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| == Moved from article for proper discussion == | |||
| To avoid any edit warring, I have moved some rather contentious edits here for the purpose of discussion: | |||
| == ]: some heterosexual men like girls between 10 to 16 years == | |||
| why is the term pederasty only for men/boy relationships ? also some men look for adolescent girls between 10 and 16 (]) Why is so the term ] not also part of the term pederasty ? ] (]) 09:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I do not know why, but the standard usage is restricted to males, historically as well as by definition. "Why" is an interesting question. Is it related to homophobia, is it designed to conflate the love of girls with the love of women, or is it simply not a distinction that lovers of women thought of making? ] (]) 12:47, 8 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| {{notaforum}} ] (]) 20:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::Good point, thank you. ] (]) 01:41, 9 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :Interesting, yes, and relevant to a proper understanding of the subject which is bedevilled by the limitations and interpretations imposed upon the terminology. May I throw in this proposition: some 'heterosexual' men like boys between 10 and 16, i.e. they are (not uncommonly) heterosexual with adults, but attracted to adolescent boys even if they do not express this attraction sexually (possibly for legal reasons, or inhibition, or sublimation). Historically, the sexually versatile male is clearly identifiable: he was not restricted by definitions or identity in the same way as his modern counterpart who is expected to 'fit' a type or 'psychological profile', and as a result can suffer unnecessary conflict and self-doubt, occasionally assuaged by the convenient label, ''bisexual''. The article itself is also bedevilled and indeed (more recently) vitiated by those who seek to impose personal views and prejudices (from the 21st century) on a subject of wide application through the ages. The historical view is of course essentially amoral and non-manipulatory, and ''ipso facto'' sometimes challenging and uncomfortable, and not at all respectful of conventions. ] (]) 23:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit questions == | |||
| I undid your (Jack-A-Roe) edits and added citation tags. There is no need to wholesale remove stuff, you can ask and wait for citations. If it doesn't happen then you can remove it. Likewise, in many edits you have done the same, why is that same edits warrant wholesale removal? | |||
| As for the link, it has historical documentary info. What is compelling to remove it? If you don't want to get to the main page for advocacy we can link to the history. ] (]) 18:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :According to ]: ''The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material.'' If you want the information to stay in the article, you must provide references to support the information and its relationship to the topic of pederasty. | |||
| :The unsourced information has been in the article for years. There have been many discussions on this page indicating lack of sources, so people who are interested in finding the sources for that material have had plenty of chance to do so. If you think the information can be sourced, why don't you ]? | |||
| :Some of the information that was removed links to other articles, stating that they are part of the so-called pederastic tradition, for example ] and ]es - but neither of those articles even mentions the term, or describes any aspect of the practice. Therefore those statements are not only unreferenced in this article, they are not supported by the content of the other articles. Unless a reference is found, that information can't be used. | |||
| :Some of the information was removed because it is simply off-topic. For example, military sexual violation of children and child prostitution are not part of pederasty as described in this article, those topics are unrelated to any sort of mutual relationship between the participants that is the basis the article. | |||
| :The external link to androphile.org was removed because that website is self-published, ad-supported, does not reveal the names of the authors of the material, and does not state any of its references. You yourself have removed extensive numbers of external links, often without any explanation at all other than that there were "too many" for your taste. In this case, unlike those many that you have removed, there is a solid list of specific reasons that link can't be used. --] (]) 19:31, 14 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: Oh look, yet again we're in revert/rinse/repeat mode here. And again, I restate my clarion call: Why don't we start fresh, and build up this article a little at a time, based on consensus-only edits? We've certainly got a critical mass of involved editors here now. Supports/opposes? Clear concise explanations for why this is a bad idea? