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| == American or Canadian?? == | |||
| Note: This article has been stable at "Orange (colour)" for a long time. | |||
| Recently, somebody performed a move (a bad one - copy and paste, without talk page history) and Americanized the article. Don't do that! It's a no no. Moves need a good reason and need to be discussed. Misplaced Pages accepts both Commonwealth and U.S. English. ] 13:00, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The UK spelling of colour (instead of US "color") is used throughout this page whereas ] uses the US spelling. | |||
| Which is correct or are both allowed? | |||
| --] 13:52, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :Obviously neither is "correct", and it is not possible to impose one standard because wikipedians are from all countries. We usually try to have a consistent spelling within each article. ] 14:04, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC) | |||
| Ouch, I fell for the numbers someone left here (255, 83, 0) , hmph, I have to be more careful. It's getting late though, I'll leave it till tomorrow, the color *is* orangish at least. ] 23:01, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC) | |||
| The colour of the orange block on the page is actually (255, 165, 0) which looks like a much better orange. --] 14:57, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC) | |||
| "Color" is the American spelling of the word; "colour" is the Canadian spelling. In deciding which spelling to use, how is it decided?? ] 23:30, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :As pointed out elsewhere in this page, either American and British spelling is correct, and both usages are ok. However, it's preferred to be consistent in an article. Whenever I find an article that uses words like colo(u)r inconsistent, I run a little Perl script that fetches the page and tallies the use of American vs British spelling - I then change the minority to adjust to the majority. In case of a tie, I change to British spelling. ] 23:38, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| *Well, the United States has about 9 times asn many people as Canada, so I think that American spellings should be better. | |||
| **<whisper><small>''But it's not only Canada that spells it that way...''</small></whisper> ] | |||
| ***<whisper><small>''Yes, I know that; it is also ], which has even fewer people, only about 1/15 the population of the United States.''</small></whisper> ] 00:08, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) | |||
| **India, with a population of over a billion people, about 3.5 times as many as the US, has English as one of its official languages. They use 'colour' as well. Of course, number of inhabitants doesn't play a role. Please read ]. ] 08:55, Apr 29, 2004 (UTC) | |||
| **silly fools wasting their time to type that extra 'u'...how pitiful! --]] 09:32, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) | |||
| **Ridiculous Yanks, omitting the letter that defines its correct pronunciation...quite laughable! ] 18:58, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ***Yankees aren't the only ones who omit the ''u'', Southerners and Westerners omit it as well (note: anyone visitting the southern or western US would be well advised, for the sake of one's continued health, not to refer to the locals as 'Yanks'). Additionally, the reason Americans are often annoyed by the ''colour'' spelling is that to American eyes, it suggests a wildly different pronunciation (kuh-lou-r, with 'lou' sounding like the Brittish colloquial name for a toilet, or to rhyme with 'you', followed by a ] 'r'). And let's be honest, if any of us spelled the word the way it were pronounced, we'd all be spelling it something like 'kuller'. --] 08:14, August 20, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| : Annoyed? Prefer your language? So do I. Create a redirect. Problem solved. — ]]]] 10:42, 2005 August 20 (UTC) | |||
| ::I didn't say ''I'' was annoyed by it. I used to be, but I got used to it. Most eventually do. I was merely attempting to explain the reason, or part of the reason, why it may be bothersome to some Americans; it might take a while to desensatize oneself to a spelling that at first glance seems to suggest an awkward pronunciation. The redirect is just an all-around good idea for words that have different spellings, whether said different spellings are the result of dialectical differences or not. --] 00:18, August 21, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == entomology? <not even sure if I spelled that right> == | |||
| Where did the name of the color come from? Do we know? | |||
| --] 19:59, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :You're looking for ], the study of words' origins; ] is the study of ]s. HTH, ] ]]] 20:01, 2004 Aug 10 (UTC) | |||
| Old French ''orenge'' entered Middle English as ''orange'' in the 13th century. The Old French is believed to have come, by an indirect route, from Arabic ''naranj'', which is from a Persian, Sanskrit or Hindi word. Wild oranges originally came from northern India. The initial ''n'' in ''naranj'' was probably lost by absorption into the indefinite article in one of the Romance languages such as Italian (where it was originally ''una narancia''). -- ] 20:38, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Complementary color == | |||
