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	Hi<br>Thanks for you work on the Paris Hilton article. In the future though, could you please try to use the ] button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made or any other changes you want to make, and prevents clogging up ] and the ].<br>Thanks & Cheers, <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps;">]<sup>]</sup></span> 12:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)		Hi<br>Thanks for you work on the Paris Hilton article. In the future though, could you please try to use the ] button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made or any other changes you want to make, and prevents clogging up ] and the ].<br>Thanks & Cheers, <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps;">]<sup>]</sup></span> 12:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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	== Guide to referencing ==
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	I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to ] your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can remove unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also ] to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started. If you need any assistance, let me know. -- ] (]) 03:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

	;<big>Good references</big>

	A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use ], such as published books, mainstream press, and authorised web sites. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is ] (e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research), or another wikipedia article.

	;<big>Inserting a reference</big>

	The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section (unless it already exists). This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:

	:<nowiki>==Notes and references==</nowiki>
	:<nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki>

	The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and ''after'' punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):

	:<nowiki><ref>             </ref></nowiki>

	Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.

	;<big>Test it out</big>

	Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:

	:<nowiki>==Reference test==</nowiki>

	:This is the text which you are going to verify with a reference.<nowiki><ref></nowiki>''Reference details go here''<nowiki></ref></nowiki>

	:<nowiki>==Notes and references==</nowiki>

	:<nowiki>{{reflist}}</nowiki>

	(End of text to copy and paste.)

	It should appear like this:

	:;Reference test

	:This is the text which you are going to verify with a reference.<ref>''Reference details go here''</ref>

	:;Notes and references

	:{{reflist}}

	;<big>Information to include</big>

	You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For an online newspaper source, it might look like this:

	:<nowiki><ref>Plunkett, John. , '']'', 2005-10-27. Retrieved on 2005-10-27.</ref></nowiki>

	When uploaded, it appears as:
	:Plunkett, John. , '']'', 2005-10-27. Retrieved on 2005-10-27.

	Note the single square brackets around the URL and the article title. The format is:
	:<nowiki></nowiki>
	Make sure there is a space between the URL and the Title. This code results in the URL being hidden and the title showing as a link. Use double apostrophes for the article title (it is quoted text), and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics). Double square brackets round the name of the paper create an internal link (a wikilink) to the relevant wikipedia article. Apostrophes must go outside the brackets.

	The date after ''The Guardian'' is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the in case the link goes dead.

	;<big>References not online</big>

	You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
	:<nowiki><ref>Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", '']'', 2005-10-27.</ref></nowiki>

	When uploaded, it appears as:
	:Plunkett, John. "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying", '']'', 2005-10-27.

	Here is an example for a book:

	:<nowiki><ref>Charmley, John (2006). ''The Princess and the Politicians'', p.60. Penguin Books Ltd., London. ISBN 0140289712.</ref></nowiki>

	When uploaded, it appears as:
	::Charmley, John (2006). ''The Princess and the Politicians''. Penguin Books Ltd., London. ISBN 0140289712.

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	;<big>Date format</big>

			== Black Sabbath external links ==
	These formats are all acceptable for dates:
	:2005-01-27
	:27 January 2007
	:January 27, 2007

			Hello. You recently added some external links to ] that I don't believe belong there. If you look at the ] under links to normally to be avoided it states "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid:
	;<big>Citation templates</big>
			Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." I am quite sure that there is nothing on either AllMusic or Rolling Stone magazine's biography of Sabbath that is not already on this page. I removed the links, with a brief explanation, then you undid my revision. I certainly don't want to get into an edit war, so if you disagree with my interpretation of the guideline please leave a message on my talk page. <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">](])</span> 02:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
			:Thank you <span style="font-family:Century Gothic;">](])</span> 02:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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	;<big>Alternative system</big>
	The above method is simple and combines references and notes into one section. A refinement is to put the full details of the references in their own section headed "References", while the notes which apply to them appear in a separate section headed "Notes". The notes can be inserted in the main article text in an abbreviated form as seen in or in a full form as in

			Thank you. <!-- Template:Di-orphaned fair use-notice --> ] (]) 05:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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	I thought this might be helpful to you when adding references to articles. ] (]) 03:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
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	== Guidelines vs. dogma ==
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	I'd like to point out to you that the Manual of Style is a '''''guideline''''' and not absolute dogma to be obeyed without thought or consideration of the circumstances. In particular, the dispay of images should be determined not by recourse to inflexible to rules, but by intelligent determination of the needs of the article, and the best presentation of the images. This thought has been put into the images in the ] article by a number of editors over time, and I think they would all appreciate it if you wouldn't disregard their work by removing image sizes. The ultimate consideration should be what is best for the article, and, most certainly, having a bunch of postage stamp sized images is not the best presentation of this material. Thanks. <b><i>]</i> <sub>] / ]</sub></b> 00:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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Paris Hilton

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Thanks for you work on the Paris Hilton article. In the future though, could you please try to use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made or any other changes you want to make, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history.
Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea 12:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you J04n(talk page) 02:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

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