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{{notice|Hello fellow Wikipedians, due to changed circumstances in my private and professional life I am currently hovering somewhere in between "busy in real life and may not respond quickly to inquiries" and "semi-retired". I'll probably be around from time to time, but please don't rely on me for quick admin action or the like, for the time being. All the best, – ] ] 05:27, 19 October 2017 (UTC) }}
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== Invitation to participate in a research ==
== Vandalism on the Hunnic language article ==


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Dear Future Perfect Adminstitrator!


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I want report to you a vandalism, in this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/Hunnic_language


You do not have to be an Administrator to participate.
A guy named, ] always delete a board. In that board, there are the similar words of the Hun language to the Turkish and to Hungarian with English translation. It's there long time ago. But he always delete it. I put again. I also put a new source there. But he is following the vandalism again, and again. I ask your help.


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hey. since you know about peculiar language things, what the bloody duck is that ?] (]) 22:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Ohmigod ohmigod ohmigod. The article title translates as "Ancient Macedonian alphabet". It's that pseudo-"decipherment" of the Demotic Egyptian part of the ] as "ancient"(!) "Macedonian" (i.e. Slavic). I knew that idea was being peddled by a lot of nationalist idiots over there, but to make an actual article out of it presenting it as fact, and then even calling it a "featured article", is a bit thick. Apparently the main culprit is ].
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:I can't read the text, but it doesn't look like it's admitting any doubt about the validity of this "alphabet". This certainly is the biggest pile of bullshit I've seen on Misplaced Pages in a while. Unfortunately I have little or no influence on what they do over at mk. ] ] 23:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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::lolol I am Greek! I had heard about that! Now they deciphered it 100%? Awww such brilliant scientists. My hat off to them. Where is that ] kid to watch and learn? oh and a featured article? But of course.. pshh of course Anc.Macedonian is Slavic silly, why else would they be called Macedonians in the first place? and don't diss them because you are jealous you didn't decipher this Ancient and Magic and Pure and Great language before them..] (]) 23:44, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
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::I saw your comment here, but I'd have a really long (and sarcastic) burst on it and I can't really afford it right now. I can only say the article is full of really strange stuff. Watching MacedonianBoy create it and I'd normally be amazed only if I didn't know him. According to the article this alphabet is somewhat similar to the one used in present-day Republic of Macedonia with the ] (also the "Second Macedonian alphabet" as named in the article) is the stage between the two. It comes out only the second passage from the stone was written in Macedonian cause it was the Pharaoh's one (?) who evidently was one of them. Does this by any chance have something to do with the Macedonian (Northern, Slavic or whatever) name of Cleopatra constantly being added to the en.article?--'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 00:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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::: Could you check if the article text also qualifies as a copyvio? It's certainly following the structure of its (sole) source quite closely. ] ] 08:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::The structure is exactly the same, although the words seem to differ somewhat. It has the same meaning as the source sometimes with the exact words. I was thinking about the images which MacedonianBoy claims to be self-made. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 09:58, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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Your debate about the content of an article written on a language you dont comprehend is very interesting, that is prettymuch like debating over ] ] a procedure that can examine the ] and ] of the iterlocutor.
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On a side note the article does not link the Ancient Macedonian language with the Slavic Languages, does not state that the Ancient Macedonian language is similar to the present day ]. The content of the article is very similar to the ] article ] (]) 09:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
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:lol, of course it doesn't, still figuring out the first steps, how to distance ancient Macedonian from Greek. And when (at least in your minds) enough "space" is created you can proceed by building your new cultural affiliations on "better" foundations. After all you are called Macedonians, what's more natural ? A disadvantage trying to enrich your nationalistic culture, not being Greek. Greek nationalists only need to over-focus on historical facts, cause they have the best piece of land and language to play with, you must construct or "find" something entirely new. :p --] (]) 14:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