| By the traditional definition of a ] (see the information on painting) Orange is the complement of Blue. Unfortunately there is no wikipedia ] article as of right now, but there are some good websites on the traditional color wheel (try http://www.saumag.edu/art/studio/chalkboard/c-wheel.html and http://hort.ifas.ufl.edu/TEACH/floral/color.htm ) where you can see what our complementary color article is talking about. -- ] 14:29, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :By all means let's have a traditional ], but for balance we should also have a modern colour wheel () showing the more accurate colours now used in printing and computer graphics. -- ] 14:53, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
| :I just created a ] article; although it is a stub. If you know of anything to put in it, feel free to update it. ] 23:02, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == Bad News == | |||
| A while ago, someone created articles that are meant to be for the color that point to the fruit. (That is, they are links to ]. This is ridiculous! Can we have any comments about moving this article to ]?? Two important notes about this move are: | |||
| # The article of ] will '''not''' change, and | |||
| # The dis-ambiguation page can be named ] | |||
| Anything that can become more difficult this way?? Please explain. ] 01:01, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC) | |||
| == How come International Orange doesn't look orange? == | |||
| Maybe it's just me, but for the life of me I can't see a smidgen of yellow in "international orange". If anyone asks me the color of the Golden Gate Bridge I will place my hand on my heart and say "it's red, Your Honor!" ] 19:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ==Requested move: June 2005== | |||
| ] to ] --]<sup>] 00:04, 21 Jun 2005 (CDT)</sup> | |||
| '''''Voting closed''''' | |||
| * '''Oppose'''. National spellings, and primary Author. ] 16:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Oppose'''. With kudos to PBS for bureaucratizing an improperly formatted request he doesn't agree with. ] 16:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Strongly oppose'''. Moving it would be saying to the original author that his choice of spelling is wrong, and would lead to the kind of fight that followed when ] was moved to Yoghurt. ] 01:19, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' as per Philip. ] 03:03, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' --] 03:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *<del>'''Oppose'''. No reason given for proposed move. — ] ] 07:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)</del> Withdrawing vote in light of comments below. — ] ] 03:13, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''', given that the original author chose "colour". ] ] 10:18, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| * '''Oppose''' ''—] ] <small>2005-06-23 16:57 Z</small>'' | |||
| *'''Support''', to agree with spelling of ] article, and because others are misapplying first major contributor (not a stub) rule—see further discussion below. ] 17:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Support''', for consistency in all other ] articles, including the infobox. ] 12:08, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Support''', for consitency with the article itself, and other color articles--] 15:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose''' The fact that ] uses that spelling is no argument at all.] 11:59, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose'''. I don't see the point of moving it now. Although I tend to use the Webster spelling myself, the other spelling is nearly universal outside the USA, and is just as acceptable. | |||
| *'''STRONGLY oppose''' -- ] ] - ] 4 July 2005 06:16 (UTC) | |||
| *'''STRONGLY support''' -- to agree with the other articles on ], and because ''colour'' looks to suggest an awkward pronunciation (think of the name ''Lou'', or the word ''you''). --] 08:25, August 20, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Oppose'''. Let's move all the other colors to colour instead. ] | |||
| --]|] 28 June 2005 11:33 (UTC) | |||
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| '''For details on why the title of this page uses the ] spelling of "colour" instead of the ] spelling of "color", please review ] and these discussions:''' | |||
| * Split: "Orange" → "Orange (color)", August 2002: Used "colour" before the split. | |||
| * Move: "Orange (color)" → "Orange (colour)", March 2004: Accepted. | |||
| * Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange (color)", June 2005: Opposed. | |||
| * Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange (color)", October 2005: Opposed. | |||
| * Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange (color)", April 2006: Opposed. | |||
| * Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange", April 2006: Opposed. | |||
| * Move: "Orange (colour)" → "Orange_(color)", November 2007. US English spelling of "color": Opposed | |||
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| {{British-English}} | |||
| == Colour vs. color in title == | |||
