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Moved from Talk:Joan's on Third/Comments

Here is what needs to be done to fix this article:

1. It reads like and advertisement, remove all peacock statements.
2. It relies to heavily on the company's web site, please add more reliable sources. Please see WP:PSTS for guidelines on providing proper citations.
3. The article needs to rewritten so that it is neutral. As it stands now, the article reads more as a review or a puff piece.

While some of the sources cited in the article do show it meets the standards of WP:Note and WP:V, the other factors heavily damage the article's standing. If these issue are not resolved by Friday, November 7, 2008 this article should be considered for deletion by AfD.

--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 14:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The issues have been fixed by the article's creator, ChildofMidnight. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 02:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

New Article

Please let me know if anyone has any concerns about this article. I hope to do some more on some of the best and most unique LA offerings. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion?

I have sourced several news stories to demonstrate notability and provide verifiability. The news coverage demonstrates that Joan's has become a major foodie insitution in Los Angeles. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

let's consider these policies: WP:NOTTRAVEL and Notability (restaurants) A ntv (talk) 07:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern. But Joan's is an LA landmark like Zabar's and Dean & DeLuca's in New York and like other food related articles on LA restaurants including Canter's Deli and Tommy's.

I provided quite a few references to establish notability, this isn't just any old restaurant. If you search on yahoo and google there are lots of articles about the company's catering, popularity with celebrities etc. etc. Seriously it's a major gourmet food store in LA, which would constitute original research, except I think I've supported it with references. I'm going to sleep, but I hope I'll have a chance to address any concerns tomorrow. Thank you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Just one other note, I haven't had a chance to chase down these article's yet, but if you go to http://www.joansonthird.com/press.htm you can see their quotes from stories in major media outlets across the country like the Wall Street Journal and New York Times Magazine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

"Expert" opinion

As one of the people who works predominantly on food service articles, this article sucks. Harsh I know, but while it meets WP:Note it violates WP:Not and WP:NPOV so badly I believe that it cannot be saved. I cleaned it up a little but it needs major work. I will give it until Friday to remove the weasel words and peacock statements, copy edit out the ad-speak and find more citations that meet WP:RS or I will put it up for an AfD.

I ask that the primary author please read up on all of the policies I listed and get cracking, time is wasting and this article will be deleted with extreme prejudice very shortly by some one who is not as forgiving if it is not fixed in a timely manner. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 08:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Thank you for the opportunity to fix it and the time you've taken to edit. I appreciate it and I will follow through. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

• Uh, speedy deletion was declined, so if anyone wants to delete it now, they will have to use PROD or AfD, either of which takes 5 days from the time of nomination, so you can safely ignore the bogus deadline set by Jeremy. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Who said it was bogus? If it is not fixed by Friday, an AfD will be proposed by me - as stated. I doubt it will be needed as he is working diligently to fix it. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 07:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• I say it's bogus. Anyone can nominate anything for deletion whenever they want. Who are you to impose deadlines and try to boss around new users? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I am not trying to boss around new users, just light a fire under him. It doesn't matter as he has done a good job in cleaning it up. I do ask that he take some time and clean up the citations, as they are a mess, and expand the lead section. I copy edited the article a bit today to remove the last of the peacock statements and organize it a little better. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 17:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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