BTW, why is it that when I look at the image they use of their script, ], I seem to read the word "false"? ] ] 19:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::My live Lords. --<font size="1">'''] <sup><font size="1">]</font></sup>'''</font> 19:12, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Holy ]. What one can find in the dark recesses of Balkanopedia. This definitely beats the Albano-Pelasgian heritage of Piro and Akili over at sq.wiki. ] (]) 22:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::Hello to you my friend ] :)--<font size="1">'''] <sup><font size="1">]</font></sup>'''</font> 22:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

:ok this is getting funnier and funnier! I found google.translate and you can translate Makedonski.. through Serbian or Bulgarian... What a pleasant coincidence that those languages are so close eh? (i don't know about the people). check it out, although it's not great translation, you can usually get the subject. Apparently in that pic it means that the ancient Egyptians, who were (as were Greeks of course xD) conquered by the Ancient comrades of the Great Makedoncis referred to Makedoncis as "our Masters". I can OR and say this came naturally to the Ancient Egyptian people in the sight of the superiority of the Great Nation of Makedoncis; as ] was really a ] and that technology stroke fear in the heart of the barbarians. oh btw you must by now know that all the Slavic languages come from ancient Macedonski. ask any Macedonci user. moreover according to safe sources , Greek has a relation to Macedonski although it is a still basically a sub-saharan dialect; and Ancient Makedonski have roots to Ancient Sanskrit (not Sanskrit, ancient Sanskrit.. we are talking about ancient ancientness here, serious business). i wish i had more time to find more like these xD. if you browse through mk.wiki there are plenty diamonds like these.. and i propose since such articles are featured in another language, the English wiki can gain quality in the relevant articles by using material from there. translators like MacedonianBoy are most welcome.] (]) 23:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::You are welcome. Come and search. For example, we have put the Greek names of the towns in Aegean Macedonia, but to put Macedonian names for the cities on the GR Wiki isnt possible. What is pitty here? --<font size="1">'''] <sup><font size="1">]</font></sup>'''</font> 23:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::But yet you do not allow the Greek name of emperor ] to be added to the article. Is this because he was actually an ethnic Macedonian? --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 23:19, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Who did not let you to edit it? Me or someone else? Check first and then blame.--<font size="1">'''] <sup><font size="1">]</font></sup>'''</font> 23:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're getting way off-topic but since you argue - it was you you that removed it in the first place. Your bro just reverted me ;)--'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 00:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::BTW If you mean about article, it is translated from English (your translator doesnt work). In the article about the alphabet, there is no such data. Sorry, but you must imagine different things.--<font size="1">'''] <sup><font size="1">]</font></sup>'''</font> 23:18, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
:::if i'm wrong or sound offensive, i apologize. but you really can't see why me (a mere simpleton) ''and'' most of the educated/scholar world laughs at all nonsense? you have so many ''completely'' different approaches towards what makes you Macedonian that it's a joke by now. almost every other Slavmacedonian i meet has a different one. a completely different story about him and his ancestors. if you had half the intelligence so to make a common story to sell, you would still have some decency. but you leave noone a chance about what to think of your cause (that is monopolizing the name Macedonia). even when you are a new, small, poor nation which means we feel for you, you leave us no space, i've seen the most liberal leftists, hippies, anarchists, non-Greeks, Slavs, Bulgarians even Slavmacedonians ''currently living'' in SlavoMacedonia to disapprove your cause, and in my opinion this is way far from coincidental.] (]) 09:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