| Shouldn’t “colour” be changed to “color” in the title to be consistent with other titles such as ] and ] (which used to be titled colour). ] (]) 08:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ===Discussion=== | |||
| :'''''NO''''', because the article was originally created in British English, and ]. --] | ] 11:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
| First version used both spellings While still a stub most of the spellings were changed to "colour". It was made consistently colour throughout on . -- ] 16:47, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *No, see ]. ''']''' (]) 20:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :We could always call it Orange (hue). ;-) ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 04:05, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::That is a sensible alternative. ] 17:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Furthermore, all versions as a stub used both "color" and "colour" spellings. Additions by the "first major contributor (that is, not a stub) to the article", which is the applicable ] used the color spelling. In addition, that first major contributor (not a stub) is a last-resort rule. A sensible rule would not be a last resort but rather something that always applies, but what it would give to the first major contributor is the placing of the burden of proof on those seeking a change to get consensus for it, but that isn't the way the guidelines are currently written. As it is now, that first major contributor rule only applies "if all else fails". ] 17:33, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| Other color articles which are not named with just the color name itself include these, just a sampling: | |||
| *] | |||
| *] | |||
| *] | |||
| *] | |||
| Then there are articles like these: | |||
| *] | |||
| *] | |||
| *] | |||
| *]<br> | |||
| A rare exception is ]. | |||
| ] 12:33, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :and ], fot UK universities. ] 15:23, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC) | |||
| Most of Misplaced Pages already uses American spelling so there's a good case for having things evened out a bit. In any case, its been ''colour'' for a while, so leave it alone - and while we're on it; someone changed ] to color with no discussion whatsoever, even though the original author ] used ''colour''. ] 11:59, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :No, Zundark created a stub under ] (which probably never has had either color or colour in its title; it doesn't now, in any case), using the word once with the "colour" spelling. That is not the what the guidelines say. The standard is "first major contributor (that is, not a stub) to the article". But when I look at the history, it also shows "earlier" edits with a later date. There must also be a later time when some meanings were moved to a disambiguation page. | |||
| :Of course, those of us familiar with American spelling often think that most of Misplaced Pages uses some other spelling. What any of us notice most is the unfamiliar, not the familiar. ] 16:21, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::A couple of points; unfortunately I've introduced the spelling within the text into this debate - my mistake. Green has always been titled just that. However, my second point is about the text - and yes I know we should be talking ''orange'' here but - ] never was a stub. The article has just grown from a reasonably substantial beginning by Zundark in Oct 2001. Five months later ] took it upon himself to change ''colour'' to ''color'' while adding a few extra bits of information. Yerrick is not the first substantial contributor. He changed it because presumably he preferred ''color''. I go back to my original point: ] started off as ''colour'' and it was changed at some arbitrary point just out of preference; it should not have been. I am quite happy to stick with originals. See my edits at ]. I have not changed this to ''colour'' in the text or the title even though I prefer the British English spelling. Most colour articles use the ''color'' variant. Give us a break! Leave just a few with British English, including ] and ]. Now I'm off to check ] to see if someone's doctored that as well. ] 16:42, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| ::No - not yet! ] 16:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :::Zundark's ] was a stub. Only four sentences, a color swatch, plus five items in a usage or disambiguation list of word combinations. 134.132.115.xxx added the "color" spelling in describing one of the word combinations, when it was still a stub. Damian Yerrick may have been the first major contributor, but it was still pretty flimsy; until then it remained a list of a few terms containing green with only a little about the color itself. When Yerrick edited it, he did not "change" anything, but made consistent an article with two "colour" spellings and three "color" spellings before those edits, and six "color" spellings afterwards . ] 18:20, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :I do not really care if it's color or colour, as long as it is used consistently in all colo(u)r articles. The thing is; apart from regional differences, in general I do not hear the difference in pronunciation of color and colour (and harbor and harbour etc), so why use the redundant letter 'u' at all? ] June 28, 2005 11:10 (UTC) | |||