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? - <font color="black">]</font> 06:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I strongly support your proposed method. But I should note that my time availability will be unpredictable over the next few months so I don't want to give the impression I can put in a lot of time on it. I would be willing to keep it watchlisted and help when I can. Aside from how much I can do, on a procedural basis, I think your idea to rebuild the article more directly based on sources, with step-by-step consensus would be an excellent approach. --] (]) 08:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Support. ] (]) 11:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Oppose. ] (]) 00:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: I don't see the need for this, and what's more, I see far more eagerness to remove material from the article than to build it up. I worry that if we went down to a stub, we'd stay there forever. ] (]) 02:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: I do understand why you'd have formed that opinion, and can only offer my best intentions. I'm open to hearing proposals that provide checks and balances... Some form of sunset clause, for example, where if the article doesn't come up to scratch after xx weeks following "reset" then it goes back to today's version? Just throwing out ideas here...<br/><font color="black">]</font> 06:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Request for verification of source == | |||
| The following sentence does not seem supported by the reference, so I've removed it from the article and request verification of the source: | |||
| <blockquote>While most Greek men engaged in relations with both women and boys, exceptions to the rule were known, some avoiding relations with women, and others rejecting relations with boys.</blockquote> | |||
| <blockquote> J.K. Dover, '''Greek Homosexuality'', by Kenneth J. Dover; New York; Vintage Books, 1978. ISBN 0674362616</blockquote> | |||
| Google finds this excerpt about "pederasty" in the book: | |||
| <blockquote>...unwillingness to recognize behavioral disctinctions which were of great importance within that culture generates statements to the effect that 'homosexuality' ''tout court'' or 'pederasty' was forbidden by law in most Greek citites (Flaceliere, Marrou).</blockquote> | |||
| That appears not to support. Does anyone have a page number and quote from the book to show how it supports the text? --] (]) 02:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :I think this section demonstrates well a tendency among some of the editors here that I find very frustrating. The first quote that Jack-A-Roe has taken out is uncontroversial for anyone who has a basic knowledge of ancient Greek sexuality; if it appeared in a scholarly source, I'm not even sure it would require citation, because it's part of common knowledge about the topic. Since this is Misplaced Pages, there probably should be a citation, but this is hardly the kind of thing that needs to be removed from the article pending confirmation. | |||
| :Furthermore, it's not that surprising that the word "pederasty" isn't used that much in Dover's ''Greek Homosexuality", because he's using "homosexuality" in preference to "pederasty" (many classical scholars follow suit). Nevertheless, the Greeks themselves called it ''paiderasteia'', and nearly everything Dover talks about is applicable to this article. | |||
| :The second quote is not well cited, but again is a point commonly made. Again, I don't see the urgent need to remove the text from the article and take it to the talk page. I would urge the editor who made these removals to, in his own words, "do some research". I suppose it's easier to take things out than to try and build up the article. ] (]) 02:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Dictionary definition == | |||
| ::OK, let's simplify and just look at the facts. You state it is ''" uncontroversial for anyone who has a basic knowledge of ancient Greek sexuality"'' that... ''"most Greek men engaged in relations with both women and boys,"'' | |||
| The dictionary definition of pederasty is of the act and not confined to ancient cultures, I think that should be made clear even if the editors For this article which to keep the subject matter strictly to when the exact term has been used. ] (]) 03:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
| ::Since it is uncontroversial, there must be many easily located references that would support that text. Would you please provide one? With proper sourcing, I would remove my objection without delay. | |||
| == Only Ancient Greece and Rome? == | |||