...a must-see: presenting the most hilarious contradiction that ever came out of ]..(second is the Basil II and Samuel being ethnic Macedonci thing/ but coincidentally written in history as ]: Byzantine Bulgar-killer and ]: of Bulgaria who lost bloodbathed battles against Basil). reading the scientific report about the Decipherment of Ancient Makedonski (the middle text on Rosetta Stone as those bright minds say) i saw the scientist from Slavomacedonia say: "The Ancient macedonian language is most similar to the language of the Pelagonia region, that of the Bitola-Lerin dialect.
- We were stunned at how much has remained in the modern Macedonian language, even in the gramatical sense. The nouns had the plurals "leto-leti", "gospodar-gospodari". so, since they were stunned about the relation to the ancient one relating so closely to ''Bitola-Lerin dialect'' where they also stunned that the exact same happens and translates ''exactly'' the same in ''common modern Serbian''? xD. so do the Serbs claim Macedonian ancestry? since they have common words with the language that ancient Macedonians have? pretty much as many as Slavomacedonians do. yea i know the convenient Makedonci answer: "the Slavs stole our language" and "Slavic languages derive from Ancient Makedonski". yes. i swear these are real answers i have been given. ] (]) 10:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::The plural of "leto" is "leta" not "leti". And "Macedonian" is much closer to Bulgarian than to Serbian. "Macedonian is a Bulgarian language written on a Serbian typewriter" - Venko Markovski, one of the committee that created the "Macedonian alphabet". The official protocols of this committee were written with a Bulgarian typewriter, though, and the newly invented letters were added by hand.

::Take it from the good side. I am very thankful to Macedonian Boy and the other Macedonian Bulgarians for the hearty laugh. It made my day and even inspired me to write a poem to one of the authors of these materials, Biljana Stavrovska:

Билjaно моме убава,<p>од Охридското езеро,<p>оди си платно да белиш,<p>jазички циркови да не стораш.<p>

The geography of Egypt has just been beautified with the peak Macedonism. --] (]) 12:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

:MB gets my vote for the ] Award for 2008.--] (]) 19:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:: And for interwiki collaboration of the year too. '''''' another featured article. I can not speak Slovak but I think there are some other familiar crapola crawled into there too; "Gréci a macedónski (linking to the FY/ROM) Slovania, ktorí Alexandra považujú za národného hrdinu..." --] (]) 19:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Barnstar used as personal attack ==

Hello, {{BASEPAGENAME}}. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. {{#if:|The discussion is about the topic ].}} <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. I don't know if you wish to comment on this, but I thought you ought to know. Regards, ] (]) 19:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== John Hunyadi, my answer ==

Greetings. You missed the sources, references in my editing. All right, now I put two important references, to John Hunyadi article. Is it better? I hope: yes.

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== AfD nomination of Exodus of Ethnic Macedonians from Greece ==

]An article that you have been involved in editing, ], has been listed for ]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Adw --> ] (]) 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::Hi Fut Perf. what are your opinions on the deca begalci? What do you have to say? ] (]) 20:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== re ==

em, i see i was blocked because of 3rr. what's the problem now? the fact that i put italy to the rom list? ] (]) 23:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Questiоn ==

