though arguably more in a Pournelle article than an Asner one). But the opinion that Asner is "a good neighbor" is just too trivial. It doesn't significantly effect a reader's opinion of or insight into either Pournelle or Asner. If the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan said that Jesse Jackson was a "good neighbor," it wouldn't be a significant statement. If he said, "Jackson may be a n**** but I like him and play pool with him twice a week," that would be noteworthy. It's the "good neighbor" reference I find trivial. Shall we put it to the basic Misplaced Pages test -- consensus? Monkeyzpop (talk) 07:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


Skarl the drummer

He says he's willing to abide by Third Opinion if you are willing to go there with him. None of my business - just trying to keep things calm. Peridon (talk) 21:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm calm, don't worry about that. I don't believe Skarl further than I can throw him, but if consensus is that Third Opinion is the next step, fine with me. -- Davidkevin (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Your move. -- Skarl 21:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
In case it's not clear, I am expecting you to make the entry at Third Opinion. If you'd rather I do it, then please let me know. -- Skarl 21:32, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I was in the process of writing the entry when you posted these. It's done. If you dislike the wording, feel free to add to it how you see things, but please do not delete my wording. Thank you. -- Davidkevin (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
No, it's mostly ok. It could use links to the various discussions, but I'm assuming whoever reviews it will look into that. -- Skarl 21:44, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


old times

Have you four names? Rowan says hi and hopes you are well. —Tamfang (talk) 03:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I wonder how I missed this before? Anyway, sorry for the delay in answering, and yes, I have four names. I hope both you and Rowan are well as well. I'm married, and our sons just turned 18 and 15. I'd be pleased to further converse in a more private manner if you or she would like. -- Davidkevin (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't do Facebook anymore. Drop by my site sometime. —Tamfang (talk) 06:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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St. Louis Children's Hospital

Can't Put It In the Article, but True Anyway

I just want to mention that in my observation and experience every good word about this hospital in the article is true.

All praise to the Emergency Department and Pediatric Intensive Care Unit in particular, which saved my younger son's life as a toddler when he had a systemic streptococcus infection. Without their care his physician estimated he would have died the next day. It's been over a decade, and he's tall and healthy and strong as the proverbial bull.

I can never thank them enough. -- Davidkevin (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Real Genius

It's a plot summary. The thing about broken glass is (while factually correct) irrelevent to the plot synopsis.--Marhawkman (talk) 20:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

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Tony Attwood is a cultural bigot? I think what is bigoted is linking the Asperger's Syndrome page to psychopathy, as if Albert Einstein is somehow on the same page as Jack the Ripper! I have Asperger's Syndrome and had read Tony's book. It provides an accurate portrait (though of course there may be errors) of the condition. It describes downsides, such as stereotypy and hypersensitivity, but puts together a coherent picture of the talents people with the syndrome have. And oh, it mentions Temple Grandin. Bill Gates may had Asperger's, perhaps with ADHD, but I would vouch that he is no psychopath. He may have occasionally lost his temper, but that's about it. Although he got in trouble with antitrust law by the time he was a billionaire, but I have never heard of him threatening to kill anyone or, for that matter, sponsoring oppressive regimes. Unless you count outsourcing. In fact Gates did a lot of philantropy and I would hope his political involvement would do more for less fortunate people/nations than that of his namesake the Secretary of Defense. Enough evaluating. See for yourself which is the elephant and which the poacher. 24.184.234.24 (talk) 21:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)LeucineZIpper

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RE: Max Q (astronaut band)

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You're invited to Misplaced Pages Takes St. Louis!

Dust off your Polaroid camera and pack your best lenses. The first-ever Misplaced Pages Takes St. Louis photo hunt kicks off Sat, Sept. 15, around noon in downtown St. Louis. Tour the streets of the Rome of the West with other Wikipedians and even learn a little St. Louis history. This event is a fun and collaborative way to enhance St. Louis articles with visual content. Novice photographers welcome! Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 06:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries Seattle

Decemmber 8 - Misplaced Pages Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited
Seattle Public Library
  • Date Saturday, December 8, 2012
  • Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m.
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  • Event An editathon on Seattle-related Misplaced Pages articles with Misplaced Pages tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand.
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Nomination of Stu Klitenic for deletion