| ::I don't question that many ancient Greeks engaged in homosexual behavior; but I wouldn't write that in Misplaced Pages without a reference, and the word "most" makes it a much stronger claim - especially when the supporting footnote says that it was illegal in "most cities". It's one thing to leave unsourced material when it does not state the opposite of the footnote, but when the reference and the text disagree, the text should be removed until it can be sourced. --] (]) 03:02, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I think it's not fair to only put these two examples I think from West Asia to Africa and the Americas because life expectancy was so low it was obvious at that time pederasty was happening and also to girls since they were married off as soon as their first menstrual cycle. So we just can't say it was a specific homosexual thing but rather common due to people dying at age 35 to 40 unlike now people can even age to 100. ] (]) 07:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| *Note that ] reverted the edit I brought here for discussion, with no edit summary or other explanation: . He's welcome to disagree, but a blanket revert with no discussion is not a helpful form of collaboration. --] (]) 03:10, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Summary of modern view in lead == | |||
| :::Please read the footnote (by which I assume you mean the second quote) more carefully. It does ''not'' state that homosexuality was illegal in most cities--it states that uninformed views about the nature of ancient Greek sexuality generate erroneous statements that homosexuality was illegal. There's no contradiction. | |||
| I think we should continue to summarize the "Modern view" section in the lead. {{u|Word0151}} either disagrees or thinks the summary should be changed somehow. Word, could you tell use more about your objections? Is there a way to rephrase rather than remove? ] (] / ]) 16:26, 7 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::As far as "easily located", this is a relative statement. For me, this requires a trip to the library, which is both time-consuming and inconvenient. May I ask why ''you'' aren't performing some of this research yourself? If you have a university library available, I suggest you get a copy of Dover's ''Greek Homosexuality''. ] (]) 03:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Varieties of English Pronunciation - British/Commonwealth vs American == | |||
| ::::The quoted statement does not include the word "erroneous". But granted, it's a partial statement and it's hard to tell from the fragment what it means. I am not arguing that the text is wrong, only that it is questionable at this time. If it's uncontroversial, it must be in more than just that one book. If only one book makes the statement and no others support it, that's getting into the realm of controversial. ] specifies that the ] is on the editor who ''adds or restores material'', and specifies inclusion of page numbers when citing from books, so I requested verification of the source.. --] (]) 03:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| I've lived in Britain all my life, and I've never heard it pronounced with an "iː" before, so I did some research. Credible sources on British English (as used) | |||
| :::::Again, this is a spot where knowledge of the subject helps; there's really no doubt about what the footnote means. Furthermore, if the "one book" that says something is Dover, that wouldn't fall into the realm of controversial; Dover is the standard work on ancient Greek homosexuality. (A web search can establish this last fact easily.) ] (]) 03:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| <ref> | |||
| ::::::Since the prior comment I've done some reading on this. I found that it's much more complex than the way it's stated in that sentence in the text, and that while Dover's work certainly occupies a central position, there are multiple interpretations and reviews of it and they don't all agree. I don't question that male same-sex relations were not unusual in ancient Greece or that they thought about those relations differently than in modern times; but for the qualifier "most", I've not yet found sources supporting that. If I had, I'd report them, I have nothing against the statement if it's accurate. But there is so much unsourced material in the dozen or so pederasty-related articles, it's necessary to start somewhere in making improvements. --] (]) 03:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| {{cite dictionary | |||
| :::"Most" is supportable, from Dover himself, and other sources. There are a few scholars, among them T.K.Hubbard and Giulia Sissa, who argue that the eromenos/erastes relationship was common only among the aristocracy. But this is a minority viewpoint (perhaps prominent that it's worth reporting in this article, and definitely should be mentioned in ]. ] (]) 04:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| | title = pederasty ''n.'' pronunciation | |||
| | dictionary = Oxford English Dictionary | |||
| | publisher = ] | |||
| | date = July 2023 | |||
| | url = https://www.oed.com/dictionary/pederasty_n?tab=pronunciation#32425229 | |||
| | doi = 10.1093/OED/2984366090 | |||
| | access-date = 2024-03-19}} | |||
| </ref> | |||
| <ref> | |||
| {{cite dictionary | |||
| | title = paederast | |||
| | dictionary = Cambridge Dictionary | |||
| | publisher = ] | |||
| | url = https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/paederast | |||
| | access-date = 2024-03-19}} | |||
| </ref> | |||
| suggest there doesn't seem to be much difference between our pronunciation and the American one, apart from maybe a minor stress difference. | |||
| The only source I can find that uses "piːdə-" is (anecdotally, a poor source for Commonwealth English), and even that doesn't use the IPA. | |||