Since you are an editor involved in many relevant articles, I would like to make a question: Since ] it is clearly stated that ''Prior discussion has determined that the name Republic of Macedonia will be used in this article'', why in a great number of other articles the ''Republic of'' is missing? If the main article of this country is entitled such, shouldn't the rest of the articles use the same phrase? Giving the fact of the naming dispute, the term "Republic of Macedonia" was approved by the Misplaced Pages community in order to serve as the ''golden rule'' between editors from Greece and FYROM. Δεν καταστρατηγείται αυτός ο συμβιβασμός όταν αυτή η χώρα ονομάζεται απλά "Μακεδονία" σε άλλα άρθρα; --] (]) 11:12, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Examples? I haven't got much time right now for promoting my usual anti-Greek propaganda, I'm too busy promoting anti-FYROM propaganda on mk-wiki, so please make it brief. ] ] 11:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::] template (which does not even mention "FYROM" (only a link for the dispute as a note); ] also (and all the relevant)-should be in the form "Republic of Macedonia presidential election, 2004"); ], ] (the parenthesis), ], ]. I have also named titles of articles, not content. Many more articles use simply "Macedonia" in their text. All these in contrary to the accepted solution reached in Misplaced Pages.
::I have noticed your involment in mk-wiki. I would call it "anti-historical-linguistic violation" propaganda (since it concerns the Rozetta Stone's Slavic text. LOL!) Keep it up. Regards. --] (]) 11:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Also ]. Thumb up from me for you stand against the Macedonistic falsifications in linguistics. --] (]) 12:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::: Templates were discussed separately at some point at ]. About the election article, adjectival usage of "Macedonian" is no problem where no ambiguity exists; since none of the other Macedonias has presidents or parliaments to elect, an election article is one of those contexts. I think those cases were also specifically discussed at some point, on the ]. Generally, when it comes to article titles, I personally favour elegance and brevity over political correctness. Article titles don't need to be maximally unambiguous at all costs. ] ] 12:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::So, you suggest that when something is ''one of a kind'' should be named such? (referring to "parliamentary elections"). Would an article entitled "Macedonian prefectural elections" stand like that? FYROM has no prefectures. Greek Macedonia does. No fear of confussion. Also, ] is used exclusively in reference to the Greeks; why the article is titled ]? How about the ]? You did not comment on that. Also, concerning the templates, a solution agreed for naming the main article, shouldn't be taken into account when editting a template. If editors apply different rules for every article, we lead the project to anarchy. --] (]) 12:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::: Not sure why I would want to spend my time discussing hypothetical scenarios with you when most of these cases have been discussed and settled long ago. Last time I tried discussing stuff with you, you weren't very perceptive. - The "Greek Struggle for Macedonia" is a problematic title for a number of reasons, but not because of its handling of ambiguity. ] ] 13:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Last time you tried to discuss with me, it was for another reason. Let aside the hypothetical scenarios. My question is simple and clear: should we use the accepted solution reached long ago when referring to ] country? If yes, we should replace the word "Macedonia" in every article with reference to FYROM with the term "Republic of Macedonia" and rename articles such as ]. If no, perhaps we should discuss again for a naming solution in Misplaced Pages, since the one reached long ago isn't respected. --] (]) 15:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Are you really getting a block ==

Sorry, but I couldn't help it - you got the official status of , that they will and that you're gonna be blocked? Hmm, and no need bothering about any wikirules there. The only ones that follow them there do it because they feel that way. Most of the others are free to do whatever they like (including Admins). You know my opinion on the matter. A big LOL though. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 17:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:You missed some continuation :-) ] ] 18:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::Why? What else did they say to you Future? ] (]) 22:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::No, you won't get a block. Please consider, the whole thing is just a misunderstanding. Some of the users involved over at mk.wiki are inexperienced in wiki policies, have a bad temper and a hard time assuming good faith. It's hard to run a project with barely 20 active users, and things get out of hand most of the time. But I'm asking you, please, have faith. Things can and will get better, but it won't happen over night. It will be a hard and continuous process and I promise you that there are users who won't let this project derail. I'm one of them. Future Perfect, I apologize on the behalf of the mk.wiki community for any discomfort. I acknowledge you that your help is very appreciated and I am asking you to continue your collaboration with us. The whole block/"Greek propaganda marionette" was unnecessary and out of place and I will do my best to prevent such outbursts in the future. I hope that you will understand. Laveol, thank you so much for your sincere concern, lol. I, for one, am not "free to do whatever like" and I will do my best to prevent other Wikipedians from doing so. "The only ones that follow them there do it because they feel that way." — could you please elaborate on this though? Thank you, ] (]) 03:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