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Candy Corn

Yum, yum, I love candy corn. How often do you eat candy corn? WisconsinBoyClevelandRocks228844 (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Nothing Has Changed, It Still Stinks

Going back to the article about Asperger's syndrome after many years of deliberately staying away from it has brought back all the anger about how the article is such culturally bigoted, elite-edited bullshit. There is no Good Faith to Assume, the names change but the bad editorial practices continue. To Hell with it. -- Davidkevin (talk) 04:06, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid what you're running into is Misplaced Pages's attempt at solving the problem of pseudoscience showing up in articles. While articles on most topics are written in perfectly generic ways, any article covering material which overlaps with a known medical or psychiatric diagnosis, will tend to become about pathology. Once that happens, and the subject is forced into the medical box, edits which conflict with that pathology-only POV will be poorly tolerated.
Sometimes the non-pathological things will be shifted off into their own articles, which relatively few readers will ever find, and which may later be nominated for deletion. I've also seen them merged back into the main article, then deleted from it. Whichever route things take, it will be an uphill battle for any non-pathological POV, while the pathology article will be there, and policed by med rules enforcers, forever.
Part of this is not Misplaced Pages's fault, either, it is the fulfillment of Feynman's observation about money corrupting science. If you're a professional curebie, there's millions in grants to be had, but if you're studying hyperlexia or hypercalculia, you're going to have a very hard time, because they're beneficial. Nobody cares much about diagnosing them, no treatment is desired, and since they can't be induced, how's anyone going to monetise them? So studies pointing to positive traits related to the autism spectrum and the broader phenotype are rare. That's just one example, but it's hardly restricted to positive aspects of autism, it's a problem throughout science.
Misplaced Pages's flawed fix to the problem of woo science articles, and money-driven implementation of science, work synergistically to make articles, even some high profile Featured Articles, into a particular sort of badness. People who are looking for practical info on a subject like Asperger's, are instead confronted with a strange list of topics, like off-label use of atypical antipsychotics, because that's the sort of things the market produces and documents, in the way Misplaced Pages demands it be documented. Lesser-researched branches of the topics won't make it into survey studies, and will be excluded for that reason. Useful, practical sort of information for the layperson may be entirely absent, since it's rarely the stuff of peer-reviewed pathology articles.
Or, to say all that as tersely as possible, politics shapes that article. If you want to fix the article, you'll have to change the politics. 173.228.54.27 (talk) 19:24, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite

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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open!

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Women in Red World Contest

Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!


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Misplaced Pages Meetup St. Louis 16

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You are invited to attend the 16th St. Louis Misplaced Pages and WikiProject Meetup. Please join the discussion if you have articles or topics for discussion for our focused meeting time from 7-8 PM in the room Chuck Berry. This all takes place as part of Venture Cafe's Thursday Gatherings at the Cortex Innovation Community in St. Louis. Come early if you want to have social time. Please do visit 16th St. Louis Misplaced Pages and WikiProject Meetup and add your name if you plan to attend. THANKS :)

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Nomination of Keating Muething & Klekamp for deletion

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Misplaced Pages Meetup St. Louis 17

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2019 US Banknote Contest

US Banknote Contest
November-December 2019

There are an estimated 30,000 different varieties of United States banknotes, yet only a fraction of these are represented on Wikimedia Commons in the form of 2D scans. Additionally, Colonial America, the Confederate States, the Republic of Texas, multiple states and territories, communities, and private companies have issued banknotes that are in the public domain today but are absent from Commons.

In the months of November and December, WikiProject Numismatics will be running a cross-wiki upload-a-thon, the 2019 US Banknote Contest. The goal of the contest is to increase the number of US banknote images available to content creators on all Wikimedia projects. Participants will claim points for uploading and importing 2D scans of US banknotes, and at the end of the contest all will receive awards. Whether you want to claim the Gold Wiki or you just want to have fun, all are invited to participate.


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User category proposed deletion

You may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 21#Category:Wikipedians who know where their towel is. It is proposed to delete this category. SpinningSpark 16:23, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

apparent death

User:Davidkevin confirmed here my guess that he is David K. M. Klaus, who according to today's Ansible (magazine) died July 27. —Tamfang (talk) 19:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

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