| The thing is every other color article uses the American spelling. We might as well be uniform. --] 14:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Well almost all of them. I wonder why? It turns out that ], ] and ] all started off as ''colour''. ], ] and ] started as ''color'' and I haven't bothered checking all the others; no doubt someone will. None of the ones I've checked were tagged as stubs and they commenced with a reasonable amount of text. I wonder whether I might change the whole lot, and ] and everything else associated with this subject, to ''colour''. Any comments? ] 16:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == CIELAB == | |||
| ::As was pointed out above, the first version of this article used both spellings. I see "color" twice and "colour" once in the three sentences (clearly a stub) in the earliest entry in the history of this article, and the "history" special page doesn't show us what the title was at the time. The earliest version, however, is the one which appears in the history of the ] page, from which this article was split out, going back to 15 Dec 2001, and using "color" once (linked, so even assuming piping to other spelling was available then, the editor may not have been aware of how to do it) and "colour" twice. | |||
| Please correct: L*=67.3; C*=85.4; h<sub>ab</sub>= 60.3° ] (]) 15:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::Whether or not an article is "tagged" as a ] is mostly irrelevant to the question of whether or not it '''is''' a stub. Especially in that time frame, before all the categorized stubs were in use, before many of the tools for identifying possible stubs were in use, and before a concerted effort to identify them had been made. Especially since the history page for that ] article only goes back to 5 Oct 2002, after the first entries related to the color orange. But in any case, many stubs even now exist for a considerable length of time without being tagged as a stub, and many articles retain the stub tag after they are no longer stubs. Of course, there are always gray areas where reasonable people may disagree on whether or not it is a stub in any case. ] 17:51, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == History and Art; carnelians == | |||
| There is no point in moving this article to ] because that article is currently a redirect to this article! If it is moved, all you'll be doing is switching them round.... - ]|] 9 July 2005 03:48 (UTC) | |||
| Second sentence in the History and art section:"Orange carnelians were significantly used during the Indus Valley civilization which was, in turn, obtained by the people from Kutch, Gujarat." I don't know what the writer is trying to say here, exactly, but I'm fairly certain that the Indus Valley civilisation was not obtained from Gujarat. Maybe the badly mangled intent was to say "Orange carnelians, used notably in the Indus Valley civilization, were obtained from Kutch, Gujarat." If I were certain, I would have done that edit, but I leave it to someone more knowledgeable; at any rate some sort of fix is required. ] (]) 03:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)JustSomeWikiReader | |||
| ===Decision=== | |||
| ''It was ] that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved.'' ] ] 10:14, 10 July 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Consistency of tertiary colour wiki pages == | |||
| ==Idduno about the rest of the world...== | |||
| the web colour for orange is a shade of orange, and not representitive of orange as it appears on the colour wheel. The wikipedia pages for other tertiary colors are not altered to be their web colour hex codes, so it is inconsistent to do so only with orange. ] (]) 22:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I americanized all spellings. Come on guys, its common sense. Idduno about the rest of the world, but we americans do things democratically. By far, the number of wikipedians on here are american. Also, the majority of english speakers around the world speak correct American english. SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! | |||
| :Stop evading your block, for one thing. ]] 22:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I just changed them back. While I personally use American spellings, there is no good way to decide on which style of spelling to use. Therefore, on Misplaced Pages, the following method is used: if the article is about a topic that is clearly American or clearly British (or clearly Australian, and so on), like ], that spelling is used. In the absence of such an affiliation, the style in which the first major contributor wrote is followed. Neither American nor British English is "correct"; both have evolved considerably from their ancient roots. — ] ] 04:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC) | |||
| == Disputed == | |||
| :User 132.198.250.179 - I hope you are not representative of your fellow Americans. If you are, it's no wonder that anti-Americanism is growing across the world. As knowledge-seeker pointed out, we should adopt the spelling preference of the first major contributor, but it's not always easy to identify such a contributor. Having looked through all the colour articles it seems to me that in addition to Orange, ] and ] should use British English, or at least should using the 'u' spelling for colour (the first major contributor might have been NZ or something). I propose to change these, if only to achieve a degree of balance in the articles as a whole. ] 16:22, 22 July 2005 (UTC) | |||