::::He probably means they rejected his proposal to rename it "Western Bulgarian Misplaced Pages". ;D ''']]''' 04:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::Ha, ha, ha, not even funny anymore. Actually I meant only a few users actually adhere to wikipolicies (You, Brainmachine, are one of them as well as BF). My opinion is such cause some time ago I made an edit with my IP and got an immediate indef block from a former (I think) admin on mkwiki (who btw one his turn is indef blocked on en.wiki although I get the impression he had or still has some socks operating here). I've given up on trying to discuss anything there cause every time I get the same. I have to discuss it 3-4 days before I make a single edit and avoid being yelled at or simply reverted with no explanation. The fact that you don't like another editor should not determine your attitude towards him. And all wikirules rules still apply on every wikipedia. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 14:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
It certainly looks as if many participants over at mk-wiki consider it "their" national wiki, where they expect to be given free reign to have their Macedonian national POV monopolise the articles, and that they perceive of all "intrusion" from people with other national viewpoints as blockable disruption. It is also quite clear that some admins do not hesitate to abuse their admin powers to protect their home POV. Quickly browsing through the mk-wiki block log, I see frequent block reasons of "anti-Macedonian propaganda", but not a single case where the home contributors have been sanctioned for hostile POV-driven edit-warring against those non-Macedonian newbs. I see blocks of up to a year(!) for anon IPs after a single short series of (apparently good-faith) edits, with no warnings. From the last few months alone, the following blocks seem at least worthy of some scrutiny:
*Li4kata (can't understand what the block notice is saying; no easily visible disruption preceding the block)
*anon 87.119.94.114 (marked "3RR", but no 3RR violation visible - does mk-wiki even have a 3RR? Clearly good-faith edits, POV-driven, some edit-warring, but behaviour of other side was no better)
*anon 88.67.85.125 (one-year(!) block for a single POV edit)
*anon 89.215.59.108 (1 year for "anti-macedonian propaganda", after a single series of good-faith though POV edits; limited edit-warring; hostile reverting from MacedonianBoy went unsanctioned)
*Подпоручикъ "antimacedonian propaganda"
I say this because I now see quite clearly that I myself would certainly have got the same treatment, if it hadn't been for my position as a high-profile en-wiki admin, which apparently has given me a perceived position of some kind of power. I have no doubt whatsoever that I'd otherwise be blocked by now.

This really has to change. ] ] 16:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:The same happened to me - with the same admin involved (who is still active as I see) --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 18:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm, it turns out I was blocked for spamming, which apparently includes adding a fact tag and trying to discuss it with the person that removed it. Mind you - my IP is floating so it's someone else that's actually blocked now. --'''] <sup>]</sup>''' 18:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi I quite liked the cartoon that the other guy put there - it's a difficult subject and as I understand the purpose of Misplaced Pages is to make all human knowledge accessible to everyone and suchlike good things, and I do think cartoons and appealing images can make it more digestible (cont. p 94). Is there any way of contacting the publishers and allowing the image? Best ] (]) 13:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Sure, I liked the cartoon too. The problem is only, we have very strict rules about copyright here, and one of our (self-imposed) principles is we accept such images only if there is permission not just for us to use them here in this article, but also for everybody else to re-use it outside wikipedia for any purpose. That permission will be difficult to get for a commercial syndicated cartoon, I'm afraid.
: Perhaps you can just render the thing in words. Like:
::''"Like with other pragmatic effects, failure to respond appropriately to scalar implicatures can be a source of comic effects. Linguist Mark Lieberman, in a discussion of implicatures, pointed to the example of a "Zits" comic strip, in which a boy first asks his mother to lend him ten dollars, then, when she refuses, goes on to ask for twenty instead. The comic effect is that the boy refuses to notice that the refusal to his first request already carries the refusal of the second as a scalar implicature."''
: ] ] 14:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Quеstion ==

All images in the next articles are ]. Macedonia appears to use the
{PD-old-70} rule, and there do not appear to be any other catches. How about all the images in the topics bellow?
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Regards. ] (]) 09:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== ] ==

Can you look at the ] and editors who have been disruptively blanking properly cited info and altering information without consensus nor discussion such as {{User|Sennen goroshi}}, and {{User|Amazonfire}} did? The latter returns after his 8 months break and his block by you Amazonfire was suspected as somebody's sock per his meatpuppeting to block evading users like Azukimonaka or others. I think he is a sleeper sock in light of his behaviors, and timing. Please take a look at his behaviors. Thanks.--] 14:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== The map ] ==

It was removed several times of the article ] from unknown IP sock. ] (])

:Thanks for watching. Apparently a sock of ]. Has been making a nuisance of himself lately. ] ] 16:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== I will never get it right... ==

