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| Hi. I have opened this case. ]''' » ]] 23:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | Hi. I have opened this case. ]''' » ]] 23:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
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| I've collapsed the above, since Roux had a different style of mediation than mine. However, his ground rules are quite good so I suggest you sign it anyway. That said, I do not reserve the right and will not edit other folks' comments (esp. since I'm moving this to talk) ] (]) 16:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| *I have a question before signing my name and proceeding the meditation. The reason for the meditation is still |
*I have a question before signing my name and proceeding the meditation. The reason for the meditation is still very obscure to me and is not stated by {{User|Bukubku}} so far. Clearly, the process is initiated by Durova, not Bukubku. Bukubku has refused to address his concern for alleged unreferenced "racist contents" to the pertinent talk page. Nobody at ] agreed with the stance of Bukubku that I inserted "racist contents". After I opened a discussion and provided in-line sources, the user was very quite for 5 days unlike his demand. Since I provided inline sources that Bukubku demanded, he did not reject any of my sources. So what else should we have to do for the article? Tell me, Bukubku.--] 19:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | ||
| :Caspian, I'm sorry. Now I'm busy. Rough guy appeared the page Woo Jang-choon, so discuss about your source here with third person.--] (]) 05:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::You must be kidding. The meditation is what you have wanted, and you have accused me of rejecting your offer for meditation to ANI and everywhere. And this is open by Durova, not you. You did not even say anything about "what we should do with the meditation". I've waited your answer for over 10 days. There is no 3rd person because none knows what we do as long as you don't say. Do not make me waste my time waiting for you further. You did not even say your claim at the talk page of ] unlike me. You were very busy to falsely accuse me to ANI to look me bad (and nobody agreed you), and you've been busy for over 10 days? If you do not say anything here, you're clearly gaming rule and you're the one who has rejected this Meditation. I would state this meditation would not be proceeded because of your constant refusal to clarify your position.--] 16:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :*Whether or not you have signed on to the case yet, I require that anyone here address their comments to ''me'' and not to other users, as well as being ] at all times. I will ask Durova to come and expand on the nature of the dispute. ]''' » ]] 20:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ← May I ask what position needs to be clarified? I'm still a little new to this dispute :-) ] (]) 17:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :My reply is there.(])--] (]) 14:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::Okay, then please remove all the personal attacks and incivility. I'm here to help calm this situation down and get you two talking to each other. Saying things like "to defame me with various dishonest allegation"--'''even if it is true''' (which I am not making a judgement on)---doesn't help us work out whatever issue is going on between the two of you. ]''' » ]] 20:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::No, saying "that truth" is not personal attacks nor incivility. The only reason that I consider to proceed the meditation is to prove my integrity seriously flaunted by Bukubku so far. Bukubku should present his reason for what he wants from the meditation after the sources that he wants are presented. I have a chance to look at some of meditation cases, but your removal is totally uncalled.--] 21:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Okay, let me be a little more blunt: I will not tolerate personal attacks, '''even if they are true'''. They do not help. Is that clearer? ]''' » ]] 21:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Please '''do not make more drama''' on the question with your unilateral edit. This is a meditation page, not a battle ground.--] 21:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::I am not making more drama. I said I reserve the right to edit any comments that don't fit the ground rules. Now, let me be more blunt: you are attacking Bukubku by calling him a liar and saying his only purpose is to make you look bad. '''Whether that is true or not does not matter'''. Do you understand that? Please remove the attacks. '''They do not help the situation, even if they are true'''. ]''' » ]] 21:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Yes you are. As I said, the brief assessment about Bukubku's attacking me as "liar" and his dishonesty are proven at the talk page of Woo Jang-chon and others. I won't remove my question at all. As long as you're the meditator with the controlling attitude, I don't comply this meditation.--] 21:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Can you please explain to me how asking someone to '''be polite''' is creating drama? ]''' » ]] 21:47, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::First of all, your redaction with the false accusation is the first step to create unnecessary drama, I think. I'm really wondering what Bukubku wants from this meditation since he was very quite at my provided sources for 5 days. He did not revert my edit after I inserted the sources to the article. So up to his answer, I would decide whether I dive in this or not. Since you seem to be knowledgeable of MED procedures, if you simply had asked me to edit my question by myself instead of unilaterally removing it in the provocative way, I would rethink about formatting my question. However, this thread is unnecessarily getting expanded by far. You keep demanding me to remove my question as the provocative labeling. You do not realize that your way just makes me upset and that approach is not required politeness. --] 22:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::::Actually, look at your talk page. I asked you to remove your incivility and personal attacks, I have explained why, and I have given you a nice polite way of asking the question you want. ]''' » ]] 22:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::::Still, you keep provocating me with the false labeling. Actually, your visits were after your unilateral and provocative redaction. That is not a right communication. As I keep saying that ''the analysis'' is far from your accusation of incivility and personal attacks. Constantly attacking me is clearly inappropriateness in your part. I don't want you as the meditator for this. Meditation should be based on mutual trust and civility.--] 22:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Article | Woo Jang-choon |
| Status | closed |
| Request date | 00:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC) |
| Requesting party | Unknown |
| Parties involved | Caspian blue and Bukubku |
| Mediator(s) | Xavexgoem (talk) |
| Comment | no discussion for a bit |
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Hi. I have opened this case. 23:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC) A few ground rules:
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I've collapsed the above, since Roux had a different style of mediation than mine. However, his ground rules are quite good so I suggest you sign it anyway. That said, I do not reserve the right and will not edit other folks' comments (esp. since I'm moving this to talk) Xavexgoem (talk) 16:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
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Discussion
- I have a question before signing my name and proceeding the meditation. The reason for the meditation is still very obscure to me and is not stated by Bukubku (talk · contribs) so far. Clearly, the process is initiated by Durova, not Bukubku. Bukubku has refused to address his concern for alleged unreferenced "racist contents" to the pertinent talk page. Nobody at WT:JA agreed with the stance of Bukubku that I inserted "racist contents". After I opened a discussion and provided in-line sources, the user was very quite for 5 days unlike his demand. Since I provided inline sources that Bukubku demanded, he did not reject any of my sources. So what else should we have to do for the article? Tell me, Bukubku.--Caspian blue 19:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
- Caspian, I'm sorry. Now I'm busy. Rough guy appeared the page Woo Jang-choon, so discuss about your source here with third person.--Bukubku (talk) 05:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- You must be kidding. The meditation is what you have wanted, and you have accused me of rejecting your offer for meditation to ANI and everywhere. And this is open by Durova, not you. You did not even say anything about "what we should do with the meditation". I've waited your answer for over 10 days. There is no 3rd person because none knows what we do as long as you don't say. Do not make me waste my time waiting for you further. You did not even say your claim at the talk page of Woo Jang-choon unlike me. You were very busy to falsely accuse me to ANI to look me bad (and nobody agreed you), and you've been busy for over 10 days? If you do not say anything here, you're clearly gaming rule and you're the one who has rejected this Meditation. I would state this meditation would not be proceeded because of your constant refusal to clarify your position.--Caspian blue 16:26, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
← May I ask what position needs to be clarified? I'm still a little new to this dispute :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
- My reply is there.(Talk:Woo Jang-choon#medcab)--Bukubku (talk) 14:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)