| === Reprotected === | |||
| I've protected the article again. I'll continue to do so whenever I see the cycle of reversions starting over. - <font color="black">]</font> 03:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :That's fine, but just to be clear - I've made some edits, but none of them were reverts, and I had no intention to revert. --] (]) 03:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC) PS. Actually, for transparency, after reviewing my edits, I think I did one revert yesterday and discussed it on the talk page - regarding a different part of the article and with a different editor. Anyway, I don't have any problem with the protection; I concur with slowing the process on this article so we can work in a more collaborative way. --] (]) 04:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :(edit conflict) Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think you've made substantial edits to this article. Should you be the one to do the protection? (I am not questioning whether the article should be protected.) ] (]) 04:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :: That's a fair question. I'll give my round-a-bout answer, and if there is consensus here that I ''shouldn't'' be doing it I'll hand off to another administrator. | |||
| ::* I don't think there would be disagreement that they way we've been proceding has been slow and painful. I've proposed (as an editor) another way forward. | |||
| ::* Recently as an adminstrator, when I've seen (via my watchlist) sub-optimal editing w/o commensurate discussion, I've been protecting the article. I've not looked at what state the article is in when doing so. Use of +sysop rights to "win" content disputes is of course a ]. Now that I look, I see that I've locked the article in Haiduc's version... So I'm feeling somewhat safe that I've not done the wrong thing w.r.t. that. I've also chosen not to edit the article at all since I protected it, only using the talk page.{{fact}} | |||
| ::* I want the best thing for this article, as we all do. I believe that adminstrator attention is needed to get it. The advantage is that I'm ''here'', another mop will probably not give the love and attention to this article that it needs. | |||
| :: All that being said, I'm nothing if not open to input. Thank you Akhilleus for the opportunity to respond, now it's over to the crowd to decide. | |||
| ::<font color="black">]</font> 05:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::I didn't even know the article had been unprotected before it was reprotected, otherwise I would have readded the sentence about Wilde's short story which was deleted a week or more ago for unintelligable reasons. The problem is that we do not get ''useful'' discussion on this page, for the simple reason that some editors do not seem primarily interested in ''improving'' the article but in simply deleting whatever they can. If we could develop genuine debate about how sections on ancient Greece, the Renaissance etc should be properly presented, then we could come up with stable and probably well sourced, informative text. ] (]) 13:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Paul Barlow is absolutely right in his comment about "editors" here deleting whatever they possibly can delete. It is blindingly obvious that the purpose is not to inform but too obscure, and that the article is being gutted. These well intentioned editors have gone as far (if not here then in related articles) as to delete discussions of pederastic rape with the nonsensical rationalization that it "does not fit the definition." I cannot imagine a more blatant example of using the letter of the law to pervert the spirit of the law. The whole exercise has descended to the level of an orgy of know-nothing prissiness that serves only as en ego-prop for the editors that have hijacked Misplaced Pages for their own personal satisfaction. If they did this to any other topic they would be out on their ear by now. ] (]) 23:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Haiduc, I must complement you. Your turn of phrase ''" an orgy of know-nothing prissiness"'' is one of the funniest insults I've ever seen, congratulations! | |||
| (Note: I imagine this is where the error comes from, also uses the exact ). | |||
| However... leaving aside the contentious tone of your comment, and addressing the content, I don't understand what you mean by ''"delete discussions of pederastic rape with the nonsensical rationalization that it 'does not fit the definition.' "'' - according to the article, pederasty is a mutually affectionate relationship; or at least, mutually beneficial, in terms of status and mentorship. If that's the definition, then a military victor raping a boy is not "pederasty", it's just rape. Similarly, the purchase of the prostitution services of a youth is not "pederasty", it's just "child prostitution", or simply "prostitution", depending on the age of the prostitute. If "pederastic rape" is included in the definition of "pederasty", then the definition would need to be expanded beyond consensuality. Previously, you've indicated that's not your idea of the definition and that the mutual aspect is central. So, please clarify - what is the definition, as you see it? Thank you. --] (]) 02:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| The greek root παιδε is sometimes pronounced "piːdə" in the UK for words like "Paedophile" -- I can definitely see someone making a generalisation that, therefore, every word with that root must have a separate British pronunciation. | |||