Is this ] in the public domain? It has been inserted in the ] page along with text that was actually copied verbatim from the sources. I like the photo a lot, but I am a bit confused. Can it be used under the terms described? If yes can I also use pictures of original texts whose copyright (I mean the text's) has expired?--] (]) 11:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:Do you have better pictures? I'd really like to read the some of the Aromanian. ''']]''' 12:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, scanned pages from out-of-copyright books are generally fair game. Just like the many historic maps from old books we use. In what circumstances a scanned image of a ''text'' (rather than a simple quotation) makes sense as encyclopedic information is a different issue, but legally it should be no problem. ] ] 12:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks! I 'll see then if I can find any edition of old musical scores. I plan to insert them in the motet articles!--] (]) 12:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::: For Dufay there probably won't be much. The oldest reliable full edition (''CMM'' Vol. 1, by Besseler) is from the 60s, I have no idea what older ones exist and how good they are. Might be better to re-set any example excerpts we need, as I did the other day with the Josquin bits. Sorry I still didn't find time to spend an hour or two at the music library. ] ] 13:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:Ι was under the impression that the first CMM edition was older and could be therefore used... I still owe you the Leontaritis samples and I am looking forward to working with you on the french-cypriot repertoire. I' ll check if Gallica has any relevant material--] (]) 13:23, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

::Leontaritis sent. Enjoy--] (]) 15:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
::: Thanks! Nice stuff! ] ] 19:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Question ==

FPaS - I need your assistance/opinion on an issue that has come up. There is an anonymous user (IP from Ireland) who is making edits to ], ], and ] whereby the user is claiming that the name is "Ireland" and not "Republic of Ireland". The wikilink clearly goes to the article for ] and I am attempting to ensure that it stays this way, however, the user continues to revert my reversions and insist on the name being "Ireland" and not "Republic of Ireland". Can you assist in this issue and clear it up by either letting me know that this user's edits are correct (and I will no longer revert) or correct this user in stopping the actions that he/she is doing? Thank you. ] (]) 13:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

:I must say I have no strong opinion on this case, nor do I know what the relevant consensus among editors active in the field is. I can just about imagine some of the ideological pitfalls in making the "wrong" naming decisions here. Personally, I can't find much wrong with using the short form, in a context that is clearly a list of countries, not of some other geographical units. The Republic is usually referred to in normal spoken English as just "Ireland" after all, isn't it? ] ] 14:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks for the feedback. I modified it - hopefully the user will be happy with that. ] (]) 19:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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...for your trenchant comments in ]. I always believed that people can disagree without being disagreeable, and I am glad that you are bringing thoughtful ideas and observations to this conversation. I am enjoying your input immensely, and I wanted to express my gratitude that you are taking the time to address this issue. Be well. ] (]) 16:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
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: Thanks, but I guess it's enough to get them reverted promptly – if they then start revert-warring it back in, there should be enough admin eyeballs on that page to push the block button eventually, right? It doesn't have to be always me. That person is a pest (I suppose you're familiar with their ]?), thanks for helping deal with them. ] ] 23:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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:LOL. Nice one. I had only heard of that other one "Περι εξωπετάξεως όπλου γκρά" where the culprit turns out to be a "καραπουτανάρα που δε συμμαζεύεται" (that one seems to circulate in various variations). But the "eorakamen" is better, especially because of the anakolouthon in the second sentence. :-) ] ] 18:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


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:::Sorry to barge in like that but the verb comes actually from σελαγίζειν which means to shine like a flame, to flicker cf. σέλας. What is meant is that the the moon was shining--] (]) 19:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


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You justly remarked that, but I clearly doupt that Ioannis knew that when he wrote it and I believe he ment to use ''σαλαγω''
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It is not proven that the Pomaks are Bulgarian Muslims so the article should not be neither merged with ], nor redirected to it. Think only about the Armenian Paulicians settled in Bulgaria and converted to Islam. Are they Bulgarian too? Since when troublesome articles get deleted or redirected without consensus? If you can't help solving the problem, then do not delete! This is stupid. --] (]) 18:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
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:I think you've misunderstood his intentions - see the talkpage of the ] article. It should be deleted cause it's a copyvio. I for one support the merged article to bear the name Pomaks.
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If I come across one of their additions to RSN would it be helpful if I pinged you? -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 20:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

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