| The section of "Confucianism" is disputed. As a native Chinese speaker，I'm very sure that the colour of orange does take its Chinese name from the orange fruit, not from saffron (see or ). Also, I doubt that the colour of orange had the meaning of transformation or anything in Confucianism, since it was never a ] in China until 20th century (see 258 ''ff.''). In my opinion, ], who was a color psychologist but not a historian, must have read some wrong information about China thus written wrong statements in her book.——] (]) 08:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ==Requested move: October 2005== | |||
| To agree with the spelling of the color article and most of the other articles on colors. (Unsigned comment on ]) | |||
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| :''Add *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>'' | |||
| *'''Support''' To agree with the ] article, as was mentioned above by the person who started the requested move. ] 17:36, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Strongly Oppose and Invalid Listing'''' its not 6 months yet, so this is an invalid listing, really. --] 22:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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== "Paganism" == | ||
| Please change the line saying "in Paganism" to "in Wicca", as per the source of that line. The claim that the colour orange has the same meaning across all of pagan religions, or that "paganism" is some cohesive whole, is quite ridiculous. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :''Add any additional comments'' | |||
| '''Comment:''' Again, already? ] 00:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| :Let's not. There haven't even been six months since the last round. I'll remove this from here and ] later today unless someone objects. - ] 11:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
| *Support removal not even six months yet. ] 22:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
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Colour vs. color in title
Shouldn’t “colour” be changed to “color” in the title to be consistent with other titles such as Violet (color) and Color (which used to be titled colour). Tinton5 (talk) 08:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- NO, because the article was originally created in British English, and by Misplaced Pages policy articles are supposed to remain in the variant in which they were started. --Orange Mike | Talk 11:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- No, see WP:CONSISTENT. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
CIELAB
Please correct: L*=67.3; C*=85.4; hab= 60.3° ZJ (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
History and Art; carnelians
Second sentence in the History and art section:"Orange carnelians were significantly used during the Indus Valley civilization which was, in turn, obtained by the people from Kutch, Gujarat." I don't know what the writer is trying to say here, exactly, but I'm fairly certain that the Indus Valley civilisation was not obtained from Gujarat. Maybe the badly mangled intent was to say "Orange carnelians, used notably in the Indus Valley civilization, were obtained from Kutch, Gujarat." If I were certain, I would have done that edit, but I leave it to someone more knowledgeable; at any rate some sort of fix is required. 2001:56A:F0E9:9B00:7D0B:BB63:D6EF:3F73 (talk) 03:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)JustSomeWikiReader
Consistency of tertiary colour wiki pages
the web colour for orange is a shade of orange, and not representitive of orange as it appears on the colour wheel. The wikipedia pages for other tertiary colors are not altered to be their web colour hex codes, so it is inconsistent to do so only with orange. Iţðript (talk) 22:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- Stop evading your block, for one thing. Remsense诉 22:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Disputed
The section of "Confucianism" is disputed. As a native Chinese speaker，I'm very sure that the colour of orange does take its Chinese name from the orange fruit, not from saffron (see wiktionary or MCCD). Also, I doubt that the colour of orange had the meaning of transformation or anything in Confucianism, since it was never a basic colour in China until 20th century (see 赵晓驰 258 ff.). In my opinion, Eva Heller, who was a color psychologist but not a historian, must have read some wrong information about China thus written wrong statements in her book.——三猎 (talk) 08:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
"Paganism"
Please change the line saying "in Paganism" to "in Wicca", as per the source of that line. The claim that the colour orange has the same meaning across all of pagan religions, or that "paganism" is some cohesive whole, is quite ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.232.108.89 (talk) 20:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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