| :Jack, that is sophistry. A topic includes elements which are antinominal to it. A discussion of marriage is incomplete without a look at domestic violence, even though that is certainly not part of the definition of the custom. Likewise, we would not exclude cases of domestic violence merely because they were in the context of cohabiting couples. So let's not use protestations of orthodoxy as a cover for the opinion-driven demolition of an article. ] (]) 15:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| Funnily enough, ] <ref>{{cite Q|Q211354}}</ref> I don't know. I don't think there's enough evidence to warrant a separation, but there could be something I'm ignoring/that I've missed. | |||
| == PoMo > CSA criticism == | |||
| {{reflist-talk}} ] (]) 21:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| We should be looking to remove the assertion that the CSA angle is supported by PoMo theories of power. Such theories (Foucault included) tend to subvert top-down approaches such as CSA. ]] 15:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
| == Message: Here is an better Improvement for the Pederasty Misplaced Pages Article and please accept and place my revised edits, and also a completely permanent total ban and prohibition using anti-LGBT, anti-Gay and pro-Homophobic edits based on gay men and LGBT relationships in general and is completely unrelated to homosexuality, especially for males == | |||
| == Pederasty Among Primitives == | |||
| i am sorry if i made any mistakes, please pardon my clumsiness and i did not try to disrupt anything okay, i was trying to help fix it to be more accurate and please do not ever use homosexuality and gay men and anything related to the LGBT community in this article and never ever use them because they are very inappropriate, repulsive, disgusting, and dangerously anti-LGBT, anti-Gay and pro-Homophobia and it is harmful to LGBT rights as a whole it will not be tolerated. END OF STORY AND DISCUSSION, NO BUTS ABOUT IT, NO MEANS NO OKAY. PPPEEERRRIIIOOODDD!!!, also here is the improved good version if you would allow it and place it in the article please, thank you and good luck. | |||
| {{Short description|Behaviors involving male adult-minor relations}} | |||
| {{Use dmy dates|date=July 2022}} | |||
| ] made during the ]. 480 BCE]] | |||
| '''Pederasty''' or '''paederasty''' ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|p|ɛ|d|ər|æ|s|t|i}}) is a practice that involves both an adult ] and a young ] engaging in any form of ]. It was socially acknowledged as a historical concept and construct of cultural practices that were done in many civilizations and societies during the ] between ] and ] within the ], and elsewhere in the world, such as the ]. | |||
| For the references section. The correct link should be: | |||
| In most countries today in many parts of the world. Various laws based on the ] in a local or nationwide level gets to determine if the person is considered legally and lawfully competent and capable to have consented to any sex acts to the other person without any harmful contact in order to classify it on whether or not it is constituted as a ] involving ] or ]. An ] engaging in sexual activity with a ] is considered an act that is ] a very offensive and abusive thing to do by the authorities and society in general for a wide variety of reasons, including the age of the minor and also the psychologically and physically harmful effects they have endued as well as also gravely affecting their mental health and wellbeing. | |||
| http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2086628 ]] 15:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| :Your header is inappropriate. Please change it to something neutral. | |||
| :Please break your edit down into individual changes rather than expecting us to compare the existing text and your proposed text line by line to look for changes. Some of what I have noticed immediately is that your proposed text has introduced many grammatical errors, and it has removed a sourced section. ] (]) 18:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :And discussing a contested edit does not mean that you post your version to the talk page and then restore it before anyone has time to comment. ] (]) 18:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::OP blocked one month. ] (]) 21:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Dictionary definition
The dictionary definition of pederasty is of the act and not confined to ancient cultures, I think that should be made clear even if the editors For this article which to keep the subject matter strictly to when the exact term has been used. Dakinijones (talk) 03:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
Only Ancient Greece and Rome?
I think it's not fair to only put these two examples I think from West Asia to Africa and the Americas because life expectancy was so low it was obvious at that time pederasty was happening and also to girls since they were married off as soon as their first menstrual cycle. So we just can't say it was a specific homosexual thing but rather common due to people dying at age 35 to 40 unlike now people can even age to 100. Nlivataye (talk) 07:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
Summary of modern view in lead
I think we should continue to summarize the "Modern view" section in the lead. Word0151 either disagrees or thinks the summary should be changed somehow. Word, could you tell use more about your objections? Is there a way to rephrase rather than remove? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:26, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Varieties of English Pronunciation - British/Commonwealth vs American
I've lived in Britain all my life, and I've never heard it pronounced with an "iː" before, so I did some research. Credible sources on British English (as used) suggest there doesn't seem to be much difference between our pronunciation and the American one, apart from maybe a minor stress difference.
The only source I can find that uses "piːdə-" is an entry in Merriam-Webster's (anecdotally, a poor source for Commonwealth English), and even that doesn't use the IPA.
(Note: I imagine this is where the error comes from, the initial edit in 2009 also uses the exact same non-IPA respelling system).
The greek root παιδε is sometimes pronounced "piːdə" in the UK for words like "Paedophile" -- I can definitely see someone making a generalisation that, therefore, every word with that root must have a separate British pronunciation.
Funnily enough, other Wikiprojects (and Wiktionary) just list both as valid British pronunciations? I don't know. I don't think there's enough evidence to warrant a separation, but there could be something I'm ignoring/that I've missed.
References
- "pederasty n. pronunciation". Oxford English Dictionary. Oxford University Press. July 2023. doi:10.1093/OED/2984366090. Retrieved 19 March 2024.
- "paederast". Cambridge Dictionary. Cambridge University Press. Retrieved 19 March 2024.
- Pederasty, Wikidata Q211354
Titfortat-skag (talk) 21:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Message: Here is an better Improvement for the Pederasty Misplaced Pages Article and please accept and place my revised edits, and also a completely permanent total ban and prohibition using anti-LGBT, anti-Gay and pro-Homophobic edits based on gay men and LGBT relationships in general and is completely unrelated to homosexuality, especially for males
i am sorry if i made any mistakes, please pardon my clumsiness and i did not try to disrupt anything okay, i was trying to help fix it to be more accurate and please do not ever use homosexuality and gay men and anything related to the LGBT community in this article and never ever use them because they are very inappropriate, repulsive, disgusting, and dangerously anti-LGBT, anti-Gay and pro-Homophobia and it is harmful to LGBT rights as a whole it will not be tolerated. END OF STORY AND DISCUSSION, NO BUTS ABOUT IT, NO MEANS NO OKAY. PPPEEERRRIIIOOODDD!!!, also here is the improved good version if you would allow it and place it in the article please, thank you and good luck.
Behaviors involving male adult-minor relations
Pederasty or paederasty (/ˈpɛdəræsti/) is a practice that involves both an adult man and a young boy engaging in any form of sex acts. It was socially acknowledged as a historical concept and construct of cultural practices that were done in many civilizations and societies during the Classical antiquity between Ancient Greece and Rome within the Greco-Roman world, and elsewhere in the world, such as the Pre-Meiji era of Japan.
In most countries today in many parts of the world. Various laws based on the age of consent in a local or nationwide level gets to determine if the person is considered legally and lawfully competent and capable to have consented to any sex acts to the other person without any harmful contact in order to classify it on whether or not it is constituted as a sex crime involving child sexual abuse or statutory rape. An adult engaging in sexual activity with a minor is considered an act that is deemed a very offensive and abusive thing to do by the authorities and society in general for a wide variety of reasons, including the age of the minor and also the psychologically and physically harmful effects they have endued as well as also gravely affecting their mental health and wellbeing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.60.98 (talk) 09:54, 1 Nov 2024 (UTC)
- Your header is inappropriate. Please change it to something neutral.
- Please break your edit down into individual changes rather than expecting us to compare the existing text and your proposed text line by line to look for changes. Some of what I have noticed immediately is that your proposed text has introduced many grammatical errors, and it has removed a sourced section. Meters (talk) 18:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- And discussing a contested edit does not mean that you post your version to the talk page and then restore it before anyone has time to comment. Meters (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- OP blocked one month. Meters (talk) 21:37, 1 November 2024 (UTC)